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Legends Untold; A cooperative adventure game for 1-4 players.  5 minutes setup, 1 hour play time. Supported by an immersive campaign.
Legends Untold; A cooperative adventure game for 1-4 players. 5 minutes setup, 1 hour play time. Supported by an immersive campaign.
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Dice competition results and a brief look at Dun Mordhain

Posted by Inspiring Games (Creator)

Hi guys,

Dice Competition winner
Sketches from Dun Mordhain
Future Developments

wow - lots of entries into the dice rolling competition but technically (I use that in loose terms as this is a bit like me pushing pause on the music as we play musical statues) I make it that a double dragon was rolled at 40 seconds.

I've paused the video at 39 seconds and the dice are still moving.

Which means err...nobody won!

However, James Philips had 39 seconds and Tim Reid has 41 seconds.  I have therefore added a free set of dice to both your pledges - thanks to everyone for entering and well done guys!

Here is the video for those that want to see dice being rolled - is that a thing?

Perhaps more usefully you can see that I roll:

10, 5, 10, 11, 9, 9, 7, 7, 12.

I can assure you that I had the blessings of the Three Dragons (it's a Brethren phrase) that day!  My regular gaming buddies will happily attest that I know what it is like to get sucky dice rolls on any given day :)

Please bear in mind this was just meant to be a bit of fun - nothing more than that folks!

Sketches from Dun Mordhain

For this update I thought you may like to see some of the sketches of Dun Mordhain. This is part of an ongoing project I have to map out Dun Mordhain in 3D.  This is a big task (Dun Mordhain is truly huge). However this helps me make sure that the canon remains tight and that the world building lore we will share with you remains linked to the 3d model (if I write about it - you should be able to visit it at some point).

Please bear in mind these  are sketch quality - nothing more than that!
This is a street from the Clifton district which sits high up on the cliffs looking over the bog you will be travelling through to gain access to The Great Sewer. The architecture here is a mixture of the Newcomer preference for curves with the Brethren style of monumental columns and scale. This is a very wealthy district, effectively colonised by The Newcomers after the Treaty of The Peoples. Those Newcomers who have settled in Dun Mordhain have bought up the land and are imposing their own feel in this part of city. The avenue leads down to Glassrock Hill Sanctuary which is the area behind the gated section:

This is that same district but viewed from the acropolis right at the top of the city. You can see the edge of the bog of to the left beyond the cliffs and Far Gate way off in the distance on the horizon. In the foreground you can see Henge Hill:

 The reverse view here lets you look up at the Acropolis and the geography of Clifton:

Finally this image here lets you see Dun Mordain from high above. Note that the Eagle Bridge and Floating Castle that some of you may remember from the initial Kickstarter image would be off to the left of this picture. The models will be joined in due course:

Future DevelopmentsI have been getting asked a lot recently about expansions and so forth. I'd like to copy something I said on BGG on the matter:

There can be no quick launch for ASID (A Step Into Darkness). As you can see the most challenging part we have with Legends is it's vision 'All the depth of an RPG with the speed of a card game - no GM required.' For 3,500 people this means different things.

I have had people ask us to make it more simple, a basic hack n slash dungeon crawl with much lighter rules. I have also had people ask us to raise the complexity level further - why can't we also do x,y,z?  

For us this becomes a real challenge as it is impossible to meet the requirements of every single gamer. The advice we received from backers on the last update was to stick to our vision - to give you the depth of an RPG but the speed of a card game.

The challenge we have is that to do this we are trying to condense the typical core rules of an RPG (say 500+ pages) into a small document. The core Legends rulebook is c.60 pages of A5 so that makes it 30 pages of A4. This is a fraction of the typical RPG books you would have to read, however we are trying to encapsulate that level of depth for you in the Legends game design ethos.  

However, there is no getting away from it, to provide the depth that we believe the game warrants, and that we sold it on in the punchline, requires us to have that depth in the rules. The difficult part is of course that unlike many RPGs there is no GM to tell you what to do. This is why we got Paul involved to help streamline the mechanics and to blind test the game.

What we need to do is to get that game to you and see how it lands. It may be that 'all the depth of an RPG' is indeed too deep! In preparation for any potential future launch, all we can do just now is work away at the things which we think will improve the game for you. We think we have some ideas that will add a lot of interest but there is no point in us launching ASID until we get some feedback on the core game.

Best wishes to you all folks.


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    1. Inspiring Games Creator on

      @GK - I know you are gone now anyway but for the benefit of others we specifically took feedback months ago to keep the dice pointed so they would roll better. I just didn't want you thinking I was ignoring a comment.


    2. Inspiring Games Creator on

      @Joel thanks. Yes you are right we need to ask carefully thought out questions to get the most value from the feedback, it's a good point. Cheers!

    3. Inspiring Games Creator on

      @David thanks. Yes I agree. There really are a lot of games like that already, I don't think we would fulfil a niche in that respect.

    4. Inspiring Games Creator on

      @Russonc - noted and thanks. I go over and over this in my head till it spins to be honest. Ultimately I stand by our design ethos - give you the depth but try to remove the complexity.

      Right now for example we are working on something called Areten Silksigns. I think we can show you some of the cool lore behind them and give you something new and interesting in the game but without you having to learn a lot of new rules.

      The trick though is playtesting - hmm maybe some shared files...

    5. Inspiring Games Creator on

      @Tim - ooh that's a thought. Maybe? I'd have think about it as it is quite a beastie!

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      God-keizer on

      The most important thing for you is to focus on your original vision and what feels right. We backers have no idea what your vision actually is, so take our comments with buckets of salt. The guygax that made dnd never listened until it was done, it was his vision and the product was great because of that.

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      God-keizer on

      can you make the dice corners rounder? they don't really roll that well with pointy corners.

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      Joel on

      I think you will learn more and more about the game (what works well and what could be improved) the more different people you talk to who are using it. So rushing to do an expansion before the current version is out there is a bad idea.

      I'd also suggest that asking detailed questions like "which bit of the game did you like most?" or "which bit of the game was the most tedious?" are better ways of getting feedback than asking very open questions like "what do you want me to change?"

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      David Weston

      Keep with it guys- avoid the dungeon crawl/hack’n’slash at all costs! There are plenty of those out there already. Legends is trying to do something quite unusual so do please stay with the philosophy of having the depth of an RPG. I am very excited about this arriving in the not too dim and distant!

    10. Russonc

      Congratulations Tim and James!
      @IG, as someone mentioned in BGG, you will never please everyone so stick to what you have planned for your vision (tweaking as it makes sense to you). My hope is you stay middle of the road ... not so complex as to drive out the more casual gamer; but not so basic that it's too similar to so many of other casual small footprint dungeon crawls already out there. Looking forward to getting the early levels on the table and seeing this franchise grow!

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      Tim Reid on

      Yay dice! That's very exciting, thanks!
      Great to see the 3D model too - are you using Sketchup? Any chance of publishing the 3D file somewhere when the game ships? As it'd be a nifty visual aid...