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The first Minecraft multiuser server you can buy, our $99 Mineserver™ is faster, easier, more secure, cheaper, and managed by Mom.
The first Minecraft multiuser server you can buy, our $99 Mineserver™ is faster, easier, more secure, cheaper, and managed by Mom.
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    1. Roger Sinasohn
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      on

      @Will Harden -- Didn't you hear? We're all getting our Mineservers before the end of the year!
      .
      Plus, I'll be getting a yacht and a mansion and my wife is going to bring home a couple of supermodels to stay with us!

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      Will Harden
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      on

      Just checking in to see if this had been officially shut down, or if we're still being strung along...

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      Scott Woodward on

      Thinking… If Mark made an insurance claim for the MineServer Hardware and received a settlement for that, is it insurance fraud if he does not delver? Otherwise he is getting a settlement for purchased inventory. We should get a part of the MineServer hardware settlement if no inventory is going to be delivered.

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      Kevin on

      Bob, I have never bashed you publically or privately regarding this project but at the point I'm just wondering if I can get a refund. My kids have moved on from Minecraft (as your kids might have as well) and that money could be more useful towards something else. I hope you're doing well and your kids didn't get discouraged with this project and will continue to innovate and take risks to invent other neat things. Message me if this is a possibility.

    5. Brian
      Superbacker
      on

      Thanks for the update, Roger, and for clarifying the context of "finally."

    6. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      For those not interested in digging through the comments on Crookely's site, here are his comments from his 5/21 post (note that "finally" refers to this being the last of a number of subjects he commented on in the one comment (as in "lastly"), not finally he's getting around to it (as in "at last"):

      "Finally, let’s face this Mineserver issue. I’ll do this in more detail in an upcoming column but may as well hit the high points here. As you may know, I went blind and then my house (also the Mineserver factory) burned down along with 4700 other homes here in Sonoma County. Twenty-two people died. When there is $10+ billion in residential losses as there are here, insurance companies go into a mode where they believe their primary job is to NOT pay people. We have yet to see a cent, nor have most of our neighbors. Our claim is well in excess of $1 million of which about $30,000 is for Mineserver tooling and parts. The best estimate here is that it will take two years (16 more months) for most of us to receive our settlements. And our insurance company in particular (the Good Hands People) doesn’t think it should have to pay for melted Mineservers AT ALL.

      So we can’t count on insurance to get this business back in operation. We couldn’t count on me, either, as long as I was blind. I don’t know if you’ve ever been blind, but day-to-day functioning is difficult, especially if you are a refugee from a natural disaster. Well now my sight is restored and though we still don’t have a place to build anything, we’re back in the Mineserver business, preparing a successor model because the available boards and other parts have all changed.

      I’ve pretty much said all of this 2-3 times now along with explaining that I am SORRY. I’m SORRY that I lost my sight. I am SORRY that I lost my house. I am SORRY that I couldn’t deliver on time to people the Mineservers on which we were already losing an average of $30 each. And now I am SORRY that I have to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at my expense. I am SORRY, too, that it has taken so long. But I’m doing my best.

      Every supporter will get their Mineserver before the end of this year. It would be cheaper for me to just give them their money back but right now I can’t put together that much in one lump. And besides, the point is to deliver a cool device, which we will.

      How, exactly, would you do it better?"

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      Anthony on

      What really gets me upset about the lack of this project ever happening is this statement from the Risks and Challenges.
      "The result is that, unlike many Kickstarter hardware projects, for the $99 Mineserver™ virtually all development work is already done so risks are minimized. If we had cases we could start shipping tomorrow. "
      Then it turned out this was a lie... then many updates followed about software getting complete, batteries, ect.. clearly not just a no case issues... honestly if it was that simple from the start you hsould have asked and just send them as is and let people 3d print there own cases... But whatever this guy is a thief and a liar, he blames it on my kids because that will work. right...

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      Phillip South on

      I think the only failing of this project is ...
      the failure to communicate.

      The last update is over TWO YEARS ago. The only relevant new information from the campaign...is posted elsewhere.

      Kickstarter campaigns expressly do NOT guarantee product deliveries, not even successful product developments, so those egregious faults can not be considered failures.

      But the grand failure to communicate still remains.

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      Scott Woodward on

      The mineserver.com site is now down.
      URL: GET http://www.mineserver.com/
      Category:
      Reason: UNKNOWN
      Notification: DNS_FAIL

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      Will Harden
      Superbacker
      on

      &Roger Sadly, I read that post... What happened to the VC funding and expansion? Why was the factory/warehouse still his house? I have so many questions...

    11. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      Oh, btw, Crookely says in his whiny comment that every backer will get a mineserver by the end of the year.

      (And anyone want to buy some ocean-front property in the Nevada desert?)

    12. Roger Sinasohn
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      on

      Crookely has a new column up (https://www.cringely.com/2018/05/21/cloud-computing-may-finally-end-the-productivity-paradox/) for those who want to schlep over there to read his drivel. It's ostensibly about cloud computing, but in about the 10th comment down, Crookely comments about the Mineserver project, mostly playing the victim and saying he's sorry for going blind and for his house burning down. Oh, and what nerve we have to be upset since he was losing $30 on each mineserver anyway...

      I commented.

      @Johnathan Stein -- Thanks for the info!

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      Johnathan Stein on

      @Roger Sinasohn -- Keep up the reminders on his column; the only reason I go there now is to see your Mineserver comments.

      Legal action against the LLC is doubtful; even on 1/3 contingency, although at this point, I'd give it all to the lawyer -- it's a total loss anyway, and I'd like to see SOMETHING done.

      If punitive damages were possible, might be another story. Action against Kickstarter might up the ante, too.

      FWIW, even a simple commencement of action would allow discovery, which means you could get every backer's email. That might open up a possibility for class-action against both LLC & Kickstarter. If nothing else, perhaps a suggestion everyone make a comment at his column...

      My $0.02.

    14. Kelley Hendrix
      Superbacker
      on

      Either admit your kids and you failed or give us a product.

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      Scott Woodward on

      Once a month check in.... Can this run a Fortnite server? That is all my kids are playing now.

    16. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      A user on Crookely's site posted a link to this: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2018/04/ken-whitman-youve-been-served.html

      It appears that another KS Scammer is being sued for non-delivery.

      I'm wondering if there are any lawyers here who would be willing to comment on this and whether or not something like this would be worth pursuing?

    17. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      @Paul -- Too bad we didn't notice that 4 days ago... Today is the 504th day since the last update on this project.

      (and almost 4 months since Crookely said we should look for updates "in a couple more weeks."

    18. Paul Lesoway on

      Next comment is #500

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      Scott Woodward on

      Anyone have any interaction with Mark or the creator, Mary Alyce Neader Stephens?

    20. Andy Considine on

      Joining in.

      I DEMAND REFUND.

      I invoke my rights under Kickstarter's Terms of Use:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012
      "Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
      I demand a full refund for my pledge amount.

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      Erwin Schottroff on

      I DEMAND REFUND.

      I invoke my rights under Kickstarter's Terms of Use:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012
      "Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
      I demand a full refund for my pledge amount.

    22. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      @Carol Reeves, I don't think it's a scam, actually. A scam implies intentional fraud and I don't think Crookely started out planning to cheat his backers.

      On the other hand, I do think that Crookely is a privileged, arrogant, morally bankrupt person who started something, got bored when it got hard, and decided it wasn't worth his time.

    23. Carol Reeves
      Superbacker
      on

      is this a scam????

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      Scott Woodward on

      How long does Kickstarter keep projects open? Will there be a time Kickstarter just deletes this failed project?

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      Christine Barker on

      FTC complaint form... https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt

      Might want to fill it out for Mineserver AND Kickstarter.

    26. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      On January 2nd, Crookely wrote about the Mineserver project: "Look for a spec update and a new shipping schedule in a couple more weeks, followed shortly by a clever marketing announcement you may enjoy (it’s Fallon’s idea)."

      By my calculations, it's been three weeks which is more than "a couple".

      But did anyone expect anything different?

    27. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      So this is interesting. It seems that Mineserver LLC was registered in September/October 2015 in Wyoming. (https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx…)

      It then became delinquent in paying taxes in October 2016 and was dissolved in December 2016.

      If you look at the articles of organization (see the "Initial Filing" in the "History" section), the members of the LLC are Crookely himself and his 401k (no mention of the boys, but perhaps they can't be listed given that they're underage.) I'm not sure why he would include his 401k on the filing (I'm not a tax/money guy), but it seems odd to me. (btw, it's a Wyoming LLC because there is no corporate income tax in Wyoming.)

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      Will Harden
      Superbacker
      on

      @Roger Thanks for summarizing everything pretty nicely on his latest blog post — I just didn’t have the words to comment after reading...

    29. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      Crookely: Waaah, my kids are just wittle kids! Why you being so mean to them? And look at me, I had eye trouble! Waaah! All the Mineservers burned up because I couldn't be bothered to send them out and now the State thinks I'm dishonest! Waaaaaaaah!

      My 15-year-old is ten times more responsible and honorable than Crookely. Heck, my 9yo is too. For that matter, I've seen piles of dog dirt that are more respectable than Crookely.

    30. John H
      Superbacker
      on

      Happy New Year.
      May 2018 bring all involved in this what they deserve.

    31. AKickstarterUser on

      Here comes Christmas. With nothing shipping from the cringely house, Except cards with our money likely in them. :)

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      Controlled Chaos on

      @Jay Welshofer - Have you OR ANYONE contacted KickStarter ? I have - several times - without response from KickStarter. Perhaps KickStarter is partially at fault her as well - as they obviously not even attempting to help find a solution. I would bet KickStarter (if forced to respond) would say something like "KickStarter provides an avenue for entrepreneurs to crowdsource ideas and we take no responsibility in the actions or results of said entrepreneurs"... but we do profit by collecting fees from said entrepreneurs. We heard no evil - see no evil - speak no evil. We are not the villains you are looking for. Was that respectful or considerate enough KickStarter ? Considering I paid $184 and I feel I was ripped off ? KickStarter --- was it ? I think KickStarter needs to join this conversation. I think it's been 3 YEARS now.

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      Controlled Chaos on

      @Jay Welshofer... that page https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012 seems to be for projects before 1/18/2014. The funding period for this failed mineserver project was Sep 29 2015 - Oct 21 2015 (22 days). I think this page https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use applies to current issue.

    34. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      @John M. Wargo -- While his home was clearly threatened, there is no word on whether or not it was indeed affected in any way. In fact, there appears to be some evidence that his home was spared. If you punch in his address (1934 Los Alamos Road, Santa Rosa, CA) on this page: https://robinkraft.github.io/norcal-fires-imagery/compare.html you can see that his home may have actually escaped destruction.

      Even if his home did burn down along with all the mineservers, that doesn't explain his silence here. I don't know if he's just hoping we'll all go away and he can forget about the whole debacle or if he's really the sort of privileged prick who thinks he doesn't have to answer to the common people who backed his project. (Frankly, I suspect is a little of the former and a lot of the latter.)

      As for being blind, he seems to be able to generate the occasional column on his website; surely he could manage to post (or have one of his boys post) something, even if it's simply "Sorry, we screwed up, it's over."

      As I've said before (and, sadly, will likely have to say again), I know how hard it is to say publicly "I've made a mess of things; I'm sorry." I had to say that to the backers of my kickstarter project, a number of whom were friends and family. It's not easy, but if you're a grown-up and a person of honor, you do it. Crookely seems to be neither.

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      Scott Woodward on

      Do you know him personally? Do you know his house burned down? Do you know if he is blind? We don’t know anything and unless you know him personally you don’t either.

    36. John M. Wargo on

      You all know Mark is blind, and his house burned down, right? I'm certain all the equipment they purchased burned in the fire and we'll never see it.

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      Andrew on

      The only Christmas gift I want shipped from mineserver is my refund.

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      Scott Woodward on

      I hope the boys are getting the Mineservers in the mail to make sure they are delivered by Christmas. :)

    39. Jay Welshofer on

      I invoke my rights under Kickstarter's Terms of Use:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012
      "Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
      I demand a full refund for my pledge amount.

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      Will Harden
      Superbacker
      on

      And another Thanksgiving gone by. My son actually asked if the server might come this year...

    41. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      So it has been 1 year since the last update on Kickstarter where Crookely announced that "we'll finally start shipping the week after Thanksgiving." I wonder if he meant Thanksgiving 2017?

      (On the upside, this revealed a bug in my code to calculate date difference at http://www.sinasohn.net/Mineserver/)

    42. Gordon Moar on

      Apparently we're to be graced with an update on the 'Mineserver Jihad' (his words, not mine) at some point in the next week or so.

      Forgive me if I don't hold my breath for that one.

    43. AKickstarterUser on

      I missed the day. But the two year mark passed.

    44. Roger Sinasohn
      Superbacker
      on

      This project, more so than any other, I thought had a good chance of reaching a resolution. Others, I gave up on much sooner; I think that I thought that, because of his very public reputation, Crookely would be more likely to -- eventually -- follow through on this. Or perhaps that's what I hoped, for his sake.

      But it seems that he didn't see this as important enough (or that he's too important) to bother with, once the shine wore off.

      With the destruction of his home, I guess it's finally time for me to face the reality and move this from the "Active" folder to the "Abandoned", in such fine* company as Znaps, gStick, Sum Wars, and Animusic 3.

      "And when he falls, he falls like Lucifer,
      Never to hope again."

    45. Gordon Moar on

      Force majeure, you say? How convenient �

      Oh well, it's been fun*

      *not fun

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      Another sucker on

      Since Mineserver is now a commercial enterprise (supposedly), I doubt Mark's insurance would cover that loss. Besides, he would probably just spend it on another military jet>
      .
      https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-civilian-person-who-has-a-fighter-jet-as-a-private-jet

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