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Now he's attempting to collect more money from people:
Here's his take on his obligations to us (which, from his own words, shows that he has no intention on making good on his debt to us):
So Chris, here is the thing. The Kickstarter thing was a disaster on many levels. One of the problems is once it failed and my personal as well as professional finances were trashed I had no resources to do much of anything to move forward. I lost everything. Not asking for sympathy here because it was the result of my bad decisions and miscalculations but i had nothing left and at one point was literally homeless. I pulled down that Indiegogo campaign you mentioned not long after it went up (I collected nothing). It would have been going down that same road, a profoundly bad idea (and in some ways in bad taste). Patreon is a different beast entirely. First, it is meant to be used to support a creator not a specific project. If you like what I'm doing - awesome! Become a Patron and we are both happy! If you don't - don't. The other thing is I went with the "only collect anything when I post" model rather than straight monthly. That way, if i produce nothing - nothing gets collected. There is no way for me to "fleece" anyone. The Patrons have complete control over things like monthly limits and I encourage them to use them. Going back to your original issue, yes, the Kickstarter issues were huge and horrible and I am very very sorry about them. They do not represent my entire career though and my choices were never do this kind of work again or find a way to do it as above boards as i can. People will forgive me for the failed projects and accept the arrangements I was able to make to try to make good or they will not. At this point all I ca do is do better, yes?
I'm in Austin for business for the next couple of days if you want to personally hand me my $40 Mike.
Here's to hoping that someone will resolve this fiasco:
While I appreciate Andrew Shield's efforts, Mike's lack of ANY effort to honor his failed Kickstarters is nothing short of criminal. I've backed two projects to the tune of $155 and, to date, have gotten nothing other than the incomplete "ashcan version" of the Infinite Dungeon, Andrew's Axes & Anvils playtest rules in pdf, and some other pdfs with minis that I can print out and create.
It's clear that he has time to post of Facebook, attend gaming cons, and back Kickstarters (with $$$ he could use to reimburse us). How can it be that he has no time to actually work on fulfilling his obligations to his financial backers?
I'm in Austin for business next week if you want to personally hand me my $40.
Hey all -- I couldn't let March 2015 pass on by with no comments!
I'm in as well. Please file your complaints backers. Mike has to be held accountable for his theft of backers' funds.
Thanks for posting this Luke!
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I noticed that Thomas Carrasco over at Infinite Dungeon wants to start a class action law suit, I want in. I did not back Infinite Dungeon through Kickstarter, I backed through paypal and cannot comment over there. I do not know how to contact Thomas Carrasco. If anyone over here wants to join in and backed that project too please spread the word. Hold Mike Nystul accountable.
Mike Nystul is a thief, between his three Kickstarter projects he has stolen over $75212 !!!! He's gotten $250 of my money across these 3 projects. I don't even really want the money as much as I want him to be held accountable for his crimes. He really should spend the rest of his life in prison !!!
I'm thinking about a lawsuit to get my money back, any one else interested?
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WOW, this project has become a wasteland, people have even stopped commenting about how much of a fraud and thief Nystul is (rise from the grave).
Oh the comedic train wreck value is priceless. It may even have paid for my paltry investment ten times over. However it's also worth reminding Nystul that the situation could improve if he had the balls to make the tough calls.
Kevin - I'm definitely not in Limbo as far as this project goes. The only thing I've expected for a good long time from this project is continued comedy. But then, I only backed at $20 so its probably easier for me to be more philosophical about Nystul's abject failure.
So... We're still in limbo. A state Nystul said was unacceptable at the end of last month on the Infinite Dungeon kickstarter. I think it's time to make any choice. Sort it or abort it. No more excuses, prioritising campaigns that other people have already taken over. Get this in someone else's hands, start posting meaningful content or issue refunds. After two years of feck all making that basic decision should be easy.
Before I put much thought into how they would be created, I wanted to establish that I was going in a workable direction. As for who can use them, for the Battlestones that's anyone with Enchanter skill. For the other objects, as described.
Very cool, Andrew. I take it that Battlestones, Honor Vessels, etc. as Upgrades for the Enchanter class, like the Healing runes, Generative runes, etc.?
Thanks Andrew! I really wish this project would fall under your stewardship so that we'd at least see SOME progress with it.
Estimated delivery was November 2012. So, to celebrate the 2 year anniversary, I thought I'd share some initial (unapproved) draft materials I made for enchanted weaponry.
Since it's obvious that you have nothing but excuses to offer us, please release the art, maps, and files that you have for this project so that your backers (Andrew Shields in particular) can work on this project in your absence. Waiting for you to make ANY progress on this has been both frustrating and baffling to me.
I see from your profile that you had the money to backer 34 projects on Kickstarter. At the same time you have utterly failed to honor your obligations for the 3 Kickstarters you created. Maybe you should sell off some of your gaming library in order to start issuing refunds.
Mike at this point I would like a refund
Sorry to hear of your medical problems Mike! Get better man.
Sorry guys. I spent a couple weeks in the hospital and have been home from work with medical issues. I'll need to update soon. No - there is nothing sitting and waiting to ship. This was a failure that I am hoping to find a way to make good on.
I'm not trying to dog Nystul, but it's disappointing that a serious suggestion doesn't get a response. It makes me think that Update 31 implied more than was true and that there aren't minis. This is one reason I requested a couple of times for a list of what was done and ordered--to get a fair idea of what I and others had paid for might be accounted for, especially since I didn't buy the extras like patches and mugs. Even if I had to pay for shipping again, I'd take my minis and runestones from the Collector's Edition. I think we have a right to know if something we paid for is actually sitting in storage somewhere.
Blowing in the wind along with pics and 80k from multiple failed kickstarters. Astounding really. My favourite part is that Infinite Dungeon is going to be tackled first. Latest update is that "We have a plan". You know it's bad when the Battlestar Galactica finale has more substance than Nystul's ideas.
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind the answer is blowin' in the wind. ;)
How many kickstarters must a man fail to deliver, before you can call him a thief?
666 mother f'rssssssssssss!!!!
Mike, in update #31, you stated that you had the dwarven minis. I don't know if you have the stones and dice as well. I realize there are also the mugs, tshirts, calendar, and patches, but if you have some of these items, would you consider sending what you have. I realize the shipping costs are an issue since you don't really have the money, but I'd rather pay shipping (all or part) and have the items than wait for all the money and other items that I didn't order to be available.
I don't know if others feel the same, but it might be a way for some to close on this, get something of what we backed this project for, and move on. It could also give you some relief and progress.
Happy funding anniversary! 8/11/2012! Cut ye olde cake-e with ye battle axe
Gary - not quite accurate. Mike is an excellent producer of snark, excuses and comedy. I will concur that his ability to produce anything of _value_ has been and continues to be remarkably absent.
Let's face it - he's a fraud. He cashed in on a name that has some nostalgia attached to it, then squandered every cent and every ounce of good will attached. His only real skill is selling snake oil. And nobody on this project or anything else that he has any amount of control over is ever going to see a single thing.
Folks are probably aware, but D3 Adventures has given back the Infinite Dungeons IP back to Nystul: http://d3adventures.com/wordpress/…
So, there's one thing back on Mike's plate that someone else was going to fix. To make it worse, the reasons for it are reminders of why these projects have had such problems.
Unfortunately, we've seen little evidence of Mike's ability to produce anything--he's shown us work that others have done or mostly done. So, his having something else to do makes completing A&A even more unlikely.
I'd recommend that Mike compile what all he has for this project, offer it to the backers, pass along the IP to someone else to continue or to the community, make plans to send out what backer rewards he has (which still isn't clear though he says that he has minis for the ID project, so who knows what he has for A&A).
That way, we can close this, and everyone can move on. And I say that for Mike's benefit as much as anyone else's.
There's a little writers maxim that might apply here. Show, don't tell.
Hardly. I take it very seriously.
Well at least we know how seriously you take fulfilling $35,038 worth of pledges.
Will you marry me?
Well, its been about a month - isn't it time for the latest excuse/promise/lie?
Wow. I haven't come back to check updates in a couple of months and I see this has turned into the Kevin Johnston show. Well, we can't say that he isn't trying to keep this project honest, at least.
I rolled a 2. Hey, you produced a game quicker than Nystul. Find a publisher before he does and you win!
GM: Roll a d6
1-2 Snarktastic comment
3 Unrelated rambling comment
4 Patient and supportive comment
5 Drunken comment
6 Roll twice and combine both results
Hey now, that's unfair. Kickstartmart would eventually deliver what was promised.
Seems entirely appropriate: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/kickstartmart
Gary made a great list. I would add the pocket mod character sheets I made, posted in update 60:
You don't have to use them, but they are fun little booklets that have enough information on them to really get the game going faster (especially if the prepared GM folds them in advance.)
What can I say? I'd like to do more.
Seems promising! I'm honestly too damn lazy to try and make sense of this jumbled mess! It's not my job really. Even if I had the Deluxe book, it would be a while before I got 'round to actually using the game, as I have 'stuff to do'. I'm not backing any more RPG's. Both the ones I've helped fund, have failed to produce anything, at least Tunnels and Trolls refunded my money. They at least had a ton of PDF's they sent to us. There are ,what 168 hours in a week!?! How many would it take in two years to at least half assed throw together this thing. Hopeless......
All the files are still available in previous updates. I have everything Mike has made available either here or through his Castle Nystul forums, including PDFs with adventuring and skills cards that someone else made. (I made an editable version if anyone is interested.) It takes some scouring, but there are a number of items available to help you play a game with the rules that Andrew and Mike released last summer.
I would also *highly* recommend Andrew Shields' "Mountain Roads" adventure: http://goo.gl/YUzqSl and his GM-less version: http://goo.gl/bYBdtv
I also posted a PDF of a character sheet with a rules summary: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2063410154/axes-and-anvils/comments…
#58 has a link to the preview document. You can find some additional fluff/background info in later updates.
#54 - Link to paper minis
#43 - Map image
#35 - Links to a very early version, character sheets, and a roles upgrade doc. I think the later preview version in #58 is far better than these docs.
#64 - Dwarven heroes draft
#63 - Dwarven culture/families
#61 - Dwarven life/time
I wish Mike would at least collect pieces like these and make what we have more easily accessible. Mike seemed to dismiss community contributions in his earlier comment. If I were serious about getting the game at least as-is available, I would round up all these bits, even if by others, because altogether, there's a playable game here. Yes, the preview version from last summer has some holes, especially around the clan, but Andrew really helped to produce a playable doc, which I've used for some initial playing. I love several ideas, but it's frustrating that we don't have anything more due to a lack of focus, even before Mike unfortunately lost his job and had his health issues.
Instead, we get these nebulous "I'm trying to get back to work on this" updates.
Does anyone still have the playtest documents or anything that Nystul actually produced? I have a mind to finish it myself as some sort of curious self flagellation ritual. If I ever do finish it you won't hear from me again, as it presumably summons the Cenobites to take me away, which is arguably a better excuse than anything we have been given.
That still doesn't excuse abandoning this project, especially when someone else has the reigns on Infinite Dungeon.
Either suck it up and do it or take this zombie horse out back and put it down for good.
I didn't say that I had a publisher - I had a lead on a possible publisher - still do - two actually. I have been making inquiries and trying to figure out any ways to make good from the moment my now clearly misguided plan failed and it was obvious I would have to find new ways to make good. I'm not sure anything will come of these leads. Odds are, they won't pan out but I will keep looking. In general I don't mention these opportunities in Updates to avoid misunderstandings such as the one we have apparently just had : )
This is nothing but an excuse. We have been told repeatedly that the game was finished or close to finished, with miniatures or tankards or conventions coming. The last three are bust, gone, flushed down the toilet. What of the close to completed game?
Frankly this whole do everything in order idea is pathetic, once again confirming that nothing was done. Nystul lied and robbed us all, then for his sake I hope he blew it on drugs and hookers, give him something fun to remember to motivate him.
Remember when we had a publisher lined up? That was an update ago. Honestly Nystul can't even keep his story straight anymore.
We're told no more excuses, only reasons. Then you come up with an excuse to ignore Axes and Anvils for even longer. It's sad. Just admit defeat, let it die and issue refunds.
Obviously. being "sad" isn't an excuse for much of anything (even if it were how i was feeling). Semantics aside - there is no excuse. There are some reasons - but no excuse.
You may have been satisfied with a crowd sourced Word file. I think it is safe to assume you would be in the minority. Point taken on perseverence though.
The only way to get this done is for me to simply do it and to let nothing distract or stop me. That is in fact what this recent update and approach is about.
I understand that you have very good reasons not to believe me but peoples anger and disappointment are among the things that I be an obstacle to me.