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Hey guys, what's the status here?
Thanks for the awesome :quoll: :)
@Joseph Yaworski we at 'surespot' are using this Emoji library in our end-to-end encrypted mobile messenger for Android. our project is open source so it seemed natural to back POE and implement their library. Thanks to POE for posting on GitHub quickly, it meant that we were able to include emoji in our first release. I hope that all who create custom images are giving enough to make 'pull requests' so we can keep offering our users an ever expanding selection of ways to express themselves.
many thanks from cherie & adam@surespot
@Joseph Yaworski Pidgin and Empathy both use completely free emoticons (-not- emoji) but as you know they are very limited in number. Replacing them and providing emoji support would be awesome! We can try and provide a packaged library for use in desktop apps with some pre-rolled GTK widgets or something along those lines. We do have a sample implementation in Ruby with a GTK interface that may provide some reference but I must warn you it is very rough. PM me if you decide you want to do something, and what types of libraries or modules that would help you. Personally I'd like to see support in empathy as Pidgin seems to have fallen behind and doesn't have the integration with GNOME that Empathy does.
Interesting; you're aiming for libraries/gems? That seems like an excellent idea and would likely gain the most traction.
I don't have anything that I would like to use them in immediately, per-se. However, I was exploring the idea of inserting them into existing IM clients like Empathy, Pidgin, Kopete, etc (admittedly, I haven't explored the licenses on these projects' emoji) that I personally use. I'd like to see wide traction of an effort like this.
Once the tools come out, I may attempt to submit a few patches to these projects where applicable. However, emoji are serious business; who knows if they'll be acecpted.
Thanks for all the hard work.
@Joseph Yaworski This project was borne of such an interest and a real need. The project that originally wanted it is called 'forem' and is a simple forum engine for rails. It used the gemoji gem which has the questionable Apple emoji. After proposing the project several others who had been using gemoji noticed and wanted it to happen for their projects as well. Aside from that a developer at groupme wants to use them, as well as a few other projects which put in custom orders who I will not name yet as I have not asked their permission. One of the big barriers is tools which we are starting to build now. As we didn't reach our reach goals for them they will not be under the same license, but they will be OSS all the same. Did you have a project you wanted to start using them in right away? Is there anything we can build sooner that would help you with that?
I was wondering something; do you have any projects that have expressed an interest in your open emoji implementation? While it's one thing to have a project such as this in existence, it's another to have it in use.
Has anyone reached out to you on this subject?
@Peter Halasz We'll be sending out surveys for custom emoji as soon as we get a handle on the standard set requests. It's currently Golden Week here so we're in a bit of a limbo work state. Still I'll do my best to have a full Friday update for everyone complete with a full review of our new emoji additions.
Can't wait to hear more updates.
Would love to see more animal emoji, especially Australian natives. Haven't received the survey yet, but I'll be asking for :quoll: for a spotted-tail quoll, mainland Australia's largest carnivorous marsupial.
The largest carnivorous marsupial in _all_ Australia is the Tasmanian devil, which would be my second choice :) :tasdevil: Some others, if you don't already have enough to do, might be :numbat:, :wombat:, :seadragon: (leafy seadragon), and :echidna:.
I could list plenty more but I only backed one, so looking forward to seeing a :quoll:. Hope the project is progressing well!
This is a fantastic idea! Weldone on reaching your goal - and good luck with the stretch ones ;) If anyone wants to see what POE has done with us... check this out! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glencooper/project-happijar-its-the-little-things-that-count
Just a heads up (not worthy of a full update) - we ran out of time today so Tohyama went with a simple emoji - :rainbow:.
@Amiga As I mentioned to Simon we will absolutely be implementing these characters and have nothing against explicitly LGBT versions. For example U+1F46C "Two Men Holding Hands" will be implemented as is, but maybe an extended set :two_gay_men: with features not leaving everything vague could be included. I can't say we'll go out of our way to implement them all at this funding level but we have promised a more-than-friends version of U+1F46C Simon so you can at least expect that ;) Since we've promised it to Simon and since there have been additional requests I'll put Tohyama on both versions this next Monday.
The rest of the emoji you listed are within the standard/popular set so they will likely be implemented anyway.
I also hope LGBT emojis are included. :two_men_holding_hands: , :two_women_holding_hands: , :rainbow: , :bear: , :panda_face: , :muscle: , :banana: , :mens: , and :womens: . Apple got a ton of press this past year by adding the first two I mentioned to iOS 6. Facebook also added same-sex couple icons. I'll donate more if you seem receptive to making these happen.
@Jared Thanks! I just sent you a message.
@Simon we'll make it into a Gem in a bit, there's a little more work I want to put into it so it can be integrated cleanly. I also want to build up the search and index functionality and adding some collision checks. Of course any contributions you provide would not go unappreciated ;)
So awesome, thanks @Jared Banyard for helping this reach it's goal.
The Github repo is looking really good. Thanks for putting that up early. I'll have to get on with making a Gem implementation.
Threw in an extra $29 to reach your goal .. Enjoy!
@Charlie Completing the set is within our reach goals. We set the base goal to 5k because it was enough to create the absolute basic, most used emoji plus a little alpha. While we'd love to complete the whole set for $5k we just don't have that kind of financial freedom. And just because *WE* don't complete the set doesn't mean others can't contribute and do so. Our repository will be open to submissions.
That said I'd just like to remind everyone we don't have any plans of using these emoji to make any money past what we collect in the campaign.
If the project is successfully funded what would be the reason for not completing the set?
Wow, these look amazing! It's great to finally see a set of emoticons (or emoji) that look this fantastic. Now I won't have to use those little yellow ones :D
@Mikael Öhman So we did! We'll fix it and re-up it on Monday. Thanks for pointing that out.
@Mike Mac Hopefully everyone who's redistributing the Apple emoji unaware they are not allowed to distribute the Apple emoji will realize this before they get in trouble and switch to our set.
@Simon George I'll be including resizing in the scripts (ImageMagick/rmagick is awesome). 64px is good to scale down from and it's the base size for every other emoji distribution we found so we just chose that for ease of use.
The originals in the Tohyama Emoji Creation Kit are a mix of things like .ai etc and there are things like individual components, not just the SVGs. In there is one file with all the faces together on a common background - changing race is as easy as changing that background but that doesn't solve all our problems as future emoji could be created that would have to be tweaked. I'm thinking of having a key color (probably define a specific pink for the base) and then have a script pick up that color and re-tint it while exporting some code at the back of the file name indicating race.
@Rei Kagetsuki Fantastic, 64px PNG and SVG sounds ideal. 16px and 32px PNG versions might be nice too, though I suppose the user could create any size from the SVG themselves.
Thank you very much, that's kind. I think as long as there's at least 1 emoji of every skin color, gender and sexuality people will be happy. Apple didn't get this quite right actually, I bet you can do better! http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/people-are-really-mad-that-there-are-no-black-emoj
Just as I'm typing this I see the backer count bump up one, fantastic! Hopefully this will get funded, as there really are no good open source emoji/emoticons. Perhaps it would be worth writing to blogs and forum maintainers suggesting they back to get the benefit of these to integrat, though it might be hard to do that without sounding like spamming.
i hope that the fruit of your project bears fruit and that more people use it, it would be a shame to see all that work go to little use.
You managed to insert the wrong smiley for :stuck_out_tounge_eyes_closed in the video (at 1:43)
@Simon George These are scaled down - there's actually some finer detail you don't get here. Don't worry, we'll be providing SVG in the archive as well. I'll have the initial set up on github as soon as time permits. I was looking into conversion schemes to easily map and properly translate to Unicode "U+...." style codes and to provide extensions for the out of bounds stuff "deco-moji" style stuff.
In general custom requests are at the $20, $40, $50 and $90 levels - but since you're part of the reason we started the project & since you'll likely be using them in something right away I'll see to it Tohyama does a special more-than-friends version of U+1F46C if we reach our initial goal. Please get your friends to chip in for the rest and for some custom new emoji. I'm sure there are a lot of LGBT themes that don't even come close to getting covered in the standard set.
Just to clarify too we'll probably be providing each glyph in SVG and a 64px png version, with a directory of symlinks reverse-mapping UTF codes (the opposite of gemoji, the code version will be the symlink and the named version will be the hard file).
I am impressed! The samples you have done so far are more detailed than some PHP forum emoticons, friendlier that Apple's emoji, and clearly more colorful than Android & Windows 8 emoji.
I run an LGBT forum and would like to use Phantom Open Emoji in it. I think it would be particularly nice if there were some LGBT emoji (you already mentioned other races for inclusion which I agree is also important). So my specific requests would be "U+1F46C: TWO MEN HOLDING HANDS" as it is already in the UTF8 spec, and possibly gay/lesbian versions of some of the other couple/romance oriented emojis.
I assume most of the Phantom Emoji will be based on and map to the Unicode spec, this seems sensible so the set can be used for a wide variety of purposes and be interchangeable with other emoji fonts. I also assume you'll be providing the glyphs in different sizes or even vector?
I'm glad you went ahead and did this from out GitHub comments, good luck!