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If someone would like to post the Desktop site link to this feel free, but Facebook refuses to make nice with my Mobile device, so I can't get to it myself at the moment.
I started watching the Leverage TV series again and having dealt with Alec and seeing him lie, cheat, steal and commit what should be criminal acts left and right and apparently getting away with it because none of the agencies our taxes pay to protect consumers from pieces of shit like Alec don't give a crap I have a totally new appreciation for the show.
Maybe the first film Alec shoots should be a fan film based on the Leverage series with himself as the criminal they're taking down.
@James - Not much can be done about that as the landlord gets to keep the modifications done with the pledged money meant for a fan film and rewards to his property. There is a brewing Class Action Lawsuit in talks with Indiegogo / KS backers now, so that might be where this heading.
I'm just curious if Alec has the legal right to give the infrastructure we paid for to the owner?
I mean if is was bought with our money, taken from us under false pretense, is it our property so is the Landlord now in possession of stolen property?
Can we file a lien against the property to get the money back?
A closing portion from the latest Axamonitor article about where things now stand:
"Peters appealed to Axanar fans in the Los Angeles area to help load trucks and move out of Industry Studios on April 28-30. The scheduled move into the Atlanta facility was scheduled May 6-7. Peters asked for Atlanta volunteers to unload and move in, and noted that a team from another Star Trek fan production would be helping, too."
"Peters promised 'food and swag for everyone who helps!' "
Can you believe the audacity of this guy? After blowing all the money of his donors [supposedly], he now asks for "volunteers" to help with the move to Atlanta.
I'm sure the guy who donated his time to carpet the now defunct Ares Studios must also feel great now that all of that carpeting that he laid has now become the property of the warehouse owner rather than for the production of the 'Axanar' movie for which it was really intended.
Alec Peters has no shame. And if anyone dares complain, he stamps his feet like a baby and begins crying that 'haters who want to see him fail' are 'out to get him' because he's done nothing wrong. It's close to three years later with absolutely nothing to show for it all, but he's done nothing wrong supposedly.
If I were a lawyer --even if it wasn't my area of specialty-- I would make it a point to file a class action suit against this louse.
It is outrageous that Alec Peters has so incompetently managed the Axanar project. The decision to lease a studio and spend donor money to modify it was a blunder. Peters started another Indiegogo campaign to fund the continued rent for this studio after exhausting the $1.4M of donor money he had from previous Kickstarter and Indiegogo campaigns. Now that Peters is basically being evicted we learn that the “improvements” to the studio will now be surrendered to the landlord.
The Industry Studios Indiegogo campaign netted just over $22K from about 300 "supporters". This campaign fell far short of the intended goal and had the support of only a few of the thousands of supporters Peters claims to have. In the middle of the campaign Peters announced that he was leaving the studio and surrendering the infrastructure mods to the landlord. He also conducted a veiled poll of the contributors to see what should be done with the campaign money.
The actual polling data has not be released to the public with Peters claiming that the majority of donors want him to use the $22K to "cover our transition out of the that space...". Peters has announce that he will be moving the production along with the incomplete Axanar sets to Atlanta, Georgia. He claims to have already spent the $1.4M dollars donated to produce the 90 minute Axanar feature and has failed to deliver this feature.
Many of us have expressed our concerns about how Peters has run the Axanar project only to be censored, insulted, and banned from participating in the official Axanar Facebook pages and the Axanar Blog. Peters continues to place blame for his failure on everything and everyone but himself and his lack of transparency, censorship, and hostile tactics to donors that express their genuine concern. He is unaccountable and evasive. Peters needs to be held accountable.
Looks like the project is now created by "Axanar Productions" instead of "Alec Peters" whatever the case may be I do want my refund on this project. Will Alec follow through? I have better chances with every other kickstarter. (Every single one)
Guess he is moving his project to Atlanta per the email I just received. This project is so entertaining!
@BRANDON you should have gotten the rewards at the $35 level already. Supposedly the patches went out months ago.
If you didn't get them you might try contacting Alec via kickstarters messaging system.
Yeah, a bit sick of this waiting game. I know you've had legal stumbles and other things go down, but at this point, it's just ridiculous and a lot of it appears pretty sketchy on your part. Many things that should have been in place prior to taking our money were never done and it has had a cascading effect of delaying the project. It's already over 2 years past the delivery date. I know I'm only in it for $35, but would really like that back so I could reinvest it in a project that actually delivers upon its promises.
Cantare, Access to the Donors Only Forum is something that is listed as something donors on both Kickstarter and Indiegogo. I ask for my access to be restored because it is something that I should have as a donor. If they continue deny me access then I should receive a refund. My being denied access to the pages is simply because I asked questions and expressed concerns, as I have here and on the Indiegogo campaign comments section. According to Peters I was removed because of "rude behavior". That is nonsense and is just his excuse to be able to silence me as he has to many others. If you disagree with him or ask difficult questions that he is not interested in answering you are labelled a "moron", a "hater", and a "trouble-maker". You don't get answers to your questions, your concerns are ignored, and prevents you from being able to participate in any discussion on the pages and sites he controls. When discussion occurs on other internet sites that he does not control he sends his sycophant goon squad to fight or he uses a nom de plume, hiding his identity, but makes the same arguments as Alec Peters has on other pages. One only needs to view the video interviews of Peters himself on Trekzone or listen to the interviews of people who have worked with him who are now estranged to realize that this censorshp and attack protocol is a regular thing with Peters. I fully realize he won't ever grant me access to the pages again because he is afraid and can't defend his actions, his mis-management, and his incompetence. I also doubt I will truly ever see a refund because he has squandered and spent all the donor money and failed to produce what was promised in all the crowd source campaigns. I donated money and that was my mistake. All I have to show for it is some $3 patches and a few PDF files. The best we can hope for is that Alec Peters is fully exposed for what he has done and failed to do so that he can no longer be allowed to disappoint ever again.
Carl, you should be demanding a refund and that's all.
It's abundantly clear at this point that Peters squandered everyone's money, and that he's also sitting on a pile of what remains that's been tucked away and hidden somewhere in all likelihood, and that the guy has no remorse for what he's done and how he's broken trust with the people who donated to his project. Therefore, forget about getting your access restored in places that really shouldn't matter to you at this point. Alec Peters is a Crook, and he couldn't care less about your outrage and being upset by what he's done. In fact, he'll silence you simply because he doesn't care and isn't interested in what you have to say about what has happened and what he's done. That's why going after him legally is the alternative everyone here should be pursuing, but aren't apparently.
So this guy will keep laughing behind our backs and keep banning people from his forums because he can get away with it since no one is stopping him, or is even attempting to do so.
About the only upside I can see here is that hopefully he's destroyed whatever reputation he might otherwise have had ...although from what I've heard, his reputation with his prop business was already pretty much crap even before he came up with this whole BS Axanar scheme.
But hopefully his name is Mudd now, which is as it should be.
I'm going to make my own Axanar, with black jack and hookers. In fact, forget the Axanar.
I was banned from both the Axanar Donors Only Forum page and the Axanar Fan Page for posting the following:
"How is turning over the studio, complete with assets paid for by Axanar donors "moving at warp speed"? Moving where?
So, the studio is being vacated by Axanar Productions which used donor money to pay the rent for the past couple of years and Axanar Productions is going to turn over assets purchased by donation money to the landlord. Axanar will not be made at the studio and the sets, also paid for by donation money, will be moved to an as yet undetermined location. Those who have contributed to the current Indiegogo campaign for Industry Studios will now be offered refunds. Those of us who donated to Axanar get no opportunity for a refund as the money was spent on rent for a studio that will never be used for Axanar, on assets that will be provided to the landlord, and on sets that will be moved somewhere else. Do I have all of these details correct?"
I sent e-mail to Alec Peters and the Support address at Axanar productions asking why I was banned. The response I received said I was banned because I violated forum rules for "rude behavior". Nothing in my post there, which was also posted here on Kickstarter, was rude in any way, shape, or form.
Apparently if you have serious concerns and ask serious questions that is considered being "rude". This is outrageous. The censorship and strong-arm tactics indicate a desire to silence any perceived dissent. I demand that my access to the pages be restored or that I be given a complete refund.
I have suddenly been denied access to the Axanar Donors Only Forum on Facebook. Access to this page was part of the packages i donated for with both Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Please restore my access or refund me my total donation amounts.
How is turning over the studio, complete with assets paid for by Axanar donors "moving at warp speed"? Moving where?
So, the studio is being vacated by Axanar Productions which used donor money to pay the rent for the past couple of years and Axanar Productions is going to turn over assets purchased by donation money to the landlord. Axanar will not be made at the studio and the sets, also paid for by donation money, will be moved to an as yet undetermined location. Those who have contributed to the current Indiegogo campaign for Industry Studios will now be offered refunds. Those of us who donated to Axanar get no opportunity for a refund as the money was spent on rent for a studio that will never be used for Axanar, on assets that will be provided to the landlord, and on sets that will be moved somewhere else. Do I have all of these details correct?
once again I demand a refund...the latest update is that they cannot make ANY sort of movie.
So what's going on now
You're absolutely right, James ...Alec isn't Garth of Izar. He is indeed Harry Mudd. I even think "Mudd the First" has an appropriate ring to it.
It truly boggles the mind. I can't believe there are still that many suckers out there to have brought him up to 17k presently in his latest scheme to swindle even more money out of the remaining dupes out there. How can going on three years go by with absolutely nothing to show for it, with all the money that was raised, squandered, wasted and lost, and there still be a bunch of idiots out there willing to plunk down and waste even more of their cash? What the hell universe are we living in that a guy like him can do all that he has done, with it now being abundantly clear that the whole thing has been nothing more than an ongoing scam and sham to keep lining his pockets, and yet people are still willing to throw away even more of their money on him and this whole farce?
Charles Ponzi would be proud seeing all this, for heaven sake.
But, But Alec SWEARS we are going to get our rewards just like he promised.
Jesus is gonna resurrect Richard Hatch cause Alec needs him to do the movie and God herself will smite the evil non-believers CBS/Paramount into relenting on the settlement cause no matter how many times I point out he can't fulfill the rewards with a dead actor, one who quit and the settlement terms not allowing him to do a 90 minute movie he insists he won't do refunds because he is going to complete the rewards to everyone's satisfaction.
Of course that has to take a back seat cause he needs to bilk another $200,000 out of the Faith Fools who have drunk the Holy Kool Aid of Axanar to pay the rent on the studio he duped the Faith Fools out of~ $1.6 million to build without soundproofing and last I heard insufficient and non-code wiring.
Then of course we'll have to kick in another $1 mil or 2 to rebuild the studio after the Holy Pilgrimage of Axanar to someplace with cheaper rent.
Finally after all the trials and tribulations, and another million or two the Faith Fools will be rewarded with two shitty 15 minute videos in lieu of the 90+ minute professional product we were promised.
Nope. Even wrapped up in all the religious dogma and language this still sounds like a steaming pile of excrement doesn't it?
I seriously think Alec shouldn't be playing Garth of Izar but Alec Fenton Mudd, cause hes a con man, a liar, a cheat with no morals or ethical values and his name is Mudd.
I doubt anyone wants to buy my share of stuff lol … what a joke
BTW: If anyone is interested in the
Receive all of the rewards up to $ 75 PLUS you get the all new limited edition black USS Ares T-shirt. Printed on the back is the USS Ares patch, and the ships spearhead design on the front.
Pledge I will happily sell mine so I can be done with this.
I saw your comment and I saw it disappear.
I find it odd that the Indiegogo seems to have more comments deleted by Alec then actually actually allowed.
I also find it odd that the entire "problem" with Axanar's fan base is 12-15 people. If that were the case refunds, which are required as per the kickstarter terms Alec agreed to would seem to be a far simpler way to end the "rebellion"
For those interested in the Indiegogo campaign "Origins documentary perks", the interview between Alec, Rob, John, and myself about the Four Years War are a year old. They will not be "new", and to the best of my knowledge the post-production work on them should have been done months ago.
I will say that the views and opinions of this creator have changed over the course of the year, and I'm not super happy about my inclusion in the Indiegogo thing.
Complaint filed with Indiegogo.
Anyone know who to contact at CBS/Paramount?
My understanding is that Alec is not allowed to crowdfund any star trek related projects, yet everything about his new Indiegogo is star trek related.
What a scam! I cannot believe that they are asking for more money with how this went down.
(misread the future crowds sourcing as a change in what the past crowd sourcing was about)
Doing another crowd sourcing campaign when you have not come close to completing the Axanar one is even more insulting.
I demand a refund
I demand a refund. Alec Peters is now saying the crowd sourcing was for the studio and not the film.
Well, complaint filed with Kickstarter and Indiegogo.
Doubt they'll do much good, but its worth a shot that they'll at least have some shred of morality and not allow Alec to continue this fraudulent campaign by switching platforms.
I'd submit a ticket to kickstarter reminding the that he owes use refunds and ask them to remind him of that fact and point out that any money he draws in from a new campaign should go to us first before he wastes another dime on the studio he stole money from us to build.
Indiegogo doesn't police there projects so I doubt they'll have any issue with this.
More importantly Indiegogo gives you the money even if you don't reach your crowdfunding goal.
Kickstarter requires you to fulfill the rewards (something Alec doesn't understand) so you have to start with a high enough goal to be able to do so (something else Alec didn't understand) or you don't get anything because unless your using kickstarter in a manner that violates there policies (something Alec does a lot of) you can't finish the project unless you meet your funding goal and have to refund the backers (something Alec still doesn't understand) so kickstarter just does it for you if you don't meet the goal by canceling everything.
Darn this needs an edit button. No defraud isn't the right word as that's not what they're trying to do and I don't believe was ever their intention. Maybe people do wish to fund the studio, that's their choice, but the fact that they can't deliver on the previous perks should be highlighted to the Indiegogo campaign website.
I suggest everyone here contacts Indiegogo to inform them about their new campaign to use their website to defraud people. Be polite about it and include links to all campaigns so they can review (both Kickstarter's and the previous Indiegogo) and point out that they are not legally able to provide the perks of their committed campaigns due to legal reasons and as a result shouldn't be able to open a new campaign as it's only defrauding the contributors.
@Jason if you're referring to the catan stuff I'd say Kickstarter should be renamed Kickscammer.
Beware of Kickstarters that are created to fund previous Kickstarters. I just had one that I backed fall apart!
@Cantare from what I've read he is crowdfunding the studio, not the film, in an effort to avoid CBS/Paramount.
However, he would at that point be doing a second Kickstarter campaign to provide the rewards of the first.
I wonder if he is aware the bottom of each kickstarter page has a "report this kickstarter" button on it?
At the very least his campaign will serve as a useful test of just how fraudulent Kickstarter is.
Yes, I know. I happened upon this website late last night:
...and learned about their looking to do another fundraiser. This guy has no shame WHATSOEVER. NONE.
Anyway, I take most people here are probably already familiar with the Page link above. However, if you aren't, I would look beyond that first post by Christine Rideout about the "Short Story Competition" that Alec Peters the Crook is looking to launch and to the other posts that follow below. It's mind-boggling.
I haven't even checked my email account that gets the Axanar and Kickstarter updates yet (I don't check that account regularly or frequently), but is this Nut actually looking to get sued by CBS and Paramount AGAIN?
What an attention whore.
Holy crap, guys. The Axanar scam artists are actually trying to launch another Kickstarter. (They've sent out e-mail updates to backers they haven't cut off yet.)
I had never donated to a Star Trek fan film prior to this Kickstarter for Axanar, and I only donated to one Trek fan film afterward, and I'm not sorry I did with respect to that other project.
However, as a result of this experience, I hereby vow to never donate to any other Kickstarter project from this point on, EVER.
Kickstarter management may be content to just sit on their hands following this debacle without so much as even leaning on Peters in the slightest with respect to his either delivering on his promises to his donors, or providing them with refunds of their money instead if he can't, but I for one will never patronize this website again as a result of how this has all turned out.
Their guidelines are clear: either produce what you told your donors you would do, or issue them refunds if you cannot. Since they provide no enforcement of this policy whatsoever, making donations to any project they help to fund is too great of a risk in my personal opinion, so I therefore will not take any such foolhardy chances again in the future with them and this site.
Because Alec Peters is a Con Man and I believe in order to show he was not making a profit off Axanar during the lawsuit he did a lot of shenanigans to hide the money trail. That's why his independent financial review people can't finish there review (remember the promise of financial transparency promised during the kickstarter?) which if Alec had kept the records needed to provide transparent financials should have taken a week maybe?
I wonder if Ryan Grepper and Alec Peters are friends?
Why would Jonathan Lane post that Alec doesn't own Axanar Productions when filings in California clearly show he does?
I hadn't vanished. I have been doing all the legwork to get this class action off the ground. Plus, a busy career to help pay for filing fees, and life in general.
Sorry, I am not like Alec, where I can con people to doing he work for me, or doing it pro bono.
And no, I have yet to receive a refund. Does anyone here honestly Alec would refund anyone? He has no money, no job, no friends to help him out. He is having a fire sale of his stuff just to pay for rent.
Well clearly not on my end lol, I doubt that'll ever happen
It is interesting how Scott and the others just vanished into the ether. All this talk about gathering on Facebook to start a class action, and then "Poof!" ...Nothing.
It's also interesting that as the two people here who said we had no interest in joining Facebook, that we have no idea what happened ...whether Scott and all the other were just big talkers were just talking big with nothing to back it up, or if Peters actually bought their silence by issuing refunds to them.
If Peters is providing refunds to some people, but not to the vast majority of others who donated to this Kickstarter, then the people that run Kickstarter should probably be made aware of it.
@Cantare Well, technically he said he paid all that money back.
He also says he has an independent review team (who work or have worked or are close friends of his) working on a full accounting review to justify his expenditures.
He doesn't say one quit/was fired after he admitted to a website known to be critical of Alec that they couldn't complete the review because Alec was hiding financial records (presumably the criminal ones).
The simple truth is that Alec Peters is a criminal. He stole over 1 mil and nothing will ever happen because being a criminal doesn't get you arrested for cases like this. It takes a person with enough cash to start a lawsuit, which will never happen because as soon as someone starts making preparations Alec buys them off with a refund and a NDA leaving the rest of us to rot.
@Louis You could try threatening Alec with a lawsuit, pointing out that $5,000 + damages are worth the filing fee and see if that gets you a refund.
I feel for you man, I really do. That just isn't right, and there should be repercussions for this kind of fraud.
I take it you've already seen this article previously, but I have to imagine that it wasn't the best of days for you back when you did ...and pay particular attention to the next to last paragraph, paragraph five:
So we were all promised a movie, and instead all of the money you donated Louis went toward funding Alec's and his girlfriend's personal lifestyle. Isn't that just great?
And yet, Peters struts around trying to make it sound as though the settlement he agreed to with CBS and Paramount was actually a win.
No, Alec...it wasn't. You got greedy, in more ways than one, and ended up squandering everyone else's money.
Wow, I didn't notice that Richard Hatch passed away. Terrible news. :(
I haven't posted anything since I'm busy working. Real businesses listen to their actual customers / clients, give them refunds if they aren't satisfied, revision processes w feedback etc is also doable. Here none of that happens because no progress was really made, key players in the project are gone and I don't just mean actors, this project can not be fulfilled as with what the original kickstarter portrayed, lies and deception, false statements and getting tangled in a legal battle only makes you look bad. We are your stakeholders, we're not happy. Give us our refunds because you can not fulfill what you said you would deliver. As such I would like my $5000 back. Unfortunately I'm speaking to deaf ears. And we'll probably get some copy and paste reply like last time dodging the fact that true good businesses give refunds to customers, I've gotten them from other kickstarters that didn't meet to my expectations a year or two out past the KS & deadline window. Sad truth is I expect nothing good from here anymore. You've tainted all kickstarter and fan films.
If that's the case I'm pretty annoyed, as I've made it abundantly clear that I want a refund of my donation as well. Peters blew his chance to make the movie he pitched to the people that donated to this Kickstarter. He lost actors, as well as technical and behind-the-scenes people that made their first effort a hit, Christian Gossett especially, established talent such as Tony Todd, Michael Hogan, not to mention Richard Hatch. He sold this project for the full movie to the people that donated here on the basis of lies and deceit, and if the people that were communicating on Facebook about starting legal proceedings on the basis of all of that simply took their own personal refunds and walked away, then they're nothing but sellouts themselves, because many thousands of people took losses on this sham of a project --some donors for very substantial sums of money. And yet Peters just continues on with the charade and the lies. It really turns my stomach. The guy has no conscience. It doesn't even bother him that his mentor who was to play a significant role in this film, and could have done so had Peters just shot the darn film when he said he would, died without a frame of that footage ever being shot.
And I truly feel bad for the people that sunk thousands of dollars into this project, only to never see it come to fruition. I mean, read this, and tell me it doesn't make you sick too:
He lays out definitively and without question that he cannot make the project that he promised here to people, so the only decent thing to do would be to now issue refunds to the donors that aren't happy and are no longer interested in this project --thanks to his own actions persistent overreaching no less, I might add.
But there's nothing decent about Alec. The guy is just a crook.