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I'm in for the new KS for this deck. The art is so great and if nothing else I want to support the artist, as he was partially responsible for the charges getting filed in this case. I may be a fool, but I feel like it's the right thing to do for me to get closure on this. I have a lot of good KS experiences and this is one of the few rotten apples.
Having carefully read the article, I personally feel that pledging again is a mistake. Pity, I'd have liked a deck. But buyer beware on Kickstarter!
I wonder if a couple hundred impatient backers retweeting this would get someone's attention: https://twitter.com/Ed_Nash/status/263760513907961857
A nice article with all the details on this and the new campaign (there's also an hidden bonus!): http://www.maxplayingcards.com/en/2015/05/01/the-dark-side-of-kickstarter-a-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-back-to-asylum-deep-interview-and-promotion-for-readers/
Roman Kotiv (the artist originally working on the project and scammed too), just put online a new Asylum Deck campaign with a special pledge level for the original backers. If you're interested: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/891191024/back-to-the-asylum-playing-cards-by-noirarts-npcc/description
So 6 weeks or thereabouts to go now? I'd be interested to see more if someone can put up progress reports on that here please? I'd also be willing to provide a statement/comment to anyone involved too.
In 7 weeks, plus or minus a few days, Ed Nash gets to go to court for this Kickstarter. Here is hoping that he loses that case or decides to not take it seriously and does not even show up.
Nash is an incredible disappointment to date. He probably wouldn't be so vilified had he just kept talking to people to let them know he was doing something, but then again he decided to go with plan A: Ignore it and hope it goes away. What a jerk.
I have a few outstanding projects and one solitary new game title I trust in, and then I'm done with KS. Ed Nash is still on Facebook and Twitter - check out @Ed_Nash
Bored and checking on the status of this thief's project.
Yey KS and their total lack of responsibility...
Bummer about these cards. Ed Nash can eat a dick.
Same old responses from Kickstarter. You would think with over $1.5 billion they could afford to reimburse victims!
And if you think about it, KS Admin told us to wait, to see if the creator would eventually deliver. Surely by doing so, they are party to this loss? Because we waited, as they suggested, we then exceeded the 105-day post-transaction period Amazon work too, for payment refunds.
Therefore, KS Admin are as much to blame as Nash.
@ kickstartmyheart - no, nothing heard from KS Admin in addition to the replies I got for my complaints. Reaching out? I don't think so. Their complete disinterest and lack of real effort has proven to me that they run a shyte ship & I will use other crowdfunding platforms.
As for that stain Nash, don't forget he's on Twitter still: @Ed_Nash
Received the following email from Roman Kotiv, the person bringing Asylum back.
Roman Kotiv says:
Thank you very much for your question regarding Asylum project. There were a lot of backers, interested in that deck but it was never printed and delivered. Because of that we, together with original project designer, come up with idea to bring new, improved Asylum to life.
Since basically it’s a new project, and we and are not affiliated in any way with previous publisher - Altius Management, the question “what to offer suffered backers” is still open. We would appreciate every thoughts and ideas about that. How do you see it?
Notice the very bottom of this update I just received.
How do we feel about this?
And How is this going to turn out for all of us?
He's not replying no matter how polite you are. Kickstarter is not doing anything to help. This is the reply I got from KS in response to my recent quiry.
Me: It's been 2 years, I still have not heard a response from kickstarter the last time I contacted them in regards to this project. I'm pretty sure I'm no the only one who has reached out to the creator and heard nothing back. He said the cards were complete. he even asked for our addresses so he could ship them. That was mid 2013. He even admitted in an update that a colleague spent the money for this project on a different project, (fraud and embezzlement)? How does that not violate your policy? Patience is one thing but this is absurd. What is going on with this? Thank you.
Kickstarter: Thank you for following up with us about the status of the Asylum project. I don't see any other previous emails from this email address, so I apologize if you wrote to Support in the past without a response.
I’m sorry to hear that the creator has not done a better job of communicating. We've reached out to them with a reminder of their obligations to their backer community, in addition to having forwarded along your concerns and those of your fellow backers. While we're disheartened that they have not yet updated you and other backers on the status of their project, we're unable to force them to do so. It's the creator's responsibility to communicate and complete their project as promised. In this case, it doesn't look like the project will ever be completed.
We expect all members of the Kickstarter community to act with honesty and openness. When we find that people are abusing the system or the trust of others, we do not hesitate to suspend their account or restrict certain account privileges, like launching another project. We have a dedicated Integrity Team that monitors our system and reviews reports that we receive from our community. While we can’t speak to the nature of specific projects that have been approved or declined, we’re constantly working on improving our vetting process for creators and we are grateful for the feedback that people like you provide.
Backing a project on Kickstarter is an expression of trust. Backers pledge in hopes of helping a creator bring their idea to life. This interaction can lead to the creation of new and exciting things, but it’s also important to remember that sometimes complications might arise that prevent a project from unfolding as planned, or even from happening at all. This isn’t ideal for creators or backers, but we hope that both parties will try to communicate with each other through these developments. We’re sorry that this hasn’t been the case with this project, but hope that you’ll continue to back projects that you’re excited about.
Did KS reach out to you other backers with my concerns as they said they would in regards to this project?
I'm really hoping to see the lawsuit come through and make it clear that Kickstarter is NOT a place for scammers like Ed Nash or others.
I'm also hoping to see Ed Nash being accountable for this scam
I reported this scam project a year ago, kickstarted did nothing.
@knockman, is he actually refunding? It's only $25.00 but there are several local charities that could use that more than I could.
Reported this several times now. KS Admin do sweet FA about it and have no interest in getting involved. KS is a shambolic set-up an there are far better crowd-funding sites out there now who do take an interest in proper conduct and good service. You won't get any joy from them.
Instead, see Ed Nash's Twitter below - pop him a quick reply asking him for your money back.
Everyone at least go click on the "report this project to kickstarter" button on the bottom of the main page and then post-funding issues. It has been over a year and in my last post from sept 19, I list his violations. Might want to do it once a week, after a month move it up to every day.
You tell em Joseph!
HAHAHAHA Good luck with that SJ, this project is dead and our money is long gone, we were all suckers and too many times now!
Does anyone have any idea as to the status of this project and if it will not be fufilled how we go about getting a refund? Thanks.
It appears Ed's twitter is no longer private! You might want to go say hi.
Just dropping by to tell Ed Nash to go fuck himself.
Id be willing to wager, nothing.
And Amazon only gets 5%, KS gets the other 5.
Past that, they were paid for a service.
Hosting the project, and moving the funds.
So id bet they have no legal obligation at all.
Any legal types here? What is Amazon's liability when they have received 10% from each of us for over $2500 that they have kept and seem fine with not helping here. Also does the credit card company used have any recourse?
Just thinking a loud.
I've politely requested an update from Nash and still nothing. according to the new updated ToU, he has failed in every category.
•they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
•they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
•they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
•they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
•they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
He has not even attempted to communicate what is going on and a year ago he requested all of our information so he could send us the decks at least in "good faith". A year ago! He even said the money was spent on another project by a colleague. So how do we take legal action?
As far as updates, it looks like the court case isn't being presented until 06-22-2015 Seattle Time. I could be wrong but that is just doing some searching at Washington Courts website here (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm…).
My response: https://www.youtube.com/watch…
I agree. I really liked the cards. Would it be possible to contact the artist?
If you see him on FaceBook, he's out playing golf. And no - never got anything back of any substance from KS Admin, just the usual whiney 'we-can't-do-anything' nonsense. Piss poor all round and once the other KS projects I have come to fruition, I shall depart from this.
@Magnus, I agree the money doesn't bother me nearly as much as missing out on what looked to be an awesome deck of cards. :( Oh well
Whatever Ed, you're an @$$hole.
What really, really, REALLY irks me is that the card samples shown were so bloody gorgeous.
Nearly 10 weeks on from my last visit here and unsurprisingly nothing heard.
Nash/Polchlopek is still out there tho - on Twitter and Facebook - and looks like he's still enjoying his cigars.
And I've sent another Ticket into KS Admin, not that I expect anything substantive or positive from them either. They were happy to take a slice off the top - and it seems, just walk away. Ho hum.
We just hit the one year mark of Polchlopek ignoring this project. He must be busy "working on fulfilling" this project.
looking forward to updates on lawsuit - another uk backer
There were tons of backers investigating the life of EDWARD J. POLCHLOPEK, III AKA "Ed Nash" and his company Altius Management, especially after the artist reached out and told us that he never got a cent, and the US Playing Card Company said that they had never heard of the guy.
Some of the many results from various blogs/social networks were gathered (although this is an incomplete list)
This is the information given to me by the disgruntled FB group member.
where i have to sign to be refounded in case of lawsuit success?
I'm so glad I checked on the status of this project. I also live in Washington state. Very sad we backers were taken advantage of so I hope this lawsuit sends a clear message.
It seems I had forgotten all about this and just discovered comments about a lawsuit. Is there any update on this? How do people from CA get involved in this?
Any new information you can give us backers?
Any updates on the lawsuit?
Pledged $26 for two decks to come to the UK. One was going to be framed and hung up in my hallway.. I've moved house twice since this project ended... Fingers crossed something good came of the lawsuit!
Must say I completely forgot about this one...!
Such a shame ars@_+fk#@s like Nash take advantage of peoples good nature like this.
Lost only £10-ish on this one so I guess I'll put it down to experience rather wasting my time by chasing him. Guess that's what he was always counting on though...
Really feel for the Artist too. The artwork really did look like dynamite.
So is there no recourse for us Canadian backers?
REFUND OUR MONEY.
Well.. I'm in WA state. I don't know if I'm one of the 31. Tho' I am interested to see how this turns out.. Definitely a precedent for future KS fraud. (Hopefully ending in a good precedent) Especially where I have had a decently amount more invested, than this one *cough Airborne in your Pocket cough* - Yes, it's faith in the project, and getting burned happens. But at least in the ones where it is straight up fraud (not ones, that legitimately try, and fail. For example), it would be nice to at least make KS campaign creators think twice before going in w/ fraudulent intentions.
Well, good news about the law suit. I read through the whole thing but I couldn't determine whether this will help the international backers as well. Could someone enlighten me, please?