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Hey GroovyDad, seriously, go fuck yourself.
Dude, your anger, frustration, and irrational ommunications is all on you. I just called for calm and clear heads and you freaking verbally attack me. I'm guessing that you're an adult but you're acting like a psychotic little child that screaming and yelling because he doesn't get to play with the toys when he wants to. I am also waiting on the collector's edition and the hint book. But I'm just going to ask again and let's discuss this in a civil manner and not use vulgarity and threats. We can actually get along but you have to try man.
You have no idea how long I tried to be nice before I became frustrated.
Hey GroovyDad, go fuck yourself. If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't even have an update.
Thank you Steven, we are all very excited to get the physical goods to the game. And we all know that you have been going through a whole lot in the past year. Sometimes we forget that other people have lives, ups and downs, successes and tragedies. And you especially have had those in droves in the past few years. I know that it gets frustrating waiting on that collector’s edition and guide book. But in the end and to us backers including eXo, it is just a box to an awesome game. To you it is a part of your passion and your life. Don’t let the angry mob sway your actions and life. You have come a long way doing what you wanted to do and accomplishing more than most. Hey eXo, honey works way more than salt man. I know you are frustrated but please man. Calm down because we are all in the same boat.
Hey Guys, obviously I haven't checked this comment section in some time, so I apologize. eXo has contacted me on other venues and informed me of this, so I'm by here to try and respond to you.
I will be posting a much more detailed update in the next couple weeks, hopefully with pictures and such to help assuage fears, but I promise you - your packages will come. I understand people's frustrations here regarding the physical rewards, and honestly, it's a big black spot on this for me - as I'm proud of the team's work on Quest for Infamy. I think we created a great adventure game, and I'm proud that we created and finished it. Being held back on the physical rewards is something that weighs on me, and definitely adds to my personal stress. I do want you to know that I care, I'm not some guy who is laughing at you or running away - you will get your items. I'm sorry about the delays, I've had many things holding me up. I understand why eXo is so mad, and I'm doing my best to try and take care of things. Again, if anyone wants to talk to me personally about anything, you can send an email to email@example.com and it'll reach me. I check my email often, sorry about forgetting the comments section. You are important to me, please know that.
For those keeping count, Steven has been claiming since September of 2015 that items have been sent out every week. At one point he claimed he was sending about 3 packages per week.
Basic math says that there have been 69 weeks since October 1st, 2015. At 3 packages per week, that would have been 207 packages.
There were 174 backers who pledged for the basic physical DVD.
68 more backers pledged for the special edition DVD.
148 backers pledged at a tier that would include the big box.
At 207 packages, every single backer who supported at the basic DVD level should have received their item, as well as nearly half of the "special edition" dvd backers.
And yet, not a single person in the comments has ever claimed to have received anything.
Meanwhile, over in the dozens of other adventure game kickstarters I have backed, backers are quick to post pictures of their goods and share news that they have received their items.
Steven however claims that everyone who has received items here must not be posting about it. He is lying about shipping and then pretending to place blame on backers for not posting about the packages he hasn't actually sent out. How delusional is that?
At this point I am moving forward with legal action. Considering the amount of money I have tied up in this project as well as the other kickstarter, it pushes it out of small claims court.
My lawyer will be contacting kickstarter and requesting a list of contact emails for all backers who had physical items in this kickstarter. He will also be requesting a list of all backers in the other project who either had physical items or had pledged for the undelivered game, Roehm to Ruin.
At that point backers will receive an email encouraging them to join in a class action lawsuit.
Unfortunately Steven is not going to have much time or money for Disney World anymore after all this is said and done.
Steven is too busy going to Disney World and posting to the disneyworld subreddit to actually provide an update.
This is what he has been spending his money on. Look through his reddit posts and you'll see he has been several times in the past year.
So no, there are no health issues. If there are money issues then it is because he is spending it on stuff like this. And meanwhile, the co-CEO of this game, Shawn Mills,actively blames you, the backer, for their failure.
Seeing as how BT refuses to comment on the topic anymore we will never know.
We made his game a reality and we can't even get a straight answer. Everything said up to this point is extremely suspect.
It must be difficult to put those dvds Into those bubble mailers and send them.
If he is not going to send them why just not say so. At this time there really are no excuses (except maybe health related).
I'm only waiting on a standard dvd copy of the game. How many January's must come and go with the promises of "sending out soon"?
Time is excusable. Totally ignoring the project and all comments, messages, emails, and forum posts in regards to it isn't.
As Fidel Dahan would say : "Dis is taking much time"
Agreed on all levels Martin. I've positive he isn't happy with the situation. On the other hand, he doesn't seem to be tackling it either. Honestly, I'm afraid it's something deeper, such as depression. Which can be difficult to deal with by itself and without an overwhelming task on top of it. Some of the signs are there, such as loss of a loved one, having a child, and his company folding. And I hate the idea that if that *is* the case, I am contributing to it be being so forceful about this. On the other hand, ignoring the situation and just giving him time hasn't done any good so far. And the notion that something like depression may be involved is a total assumption on my part, and I could be completely wrong.
So I try to walk the line of being understanding, but not being a total pushover and getting railroaded here.
I've read about the bigbox mainly being an issue and at least some DVDs and single books were sent out.
I don't know what it really is that it takes so long. Also I'm pretty sure he isn't happy about this situation either.
I have no problem waiting longer. But I think it would be better for him to be able to send all this stuff out as soon as possible so he can finalise these two Kickstarter projects, freeing him from this burden (note that he should bear in mind that even then he will have to deal with returned packages etc. for quite some time).
Now he has begun to ignore the forums on his own website. He hasn't responded to the thread in question since December 13th. He has ignored the PM's I sent him as well.
And yes, I am an "impatient brat" because I have question\frustrations over the status of something that Steven himself said would be shipping over a year ago. SO, by that logic, anyone here who has ever expressed frustration or dismay in the process is an "impatient brat".
At this point, Steven doesn't care. He doesn't care enough to update. He doesn't care enough to find a simple solution to sending out the games. He has lied about how many games he sends out per week (hint: the truth is closer to zero than 3). He refuses to give proof he has sent anything out. And he doesn't respond to messages, PM's, or posts wither here or on his own website.
I've read that one thread in the forum (http://www.infamous-quests.com/forum/index.php…) and a lot of what eXoScoriae said (here and there) is reasonable.
That said, I still have hope that I will get the packages eventually.
@eXoScoriae: Some basically called you an "impatient brat" and "childish", there are people... unbelievable.
So I've been posting actively over on the IQ forums.
Unfortunately it is more of a hostile territory over there. Ask where the boxed game is and you are immediately called "entitled" among other things. Then you'll get several people telling you that Steven is "doing everything he can" and "trying his best". Which, if they believe that, is really just sad.
For those of us waiting on the big box, Steven still maintains that he is afraid to send them out because they will get crushed. I, and others, have given several suggestions on exactly how to send these out. It's not really a huge mystery. eBay sellers ship large old school PC boxed games every day.
I've yet to get a response as to *why* a priority flat rate USPS box isn't a proper solution here.
Occasionally he mentions it is time consuming to fold boxes. Or other various excuses. Honestly, when you add it all up, it really just seems like he checked out after they realized they wouldn't be making any more games.
I brought up legal action (for which I was called entitled, lol) both here and on their forums. I was not making it as a simple idle threat. Nor did I bring it up lightly or out of nowhere. I, like many of you, feel that the amount of time we have been patient does not jive with the lack of updates and the continual excuses provided by Steven. It's not like I just jumped to legal action. It is very literally, one of only two options I have left. After all, I can either continue waiting, or begin legal action. I'm not aware of a third option here.
As for me, I'm sad and I'm disappointed. I pledged for a big box here as well as on the OotT and RtR kickstarter. I did that for two reasons. One, because I wanted to support a group of developers who honestly seemed excited about what they were doing. Two, I wanted boxed copies of those games to sit on my shelves alongside all the other games I grew up loving.
Since then there have been some major changes. The group of developers has disbanded, and possibly even left the third game unfinished. The few who are left no longer seem excited about any of this. That in turn changes the meaning behind a boxed copy.
Now I have to ask myself, do I want a boxed copy that (if I ever receive it) simply reminds me of a 2 year period of excuses and disappointments?
I'd encourage every one of you to take your thoughts, complaints, frustrations, etc over to
There is a thread there about not receiving your boxed copy. You are much more likely to get a response if you put it in a place that Steven can't easily ignore.
Still no physical copy in my mail ...
Steven, this has long since ceased to be an acceptable delay. We are now several YEARS past the point the game was released, you've released SEQUELS to the game, and those of us who put up the money to make it possible have not gotten what we were promised in exchange for doing that. There is absolutely nothing that can justify this level of delay- if it's taking longer than you expected to pack things up by yourself, then you need to get help. You are EXTREMELY lucky that nobody has decided to turn this into a class-action lawsuit against you. Given the number of pissed off people in these comments, you're pushing your luck with that.
Any update, Steven?
Another two months (!) with no news at all.
1) "People who have gotten their items probably aren't checking this site any more, or the comments"
People love to share. So they would proudly post what they got. So this is crap.
3) "I will post another major update when more items are going out."
Can you say WHEN this UPDATE will happen? And WHAT it will be look like?
Please DON'T do another "I send 100 packages".
If you want to be transparent share a list of backer names with the date and items you've sended them.
4) "When I said a "few" DVDs and companions, I didn't mean a couple - I mean close to 100"
Again, transparency would be appriciated.
Who got what and when?
How long did it take you to send out the 100. A month? A year? More?
Last message from you "sending it to you" was May - 7 months ago.
"I had sent out a few Big Boxes that got damaged in the process, and I want to avoid that for people in the future. This means extra time and effort on my part."
Again, no one shared a pic of a damaged box - interesting.
But even more, you shared this 'story' a year ago. So it's so hard to find a standard big box for shipping world wide? I don't get it! But I get big boxes from the US to Germany every two weeks in a standard parcel box and none was damaged so far.
I like, I really do. But this still stinks a lot!
Until you have actually fulfilled the terms of this kickstarter, you owe it to every backer who hasn't received what they paid for to check these comments.
This is the page where you raised sixty three thousand dollars. This is where you should be responding to people, without them going months at a time without a response.
Hi - sorry, I don't often check the comments here anymore, at least on a regular basis.
1) People who have gotten their items probably aren't checking this site any more, or the comments, so this is why they aren't chiming in. This is my estimation.
2) Yes, I did not commit a specific date to you, Exo, because - as I asserted on my forums - I had done so in the past, with the best of intentions, and ultimately that wasn't met. At this juncture, I will not give an absolute date that people will hold on to, because I cannot offer one at this moment with any certainty. I just don't want to make a specific promise that will be held against me later.
3) You will receive your items, it will just be a matter of time. I will post another major update when more items are going out.
4) When I said a "few" DVDs and companions, I didn't mean a couple - I mean close to 100 of those. The DVDs and Companions, as individual items, go out in bubble mailers, which are much easier to fill and to send out. The Big Box packages are sent in assembled boxes, which are more complex to put together - and packaging up everything that goes in the package is time consuming. I had sent out a few Big Boxes that got damaged in the process, and I want to avoid that for people in the future. This means extra time and effort on my part. As I am the sole person doing the packing and sending, I have limited time to make packages among my other responsibilities. I'm not saying I have NO time, but yes - I have limited time right now.
5) Since I check this section infrequently, if anyone has any questions, you can visit our forums as Exo has notes or send an email to info at infamous-quests.com and I'll be able to respond to you personally and quickly.
Thank you. I love that you're mounting a revolution, but I am really not that hard to get ahold of if you need to communicate with me. I really don't think any Youtubers would bother with this little project - being that we did complete and deliver the game. If they really did, they can contact me as well.
Today I messaged BT here, posted here in the comments, tweeted to the IQ twitter account, and posted in their forums. I did get a response on the forums, so I would encourage all folks here who are frustrated to move the discussion from this comments page to the companies actual forums.
Ultimately, BT admitted he had never gotten around to sending out those copies he promised back on Oct 27th, but claims he sent out "a few" dvd's and hint guides.
I plan to continue moving forward with legal action, however that will likely only encourage him to *maybe* send mine out. It doesn't do the rest of you much good.
The irony is, even with the threat of legal action pending, he still couldn't commit to simply getting mine out.
I'm thinking getting the attention of a few well known youtubers to cover this might help bring some pressure in.
I have not received anything either. If anyone had received a physical copy I'm sure they would have posted the update here. I'm under the assumption now that we will never see any physical copies.
To be clear, I'm not excited about this. I have had a ton of respect for Steven and his contributions to the adventure game community. We share several friends from various other projects, and I opted to back him both financially and with a large campaign among the online communities I am involved in to promote his projects.
At this point however, any respect I had for Steven has since been drained by repeated false promises. There is patience and then there is ignorance. And I do believe I would be ignorant to continue holding out hope after he specifically promised to have mine in the mail (with pics & receipt) 2 months ago.
I have sent a direct message to Steven with this same sentiments.
After reading the posts since then, I have decided to due Steven personally.
I had to do this with Neal Stephenson over on the Clang! kickstarter as well. Lets see how much time he has for this when he gets court paperwork.
"I'm sending out some tomorrow (Friday) and I will specifically send your packages. I'll send you guys receipts and pics via PM tomorrow afternoon."
For the record, I got no PM and no box. That was a month and a half ago he promised to send one to me specifically, as can be seen below.
What is the excuse this time?
Unfortunately not and there seems no one to have received a game so far or at least no one reported to have got one. I still can't understand why BT is doing this to us? If really there will be no shipping then please tell us as hoping for nothing is the worst.
I never received anything except empty promises (neither game nor hint book).
Now I learned that at least one hint book as been sent out and I would tend to think this is very inappropriate and rather discriminatory behavior.
Usually no one gets anything or everybody gets something and why does only a handful of people (probably those who are in close contact with the creator or those pestering most) get their items?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm clearly angry at the creator and not the backers. I spent over $150 for both Quest for Infamy projects (game and book) and got no physical reward at all. I'm really upset about this as I believed in this whole concept from the start and the person that was behind it and which told me since months and months I would get my game and my book...
Anyway, thanks to all the backers that take their time to come here and post their opinions and experiences. I’m posting this also in the project for the hint book and I hope more backers will join to tell if they got their items or not or if they got at least answers or some kind of support.
"I have been patient for quite a long time now and attempted to give Steven every benefit of the doubt but I can no longer say that. I have reached the point where I have to consider that shipping is not actually happening as he claims and that it is possible that said packages don't even exist. "
SADLY, have to agree.
NO ONE on FB or here EVER posted a pic of receiving a package.
But a lot have already sent out if we believe in what was told over and over again.
Last "next week 100% sure" message is again many weeks old.
This STINKS a lot and I'm done with excuses all over again.
Seems that money is lost once and forever :(
Well, over two weeks have gone by since the last post made by Steven. In said post, he claimed he was going to send packages out to a few of us, myself being one of them. Also mentioned he would send receipts, pics, and PMs. I received none of those and, of course, have not received my package. I have been patient for quite a long time now and attempted to give Steven every benefit of the doubt but I can no longer say that. I have reached the point where I have to consider that shipping is not actually happening as he claims and that it is possible that said packages don't even exist. Steven and the crew are all very talented individuals who delivered a great game as promised. But after being told personally that my package was to be shipped plus evidence of said shipping and receiving none of that, I can't help but think that I am being lied to. That we all are being lied to. At this point, I highly doubt I'll ever receive my physical rewards. I hope at least some of you do.
Right, probably because they aren't checking back here - I'll make sure to send your packages out next. I'm sending out some tomorrow (Friday) and I will specifically send your packages. I'll send you guys receipts and pics via PM tomorrow afternoon.
Steven, a suggestion if I may. Ship to eXo Scoriae or Paskarl or myself, we will then post here that we have received and that should, at the very least, let those who look for info here know that packages are in fact going out. I know there are only us vocal few who are still posting here but the fact that no one has posted stating they have received their items is concerning.
What do you expect? You've had the boxes for over a year.
September 2015 - Yay, the boxes are here!
January - I'm sending out a few each day.
April 1st-20th - Boxes are being sent every day
July 18th - Your boxes are going out soon.
I just went and added up the number of people who pledged at tiers that included the physical dvd and/or the big box. I came up with 375 (rounding up).
If you had sent even 1 game a day since they came in, you would be done by now. So your claim that you are sending a few every day is bull.
I'm mailing them out, one at a time, as I get to them - sending out a few a week. I did speak to Paskarl about this personally on FB, I only saw this message today. Packages are going out, I don't really have anything more exciting to update that to say that. Yours should arrive soon. Don't worry, in January I'm sure I'll have something new to tell you, but sarcasm duly noted.
Nope. No updates. Maybe in January we will get another update telling us about how hard it is to be a dad and a responsible adult at the same time.
ANY UPDATE ON SHIPPING 'Quest For Infamy' and 'The Quest For Infamy Companion - Art/Strategy/Hint Book' ??? :(
2 1/3rd years since the game came out and I have yet to receive my big box or strategy guide. This has long since ceased to be understandable delays.
Has anyone received their items?
BT stopped responding to any messages I sent him after I got my digital key back in 2014. Since then I have only messaged him twice, both respectfully asking for an update.
It may be for the best that IQ as a company has folded. It is painfully obvious there is no longer anyone involved who has a passion for it, or cares to follow through on their previous commitments.
Shipping is really bloody easy. You get a hard foldable priority mail box from the post office. You fold it and use the glue part to make it stick. you place a few packing peanuts or even some crumpled paper inside. You place the physical items inside. You place another piece of packing on top. You seal the box. Repeat.
Take said boxes to the post office. Mail them.
No more "monkey on your back". No more comments page filled with people asking wtf is going on.
And another month has past and no items have arrived.. :(
Thanks for the update BT and hope all will go through without any problem. Thanks to Dablue for your help as well
Why do not you back the money?
Hey Chris, no I haven't received a thing. At this point it's slowly starting to take the piss.
Has someone received physical items so far for the game or gotten the companion book? Unfortunately BT does not answer my email and there is no update for quite some time, so I want to ask the community if someone has received something so far and I'm just missing something or just being impatient. Thanks in advance for your help :)