by Chuck Brodd
Phil's Poker Cards are a deck of plastic playing cards sporting a unique, billiard hall theme and design.
This project's funding goal was not reached on May 31, 2012.
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Use this space to cheer the creator along, ask questions, and talk to your fellow backers. Please remember to be respectful and considerate. Thanks!
I am eager to get this ball rolling again too, but for now I am focusing on other projects. Some for me. Most for others. I will hopefully find some time in the winter to revisit this project and maybe introduce some others before then. Keep an eye out.
To echo Zach Raizen, I also loved the design of this deck. If you ever think about revisiting these, I will jump on it in a heartbeat. I have to agree with what David Elliott said about the collectors items; I was looking forward to the face card posters.
Thank you very much.
I certainly plan to try again. I'm going to wait a year I think before I put this one out again. Plastic cards are only recently becoming mainstream and preferred by the card playing communities. It will take a while before most consumers are even aware of them. Even then most consumers will not see the value in a plastic deck of cards if they don't play cards very often. If they don't play cards often enough they will not see how quickly a paper deck becomes useless and how long a plastic deck lasts. It will always be an uphill battle to get this project funded because it doesn't market itself to mainstream consumers. I'm aware of this and I'll keep trying until it succeeds. I may have to lower the goal and finance half of it myself or try some other method to help get this project to completion, but it will get there one way or another.
If there is ever a plan to revisit these cards I would be interested, I really loved the design!
I agree with you. I was hoping that a project like mine with a very good price for two plastic decks would bring more of the poker players to the Kickstarter community. Unfortunately it didn't, but I made no effort to advertise in their communities so I am at fault there.
I would have offered uncut sheets if possible, but plastic stock is not available for uncut sheets. I asked them and they said there is a problem with warping during shipping, so they don't offer it.
It also wasn't possible for me to just change to a paper stock after a many of the rewards were already pledged for. The cost to print the plastic is 3 times as much and the minimum quantity is higher. To change to paper would have resulted in nullifying all of the current rewards to offer an entirely new set of rewards. If I had set the project up to be 60 days and if I had not been using this design I may have had enough time to add the new rewards and hopefully delete the original rewards once they had been abandoned.
This project was never intended to be printed on paper however. The goal of the project was to print this design on plastic cards, not just print the design. I am working on other face designs with a similar back design to the original which I am planning to offer on paper stock, but this original design will be printed on plastic only or it will never be printed. I will not compromise on this for any individual or group. It is a matter of quality and not a matter of mass appeal.
I know the number of people who prefer a bargain will far outweigh the number of people who pay for quality. But those quality minded people are out there. I just have to find them and market to them before I launch this project again.
I am in no way implying that the cardists and magicians are using 'bargain' cards. I know theirs is a matter of preference for the cards which work the best for their application and that happens to be paper cards. This design will most likely not find its way into their collections unless they buy it for certain, new uses/tricks or if they buy it just to play a card game.
I do apologize for not being able to accommodate this huge group of backers on this project, but as I mentioned. I cannot compromise on quality if I plan to represent my business with this product. I hope everyone can understand and appreciate this. I do not mean to exclude anyone. I wish plastic cards would work for magicians and cardists. It just doesn't seem to be the case and that is unfortunate for all of us.
I thank you again for your advice and your support of my project. It is all very much appreciated.
Please look for a new deck soon which I will offer on paper. If you or anyone would like to offer suggestions for a new/different look or theme for the front of the cards and face cards please feel free to do it here. I will check it periodically. If I get my website up and running I will post a link here to a Work In Progress (WIP) section where your input, suggestions and feedback can be seen in action. Currently the new front design will tie together my original back design and my first design intended for paper stock. I do fear that it may stray a bit too far from the norm to appeal to everyone so I am open to themes suggested by the community here.
Thanks again to all who have supported my project and anyone who would like to offer suggestions for future deck designs or themes.
For what it's worth, I think that the real issue here isn't that the cards are plastic, but that they are being marketed as playing cards only. The market on Kickstarter seems to be more of a collectors market. People want items like uncut sheets, prints, clips, and printing plate items. Also, they want the cards to be limited so that they will be able to trade them for other decks they weren't fortunate enough to get when they were new.
Consider the Grid project. When the project started, they weren't doing very well because they decided not to make a Bicycle deck. They changed to allow for that possibility if they got enough money, and suddenly they got tons of support from the collectors market. All of the extras they added just got them more backers and money. A similar thing happened when Blue Blood and Eclipse started doing things for the collectors market.
In the end, there just aren't enough people who just want to play poker to support projects like this.
I just want to thank you all for your support of this project. It is very much appreciated. I knew from the start that this project was not going to be easy to get funded. I know the magicians and cardists prefer paper cards, so printing plastic cards meant losing out on a huge community of support. I was hoping there were enough card players and poker enthusiasts to carry me through, but not so lucky this time.
I will try again later this year or early next year. I plan to first do a bit of marketing in the communities where the plastic cards are more familiar and preferred. Hopefully this will bring not only support for my project, but another community of people with an interest in playing cards to help support all of the playing card projects here.
I thank you all again for your support. You can plan to see this project again around the 2013 mark. 13 is my favorite number, so maybe she holds a bit more promise for this project.
Take care all.
Plastic cards are great, but the price is a bit rough for magic since people usually like to have a bunch of different looking decks. I like KEM cards and they look awesome too, I think it just ends up seeming expensive because playing cards are usually seems as something that is very cheap.
Either way, I was looking very much forward to these cards making it. @Juan I see your Bicycle Eclipse deck is getting close, And your new Free Deck giveaway got me to upgrade, good idea. Hope things go well for all the decks on kickstater
I agree, I too was afraid to buy my first box of Bicycle Prestige because it was $10, but after I did, I enjoyed them alot, but it took months for me to take the risk.
I really liked your deck and hope to see it in the future in someway. Best of luck my friend.
I completely agree on both accounts. I will not even consider paper cards for regular poker play. The quality, durability and lifespan of the plastics is beyond compare to paper in this regard. Still, a lot of people aren't familiar with (or haven't even heard of) plastic cards. I was hoping to bring a little more awareness to them through this project. Perhaps in a year or two plastic cards will be more commonplace and people will not be so afraid to pay a little more for a superior product for their card games. Thanks.
Once I tried plastic cards, I've never gone back. I love them. I wish more people would realize how excellent they are.
@ David Elliott
Hi David. In short, I would say the lack of familiarity with 100% plastic cards among the general consumers and the magicians' and cardists' preference for paper cards.
Plastic cards aren't very popular with the cardists and magicians who happen to be the biggest group of backers of playing card projects. Also, most people outside of the regular card players (poker, bridge, spades, etc) just aren't familiar with them and the cost of plastic deck. For this reason, I would assume the price seems very high. In reality, $20 for a set of two 100% plastic decks and free shipping is a very nice price.
Why do you think this project isn't getting backers?
Would love to see this get funded. I love the design, and would like some good plastic poker cards. $20 for two decks is a totally reasonable deal for these.
Love the looks of these cards. Hope you get funded! I am on for two decks!
Would love to get some over here in England. Looks great.
The Plastic Card! Great Idea, I was wondering when someone was going to do this. I have a Deck from USPCC and there plastic cards do feel great. Also more like paper then the actual paper cards, It's weird, but a good weird. Wish you the best on reaching your goal. I work with Juan Below, we both Love your Design. Follow us at hiddenmirrors.com and maybe we can do a project together in the future, that be cool. Take care.
Just wanted to drop by and show some support! Nice deck. If you get a chance come check out my Bicycle Eclipse deck.
Juan G Perez
If this project gets funded over 100% but not quite to 200% I will bring the boxes back in. They have a minimum quantity requirement as well so I will have to be over 125% funded to do this now because I changed the rewards. Also, if I make it to 200% I will be printing the second color deck first which means I would need to go over 240-250% to buy the boxes for that amount. I hope to bring them back. I love the boxes. I may consider editing the video to shorten it and take my audio out. I've never done that before so we may be stuck with the long, crazy one for a while. Thanks again.
I actually would be interested in the box for the cards. i don't know if it would be possible to have the option for the card box or make a limited number of them exclusive to kickstarter backers that would be willing to pay a little extra for a case/holder for these. Other card projects have made some limited card clips that really seemed to be a big hit. Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Great job with back design of cards they look great. Also in my opinion the video is quite a bit too long. I totally understand not wanting to do a second take, Videos would make me nervous too!