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The Biblical Literature designed & crafted for reading, separated into four elegant volumes, and free of all numbers, notes, etc.
The Biblical Library elegantly designed & crafted for enjoyable reading, separated into volumes, and free of all numbers, notes, &c.
The Biblical Library elegantly designed & crafted for enjoyable reading, separated into volumes, and free of all numbers, notes, &c.
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An update, and a scholar’s thoughts

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Hi, folks.

A quick note from me to announce that as of last week our proofreading phase with Peachtree Editorial has concluded, and we are now devoting every ounce of energy to making our final checks and corrections and finessing the typesetting before we ship the text off for printing. Production on well over 100 tons of premium book paper began at Salzer, in Austria, last week, and Kösel, our printing and binding house, has reserved a block for Bibliotheca on their production calendar. We will deliver files on May 11 to begin printing on May 19.

I mentioned in the December update that we were enlisting a panel of scholars to perform an expert reading of our pages. This panel is made up of professors, visiting professors, and lectors from an array of institutions, including (from west to east) Fuller Theological Seminary, Wheaton College, Ashland Theological Seminary, Candler School of Theology at Emory University, and the Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies at the University of Oxford. We are extremely grateful and honored to have had such a highly skilled cohort examine the text. Their final notes are trickling in this week and next, and I am happy to report that through this process we’ve made some key emendations—and beyond this, we are told by the scholars that they have enjoyed the reading.

Just yesterday I received an e-mail from one of these experts, Dr. David deSilva of Ashland Theological Seminary. He asked if we would like to post some thoughts of his on the Kickstarter comment wall, but judging that many of you would appreciate a word from one of the scholars who reviewed the text, we decided to share his words, with his permission, in this update. 

Dear Backers:

I see that there’s some ill feeling about the delay in the publication of this edition of the Bible. I can understand your frustration, but please permit me to share a few things that might help.

Adam contacted me, together with several other professors of the Old and New Testament who have been involved in Bible translation projects, to do a final read of the text Adam is publishing and do a final “quality control” check. He’s taking his work very seriously and wants this not just to be beautifully printed but to be worth printing beautifully. I myself read about two-thirds of the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals and a few select books of the New Testament, and am so glad that Adam included this time-consuming but project-improving step. Without damaging the literary quality of the base translation, we were able to suggest many changes that would bring the translation up to par with where textual criticism and Greek lexicography currently stand, not to mention alert Adam to a few all-out mistranslations of the original Hebrew and Greek in the ASV (every translation has them). The result is simply going to be a more reliable representation of the Bible inside those fine bindings.

I myself was the Apocrypha Editor for the Common English Bible and also one of four people tasked with revising the Apocrypha for the English Standard Version. Particularly from the former experience, I have to tell you that producing a Bible and timetables don’t mix very well. Two years is not unreasonable for what Adam and his (very small) team are on the verge of accomplishing. It took a team of several hundred people involved (under a board of eight) five years to create the Common English Bible. Granted, that was a fresh translation, but even the mechanical work of formatting an existing translation to which global changes are going to be made (like dropping the archaic second-person singular pronouns and verb forms) takes an immense amount of time, especially for a handful of people.

I have to say that I’m very pleased to have learned about this project, to have had the experience that you all will soon have of reading the uncluttered text of the Bible, and to have had a hand in making sure that text is as accurate as possible while still being the American Standard Version (or in the case of the Apocrypha, the Revised Version). Now I’m looking forward to my copy of the finished product as well!

Kind regards,

David deSilva, Ph.D.
Trustees’ Distinguished Professor of New Testament and Greek
Ashland Theological Seminary

With much gratitude once again—for Peachtree’s vigilant proofreading, for the kind assistance of this group of scholars, for my team’s grueling hours of late, and for your continued patience, which will be rewarded forthwith—I take my leave, until next time. (And we will have plenty to report in the weeks to come as production of the books unfolds.)

Adam Lewis Greene
bibliotheca.co

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    1. Ali Tai on

      Has printing started? When will shipping begin?

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      Kimberly on

      I am so excited for these books!! I don't even mind waiting :) I'm glad that you have all taken the time needed to put out a quality product and I am thrilled that I will be having a set of my own!!! Great job!!!

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      David Anderson on

      It will be interesting to see which set ships first. Bibliotheca or the ESV Readers six volume set. The ESV set has a planned ship date of 10/31. I think the ESV set will ship first but I hope not.

    4. Michael Moore on

      Brent, the purple post is not from Adam, but from Heather, their customer support manager. It is not an official update, just a heads-up that things are still moving.

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      Brent James on

      Adam, it would be great to use the update area and not the comments section for updates. I only saw the purple post below because I checked in to see new comments. I wouldn't have seen this post otherwise.

    6. Adam Lewis Greene 2-time creator on

      Hi Everyone,


      We appreciate the eagerness for Bibliotheca, and we are excited the project is materializing. Adam has just returned home from a week in Germany where he has been overseeing production. The team is preparing an update and will be sharing details soon.


      Also, I am busy confirming address changes on our master shipping list. If you need to update your address, once again, here are the steps to do so in Kickstarter:
      (Note: You may not be able to change your address on a mobile device.)

      - Log into your Kickstarter account
      - Navigate to the BibIiotheca campaign page
      - Scroll down to your selected reward (highlighted green)
      - Click on the link “Your response”
      - Select “Edit address”

      Or, alternatively:

      - Log into your Kickstarter account
      - Click on the Profile Setting drop-down in upper right-hand corner
      - Under “My Stuff,” select “Backed Projects”
      - Select “Bibliotheca” from the “Projects I backed” list
      - Click the middle “Survey” tab
      - Select “Edit address”


      Thanks for your patience and continued support. Please reach out to me directly with any questions – I'm here to help.


      Have a great weekend,

      Heather
      Bibliotheca, Inc.
      Customer Support Manager


      heather@bibliotheca.co
      support@bibliotheca.co
      http://bibliotheca.co

    7. Pippa Whiteley on

      Do you have a shipping date on the horizon some time soon??

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      AddVariety on

      So tomorrow it's exactly 2 months since the last update. And a month from now, it's exactly 2 years ago since the project was funded.

      If the latest planning held up (being printing May 19), you should now be well underway with this and probably even have planned (phased?) shipments. So I think I speak on behalf of everyone who'd love to see these books in person when I say we want more updates. They don't need to be a long background story every time, but at least a monthly status update so we know what to expect. When will you start shipping? Were you able to start printing on May 19?

      Don't get me wrong, we all know this is a lot of work and seeing the updates it's clear you're working hard on this. And the past has made it clear that deadlines were almost never met (with good reason often), but that means regular updates are a necessity. The fact is you have almost 15,000 backers that gave you a total of over $1.4 million, which you already possess (that's the whole point of Kickstarter). If that's not worth giving a brief update every month to your loyal and patient backers, I don't know what is.

      Patience and loyalty goes both ways.

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      Tom Graves on

      I keep it in the back of my head that someday soon, I will have these beautiful books. I share your excitement, and I am looking forward to holding the books in my hands. Until then, whenever that is, you have my best wishes.

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      Jeremy Lagerman on

      At first, I supported this project to see how badly it would go. Adam had absolutely no idea the amount of work re-writing the book that is the basis for three religions. Then I saw the time frame and laughed. How bad is this going to be. Then the first deadline was missed. Ok, so its a little late. Then things started to change. Adam figured out how much work it really is and told us. I had mixed feelings at that time. Disappointed that I didn't have a product, glad to see the level of respect he has given this book. I originally purchased this to see how bad it would be, now I'm excited to read what I trust to be the most accurate translation to a language I can read. As far as I'm concerned, take all the time you need to make good on your dream...

    11. Micah Purnell on

      It has been found that there is more gratification gained during the longing of an item or service than the actual acquisition of such item.

      (info from a TED talk, naturally.)

      I am a little giddy.

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      Kyle Johnston on

      Anything happen in the past 6 weeks? Excited for my copies!

    13. John Keller on

      Any update on the next update?

    14. Norm Shepherd on

      I really wish you folks would stop trashing anyone who's not happy with this project, that's between them and Adam. Some of us backed a modernization of the ASV, not a revision, please go back and re-read what you backed and stop trying to shame people for expressing any opinion contrary to your own. Ask yourselves has any of the delays been caused by this extra revision work? Yep, it's that simple.

    15. Aaron Decker on

      Checking in...has printing been completed? Is there an estimated ship date? Thanks in advance

    16. Steven Landau
      Superbacker
      on

      Adam and Team Bibliotheca,

      Keep your faith as most all of us have kept ours.

      The majority of your backers supported you for what will be a beautiful and modern (21st Century) interpretation of the Bible, packaged in a gorgeous wooden box on stunning paper with brilliant printing and binding. I have personally "backed" over 550+ projects between Kickstarter, IndieGoGo, and others. I am still waiting on multiple projects from 2010-2012. It is what it is, and in your case, the "delays," which I personally believe are not "delays" whatsoever, but are merely estimated dates that, if you knew what you now know, would have been different. And, therefore, due to your initial enthusiasm, in combination with what are now "lessons learned" in taking upon yourself such an enormous task, would have changed your estimated delivery date you gave back in June 2014 to December 2016. Furthermore, as you have now learned that this process will take between 2.5 to even 3-years to accomplish, I believe, from my own personal experience, that you would still have 90% of your current backers anyway.

      So what is the problem...there is NO PROBLEM! Most of the people who criticize you for you not "hitting an estimated delivery date" are mostly people who have VERY LITTLE experience in the concept of crowdfunding in the first place. If you look up the profiles of the majority of the people who have treated you badly (both verbally and emotionally), based on my vast crowdfunding experience, these naysayers have backed very few projects and still believe they have purchased a product that is late in being shipped; when, in fact, crowdfunding is backing a project, NOT a product! Sadly, this has led to the obnoxious comments you have received without basis.

      And to those inexperienced crowdfunding people, specifically, I genuinely suggest that you stop backing crowdfunded projects and make your purchases from an online retailer such as Amazon as you clearly do not understand the concept and purpose for a vehicle such as Kickstarter or IndieGoGo and why it was and still is the perfect platform for Adam and Team Bibliotheca.

      If you think about what this project would have been if it were to have been set forth 1,000-years ago, we would still have supported Bibliotheca, yet we would have waited 10-years for the hundreds of quill pen artists to author these Bibles.

      With all of that said, I implore everyone to let Team Bibliotheca do what they need to do to move this wonderful process forward so they can make clearly thought out decisions which will eventually lead to 14,884 extremely happy and high-spirited backers who pledged $1,440,345 bring this project to life. Which is why Kickstarter writes these words after every single successfully funded project that used the Kickstarter platform. They do not state,"14,884 backers pledged $1,440,345 to pre-pay for a series of books that will be shipped with 2nd day express mail via Amazon Prime."

      I truly hope this helps many of you understand the difference between a purchase of a product versus that of an investment in a project; and, I implore those who believe the former should not "back" anymore crowdfunded projects as this will help the project creators to create and deliver amazing results from the ideation process used to make a novel idea turn into a reality in the form of a project deliverable, whenever that may be.

      Thank You all for listening to my brief soliloquy as I hope it helps both the serial crowdfunders like me, and equally helps the novice crowdfunders to make thoughtful decisions prior to backing any project that you may be interested in backing in the future.

      Sincerely & Best Regards,

      Steven Landau

    17. Bryan Day on

      Thank you very much for the attention to detail that you are investing in this project. I deeply appreciate the care with which you all are handling the text. Do you have any updates on the production and latest status?

    18. Sarah Semple on

      Now a month later I'm curious where the project stands today. I'll admit I'm still excited to get my copy. I'm glad to see so many positive comments. Keep up the good work.

    19. Ryan Lounsbury on

      I'm happy to see the books are likely in printing by now. I look forward to receiving the final product; wasn't sure I'd even see it but I'm glad I stayed committed to it!

    20. Norm Shepherd on

      I would've loved a modernized ASV or a YLT, but other than modernizing some archaic words I would've left the translation alone. Will the Bibliotheca have translation notes to identify the changes from the original ASV?

    21. Jason Nichols on

      Thank you, Heather, for letting us know printing has started!

    22. Shawnicy Barnhart on

      Did printing begin? We are so excited!

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      Kyle Johnston on

      I'm so excited for these books. I seriously check every day to see if there is a new update. The big question I have and have had since the beginning, and the only question I want answered is when we'll have them in our hands. End of this summer? Winter? Sometime in 2017? 2018? Just want to know what the final deadline is that you're shooting for. I have yet to see that in the posts. You're only sharing what is happening and I'd like to also see what your projected timeline is.

    24. Adam Lewis Greene 2-time creator on

      Hello Backers,


      Thank you for your continued eagerness for Bibliotheca. We wanted to give you a quick update that we are hitting all our deadlines for submitting final copy and have officially begun the printing process. We will get more details out soon.


      Have a great week!

      Heather
      Bibliotheca, Inc.
      Customer Support Manager


      heather@bibliotheca.co
      support@bibliotheca.co
      http://bibliotheca.co

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      Cathy Horton Owen on

      It seems like a long time ago that we paid to receive these books which were meant to be a gift. We would still like to receive the books. I wonder if we are still on the list to get them as we stopped getting updates some time ago and had to do some research to find an update.

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      Gerald Peel on

      Looking forward to receiving this! All good things come to those who wait.... Not interested in any shortcuts - take the time necessary to do this right. Sounds like many who complain are willing to "settle." Not me! Keep pushing for excellence!

    27. Matt Blaha on

      The last update said "We will deliver files on May 11 to begin printing on May 19."

      Seems like another update is due to say how those things went?

    28. John Goering on

      Hey guys - has everything worked out according to this latest plan? Has printing begun?

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      John on

      I have a suggestion, in the absence of the Bible, Adam Greene' letters by now can be compiled and packaged as Apocrypha 2.0 with the Bible.​

    30. Gary Lewis on

      I am gleaming with excitement with your recent update!!! This is exactly how I have felt since day 1 funding this campaign. You guys stay strong and remain faithful to integrity! I cannot wait until the ink is laid and the pages come together and I have them in my hands. You guy are awesome!!!! Thanks for a very encouraging update!

    31. Beth H. Garvin on

      Adam, would you send/post a list if the scholars who participated in the proofreading or editing of this work?

    32. Matt Stetson on

      Congratulations Adam and his incredible team!!! Still thinking and praying for you all! We are almost there. Love you guys!

    33. Hannah Butler on

      I have been so pleased with my investment. Adam has done a great job of keeping his backers consistently and sufficiently updated. The more I read about this overwhelming project and what Adam and his team are doing, the happier I am that I invested. I believe delayed gratification pays off, especially in this situation.

    34. Trey Davis on

      Thanks for the update. It sounds like we are a long way off, though.

    35. Marc Lussier on

      Remember, that these anthologies will live on, forever, in history. Wouldn't all the Backers of this Project agree, that this process albeit delayed — is most necessary in assuring that Bibliotheca lives on in history as accurately, self-assuredly as possible? Lighten-up, Backers! Patience is a virtue. Galatians 5:22-23.

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      Lisa Smith on

      How do I get my money back?

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      Lisa Smith on

      How do I get my money back?

    38. Hannah Butler on

      I have been so pleased with my investment. Adam has done a great job of keeping his backers consistently and sufficiently updated. The more I read about this overwhelming project and what Adam and his team are doing, the happier I am that I invested. I believe delayed gratification pays off, especially in this situation.

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      Brent James on

      So looking at the timeline that was posted on the Mar 1, 2015 update, it's reasons that if you hand off files on May 19, that we should be expecting delivery on or around Aug 19?

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      Scott Burton on

      Dude... we ordered this almost 2 years ago...lets get it rolling...

    41. Zach Herring on

      I'd rather this project finished strong as opposed to finished quickly. Thanks for the extra step and all the hard work you've already done! I can't wait to see the finished product!

    42. Joshua Washburn on

      @Lance Roberts - While I strongly agree with your concern for the inerrancy of scripture, I don't think that this comment section is a place to make statements that could potentially undermine people's confidence in the Word of God. Having translated from the original languages in seminary, I understand the concerns that you have. However, textual criticism is not inherently a liberal concept. Sure, some people have intentionally altered their translation of the scriptures to fit their liberal agenda. That's not at all what is happening with this project.

      If you take a line of Hebrew like the first part of Proverbs 18:24 "He that maketh many friends doeth it to his own destruction" (ASV) and compare it to the King James Version, "A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly," you have two very different translations. Ultimately, we as conservative believers hold to the truth that God has preserved His Word. That does not mean that every single translation of the Bible is absolutely perfect. Sometimes the translators were slightly off in their understanding of the original language. Which is why it's a beautiful thing for us to have multiple translations to read and compare.

      I believe that Adam, his team, and the team of Bible scholars who consulted on the editing of the ASV have as their goal, as Dr. deSilva stated, "more reliable representation of the Bible." I am very grateful for their work, and I wouldn't want anyone who has purchased this Bible, including myself, to consider it just a book. It is the very Word of God. There is nothing in this world more precious than the Word of God! (It sounds like you would agree with me on that). Psalm 138:2b "For thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name" (ASV).

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      Lance Roberts on

      Found out that Kickstarter created 2 accounts for me, so now I'm able to get in and post this comment which I had to directly email.

      You have broken my heart. I was so excited to get a majority text book-format bible to read, now I find that you have deceived me. Mr. deSilva stated that you were not only using critical text and liberal textual criticism, but is outright changing what he feels is mistranslations. In other words, I'm not going to get a majority text bible, I'm going to get a paraphrase, so what I'll really have is a book, not a bible. I plan on still receiving my sets, but will have to warn everyone I give them to that it can't be trusted. Why couldn't you have got a conservative believer in inerrancy to help you with this?

    44. Chris Givens on

      Great update Adam, I'm so excited. Glad you're doing this the right way.

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      Charles Courtney on

      You're a rock star. Keep up the stellar work bud.

    46. Vincent MacIsaac on

      I am glad to see they finally added professionals into the mix to clear up translations problems. Still it is not quite what we were sold but adding professionals at least is a good step. Still, this project is taking to long at at least there is movement to some degree.

    47. Jared Covington on

      This makes me so happy--thanks for the update!

    48. John Goering on

      "We will deliver files on May 11 to begin printing on May 19."

      YAAAY! \o/ Almost finished!!!

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      Christina Bradic on

      I am still very excited about this project, and updates like this make my even more so. We can't wait for the final – thank you!