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Hi, anything new here? Are the stoves produced and sold in Kenya?
Opps nevermind! See it! Thx
Hey! Got it and looks great. Cant wait to try out this weekend. One thing...i didnt get a manual :( can you email to me? Please let me know. Looks like you had some tips in the manual.
I wish you all the best luck. Wow them all with your stove and may they thank you many times over with their future lives and the lives of their children as they embark on a new path in their future. A future full of breaths of fresh air and less sickness.
Can't wait :)
You mentioned that the designs for the big stove would be going up on your website? I would really like to have a go at making one of the big stoves :) also can't wait to get out with the mini stove XD
Never been more please for a project to be funded. Well done and congratulations to Payan and Erin - now your real work begins :o)
Great project - I've been interested stove designs for some time as they address a range of important issues. I tried to design a similar stove (but made from food aid tins) years ago when I was studying product design and realized that there were already a lot of great designs out the but the real issue seems to be the adoption rate - so it's really good to see a locally manufactured and cost competitive design, hope it all works out really well.
Oh and you probably already know about it but if not you should read up a bit about Biochar - there is also a BBC doco about it called "The Secret of El Dorado" which is worth watching.
Thanks for the inquiry. The Backpacker stove is free shipping in the US and $32 to Canada, so it is a total of $132 to Canada. We mention shipping charges to Europe and the US for the different pledge levels at the bottom of the Kenya Stove home page where the rewards are described in more detail. For countries other than Europe and the US, we've had to respond to individual requests (too many countries out there!).
So the shipping for Canada is $32.00 and to be shipped by USPS? Is that fee included in the $100.00 pledge for the Backpacker stove or does it need to be added on for a total of $132.00? Why is their no mention of shipping charges in any of the pledge levels?
Thanks so much everyone for the fantastic support! We're really looking forward to getting out your rewards and getting started in Kenya!
WOOT! so happy, I can't wait to start cooking on the mini stove : )
I'm so proud - and not at all surprised! - that this wonderful project has been fully funded. Congratulations, Payan and Erin! This is really good work, and it's going to be such an important tool.
Will the starter kit include a basic set of matches? :)
Thank you for the quick answer, and congratulations for passing your initial goal! :) Let's hope this last week gives you plenty of resources to make your life-saving project a success!
Hi Chenille, Shipping to Canada costs
Backpacker stove: $32
I have a question : Which shipping are you elligible when you are from Canada. Do you pay for the european?
Fantastic news that you have hit the target. All the very best with this project.
Love the opportunity to help others instead of just buying a product for ourselves. I wish I could afford the cutting board too, it looks so pretty, but the shipping and import tax will be too much for me.
But, I've done the most important thing; give a bit of money to a great project!
Thanks for the inquires. With my background in design, I believe that good design entails maximizing both function and simplicity (and aesthetics). Our backpacker stove is epitomizes both. Most other wood stoves out there don't tell you how much fuel it takes to boil X amount of water, nor the time to do so. You can find that info on our main Kickstarter page for our backpacker stove. Other stoves on the market have more pieces, air holes, assembly, etc. Ours is simple. But our time to boil 0.5 liters (6 mins, 4 mins with a chimney accessory we may offer soon) is hard to beat without a fan-equipped stove, and even with the fan I don't believe the it's worth the hassle, assuming it's better.
I don't think our Kenya Stove will be available on the website after our Kickstarter, we won't have the capacity to produce it in the US once we're in Kenya. But we'll be posting the open source plans for it soon, so you could always have a go yourself, or get one now while you can :)
Will the actual Kenya stove (full size) be available on your website after the kickstarter begins?
How does your backpacker stove comare with others on the market?
We will be offering the backpacking stove on our www.kenyastove.com website post-kickstarter. Thanks for the inquiry!
Do you plan on offering the backpacking stove on your website down the road, or is it a Kickstarter only product?
SO CLOSE! I'm sure the final week will be fruitful. Good luck payan and erin
Fantastic project! If you need some support in Kenya right now, my friend Alexandra is in Kenya and just stopped working in a non-profit monkey center. She is still in Kenya and looking for some other volunteer work! Good luck to you guys and if you are in Amsterdam, gimme a shout :)!
Good luck Erin, Panyan. I hope you make your target. Here's a rocket stove I designed, only works when there are sticks/twigs available - I like they way yours can use multiple fuels types like wood chips or pellets
Thank you for asking, Winston! The backpacking stove weighs 600 grams (1.3 pounds) and is 6.125" W x 5" H.
How much does the Backpacking stove weigh and what are the dimensions of it?
First off thank you for doing this. My friends at work and I were just talking about this very problem in developing countries. I have been surfing the net looking at rocket stoves next step is to build one. I like the idea of being able to control the intake air so you can simmer foods. Keep up the good work, I am in Portland and if you need help let me know.
ahh cool! I might have a go at making one of the full size when the plans come out : )
I'll also post the plans on our blog www.kenyastove.com. Anyone, feel free to email with questions if you'll be trying your hand at building one.
We'll be posting the design soon, so look for that and have a go at it. I've actually done a lot of design work for plancha stoves in Guatemala! Keep in touch and let me know if you have any questions as you get started.
Why on Facebook only. Whats about those not having a 'so-called social' account?
This looks like a good design. I would like to see if I can build one to test, then possibly implement them in a project in Guatemala.
Toward the end of the Kickstarter I'll post the plans for the the full size Kenya Stove on Facebook, maybe you can make your own!
hmm its a shame it would be so much to get/send the full size Kenya Stove the more a watch the kickstarter vid the more I would like one XD
Thanks for the speedy reply to my question : )
I am now a happy backer for a Mini Stove XD
I got a great question on how ethanol compares to wood that I'd like to share with you all. Here is my answer:
Ethanol is great from the perspective of the user, but as you may know from the ongoing discussion in the US there is a problem with Ethanol in terms of its environmental footprint. Essentially, the process of converting biomass to ethanol is not nearly as efficient as just burning the biomass directly. And if you can burn the biomass cleanly with stoves like this, not only will the environmental footprint be smaller, but the fuel will be cheaper since there is minimal processing involved.
The new Bungoma ethanol project in Kenya will be using sugarbeets as the feedstock to produce ethanol. They aim to blend the ethanol with gasoline. Two things with this picture are not great for Kenyans. First is the use of much-needed agricultural land and other resources that could be used to grow food being used to fuel cars. Second, the price of Ethanol (comparable to gasoline) is too high for people to afford for cooking. The price reflects the growing, processing, and energy used to produce the ethanol itself. Here's a rough energy comparison:
Energy: wood is 8000 BTU/lb, and ethanol is 11500 BTU/lb.
The price of wood chips is about $30/ton which equals $0.015 per lb
The price of ethanol is $2.50 per gallon, and at 6.6 lbs/gallon, that equals $0.38 per lb
So per unit energy, ethanol is 17 times more expensive than wood.
It's interesting that wood has a stigma as being an inelegant source of fuel. I think that modern clean burning wood-gas technology will start to change this image. There will never be anything more efficient than burning unprocessed fuel (i.e. wood). Assuming that the wood can be sourced with minimal (or even positive) environmental impact, I think there is a strong argument that we should all be using wood for at least some of our energy needs, particularly for heating homes and cooking where the overall efficiency is fantastic.
I would like to see you cook something in a pot on the mini stove. Maybe you could make soup on it? Im curious as to how the mini stove could hold a full pot.
Good luck with your project. It is really heart-warming to see a project that is about benefitting others on Kickstarter. I've made a pledge and will be encouraging others to do likewise.
All the very best,
Just throwing some more 'crazy' ideas at you. I realise you're looking at more grass-roots level of deployment, but some crazy ideas might push along other opportunities.
Taking on board your comments on not every cooking style fits a stove and the other way round. I thought about the top half modular design of the current stove and thought that you could design a different top for different purposes.
Maybe another design has two openings, one bigger than the other to provide varied heat/flame levels (eg. Cooking side, and warming side).
Switching cooking requirements would be as simple as choosing the 'top' for the purpose. In the bigger scheme of things, you can perfect the fire (base) design and then also introduce future updates to the top?
Another design, might have the main cooking/fire opening, but also an outward directing vent for warm air to point at clothes (drying) or people warmth.
You could even talk to these guys - http://kck.st/JRkBBM - about how to integrate their device into your stove to generate power recharging for phones or lighting, etc.
Looking forward to the drawn plans. Thanks.
Thanks again everyone for all of the support! Our first five days have been fantastic, thanks to all of you!
Erin & Payan
I'll video the camping stove in action and post it as soon as I get a chance in the next day or two. It's definitely strong enough to handle a 12" cast iron pan. Any requests as to what you want to see cooked!?
Thanks for all of the thoughts Mark S! As discussed we'll be sending you plans for the Kenya Stove. One of the most important aspects of stove design (besides designing an efficient stove) is designing a stove that works for the types of food being cooked, cooking styles, cooking preferences etc. For these reason, there will never be one stove that works for everyone in the world. This makes the design process especially interesting. When we're in Kenya we'll work further to optimize the stove, considering all aspects particular to local cooking practices, e.g. fuel loads, cooking temperatures & times, etc. The idea of a fuel chute is one we have considered, and it may be an option. There are a lot of technical details involved which I'd be happy to discuss more with you. Keep in touch and let us know what you think via the blog as the project starts up!
Can we get a video of the Mini Stove in action? I would love to see how well it can handle a pot or pan. It would also be nice to be able to see how small the mini stove actually is.
Had another thought on the "end user" using the stove. Perhaps you could integrate some method of allowing the cook to 'warm' (slow cook) some food. I notice on the open fire images (and from my own camping experiences), it is often convenient to place some items near/aside the fire and the main cooking pot, for keeping warm or slow cooking. This is somewhat lost with this stove. Perhaps the K-Stove could have a side rack/hook/bracket on outside (top section of stove), where another pot or item could be placed. If you used the fuel feeder tube-slot (see my last comment), you could take out the feeder tube blocker, and the fire/heat would escape out this side tube, as well as maintain the main central heat (with some loss of heat). Perhaps using a cleverly design tube piece, you might pull out the tube half way (or variable distance) to create different air hole sizes, allowing differing heat through to the secondary plate/pot rack above it?
Great project! I am in Australia, and don't expect you to ship over the reward, but thought if you could send plans of how to build the back-packing stove it would be helpful.
I wondered on the practicality of the split top half needing to be shifted to add extra fuel to the bottom section during cooking? With a pot on top and the hot top section it might be a bit tricky to move around. Would it work to include a chute in the side, that could seal well and still be pulled open to allow some pellets to be dropped in? The closing action (eg. reinserting the tube) would send the fuel into the bottom section? I imagine it would need to be fairly air tight to not create an escape chute for the fire/heat?
Maybe also some way to easily line up the top section, when placing on fire, so you don't need to align by hand between two sections (to minimize danger of heat/burns). It could be some simple dimples in the top plate of fire piece (bottom half), with feet in top section - to sit in and 'lock' the unit on top? The feet would also allow placing top section of stove on ground and minimize heat issues with the whole unit being at rest on surface. As feet would be within the cooler underneath section, it should be cool enough to rest on without issues?
It is great to see you guys trying to tackle a hard and very ingrained problem. I really hope that the lessons learned here can be transferred to other countries as well, especially really poor ones in the Sagreb areas.
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Keep the enthusiasm up!
Thanks Benjamin, you can now see photos and additional rewards information at the bottom of our Kickstarter page.