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So I read some things and it left me with more questions than answers.
What actually happened to the "Combat Update"? That was what 22cans kept saying they were working on. That was supposed to be the big next step. Is Godus Wars that Combat Update?
The last update on their website is still from June 19th of last year ( http://www.22cans.com/combat-design-progress-update-june-19th/ ). Then they started selling Godus Wars, with no indication that Godus has been updated? I added a question mark there as I really don't know. Hasn't Godus been Version 2.4 for a while now. I couldn't find a date for 2.4's release. There's no indication that any combat update has been made to Godus, so did they actually make a second knock off RTS type game instead, based off of Godus, and think that that is what people were waiting for? Who was asking for a second game that's not a God game, in place of actually completing Godus itself? *Is* Godus being worked on, as 22cans claim? Have they even been working on if for the past 9ish months?
I have no idea what 22cans are doing.
No problem :o)
And agreed: not okay at all. I've been off and away doing other things and so haven't been keeping up over the past couple of months-ish. I'm thinking nothing has changed with Godus, but I might take a look around to see.
@Acalanche ty I will give it a try ... as a matter of principle what happend here is just not ok.
Thank you for the links :)
That does seem to be their approach: just ignore/delete any such attempts to get a refund. That way they avoid any precedent that could open the flood gates.
In the absence of sending a Letter Before Action/taking Legal Action, if you so wished, you could report them to Trading Standard here in the U.K. Even though your profile says you are in Denmark, I asked Citizens Advice, who take such complaints and pass them on and they said it's fine for people outside of the U.K. to report a U.K. company trading in the U.K. Which 22cans are and do (they're registered/based in Guildford).
The direct link is here:
There's also general information about what Trading Standards do here, which I would very much suggest reading:
It should be noted, as I understand it, Trading Standards don't necessarily respond to every complaint, in as much as they they tend to react after a number of complaints have built up. So I would say the more who report them, the better the chance for action.
I am sad to report I have given up trying to get a refund.
I have written them time and time again with no response.
What a shame it ended this way.........
3 years an still not done, I so want my money back.
Thanks Hguin, I didn't know about the option to report the project and just used that. I also want a refund, the amount of mismanagement and lies in this project is beyond words.
After three years of waiting and two terribly unfinished games I want a refund. And to any backers who feel the same, you should scroll to the bottom of the project and report them for failing to deliver anything close to what was promised.
Heh, I remember when we all thought we were getting a Linux version
So Godus Wars? Anyone? Now I have 2 unfinished games neither of which match the original pitch. I haven't played Godus for ages and this latest Godus Wars debacle leaves me pretty much speechless.
I've been asking for a refund for over a year (email, forums, twitter, etc), they just seem to ignore those questions. they did at one point tell me they were working on some of the items I asked about (Wishing Well, familiars and such) but when pressed for actual details (any details) they once again went quiet.
Do remember that there is the option to report a kickstarter project for failing to deliver... Awful behaviour from 22Cans, which I had hoped might have improved with some of the change in team at higher levels...
@ Space Monkey
No apology necessary. I usually figure things out in the end... well... sometimes :o)
For example, I've yet to fully figure out if work is still continuing on Godus, as it seems that Godus Wars is a separate game or...?* I thought the Combat Update had been added to Godus and at the same time 22cans decided to 'rebrand' Godus with it as Godus Wars to try and start again, sweeping as much of the stuff surrounding Godus under the rug, but now it seems from the sudden comment "Peter has always considered Godus being two games", that combat is in Godus Wars, but *not* Godus? Godus is... oh... the *Godus* Steam page [ http://store.steampowered.com/app/232810/ ] has Godus *Wars* as the purchase for £10.99, so...
...okay, I have no idea what's going on :o) Should I read more somewhere?* Or have I already read too much and am lost in the abyss?*
Yeah, I too saw that RPS article and I can, unfortunately, well believe that 22cans would have the nerve. Buying Godus Wars "Includes the original Godus and Godus Wars", but there's no indication that Godus has been updated with anything separately and if Godus includes the Combat Update, then wouldn't it just be Godus Wars or does Godus not have combat?* Also, Godus Wars is "...[at] the lower purchase price of the main game...", so Godus is still the main game?* What's the point of Godus Wars as a separate game, if not to try and pretend to start afresh, hoping no-one would notice?*
Somehow, 22cans still thought that they could add paid extra content (was that the point of Godus Wars?*) on a game already paid for in Early Access, that used to be a game also in Early Access that was never finished even though people had already paid for it, or could be a separate game still in Early Access, that may or many not have had an update from the 'new' game... what am I saying, I still have no idea what's going on. Despite what I said about 22cans having the nerve, this does seem to be a new low.
The "free update" is also just the continued development of Godus. They haven't finished the game yet. Surely, a free update can only happen once a game in actually complete. It seems a continued resculpting of events is occurring, much like the landscape in Godus, with more still likely to come.
* all questions rhetorical, unless you happen to have any answers :oD
Yes, sorry Avalanche, for some reason I seem to have posted my comment here while I was planning to post it in the last update comment section. My updated reaction was not only to the news about Godus Wars but also the fact that it was announced as free but asks you to pay to unlock a second continent - that's something I discovered this morning by reading
and I still can't believe that 22 Cans has the nerve to pull something like that... I think I might even have preferred to simply never hear anything new about Godus rather than having to be reminded of it with this, which only adds yet another layer of insult to injury
Just figured out that you were referring to a positive comment you made in Comments section of the Update that I didn't know about from February the 3rd [in case people missed it as I did: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22cans/project-godus/posts/1481897 ].
I'm... I'm not sure I have the energy to read the Update. Since it opens with "Today, we're excited to announce that next chapter in the Godus franchise..." and even *that* aggravates me, I think I might need a cuppa* first :o)
But I agree with what you said. 22cans have just ignored/deleted anything refund related, so I doubt they'll start taking responsibility now.
At some point, they might even say people can't get a refund for Godus, as it's Godus Wars now. And I'm not even sure if I'm being facetious there :o/
* = cup of tea :o)
Probably read that instead of reading this :o), but in brief-ish, people below talking about the existence of Godus Wars and the like were right. It seems those who have Godus on Steam get 'Godus Wars' free*, but as has been pointed out, it resets the very negative reviews on Godus, but also added paid for content. This wasn't anything extra, but the next continent, so if one wanted to keep playing [don't laugh, it's possible ;oP ], one would have to pay $5 and keep paying to keep playing. This from new-ish 22cans CEO Simon Phillips:
“In the mean time, its been brought to our attention that the extra content being a premium add on really isn’t a popular choice. Whilst we think that it does represent good value, especially considering that Godus Wars has been delivered as a free update to hundreds of thousands of users and the lower purchase price of the main game we understand previous Godus owners frustrations with this.
Therefore, based on your feedback, the extra content will be available to all free-of-charge
Apologies for the frustrations and we hope you enjoy playing.”
So the charge has been removed, but seriously 22cans, what are you doing? Godus was still in Early Access, so shifting to another game - also in Early Access - and then charging people extra for an *Early Access* game, when you haven't finished the *first* game is... does Simon Phillips really think people were 'frustrated'? Charging more money in the second unfinished game? People paid for Godus and the time spent on the much hyped Combat Update, seems to have been put into a rebranding, to recharge *everyone* to keep the game going.
For crying out loud. How can it be "good value" to pay more money, when you haven't finished the first game yet. A game people paid for several years ago.
* Note: this does not seem to be anything like a good thing. A "free update" to a game that has not been finished is just continued development. Slow, torturous, tangential, development.
@ John A [ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22cans/project-godus/comments… ]
Hey John :o)
Yeah, no surprise on the deletion. 22cans:- 'Lalala we're not listening'. We now seem to be in yet another phase of... whatever one might want to call all of this. I've yet to even read the Molyneux interview that Allan posted. Are you going to try... a carrier pigeon next? :o)
Nevermind, I take back my sort of positive comment from yesterday. I can't even start to understand how you possibly thought that including micro-transactions while shoving this thing in our face by telling us "it's free, aren't you happy!?" was a great idea and the right thing to do for us backers. I had changed my mind about the legitimacy of that 1st question in the RPS article - you know what, now I know the clear answer to that, and it's not nice. If that's where things are going someone should have considered retirement more seriously. This whole story should end with refunds honestly but given the level of ethics at 22 Cans I can't see that happening
New interview with PM on Eurogamer
Hey where is our refund now you've utterly abandoned trying to make the game you promised?
They promised us our Acorn. They said they wouldn't make the same mistake they made in fable. We never got the Acorn.
Will they ever combine the two game engines though? Combined they just about are keeping to the original promise (only by the skin of their teeth though) but I highly doubt they will be able to do it.
What a shame, truly one of the most disappointing kickstarters I have ever backed, and I've backed some real turkeys!!
So, Godus Wars? That isn't the persistent multiplayer game that I backed...
Acorn? exclusive Godus Wishing Well? unlock code for an exclusive GODUS god power?
Hello, I am still waiting for DLC such as Acorn and statue etc
Please give an update
According to SteamDB there is a game called Godus Wars; steamdb.info/app/422420/subs/
Anyone know what this is?
January 2016, 3 years late. I wish someone would pick up this IP and make the game that was promised.
Still no news on this game? Shocking, truly shocking. There has been no progress on this game for as long as I can remember. I only bought this for the multiplayer "Jupiter" sized world that Mr. Molyneux spouted on about. The fact that we haven't even got a single player game, nevermind the "Jupiter sized multiplayer world" 3 years later is disgraceful. I don't know how you sleep at night Mr. Molyneux, you should feel ashamed with yourself.
@Avalanche 22cans have deleted my second support request asking for a refund. Stunning.
So. Estimated delivery of a finished project: January 2013. It is now December 2015, and on the loading screen of the PC version it states it is still in beta, and only around 53% complete. Does this mean it's going to be December 2018 before the "version 1.0" is actually released and no longer early access?
Also, I decided that I would start a new game today through the in-game menu. Imagine my surprise when I started a "New Game" on the Homeworld, only to find that it didn't actually start a new game, just reset the land to default, kept all the expansions that I had already obtained and cards unlocked, and left me in a situation of having to start my civilisation from scratch again, yet needing wheat to build anything beyond the very first two huts! Sure I had gems that I could use to buy it, but if I pressed "New Game", I was rather hoping for a new game, not just a reset map
Years ago I was hopeful and uninformed. Now I see this is just another Molyneux cycle game. Big promises, little realisation and him slagging off his last game. Well Godus is dumped and he has slagged it off and the Kickstarter.
They got their money and mostly dont care anymore. He got his paycheck up front and we got half-assed game later.
Feels naive to have had any hope for Kickstarter if its not simple hipster product. You live and you learn I suppose.
For those still wondering about how bad things are, some like the game, but... it's nothing like what was promised. And it's still in Early Access/Beta, even after all this time. Looks like that will continue. And the PC version is more akin to what seems to be the far more important mobile version of the game. With both playing like a mobile game.
The last *progress* Update (I don't know about game updates - maybe as Larry Barriere said, they are still coming out) on their own website ( http://www.22cans.com/latest-news/ ) is from June 19th, but a more recent one was posted on Steam on September 11th ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/232810/ ). Why they didn't update their own website I do not know, as do I not know why they haven't made any updates about the game at all (that I could find) in over two months. Their forum is pretty dead, although the Steam forum seems to be more lively, but then I think the Community Manager left 22cans, so things may be a bit more unchecked there. But there were no answers that I could see regarding many recent questions, so I don't know if they even have a moderator there.
Some/many may have missed the news of the Art Book Reward thing coming out https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22cans/project-godus/posts/1374278 , so I don't know if that's been taking up people's time, but I would have thought that independent of the actual game. No idea how many people are working on the game now though. I don't know if the Combat Update is still on the way, but really, anyone's guess is as good as mine.
The progress is so slow, that I'm not sure how long things can realistically grind on for. And things have gone very quiet again. Annnnnd the Christmas break is not far away, so...
...but their Twitter account ( https://twitter.com/22cans ) did say "We've been recording new audio for the Godus Combat update!" but... but... is anyone still reading what I'm writing? :o) It's been pretty much a year? since the team went down to two people and everything imploded and coming up on three years since the estimated delivery of January 2013. The additional nine months it was estimated to take to finish the game have passed, so for those who are still interested, it's could well be a while longer. At some point though, I think it will have to be time to pull the plug, or maybe the game will just fade away. It seems it will take much more than a Combat Update to get the game anywhere near what it was described as.
@Colin. Technically there are updates via the steam client. But yeah, they've been somewhat lacking lately. Hopefully they're still actually working on the game.
Just wondering did they ever fix this mess of a game? Last I heard it was thrown to a team of three people after Molyneux got his money and no more since. Obviously I'm not going to bother to waste more of my time finding out if anything actually has changed, just curious.
Thanks for the answer! Nowhere.
Where is Linux version?! Where?!
Agree with you guys, I'm still waiting for this game to be finished
I had forgotten about this, but was interested to see what they'd updated on here... which is nothing.
Everyone is entitlted to a refund btw. From Kickstarter's Terms Of Service that was applicable when this project started:
Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
So unless they do this then Peter M. has basically stolen 17184 people's money. The only part of my pledge that was satisfied was access to the Beta.
Clicked on here to see if any recentish comments as had totally forgotten about this game. Looks like I should of left it forgotten, is it really that bad? Unfortunately don't have much time for games lately. If anything I can at least thank 22cans for teaching me not to back video games as they will be available for quarter of the price once they hit steam. Except for Elite, that was totally worth it, hopefully Star Citizen will also eventually prove to be another exception.
Just in case, I should say that my comments about people not seeming to have done anything about getting a refund wasn't a criticism. Just an observation. Despite getting a refund, I didn't even go through the courts. I think it would be easy to say that a Letter Before Action would prompt 22cans to refund and if not, then the Small Claims Court really isn't as scary or as big a deal as people might believe and a judgement would subsequently be a court matter to enforce etc etc, but the fact is I've never actually done it myself, so I don't really know.
I do get that people just don't want the hassle and even the stress, but I am still a little surprised that no-one has taken it further. Maybe Godus' dragging on and on, with the continued assurances about it's completion has led many to wait. And many just wrote it off or even forgot about it and just can't be bothered. Which, again, isn't a criticism of people :o) only a major criticism of 22cans. Or at least those who made such a decision to not offer a refund.
As I'm just £15 down it's not worth it. Even if I managed to get judgement against 22Cans, I'd then have to find some way to enforce that judgement.
@ John A
Are you insinuating that your request was deleted? Does that seem like something 22cans woul... oh... nevermind ;o)
Yeah, as far as I'm aware they just don't respond to anyone. I figure they're relying on people not taking things as far as going to court, which seems to be something that people just weren't/aren't interested in doing. 22cans already have the money, so... short of court, they're just going to keep it.
It's been a while so I thought I'd check in. Still the same, I see. If anyone is interested, my request for a refund via 22cans' help desk system has "disappeared". Big shock, I know.
Interview with the new CEO at 22cans.
I don't know, but Public Relations addresses can be rather hit and miss.
A while ago, I contacted them from the "Created by 22cans" link above and right. And then the "Contact me" link. I only got a copy and paste as outlined here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22cans/project-godus/comments… , but at least it was a response. After that, I replied, again asking for a refund, but received no response. I went another route, but unfortunately my guess is that you would need to be *very* persistent, if you wanted to pursue it. At least, you might be able to get an email address out of them that they respond to.
Having said that, it may not have been that long since you sent the email, but I thought I'd comment since I was here :o)
This link might be useful. It contains a lot of links and information about what is known, past experiences with Kickstarters, advice and the like. You may have seen it before, but... just in case:
Make it of what you will. Or not :o)
Well time told already but there are still people not listening to the roaring sound of failure. Just a short flashback: Peter left, the studio got reorganized, goals have not been fulfilled and so on. And the game by itself is still not a go(o)d game, more a clickfest to try to do stuff, you'd actually like to do without having to work your ... off.
Tried at firstname.lastname@example.org but so far no response.
Time will tell I guess:)
Have you tried to get one?
I would love a refund since this is clearly not happening.
Careful what you say, my comments were deleted for asking for a refund.
It's a shame as I have always been a true fan of Peters past work. Magic carpet, dungeon keeper, black and white have been my favourite games over the years. I can't even look at this game any longer due to the mess that is endlessly tapping bubbles. Very disappointed on how this has gone and if 22 cans had any decency they would issue refunds and mark this as a failure, brush themselves off and build a truly great game that will save Peters name. It would be a travesty if this ends as his legacy. I hold him 100% responsible for how this has turned out. Shame on you Peter.