Phoenix Knife Set
Survival Hunting knife with a full-tang fixed blade, replaceable gut hook, G10 handle, Kydex sheath, 9cr18 steel, EverSpark tech, more
This project will only be funded if it reaches its goal by Tue, November 27 2018 6:41 PM UTC +00:00.
Phoenix Talon and Feather
An incredibly well designed set of hunting/survival knives with useful features you won't find on any other knife out there. If you are outdoors, you will want this on you!
We need your help. Your support will bring the Phoenix Talon & Feather knife set to life and to your next adventure. Funding this campaign will complete production tooling and finance our first production run...and make you feel awesome for supporting the American Dream and general entrepreneurship...the lifeblood of a great economy.
While attending the Outdoor Retailer Show in Denver, July 24th, we had the privilege of meeting Rick and Julie Kreuter from Beyond the Hunt from Outdoor Channel...They have been up and running for 12 seasons! They are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. Mojica got to have some quality time with Rick to showcase the Phoenix Talon and Feather. In Rick's words he said we "have a winner." He really liked what he saw and held in his hands. ...and he is a huge supporter of entrepreneurs. It's always great to get some love from people who are well respected in the outdoor industry. Learn more about him and Julie here: https://beyondthehunttv.com/
We are also excited to see we were featured in comparison article about quality hunting knives. Check it out here! Best Skinning Knives for Deer and Elk.
After talking with numerous outdoorsmen it became obvious that there was a need and high demand for a trusted blade in the great outdoors. So we sat down with our good friend Doug, an avid and well respected hunter. He brought over 16 different knives and said, "I like all of these, make me a better one." He had different features he liked about each one and wanted us to see what we could do. So we worked on it for over a year and a half...and built one. Well, we built two actually, with all the right curves in all the right places.
While in the the backcountry, hunters may find themselves on long hikes as they track and pack out - many times those long hikes turn into long nights. And sometimes it becomes essential to get a fire going. In mountaineering courses we learn that "two is one, and one is none" in terms of fire making implements. We should always have at least two ways to make fire. In times of emergency, fire can be a game changer.
So, we integrated our EverSpark Fire wheel into the handle of the Phoenix Talon. From lighting your camp stoves to starting emergency fires, this feature will become a great asset in time of need.
We've all done it. As you're setting up your tent and staking it down you realize the ground is a little tougher than you thought. You go for the classic "heel of your boot and pound" technique. The problem is, as you stand on it, or kick it, you end up bending the stake! You need a hammer. That's when you reach to your side and pull out your trusted knife. You know it's not the best idea but you do it anyway. Well, what if it wasn't such a bad idea to reach for your knife when what you really want is a hammer? We designed a meaty tang (5/32" thick!) and extended it past the handle for that very reason. So, when a hammer is needed but none is found, you'll walk away a hero with your Phoenix Talon in hand.
Field tested, ready for any adventure.
It started and ended with balance. When you hold it, you can't help but smile at how well this knife is balanced and feels in your hand. We placed the center of gravity just before the guard to increase control and comfort, and to decrease fatigue. Those smooth, chamfered holes ain’t just for looks either. They not only lighten the weight and finesse the center of gravity, but allow for a solid grip and greater control even when your hands might be a little messy. We softened those edges around the lightening holes to avoid uncomfortable, damaging, sharp edges. Go ahead and run some paracord thru those holes without fear of intense chaffing. Yup, we put some thought into this design and are thrilled with how it turned out.
The 1/4" hex hole in the Phoenix Feather can be used with a standard #1 Phillips hex driver for gut hook replacement and anytime you need leverage while turning a screw bit and don't happen to have your tool set with you.
The gut hook, with its replaceable surgical steel blade, can be used for many things. Mojica used it to go thru some tough custom OE paracord ...6 times in 30 seconds. (OE Survival Paracord contains 7 standard strands of nylon for 550 pounds of tensile strength, 2 lines of braided fishing line, and one line of jute - great fire tinder- all wrapped up in a very strong nylon sheath)
We were also asked how does it hold up to some batoning action. We took it for a test drive and it help up fine:
Each knife is great as a stand-alone tool but are even better together. The Phoenix Feather, with its convenient flat head screwdriver tip at the end of the handle, complements the Talon and can be used to open the G-10 handle. And, we won't be offended if you use it as a pry tool to get those pesky beverage tabs up.
When designing the Phoenix Talon, we chose flat-head screws for the G-10 handle for ease of use. The striker plate on our Kodiak Survival Braid can also double as a screwdriver for the handle screws.
The handle can easily be removed from the Phoenix Talon's tang to access the inside storage and to make cleaning the knife that much easier. The inner pocket of the Talon is conveniently sized to hold a replacement gut hook blade and a couple of TinderQuiks or it can be outfitted with our Go Prepared Survival (GPS) collaboration of the Talon Handle Survival Kit...but it's okay to get creative here and customize the contents as you desire.
We gave Go Prepared Survival (GPS) a challenge to develop a miniature essentials kit for the handle compartment of our new Phoenix Talon knife. Nailed it! They met the challenge! The Talon Handle Kit they developed includes an Eagle Claw bronze #6 bait holder hook, Eagle Claw split-shot sinker 3/0, Kevlar ™ 45 lb. test thread (can double as fishing line), sewing needle, button compass, and 2 Spartan Fire EDC Multi-Use Tinder. Spartan Fire's also lubricate and protect blades and can act as a repair patch using the needle and thread. Oh yeah, the Spartan Fire Strip is also waterproof tinder! ...that happens to also fit great in your wallet! To learn more about the Spartan Fire Strips check out the GPS site.
Go Prepared Survival (GPS) is a company with a background in fire, EMS and military services. Their main focus is our Customers, our Country and providing the best gear for a fair price. Specializing in American made, high quality outdoor products for military and civilian use. Worldwide Distributor for Defense Contractor, Speedhook Specialist Inc.Feel free to check them out at www.gopreparedsurvival.com.
Long live American entrepreneurship!
We let GPS "handle" the Phoenix Talon (to create the custom Talon Handle Kit)…this was Sam's first impressions about the knife:
"I received a prototype of the new Phoenix Talon from Outdoor Element last week. They asked us to build a custom kit for the handle compartment of the knife.
As an avid knife collector, I have a working knowledge of how a fix blade knife should perform in the field. My initial impressions of the knife were mixed as the blade profile was unique to say the least. I first grabbed a stick of hardened fat wood and attempted to choke up on the knife using the nicely provided jimping on the top of the blade. The rear straight edge of the blade carved fine shavings and preformed flawlessly. The knife was comfortable in the hand while making feather sticks. Next, I began to baton through a quarter inch piece of oak with zero issues. The removable gut hook that protrudes from the tip of the blade glides through 550 cord effortlessly saving your primary edge for other tasks.
Unfortunately, my prototype did not have the spark wheel. In my opinion, having a sparking device integrated into a fixed blade knife is a game changer. In addition to the sparking wheel the Talon also offers storage for tinder and other small items. I was able to store a button compass, Kevlar thread, sewing needle, fish hook, sinker and a Spartan Fire strip multi-use tinder with ease in the handle compartment.
The combination of blades, striker and the ability to stow navigation, food procurement items, repair/fishing cordage with waterproof tinder earns this compact knife an exceptional rating."
Go Prepared Survival
More Field Testing!
Here is some of our OE team enjoying a moment during field testing after using the EverSpark wheel to start a cooking fire and using the Phoenix Feather as a very capable steak knife.
By the way, the steak was a perfect medium rare. Go Mojica!
The Phoenix Feather will quickly become your favorite sidekick from caping around all of those tight areas to dinner time and apples.
The Phoenix Talon and Feather set are the perfect complement for all hunting adventures. They both have their own perfectly fitted Kydex sheaths that are modular and designed to be carried alone or together. Check it out in the technical data below.
The Phoenix Talon sheath has an integrated sharpening plate for those field refining moments.
Now for all the fun technical stuff that help make these knives so awesome.
Dimensions and specs for Phoenix Talon:
- Material: 9cr18 (HRC 61-62) Hold an edge and not a complete beast to sharpen.
- Considering VG-10 as a small production run (100 units-150) for a stretch Goal
- Blade Thickness: .158” (about 5/32") …meaty!
- Weight: 7.7 oz
- Full fixed tang: Extend tang can be used like a hammer (for tent stakes)
- Fillets in holes: for hand/finger comfort and to prevent slipping or cord chaffing
- Replaceable 420 Surgical SS field dressing gut hooks
- G-10 handle, removable for cleaning and to expose storage pocket
- EverSpark Wheel to create fire
- Main Use: Gutting, Skinning & Survival
Rockwell Hardness Testing
The knives average between 61 and 62 (HRC). This is always a fine line to walk. Do you make it crazy hard so the you never lose your edge...but then suffer it becoming too brittle...and it also becomes a beast to put an edge back on? Do you make it simple to resharpen? ...then risk having it too soft and it's constantly losing an edge? We found a good blade in the lower 60's offered the best of both worlds; not brittle, great for longer tasks, and you know you won't have to take a day off work to get that edge back on.
Phoenix Talon Sheath
- Material: Kydex
- Weight with knife: 10 oz
- Integrated diamond sharpening plate
- Weep hole
- Provisions to combine knife set
- Removable, multi-position belt clip
Dimensions and specs for Phoenix Feather:
- Material: 9cr18 (HRC 61-62)
- Considering VG-10 for Stretch Goal
- Blade Thickness: .098”
- Weight: 1.5 oz
- Full fixed tang Provisions to be wrapped in cordage
- ¼” hex driver for standard hex bits
- Aft end ground down to be used like a screwdriver or pry
- Main Use: Caping
Phoenix Feather Sheath
- Material: Kydex
- Weight with knife: 2.2 oz
- Weep hole
1.5 years of R&D
We took our time because we wanted to get it right. Doug is an avid hunter and helps run a YouTube Channel for Epic Mountain Hunter. He is one of the most responsible hunters we know. Any excess pack out is donated to the local area. He has spent his days in the mountains literally "bringing home the bacon" as he has provided for his family. Doug met with Mojica over several months and explained what he loved, hated, and wished for in a basic hunting knife. He also shared a couple of mishaps that caused him and/or a friend to have some unplanned nights in the mountains...hence the need to integrate some survival features. Doug used several prototype iterations and gave plenty of feedback. Yup, there were a few screw ups, but that's why you field test your prototypes! We feel we have come up with a very functional design and are ready for production.
...Doug can be a real mountain goat!
We did not stop with a seasoned mountain dweller. We also reached out to a third party engineer to consult with ergonomics and balance.
Eric Luke: Consultant-Mechanical Engineer-Knife Handler-Outdoorsman-Martial Artist Extraordinaire
Eric is a smart dude...on his off days he enjoys skiing, surfing, climbing, hiking, SCUBA diving, and shooting. For his traditional 8-5 he deals with rotorcraft mass property for one of those fancy helicopter shops. Again, he’s a smart dude.
Eric understands the discipline of martial arts. He has a couple years of training in Kung Fu San Soo in his college days. He’s currently an apprentice Instructor at Warriors Way Martial Arts (training since 2007). During this time he studied Jun Fan Gung Fu (Jun Fan is the base art for Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do), Indonesian Silat, Muay Thai, and Kali (Filipino Martial arts specializing in edged weapons).
Since Eric is trusted with helicopter rotor blades and spends a lot of time studying knife handling techniques, he was a great adviser in this design. He offered in depth feedback on proper center of gravity and ergonomics when it comes to blades. …his insight was invaluable. Thank you sir!
Honorable Mention: Eric is also a licensed EMT with plans on becoming a Wilderness Certified EMT … 'cause that’s what awesome people do.
Thanks for your support in this campaign. We hope to meet you on the trails as you explore with confidence.
More Cad Models for your enjoyment
We have developed a couple of different ways to connect and configure your Phoenix collection
We kept the knives and sheaths at a minimum distance to reduce bulk in out pack on on your side.
$35K - New Color Option for Handle!
Help us get to $35K and we will open up a new handle/scale color.
These will be hand dipped with Prim 1 Fire Storm Camo hydrographic film
(Yes, we fell in love with this name)
There will be a $5 up fee for this option
$50K - New Blade Material Option
At $50K we will release this option. We are still working with the manufacturer to nail down the price.
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Expected Production and Shipping Timelines
- Some tooling has already started and the rest will proceed when we fund.
- December 2018 tooling completion date
- January 2019 start of production after tooling tests and modifications (there are always modifications)
- March 2019 initial shipment from factory
- April 2019 ship initial orders
Risks and challenges
Every project comes with it's own unique risks and challenges. We have taken several measures to mitigate our risks.
Joe Brown came to Outdoor Element a couple of years ago with 30+ years in consumer goods with an expertise in operations and supply chain. He will continue to develop processes to streamline efficient production methods with both quality and volume.
Finding the right supplier is never an easy task. We have grown in both process development and with our relationships with our suppliers. We have met with our manufactures and have had several prototypes made. We are using the same company who produces our firebiners. They have the right equipment, the right staff, and have proven themselves with good communication and production techniques. We are confident they will be able to produce a quality product in a timely manner. We will need to complete tooling, get final production samples approved, and then fulfill the first production run.
We will be transparent in our plan of action and with our challenges along the way. We would love to have you join us in this journey and help make the product better and better every step of the way.
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