Rollable 4 Sided Dice for RPG, tabletop and roleplay games
Rollable 4 Sided Dice for RPG, tabletop and roleplay games
3/4 inch (19mm) 4 sided dice that is really rolly and clearly presents the result on its top face, for RPG, roleplay & table top games.
3/4 inch (19mm) 4 sided dice that is really rolly and clearly presents the result on its top face, for RPG, roleplay & table top games. Read more
NEW PRODUCTION OFFER
I have added this option to the rewards. The material is silicon with Shore 80a, so its like a hard rubber. The numbers are painted on. I haven't been able to source a hard plastic because the mould thickness is up to 20mm and this causes shrinkage. Silicon does not shrink during the moulding process. The size at the diameter of the sphere is greater than the height, which is why the dimensions in the tooling image are not symmetric.
Stretch Out Rewards
This stretch out goals will be awarded if the project raises the amount shown in the reward listing
- £18500 - MULTIBALL - All multiball rewards will have extra dice, as is explained in the rewards
- £25000 - EXTRA COLORS - Add blue, green and yellow to anodised dice
I have been a games developer for years and have worked on many console games. I am now studying Economics at London Metropolitan University and have had a little time to work on my own project.
I like 4 sided dice as they are good for game design and you can do things with them that you cant do with 6-sided dice. Unfortunately 4-sided dice are manufactured as tetrahedrons and you have to throw them up in the air to use them, so they get lost, and often don't land on the table which means you can hurt your feet if you stand on them !
So I thought about making a new design that usable and looks good. I went through several prototypes and designs and came up with the design that you can see in the video and the images.
Pretty Rolly Diced
This is the basic offering - and they look exactly as shown in the picture because they are real. You can see in the video that they are very rolly and they don't have that fearsome edge that the tetrahedrons have.
This is the Damascus steel with layers of steel with different carbon content levels to create the pattern effect. These bars are hand made, and will be turned to make ball bearings, that are then cut and etched to make rare collectable dice. Its takes a little time to make this patterned steel so rewards with Damascus steel will ship a little later.
The initial color available is red. If the project stretches out then I will add the colors in the picture. If the project goes crazy and the whole world wants a really rolly 4 sided dice for themselves and another for their dog, then I will add many more colors too. Anodised aluminium would look quite close to the images, but as it is render there will of course be a difference.
The chrome is etched through to the steel underneath. By using a steel with a very high carbon content its possible to create the effect in the rendered image. Again, this is a rendered impression so the real item will look a little different, but this contrast of mirror chrome and black steel should be a striking as it is in the images.
Gold and Silver
If your a collector then perhaps the novelty of a very limited and rare item like this is for you. This is a fairly big object for a precious metal so you would be the proud owner of some chunky and pretty nuggets.
I filed a design patent and its allowed - thanks so much to my Patent Attorney Michael Eisenberg ( he's really good - you should use him ).
Why so expensive ?
I wanted to create a low cost product that as a project had a low funding requirement. After getting a view on the complexity of manufacturing the design and the actual cost of making the prototypes I had to look at that realistically.
The shape of the object requires fine and complex tooling. The coating process is a separate process and then once the part is coated it needs to be jigged for additional machine working. The minimum number of CNC axis to cut the part is 5, put simply that's the number of directions that the 'drill' needs to move to cut the part. Machines that can can do that are very expensive.
So after working with a few machine shops to work on the costing problem, the price simply becomes what works when everything is costed in, postage and taxes too.
Response to Questions
Are you really designing a game ?
This is the game and there are the regular 4 sided dice. The problem is that they are not usable in a family game like this because of the setting and age of the player. I could have used a single 6-sided dice, but that means there are no doubles, and players like doubles. I could have used 2 six sided dice, but then the number of possible moves each turn increases and that slows everything down. Those reasons aside, this game is a family game about Europe and that is supposed to give a positive and welcoming view of a country ( the EU is now a country as of the Lisbon Treaty ) that has been at war with itself for thousands of years. In May Croatia joins the union, as I am sure you know, there has been a severe conflict there recently and Dubrovnik had to be rebuilt ( its where Game of Thrones is filmed ). The other name for tetrahedron dice is caltrops and that is an ancient European weapon, so its not appropriate.
So why not bundle the game into the Kickstarter ?
The game is not finished. I have spend over 18 months of time and about $20,000 to date. That is a lot for a trivia game, but this game needs about 10 hours research per playing card as its important to make sure that the content doesn't cause offence in any of the 28 countries of the EU. The board i think is the 15th design. The rules are about 70% complete and the cards are about 80% designed. It will likely take me to the end of the year to get to the final production candidate, and that will not be with all 400 required cards. At a later date I will launch this a its own project, and later still I will make a United States version of the game. If you like the design then email me and I might add the board layout as signed limited edition print.
Can you bundle the dice to discount the price ?
I did not realise that people, such as clubs, would want to bulk buy so I did not think that there was any point to listing 10 units together. There have been several requests for this so I have added 10d4 club packs of the dice types, and I have bundled these together too.
Can you make a low cost die cast ?
Yes I think that I can add that to the project, I have tendered out some request for quotes and will have those back shortly. The reason why I did not start out with a die cast model is that I had,( as a result of being most of the way through a second degree in economics ), assumed ( yes an assumption - so sorry !) that I should not mix a short run production model ( hand made parts ) with a long run production model ( investment in plant / capital ). Now I thought about it some more and I will have that here shortly. I am sure that I can get a tooling quote for less than $2000 but I don't want to commit without certainty.
Can you add a low cost item so I can support your project ?
[DONE - 3rd/May/2013]
I am going to add die cast models. I have given this some thought and come up with a way to do this. Please check back on Monday / Tuesday and I should have a solution. i am thinking of adding 5 new rewards.
- £4 - 1 international plastic die ( no shipping fee )
- £4 - 1 plastic die - doubling to 2 die is stretch out met ( £3 international shipping)
- £7 - 2 plastic die - doubling to 4 die is stretch out met ( £3 international shipping)
- £15 - 5 plastic die - doubling to 10 die if stretch out met ( £3 international shipping)
- £25 - 10 plastic die - 1 color anodised die if stretch out met ( £3 international shipping)
Just check back in middle next week and it should be up, it will definitely be ready before next weekend.
Risks and challenges
The only problem that I can see as an issue that might arise is if the etching of the numerals into the surface prevents the dice from rolling. (if it gets stuck on one of the numerals and doesn't roll over)
With the aluminium prototypes that I have already made this does not appear to be a problem, but if this does happen then the solution is to only etch out an outline of the number instead of the whole. It will be apparent early in the production process and if this needs to be done then I will change the manufacturing method and let everyone know.
This is a cosmetic difference ( and perhaps to some a more pleasing design ) and the functional aspect of the product remains as promised and will be delivered as the final design product.Learn about accountability on Kickstarter
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