by Pebble Technology
No probs Greg ! I mean Justin !!!
oops - Graeme, not Greame ;-)
Agree Greame - it would be great to hear that PV went well, and that they're ready to start making the damn things. Though it would be even more fun in many ways if the watches just turned up in the mail one day.
I bought a Pebble really as a bit of fun. But to be honest it's been worth at least some of the money just to find out about how you actually get a project like this off the ground. I wouldn't have known where to start. It's a shame more of the people moaning haven't seen the value in finding out about the process whereby we'll get our products.
Looking forward to tomorrows update, assuming the Pebble team are back from Holiday !!
What are the general thoughts on what to expect ? What you would like to see ??
My guess would be that if everything went ok with PV then we will finally get the announcement everyone has been waiting for. i,e Mass production with a view to shipping.
Hopefully we will get another video showing some of the OS features and fingers crossed some feedback from the hackers.
I dont know whats more annoying, the SOLK talk or the Haiku BS.
I thought this forum was for discussion regarding Pebble. but seen as its the holiday season. Here my contribution.
SOLK/ Haiku, all BS too me
Digress no more
Relevent comments resume
Sorry you feel that way Richard. Especially as I've just finished another one which I hoped would restore some gravity to this frivolous thread:
Seeds cast to soil's care
Man waits on nature's bounty
Shoots die in cold wind
If, as I suspect, you are just trying to increase your ROI, I can suggest an alternative SOLK formula that is a function of the square of AH-AHC that reflects the reward that can be gained from helpful and positive contribution. Alternatively - try being nice and you will find that a warm feeling of smug self-satisfaction is reward enough.
Thanks Donald. Thought I'd convert that to a solku for you.
These comments bizarre
Not sublime, that other place
Here, solku away
It's holiday time in Australia, but you probably guessed that.
We got it, but we don't want it in our living room. :p
Chris, good work. Your literacy and numeracy give me hope for this comment thread. I was actually going to start learning another language, Spanish, to stretch myself a bit. Maybe I can do both Spanish and haiku. Spanku?
I digress. While Tom is putting the finishing touches on his solku, here's my unworthy effort:
Solk of no solace
Yet delay the watch, I say.
Haiku beats F U
The participants in the other comment thread don't know what they're missing.
Thanks Peter. That's clearer now. @tom - it's my New Years resolution to write a haiku each day of 2013 so I did this one for you:
Waiting for watches,
Solk formula no solace.
Giving own reward
Sorry it's not very good - it's only my second one ever. If we don't get our watches by the end of the year I should be practiced enough to do a really good one.
Chris, I was looking to give the naysayers more bang for their buck but your SOLK 2.0 is both reasonable and backwards compatible. I understand your desire to increase your SOLK ROI by immediately neutralising your constructive comment; a deft move on your part! Mine is more than high enough already so please consider this post an AHC.
@Peter. Assuming that I agree with your logic that leaving negative comments results in a return on investment, I'm not sure that the formula you suggest best expresses the relationship between negative comment satisfaction and balance of negative comments made. Specifically, how the original pledge can be converted to a valid percentage using your method. I think you need to quantify either a number of comments that would add up to 100% ROI or a value for a single negative comment and change the formula (eg if 1 negative comment were worth $1 ROI then the formula could simply be (AC-AHC)/115). The advantage here would be that value below 2 negative comments would produce a sensible result and therefore people posting a larger or neutral number of positive comments would be able to calculate their loss on the deal more easily.
As I think this would definitely be classed as a constructive addition to this discussion can I counteract that immediately by stating that people with fat arms shouldn't complain about paying more for a strap.
These comment threads are depressing. Either people are upset because they haven't gotten their watch, or people are making fun of the people who are upset because they haven't gotten their watch. Both sides are being unkind, and it sucks. RIGHT next to the "post comment" button it says "Be respectful and considerate." Do that. Do it even if other people aren't.
I pledged $115, I'm glad I chose black from the start, and I'm not angry about the wait. Out of curiousity, are any of the $10,000 backers weighing in on this discussion? I think I might have a bit more to say if my $115 was $10,000.
On an unrelated note, I love all of the interesting app ideas people have come up with (tweeted by Pebble, on the forums, etc.) - personally, I want to make a Roguelike dungeon-crawl game. It'll have to be on rails, I think (meaning the user can only go forward or backward), use auto-attack for combat, and have a very simple set of items, but it will be an interesting programming contraint and a fun challenge to design an interface that works with it.
I'm also very interested in a "dashboard" style watchface, like the Metawatch has shown in its images. Time, Date, Day of Week, Weather, Email/Message/Call count... I switch between wanting a very elegant, very understated display (time only) and wanting every possible piece of data possible on my wrist (see above). Thankfully, switching between those will be effortless (I think).
Just refund my damn money, I'm tired of being treated badly for expressing my opinion, just like everyone else on here.
Fuck you too.
No one promised you anything, if you had been smart enough to know what you were getting into when you ordered, there would be no problem. So please, stop complaining like a toddler.
I will stop complaining when I get my watch as promised. Oh yeah, Fuck you!!!
Tom, $6.05 now.
Seeing as it's the new year, I'll explain my SOLK formula. SOLK stands for Sh!t On Liver for Kickstarter projects. If you don't know what Sh!t on Liver means, Google it.
The formula is this: ROI = 1 - ( P / (AC - AHC)) / 100
ROI is the Backer's Return on Investment
P is Pledge (for which I assume $115 in your case)
AC is All Comments by the Backer (19 by you)
AHC is the Backer's Affirming and Helpful Comments (0 by you, in my opinion)
For the formula to work, it assumes we all make the occasional demanding or unhelpful comment. We are all human.
Let's work it through in your case:
ROI = 1-(115/(19-0))/100
ROI = 93.95%
The more demanding or unhelpful comments from a Backer, the lower the cost per comment (down to $6.05 Tom), the greater the value for money (excluding the watch which you have said isn't going to happen) and the higher the Return on Investment. That means lots of SOLK-ing being done.
Do us all a favour and give it a break, please.
P.S. I acknowledge that my writing this will increase my own ROI but I'd rather have the Pebble so I won't enter into further debate on the SOLK concept.
@Peter, explain please?
Damn my helpfulness!!
Caffeine Junkie, the formula doesn't work when there is an abundance of affirming and helpful comments. Sorry, but you only get the watch..
Hey, I back a project last year and just got the product. I'm not complaining. The product I got was outdated and not usable by me though.
Damn, what's my ROI then?
Down to $6.39 now, Tom.
@Peter Really, what are you talking about??
All I have to say is, consider the source.
Google Translation of the TGBus.com website (http://iphone.tgbus.com/news/class/201212/20121226172410.shtml) dropping the bomb about an Apple smartwatch...
"The Chuan Apple is helping to create the iPhone with smart watches
December 26, 2012 17:24
Source: iPhone Chinese network
I have something to say to (1 people involved)
From the supply chain news that Apple is building a Bluetooth smart watches, responsible for the design by Intel, is expected to be listed in the first half of next year. Supply chain, said Intel is designed for Apple Bluetooth smart watches, this product is RiTdisplay 1.5-inch OLED screen, other aspects of the supply chain, with a rhenium ocean of OGS encore indium tin oxide transparent conductive (ITO) glass.
The news that this product will be used with the iPhone, Listing Date select in the first half of next year. The reason is empty with the community of Apple products in the first half of next year. After the listing of this product in the next year into the global store of Apple.
In fact, the Bluetooth Smart Watch is not a fresh product, and it is a smartphone interconnection products, Sony has launched a similar product, the name for the SmartWatch.
Sony Smart Watch is unable to borrow the watch to answer the call. According to insiders, Apple's smart watches will be able to answer the phone, directly with the iPhone interconnection. Can achieve this instruction because most of the smart phones have voice Assistant function, such as Apple's Siri."
Thank you for the article reference! It was helpful!
Good news and a good article here
Mason, nothing on shipping dates from them yet. Perhaps your reasonable and considered comments and question might elicit something? You'd like to think that the actual shipping process will be the least of the complexities but not so, going by comments I've seen on other kickstarter projects.
Before i start i want to make sure everyone knows i'm not complaining in this post. With that said I have 1 question. It may have already been said and i just missed it. However, is there an estimated shipping date yet? I know the hardships of creating an awesome product (which i still believe this is) So i know you want to get it right. And im thankful for that. I would rather wait and get a finished product then a rushed one with flaws. I'm just extremely excited for this watch and i am curious if it has been stated or not. Thank you!! Cant wait!
Debbie, why should they support American workers? Eric himself is Canadian and there are Pebble backers all over the world including UK, Netherlands, Indonesia and Australia. Where do you think your iPhone/whatever was made?
@Debbie: They still made the exact same amount per watch, their communication has been flawless, and they've never hidden anything and I'm sure would be willing to work with you if you want to pull your pledge. But you won't, so stop bitching.
$6.76 now, Tom. It just gets better.
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@Peter, what the hell are you talking about?
Tom, your 16th contribution to the debate. $7 each is good value for money but undoubtedly you will work hard to improve your ROI. And you might get a bonus watch.
Apple Working With Intel On iWatch – a Bluetooth Smart Watch
says supposed to be out first quarter 2013.. Wonder if pebble with be out before apple's.
The I'm Watch is very nice display and touchscreen, but not enough features IMO. (got one off ebay fairly cheap). Pebble is a different class though. No touch and b/w, but better battery life and better features. Not the wow of the I'm watch or what the Iwatch by apple may be..
Still looking forward to getting my pebble. thanks for updates!
Great update BTW - DV testing looks like it'a making grand progress. I think the next couple of updates will be very significant!
Is there any chance of getting a drop-down list on this comment board. Content should be:
- Moaning about delay
- Kickstarter is not a store
- Other general comments no including the above
This would then enable those people who need to vent/defend to do so, whilst those like me (or maybe it's just me) can just filter out those comments that go over the same old ground.
Greg, you not getting updates is an issue with Kickstarter, not Pebble. I had the same issue and changed my email address to one that would work with Kickstarter as I was more interested in receiving updates than argueing with them.
From the updates you can see they are nearing the end of the journey and mass production is not far off now.
Hi, Nice pictures, nice videos,neat extra features for more pledge money - but when do you think the estimated Sept 2012 Pepple version will deliver? I'm thinking of giving it as a Christmas present next year (2013) Thanks/
P.S. - I didn't receive updates via email from you since the 9/4/12 one (kept track via news updates)Hadn't heard anything, so i researched this site. You said my email was not a good one, you could not send email updates to it and then you had a test for me to try. My original email (100% correct) went through your test the first try - just an fyi, the email is fine, something is broke with your update system.
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As with every other project I have backed on Kickstarter, delays have happened and things just do not get out on the projected end date. I wish I could say I was surprised about the amount of discord on this page and on many updates previous to this one. Kickstarter is NOT Amazon. You do not throw your money at someone and get a product in a short amount of time because the product you are putting money toward hasn't even been created yet! In most cases it is a prototype or a digital rendering, not a finished, working product. In addition, this project surpassed its monetary goal 10x over. Adjusting for the amount of volume that they have to churn out in order to fulfill these orders ALSO takes time. Have some patience or go back to eBay and Amazon, where innovation does NOT live.
Thanks for double checking the quality level of Pebbles. I rather wait than be sorry. Those that complain will complain no matter what, if you rushed it out and the quality level is not there they will ask for a refund anyway. Take your time so we know the end result will be the best!
Too little too late, honestly. Will dispute the charges and someone else can have my old technology.