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An all Dwarven RPG in which you create, defend and fight for the honor of your own unique Clan
An all Dwarven RPG in which you create, defend and fight for the honor of your own unique Clan
509 backers pledged $35,038 to help bring this project to life.


So here's the thing. I screwed up. I started a game company and proceeded as though the cash flow and production speed would keep pace. They did not. I’ve tried to keep you informed and up-to-date, but most of all I’ve tried to deliver on expectations. So far, all you’ve seen are delays and broken promises. I take this situation very seriously.

The long and the short of it is that Cairn and Axes and Anvils have become troubled projects. We are out of money, due to some poor decisions on my part. People have asked for refunds I can't possibly give them.

Some 40% of RPG Kickstarters fail, their sponsors simply disappearing with the money. Good people don’t ever see the projects in which they put their faith, and they don’t receive refunds. That number haunts me. That will not happen here.

Cairn could use more work to make it what it should be. I was rushing to get it out and turned in some inferior work. I just wanted to get something out the door and into your hands. Axes and Anvils has suffered because I was thinking like someone running a company and has too much going on at once.

We have discussed ways in which to get something into your hands – maybe ashcans like the old D&D White Books. It’s not the finished project, but it lets you see what we’re doing and lets you start playing with it as soon as possible.

I believe in these games. I will move heaven and earth to get it out, and into your hands. Every promise made will be honored – every tankard and every last stitch on every last plush. This company and it's products will NOT be numbered among the 40%. I and everyone involved in the project are completely committed to that notion. All I can do is be completely honest with you, and ask you all to forgive my my stupidity and bear with me as I make it right.

I tried to salvage the company with my well intentioned, but poorly received, IndieGogo campaign. I see the point of the people who objected - I was not an effective custodian of your investment in the first place. Why invest more? An excellent point. All I can really say is my goal here has nothing at all to do with money.

Case in point - one of my bad decisions was DwarfCon. We didn't have the money or manpower to mount a first year Convention. Based on optimistic projections of where I thought we would be it seemed like a good idea. I shut it down and took a big hit. Because my first priority is the people who supported the idea I'm mounting NonCon instead. For free. A way to try to make good without asking for anything but your moral support.

Moving forward, I am searching for ways to fix these problems that don't call for anyone to invest further or take a leap of faith. I may try another IndieGoGo but this time for a complete in-hand game. Not a promise. A product. I will be working as hard as I know how to dig myself out of the hole I find myself in. My heartfelt thanks to everyone who has been patient and understanding.


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      leperkhaun on March 27, 2013


      im not asking for just a rough draft then call it good. Im asking to see a WIP (work in progress) to demonstrate that they have a product in development. Im not asking that that would be the final deliverable. Showing the backers a WIP would be a good faith effort on the part of Mike to demonstrate that they are working on the project, that at least some of the money was spent on the project (and not his company), and that the general game is there.

      This is not a case where Mike said, Hey folks, writing this is going to take longer than i thought. Or im having trouble hiring a layout editor so the project is going to take longer than expected. This is seven months after the project that the money is gone....poof there is no more. I would like to see what HAS been accomplished with that money, hence putting out a WIP so people know that things are still going.

      I suspect that there isnt a decent WIP. Even without money Mike can still finish the project by himself. It will take longer, wont really have art and such but thats fine. What is not fine is finding out that all the money is gone and there is nothing to show for it.

      Anyway iv basically written off ever getting a product out of this, much less the full amount of things I paid for.

    2. Cruxador on March 27, 2013

      Damn shame when these things happen. I commend your dedication to getting a product out, but for those of us who were mostly pledging to make it exist rather than get all the paraphernalia ourselves, perhaps you should send out a thing to see if anyone would want to downgrade their reward to something more easily manageable to you? I'd be down to take just digital even though I initially pledged for physical. Of course, I reckon just me would be a drop in the bucket but if there's more folks that are down with it, perhaps it will help.

    3. brumcg on March 27, 2013

      This will be my final comment on Axes & Anvils. I no longer care nor do I think I'll ever see anything usable. I've requested a refund even though I realize it's a futile gesture.

      I find the decision to not do any sort of reporting of the project spending to be appalling. That leads me to believe the money wasn't used for this project... and Cairn's wasn't used for its funding. Be transparent even if people aren't going to like what they see.

      The insistence that the rewards will be delivered - somehow, some way - doesn't make any sense. Without another infusion of $30k (assuming the estimates were accurate from the start), it's not going to happen. That's 3000+ PDF sales at $10 each which are unrealistic numbers.

      Worst of all, though, is that this experience (and others) has guaranteed that I won't back other projects in the same way. Lesser Gnome Games hit that nail right on the head.

      Good luck to the folks who have faith, and good luck to those who are going to stay and fight the good fight.

    4. Balgin Stondraeg
      on March 27, 2013

      New update.

    5. Balgin Stondraeg
      on March 27, 2013

      Speaking of interim steps have any of you guys read the ne wupdate he posted?

    6. Gary Beason on March 27, 2013

      @Lesser Gnome: Well said. If Mike and others have actually been working hard on the core document as the Feb 18 update claims, then there should be something to show fairly easily, however rough. Unfortunately, all we're getting is more of the same earnest, vague promises and excuses. I can't fathom refusing to break down the status or to account for the money to the people who gave it. As others have said, we don't need names. Most folks have asked for simply a description or draft of what's been done, which Mike refuses to provide. This isn't a request for plans but for concrete status. Right now, all I see is evasiveness, not honest communication.

    7. Kennedy Gerber on March 27, 2013

      Of course it's everyone's right to complain if they want but I'd rather wait a little longer and have some definitive information/see a more finished product than see some random, likely unfinished draft. Honestly, at this point, there's nothing he could say to satisfy you than your package is in the mail. I personally think going into financial detail at this point is just going to make the complaints/outrage from some of you worse. Folks are already pretty indignant from today's mia culpa, enumerating the mistakes will just exacerbate things, so what's the point?

    8. Matter on March 27, 2013

      @leperkhaun - I don't disagree with your basic premise in the slightest, and am also disappointed that this is where this wound up. My point was simply that, let's say he posts something, and it's not to your liking for whatever reason, then you'll do what exactly? Nothing, because there's nothing that can be done. You can't ask for refunds; KS is not a store, there is no guarantee of anything being delivered ever, and if people weren't aware of that, then it sucks to find that out in this manner, but it's the reality. IMO, given that there's nothing any of us can do one way or another, it's not a great use of his time to bother messing around with some interim step that many of us won't find useful, and I'd rather he spend his efforts working on the "final" product, whatever that looks like at this point.

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      leperkhaun on March 26, 2013


      I dont agree with you. The fact of the matter is that he asked for 1000 to make a small niche RPG. He raised 35k. Even accounting for the actual cost of a barebones RPG ending up being 10 times what he planned, thats still a third of the total of what was raised.

      Dice, minis, t-shirts, tankards...etc. Those are extras. What I am concerned with is that even with the large amount of money he does not have a decent draft of the game. its one thing to go, hey guys i ran out of money so getting extra things will be hard for me, and another to say, I ran out of money and I dont have the game even remotely done. Or going, hey I wont be able to have guest authors work on this so im going to have to write it all, or go hey all this is going to be light on the artwork...etc.

      To have 35k go poof....with nothing to show?

    10. Balgin Stondraeg
      on March 26, 2013

      Great. Now I just find out that Mongoose lost the license to continue reprinting the Lone Wolf books. I'd paid for the remaining 19 books in advance and they're offering "store credit". Right after they've got rid of all the product lines I might have actualy been interested in.

      They owe me about £180!

      What a rubbish week this is turning out to be. First Mike finaly admits he's blown the money away and Axes & Anvils is in dire straits (mostly because it never seemed to get any work done on it as he focussed on other projects) and now I find another wonderful dream crushed. This really isn't my day.

      I'll just have to hope Joe Dever and the good folks at Project Aon can do something decent to make up for the Mongoose mess. As for A&A the Stonefather and Earthmother alone know :(.

      What I can share is that Mike recently asked us Thanes for more information for him to include. Not much yet. Just a few little soundbite sized nuggets so it looked like things were really moving after the long silence (at last). So perhaps theer's hope yet. A golden glimmer at the end of a tunnel. Or maybe it's just an orc holding up a mirror to reflect the party's torchlight.

      Yes I know I posted in a much more positive mood earlier but I hadn't then been hit by the double whammy of disappointment. The disappointments aren't massive. Mongoose hasn't done anything on Lone Wolf for ages, we haven't seen any signs of progress on Axes & Anvils since that first playtest document really. So I was expecting to hear bad news about both projects. But not on the same day. And one of those projects has been very close to my heart for about three or four years now so it hurts.

    11. Matter on March 26, 2013

      Not to be an apologist for the creator, but I think asking him to post what he's done so far, or an accounting of where the money was spent, is pointless. It either exists or it doesn't; it will either be delivered or it won't be; he either spent the money where we think it should have been or he didn't. Seeing this stuff isn't going to prove one way or another any of those, and in fact will probably just alarm people who aren't used to seeing how the sausage is made.

      The reality is that there's nothing we can actually do at this point other than hope for the best and offer whatever support we care to. There is no way to get refunds, and chargebacks would only ding KS. The reality is that we funded based on the promise of a game, and, although it sucks, there was never a guarantee of delivery. KS funding is filled with inherent risks, hence the KS-required risks section at the bottom of every project.

      I'm not saying to stop complaining, knock yourself out, but I'm at least still hoping to get something out of this project, and would prefer that if the creator is going to keep working on it that he spend time moving it forward rather than wasting time on things that don't matter at this point.

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      leperkhaun on March 26, 2013

      Here are a couple things from me.

      1) I want a breakdown of where the money went. Now i dont need to know 1000 went to Such and such artist, or 2000 went to specific editor. But i would like to see something like

      1000 - Proofreaders
      2000- editors
      5000 - other authors
      6000- artists
      1000 - layout editor

      this way no names are given, but we can see where things went. I have a guess that you cannot account for the full 35k going towards this project.

      2) PDF of A&A. Doesnt need artwork. It does not. Does not need fancy layout. Put what you have into it and publish it to your backers so that we can see you have something. My guess is that even after 6 months you do not have anything that can be put into a PDF and look remotely like anything was done.
      I would suspect that after 6 months you should have a rough draft already. Give us that. After you have the rough draft spruce it up. Not with artwork, but fill in the fluff and such, and republish the PDF.

      3) I honestly cannot imagine a way you can fulfill all the rewards like you have promised. T-shirts, tankards, patches these all cost money to design, much less actually manufacture. Since you are out of money.. i dont see how you can do this.

      4) I suspect you knew you had problems well before this. I do not like how you failed to let us know.

      Now i will say this. I am lucky I can afford the fact that I will never see a product from this KS. I will say this. I backed at the level I did on your name. I had figured an industry vet wouldnt have any issue publishing a decent niche game. I wont be making that mistake again.

      I am letting you know that if I do not see a repectable PDF soon (this week, before the weekend) i will be asking for a refund.

    13. James A on March 26, 2013

      Is the book in any shape or form to be released even as a unedited and no art PDF so that the backers can see that something is there?

    14. Lesser Gnome
      on March 26, 2013

      Ok this is my final comment here. Print the entirety of the WIP documents as a PDF now and make them available tonight. Scan them if you have to and as John and others have said put them on Dropbox. I honestly want to believe you can deliver what you say, but I want to see it. I have spent the whole day on my own 60+ page final draft breaking it down into page elements so I can layout the art I which I have already paid a known artist good money to get and my Kickstarter isn't until June. I could print everything in 45 secs to a PDF and I really think that you should do it.

      At some point 'I am a bad manager' becomes indistinguishable from 'You have been had'. You seem like an upstanding guy faced with a terrible situation. If that is the case take the 3 mins to share the drafts with us, in a near a nearly complete state that one would expect a draft that is at least 8 months old to be. If I see that, as I stated previously, I will be an enthusiastic backer. If it isn't forthcoming I will be forced to accept it doesn't exist and all you have to show for $35k is a very public attempt to ruin Kickstarter as a platform to publish the work other creaters (ahem, me) care about and spent months toiling over and spending our own money on. I guess I will know soon enough. I am sorry to be like this but this is vastly more expensive to me than the $80 bucks of mine you spent on something.

    15. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Reid - working on a plan of action - I will have something by Monday - hopefully before then.

    16. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Stephen - Thanks so much. I am not accepting money from anyone for anything. I will however be selling a card game soon the profits of which will go directly to pay bills and get stuff to backers. Please keep an eye out.

    17. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Kobayashi - Understood which is why I have to try extra hard to prove you wrong and turn this around for you. I know - show don't tell. I hear you loud and clear. Challenge accepted.

    18. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      RE: Refunds - I am in no position to offer them. You can request them, but in doing so you are making it even harder for me to make good. I will do my best to honor those requests but after I do what I originally promised. Delivery first - refunds after. I hope that makes sense. I understand why some people are reacting like I posted "This Project has Failed - no product will be Delivered- No Refunds Given". That is not at all the case. We have been working hard on this. It is real. Significant resources have been invested in creating it. It is coming. I just wanted to be straight instead of trying to stall. I hope that was the right call. I believe that it was.

    19. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Daniel - Fubar is a good word for it. Being faced with Fubar I have two options - accept it or try to turn it around. I will not give in and give up. Will not. Simply not an option.

    20. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      RE: Post Mortem of Expenses - I understand the frustrations here. I have taken responsibility and said right up front "this is my fault - my bad decisions". This does however involve others and there are business dealings in that are unresolved so I am not going to post a breakdown. All that will do is illustrate that yes - I am not a good manager. This is NOT a Post Mortem and I am NOT asking for money - I understand that my poor custodianship makes that an unreasonable request. This is NOT an announcement that the materials are not going to be delivered - I will absolutely be making good. This is an announcement that there are issues that I am dealing with and an honest and direct as possible explanation of what they are.

    21. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Redfuji6 - Precisely what I am doing. Because I am talking to others I can't say anything yet - I'm all for transparency at this point but its not mine to say. As soon as it is I'll update everyone. A plan is what is needed. A practical strategy. One is on the way. I realize that many of you will believe it when you see it - understood and accepted.

    22. Mark B on March 26, 2013

      Mike, I appreciate the frank and honest assessment of where things stand. I will take you at your word and await further results. There have many who have provided good input today; I hope their wisdom helps you achieve your goals. Good luck and may you find your gaming muse.

    23. James Yee on March 26, 2013

      I'm with John and the others. Just release a PDF of your "Work in Progress." Take what you have no, "print to PDF" or what have you and share it on drop box with us. That would go miles to getting people to believe a bit more. :|

    24. Ryan Jarrell on March 26, 2013

      1) I applaud and thank you for the honesty, though I can say I am somewhat disappointed at the seemingly upbeat updates we've seen.
      2) A full transparent accountability of the funds would be appreciated, but I do thank you for hinting at the severity of the situation. The small print of all crowd-funding investments are all about associated risks.
      3) Digital rewards should be paramount (personally the PDFs and the T-shirt were all I pledged), but most people that crowd-fund understand the risk all these investments hold. I support you for your stubbornness and persistence and I hope we see this not only as a finished product, but something you 3 as creators are proud of accomplishing.
      4) In an effort to regain trusts I encourage you to remain open to scrutiny and continue any form of updates on a regular basis.

      Good luck to all.

    25. John Billings on March 26, 2013

      You need to re-establish trust and transparency by issuing a statement of accounts detailing where thirty-five thousand dollars has gone, without so much as a PDF to show for it.

      I am pleased that I am only down $10, and I truly pity those who pledged at the top levels.

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      Andrew Byers on March 26, 2013

      These kickstarter projects have tanked because of all the extras. Forget about all the extras -- the tankards, the stuffed animals, the con, whatever else -- and really focus on getting supporters PDFs of the finished books. That's all you have to do right now. As the author, your time is free; artists, layout guys, editors, cartographers all need to be paid. PoD printing provides a very low-cost option for eventually publishing paper copies of the books. But PDFs, if they are quickly forthcoming, will demonstrate a good faith effort on your part and, I suspect, might stave off the massive number of credit card chargebacks you are about to be swamped with.

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      Kobayashi on March 26, 2013

      This is just another proof that without a publisher breathing down their necks and giving them a deadline some authors just don't have what it takes to actually publish a game : like you know, being able to balance a budget (mainly additions and substractions) and getting the work done.

      " I will move heaven and earth to get it out", just start with basic arithmetics and learn to use a spreadsheet, heaven can wait...

      I'm very disappointed, to say the least. At that point I don't give a damn about your promises, you've already proven you don't have what it takes to fulfill them.

      I have not given you pocket money and all you can come with is the same discourse the bankers used after the last crisis :

      "Whoops sorry, lost the money, won't do it again"

      Just to make myself clear : I didn't pay you 40$ +5 $ to get a lousy PDF so you can feel good about yourself.

      An I can't get a refund because you obviouly don't know how to make a very simple substraction.

      When my hardcover edition will finally get out in 2016 please send it to a veterans hospital, a school, a library, anyplace where it will make people happy.

      I'm not looking for anything with your name on it and will strongly discourage the people I know from backing your future projects.

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      Redfuji6 on March 26, 2013

      @Mike,as others have commented on, i think an inventory/assessment of each project and its individual components as to their status would be valuable to you in making a plan/prioritize what needs to get done.For example if you have no money for shipping then physical products are not an option at this time. Come up with a plan. Have a third party look at. Be REALISTIC on what it will take. Be TRANSPARENT with your backers. Leverage your industry contacts,backers and the material that has been created.

    29. Keith & Diana on March 26, 2013

      So, uh, how much further is the book? The book was the main thing, right?

    30. Lesser Gnome
      on March 26, 2013

      Myself and a few others requested a rundown completion of the individual elements of the backer rewards. I am a little disappointed that the three creator replies after these long (and polite given the situation) were not even giving a passing acknowledgement. I really want to be enthusiastic and I can be beyond patient but I think the earlier concerns should be addressed. You can started with this one, is any of the original funding from Kickstarter left? Is there any reason you cannot post a PDF of the rules as they stand now apart from you do not want to? I am not interested in pretty layout, I do want to see how long and how well edited they are right away. If they are well-written and decently edited and of appropriate length I will feel much better and happily support your future endeavors. If this cannot be done then I have to just walk away burned by this one. Let's face it: writing is the cheap part and spending money is easy part. I just want some evidence and documentation, if I see it great. If not, well, not so great.

    31. E&S Guttridge on March 26, 2013

      With every misstep, the path forward comes further into focus. I'm keeping the faith and look forward to the finished product. Thanks for the communication and everything. If you have a paypal account or something, I'd be glad to send along a few more bucks if that'd help.

    32. Reid San Filippo
      on March 26, 2013

      My question still stands, what needs to be done to finish A&A? If you cannot answer the question, that puts me soundly in the "I want a refund" group.

    33. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Martin - understood completely.

    34. Martin Ralya on March 26, 2013

      @Mike I appreciate the sentiment (and your acceptance of the blame), but how things have gone thus far doesn't inspire confidence in your ability to deliver on it. I hope you can.

    35. Kevin Flynn
      on March 26, 2013

      Produce the PDFs, show you are real and have a complete product, then work on the rest.

      You can make a bit selling the PDFs to fund the rest.

      Personally I am doubting you will come thru, but at least this will show us one way or the other.

    36. Kennedy Gerber on March 26, 2013

      I also second the notion that we might be willing to help out with artwork and such. Certainly I would be willing to do so.

    37. Kennedy Gerber on March 26, 2013

      I'd say get *something* done, so you can at least get the rules to backers to tide them over/regain some money on pdfs/whatnot, then refocus on the additional goals.

    38. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      I will restate. "Every promise made will be honored – every tankard and every last stitch on every last plush." A White Box version would be something extra - something to get to you sooner rather than later.

    39. Martin Ralya on March 26, 2013

      @Mike Thanks.

      If there are possibilities up for consideration, you should make the options transparent and let backers weigh in on them. A "White Box" version wouldn't have kept me backing the campaign, and wouldn't get my vote unless it's to be followed by the sort of book that was promised, for example.

    40. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      RE: The $1,000 Mark - There was indeed an original goal posted of $1,000 and yes, if that is all that was raised a $1,000 book could have been produced. What developed as the campaign gained momentum is not a $1,000 book. One of the possibilities we are seriously considering is releasing the "White Box" version sooner rather than later. That would be something we could have done at $1,000 although the art that will go into that will be worth much more.

    41. Martin Ralya on March 26, 2013

      There are a lot of things about this update that bother me, but I'll focus on just one: the original goal of $1,000, which could reasonably be expected to mean "We can publish this book for $1,000." You raised $35,000.

      Even if all $35k is gone, which it sounds like it is (and that's a whole other level of WTF), why can't the book still be published for $1k?

      Obviously fulfilling all of the many print copies and extra rewards for 500+ backers won't fit inside the original $1k, but if the book can't be published for $1k then that original number has always been fictional.

      So can the book be published for $1k, or was that number fictional? Because if it's the latter then that raises doubts about many aspects of this project (and your others), and if it's the former then the start of the solution to this hot mess is finding that $1k and putting out a quality book.

    42. Nigel Phillips
      on March 26, 2013


      I backed cairn and axes and anvils fairly heavily, and since I missed infinite dungeon I added in via paypal $25 to get a PDF of that too
      I have enjoyed the ideas so far: got me painting Dark Sword animals as Christmas presents, and running ad+d first with a dwarf slant. Ok not $500+ payback, but not nothing.
      If this community can help with ideas editing artwork etc- just let us. Lots of skills and experience here
      Personally I suggest you finsh ID first, and issue work in progress PDFs of the others: we can help polish them
      All the best

    43. Kennedy Gerber on March 26, 2013

      So long as you're doing your best, that's all we can ask.

    44. Kennedy Gerber on March 26, 2013

      No problem here. Thanks, Mike, for being so honest and up front about all this. Hopefully things get back on track/everything works out. Been patient thusfar and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

    45. S.D. on March 26, 2013

      NonCon can be beers with Mike running a campaign scenario for attendees, at a low-cost venue or public place.
      Yeah, better transparency from this point on would be great, good, bad, or ugly. I've learned that when it comes to Kickstarter, there really is no such thing as a "good surprise" (except in one case where the project creator sent the backers not one... but TWO desktop wallpapers).
      I'm not sure if I require weekly status reports, but it wouldn't hurt. Stonehaven minis has sent out an update every Wednesday for months until delivery with a very few exceptions (one time it was bumped to Thursday, and also updates stoppped for the painted minis tiers, who are only seeing their dwarves this month). Some of their weekly updates were only a small paragraph! But it was regular, comfortable, and helped us feel clued-in whenever a snag was hit.

    46. James A on March 26, 2013

      I really hope that you have communicated all of this to the people pledging money on your indigo-go campaign " Build the Castle" apparently there you can get physical copies of all the books for 60 dollars

    47. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      Brian - I hear ya and that is the plan I pulled the plug in the con because of the resources it was chewing up. This "NonCon" thing eats 0 resources. It is an event to give something to the people who olanned ti attend the con.

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      Brian on March 26, 2013

      Mike, here's the thing. All we want is what you promised. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop following failed cons with more failed cons that will do nothing but eat up resources. Give us a weekly update on what you are doing to make good on your promise. Instead of looking at the big picture, make a list of what needs to be done and make it as complete as possible, then start with the first thing on that list and finish it before you start the next. Pretty soon you will get some momentum and things will get done. Again, all we want is what we invested in. Communication is the key here - if you keep us informed and finish the job, you are likely to have learned a valuable lesson in management and maybe will have an opportunity to redeem yourself with the next KS you do....

    49. Mike Nystul 5-time creator on March 26, 2013

      RE: Delivery - Some people have posted things like "given up" and have asked if I intend to deliver I want to be very clear - I will deliver. Somehow. If I have to write them out by hand - I WILL deliver. Nothing I have promised is being withdrawn.

    50. Jackson Starky on March 26, 2013

      The PDF rules, that is. Oops.