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Totally agree with Eduardo.
@Eduardo - Well said
I guess what I'm most upset about is the silence. It failed. I know it failed, and they know it failed. Some things just don't work out, and I get that. But the complete silence from the creators is so incredibly disrespectful. So many people put their trust in you, and you don't even have the decency to put out one final update and let people finally move on?
Ironically Markus - Confed Xpress is stirring
@Count Thalim - Cheers!
@Phil Lunt - The nearest thing to a central repository is the old Mandate forums that are still going (and have just been renewed for another year). https://www.mandategame.com/forum
The information is scattered around various posts, but there are a few of us keeping an eye on things (and whacking the spam that creeps in).
If we find anything solid we'll post it up but it is mostly a waiting game again to see if anything changes.
So i guess this project is dead or dying.
well, we that KS won't really do anything since they already got their cut from the project.
@Count Thalim - Groovy, ta! Is there a central repository/online article for all the findings from your group so far?
I guess their catchphrase was accurate, and they now haven't got a single quarter to their name. At least I got a bombastic music track for my twenty bucks. Not the best gamble I've ever done on KS, but at least better than the straight-up scams like Confederate Express.
Various sources. Responses from people at Matsuko, their website/Facebook pages (both corporate and personal, mainly cleared off now), LinkedIn pages and Perihelions legal submissions in Luxembourg.
There is a group of us who have been tracking it for some time now.
@ Count - where did you find that info? I was wondering if TM was actually a project started by Matsuko and then split off to "start-up" Perihelion as a risk-reducing exercise...
No that would require balls, something I feel Matsuko, sorry Perihelion lack
Weird thing is - I'm absolutely certain I *did* see a post here saying that it was definitely dead and apologising.
Doesn't seem to be here any more, though.
From what we were able to find out Matsuko absorbed work on The Mandate in late 2015/early 2016, around the time of the second gap in communication. They were technically (and so legally) only a contractor so no responsibility would have been transferred across.
Matus was listed in Perihelion's founding documents as a joint shareholder so I am assuming when Perihelion ran out of money he tried to use his other resources to help it limp along in the hope of securing additional funding. With the current absence of updates it would seem that no funding was sourced and so Perihelion was shut down with no further comment.
Whilst disappointed that no one from the end of Perihelion has been willing to make a statement to the effect that The Madate has failed I am not surprised. The writing has been on the wall for the past year. The recent legal documents that dissolved Perihelion were just the confirmation.
As many have said, this sadly seems to be a dead project; the result of over-ambitious devs coming with a plan too soon. It is unfortunate that we don't seem to be getting any further updates & that I'm out $30. But hey. Them's the risks of any project on Kickstarter.
Interestingly - Matsuko was formed in 2010, Perihelion in 2013. The only 2 staff members from the 6 listed as currently being at Perihelion are Matus Kirchmayer (CTO at Perihelion, CEO at Matsuko) and Boleslav Horak (Technical Art Director at Perihelion and Senior Game Programmer at Matsuko) but a further 2 listed staff members at Matsuko worked at Perihelion in the past (that I could see, 5 or 6 staff members are out of my network so I couldn't see all there details...)
Since the website of Perihelion Interactive LLC is offline and we didn't got any update since months I searched www.linkedin.com if I could find there some information.
I found a small list of staffmembers and spotted the companyname "Matsuko". Checking the staff of Matsuko I found more people who worked for Perihelion before.
Checking the linkedin.com-site of Matsuko I found the trailer of "The Mandate" and one interessting sentence in their description: [...]MATSUKO is also working on an ambitious space opera game at the moment.[...].
I don't know if this helps in any way, but I thought I share it with you guys. I think the money is gone and the chances to get the game some time is almost at 0%...sadly, such a awesome project...
Yeah, I think I am done backing games. Unsung story, Mighty no.9 and this game have drained me... I learned an expensive lesson...
I am not going to bother asking for a refund. Considering how long it has been in-between updates, I gather the money is gone. Either towards game development or towards entertaining the developers, who knows. But it is unlikely anyone of us will ever see it back again...
I think games seem to have areal high fail/disappoint rate
Of all my kick starters the 2 fails are games - this and that which sleeps
The worst offenders on over runs - mostly games but one board game
All in all unless its something like mechwarriors - I won't back another game
At this point I don't expect them to succeed in releasing the game, and I have no doubt all the money is gone and there will be no chance of a refund, but I would like them to at least release some kind of a statement admitting they've failed and apologize. This is the only project I have ever backed on Kickstarter and it will be the last. I've learned my lesson.
Given Perihelion Sarl has been closed, there has been no communication for 5 months and there are rumours of contractors not being paid in full... Not much chance of any refunds.
Doesn't look like a scam. Just an overambitious plan, too many changes and not sufficient project management.
Such are the risks of a kickstarter.
Well I thought the game had potential, but at this point it looks like the project is being abandoned. . . Any hope of a refund??
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Be nice of them to pop in and say hi again or admit they gone messed up and there will be no game
What a scam !!!!!
http://www.perihelioninteractive.com/ is a dead website ... I must say this again but I really hope that you enjoyed our money ! I mean I would be sad if you misspent it on game development instead of other more entertaining things ...
Like all ambitious project on Kickstarter with lot of stetch goals ... Just hope that you lived the life with our money !
$150 down the drain. It had such a great concept too
@ThomasN Nothing new there. Perihelion still haven't spoken to anyone and "Dave, Shadowrunner" posted that link on Aug 8th.
and fuck you too perhelion for not talking with us earlier
Kickstarter isn't a scam there a tons of companies and individuals that are paid well beyond any value they add. That said I think what I suggest is a beneficial service one that provides reassurance that crooks will pay and that Kickstarters that fail provide educational benefit if nothing else. Without some effort to make failures transparent the doubt in Kickstarter and crowdfunding is amplified considerably.
Sorry 8% + change
5% of total funds raised
Payment processing fees
3% + £0.20 per pledge
£59,362.40 assuming the fee's were the same - what have we got other then a little hosting?
Fiteach - I feel kickstarter is a scam it's the biggest site but 10% they take if I recall - for what?
It would be nice if Kickstarter kept a team that investigated failed kickstarters and provided a report on what went wrong along with prosecuting/seeking compensation for backers in cases of fraudulent behaviour, not saying that anything illegal was done here just in general. Would be good to know what went wrong and when, that sort of thing.
Another one bites the dust I guess. Sigh.
Quoted from the Kickstarter:
"So could everyone and their grandma make The Mandate for $500,000? Probably not. Can we? Hell yes we can."
Maybe they should have got grandma to make it after all. Another Kickstarter down the drain.
Micky - good luck - the company that took your, our, money no longer exists
And I pressing for a refund. If I don't hear of even a flash game coming to frutition by the end of the week, I will become petty and make problems. And yes, I do have to much time on my hands and I will either get a product, even a crappy one, or I am going to get my money back.
At least give us the PDFs and whatnots, damn it.
ah well, 20 bucks gone. poor bastards who dumped 5 or 10k into this.
It would be interesting to contact those that were part of the project and POLITELY ask them about what happened...
Yeah I am quite annoyed. You know, like many of you, I use KickStarter as a gamble. I bet on a concept and a pitch. Not knowing at all that it will happen or not. I thought this was a great concept.
I am MORE annoyed by the abject silence than anything. Not the failure...yes, that annoys me, but I cannot understand how a kickstarter project feels that silence is a GOOD thing to their backers. I should run a kickstarter public social media organization and tell them what they need to do...regardless of the news. Things can be spun around as well.
In the end, I am just disappointed in the people for their lack of respect to us.
@Brett Koochin HA! Very true. I am wondering what I should do about it. It bothers me, that there is a blank space like that in my backer lists
Feature request for Kickstarter: a "Slinked Away Like Cowards" button beside the "Got It!" button on the backed projects page. I could have used it a couple of times now.
Weak effort former Perihelion devs.
I'd like a refund for your broken promises and garbage handling of this.
thinking if it would be ok to write a comment on Ole Herbjornsen Linkedin page stating that he is the lead producer of $701.000 thrown from a window. What do you think?
I've backed 10 projects, this is the first failure. It would be nice if they at least released the art assets and soundtrack they have at this point, but I don't expect anything.
Lesson learned for future video games - if it seems like too big of an idea for a small team, it probably is.
The Mandate team should look at Sunless Sea or Golem Arcana (both of which I backed) as examples of doing Kickstarter right.
Annoying that someone logged in as recently as July 21st and still said nothing...