Tombed is a dungeon-style game from 1 to 5 players. One is a Pharaoh, while the others play as one of the adventurers.
by Alberto Puertas
¿En serio que este juego solo tiene un prototipo? ¿cómo vendéis la idea de juego realizado? ¿es una broma? y luego, aunque los autores se porten mal, no se hasta que punto vuestra pseudo-editorial ha arriesgado algo!!! vendéis la moto que nadie se ha interesado por ese "juego" (está por ver si es de verdad un juego) y que vosotros, en un impulso de sacrificio, altruismo y de buenas personas os habéis compadecido y ARRIESGADO a sacarlo, y para eso montáis una mala campaña en Kickstarter. CUANTO RIESGO!!! ¿habéis pagado algo? ¿o solo sois la típica editorial pequeñita y sangijuela que quiere hacer de intermediario? (queriendo cobrar a precio de oro todo minuto de tiempo mal invertido y mal dedicado) todo esto es muy penoso.
@Jesús Cañada, cancela el proyecto y haz las cosas bien. Suelta la bolsa y casa en tu actitud de españoLISTO, te estás enterrando por 4 duros a ti y a tus 4dados
You know that you can't opt out the last 48 hours in case that would result in the funding level decreasing beneath the initial goal? A project that is funded at that point can't get unfunded anymore.
Great idea ruined by poor business. I'm out.
I’ve read comments from both sides of the argument now, and while I don’t want to point any fingers, I also don’t feel comfortable continuing to back this project. In looking into this, I’ve also come across some reviews of previous campaigns that were successfully funded, but never delivered the product. Since Kickstarter is not a store and cannot force a company to uphold its end of the bargain, I don’t feel comfortable investing when there’s this much legal drama - particularly when this conflict could potentially halt production of the game. So regardless of how well-intentioned both companies might be, I’m going to back out, hope others do the same, and wait for the creator to re-launch somewhere down the road. I’m a firm believer that the rights to intellectual property should remain with the creator, so if I had to choose sides, that’s where I’d fall...
I too am out. This campaign has been an absolute mess from the beginning, but I have stuck by it to see it through because I believed in the game, and I REAAALLLYY wanted a great Egyptian styled game. In fact, I was about to start designing one extremely similar to this one just a few weeks prior to this launching. I am not sure the specifics of what happened behind the scenes, and quite frankly I do not care at this point, but I do know that how the campaign itself was run was a disaster. Seeing everything I have, I cannot say that I will ever back another game from 4Dados in the future. I wish you all the best, but you need to get your heads out from where the sun don't shine. You need to know when to call it quits. When most of your backers are saying one thing, and you are still trying to go the other direction, maybe you should take a look in the mirror, listen to whatever the words are that Deep Pit Games was supposedly slandering you with, and maybe contemplate if they were actually right. They wanted to cancel because they saw how poorly the campaign was run. They wanted to cancel because the campaign was losing backers left and right due to issues stemming from how the campaign itself was run. They wanted to cancel because a lot of their backers were telling them to take a step back, recalibrate, and try again once all their ducks were in a row to put out a successful campaign. You should have listened.
The campaign was bad, and it was not the authors' fault, so whatever the problem is between you and them, you have the biggest responsability in the failure anyway.
ok, I'm out. You're completely crazy.....
I will be watching this carefully, with 100% intention to cancel my pledge on the last day if the creators and the publisher do not make up. I am definitely not backing something with possible legal drama on the horizon.
I've been burned before by Kickstarters which have crashed. Learned my lesson. I am perfectly happy to bail out if need be.
@ebon good points but ill stay :)
Wow, this is really unfortunate. I love the look and feel of this game, I want it badly. 4Dados appears to be a legit game company. However, this drama with the creator vs the publisher is intolerable. Jesus and 4Dados, you need to stop. Your insistence on pushing this forward is destructive and removes any remaining confidence in this project. Backers are bailing at an incredible rate, and they should. You have nothing left to push forward on. You may not want to cancel this campaign but you have to, you're bleeding out. Cutting ties with the creators and claiming you can finish and support the game without them is a death sentence, that has never gone well for companies, and it just creates bad blood. Legal battles are terrible for an intellectual property. You claim slander on the part of the creators, but I for one don't see that. Their statements line up with your actions in this campaign and indicate you are in fact negligent and unreliable at this time. I wanted to believe because this was your first kickstarter, and there was language disparity, that the rough edges were something we could work past. Now however I don't have that faith, because you don't have stability with the creators. You're not even able to answer questions to the backers now, just say they are good questions. You're not prepared for this in any way, and you need to resolve this issue with the creators, not try to seize the property and run with it yourselves.
I very much hope most backers see this as a volatile situation that is not worth the risk, and a product that will fail its full potential in the current conflict. I hope the backing drops below the funding level, and the campaign fails if 4Dados stubbornly continues to not cancel it. I hope one day this legal battle is resolved, and the creators can partner with a compatible publisher and we'll see the product we all wanted. Until then, I'm sad to say this will be the first time I cancel a pledge, but it's one of the few times it's entirely warranted. The fact is that now, if this funded, we may never get the game because of a legal dispute and the associated fees. You can claim otherwise, but again, confidence is zero at this point.
Eventually, this is getting a bit too shady and dubious for me.
Would have been better to relaunch in a few weeks or months with the new constellation, but with open cases going on, I feel my pledge at risk.
And here comes the final nail of your coffin...