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I know everyone is upset about the settlement. I will not be requesting a refund because basically 25$ is not worth my time. Everyone knows that any money give to a kickstarter campaine is buyer beware. In this case it bit me and lot of other people. Let just move on...
As to David, He is done. He will never be able to get money out of the fans. His sound stage paid for by our money will gone soon enough because no one is going to want to business with him due to this kick starter.
So I say to David, I will assume you intended to produce the movie and just were too successful for Paramount to stay away.
I haven't bothered to look at my email again as yet David, but the guy is being deceitful on many levels and he knows it.
The very Introduction to this project reads as follows:
"This Kickstarter is for the full-length feature Axanar. Unlike the short film, which we shot in two days and cost $80,000, the 90-minute Axanar feature will take about 3 weeks and cost roughly between $650,000 and $ 750,000 (The budget is in process based on learnings from the Prelude to Axanar budget, so I would expect the budget to climb). So we are breaking up our costs into discreet sections which should allow us to reach significant milestones, as we don't expect to raise the full amount all at once."
The goal for this Kickstarter was $100,000. By the time it was over, $638,471 had actually been raised. So all of the money Peters claimed to need to raise at that time had very nearly been reached, and he darn well knows it. He did leave himself wiggle room by saying that he expected the costs to rise, but with no indication by anywhere near as much as was raised once the later Indiegogo campaign ran it's course, which totaled an additional $574,434. That's almost double what he claimed to need when he launched this first campaign here on Kickstarter, nor does it include other funding that was raised from things like selling ship models and coffee, which he was never licensed to do in the first place. So this man is an outright deceitful crook who took advantage of the goodwill of his donors who expected him to produce an actual film as promised. When you factor in why Christian Gossett and the team that was in place to produce "Prelude," and was ready and willing to stay on for the full-length "Axanar" movie, until they saw how Peters kept stalling and looking for ways to wring more money out of people and his idea, it's clear he wasn't focusing on producing the actual movie.
Anybody else get this message from Alec:
"We are still making Axanar, but in an abbreviated form. Also, I suggest you refer back to the Kickstarter to see what exactly we promised. Specifically, renting a warehouse and paying for a year's rent, turning the warehouse into a sound stage, and pre-production. We did all of that.
And once the 2 15 minute segments are shot, all perks will be shipped.
SO I am sorry, there are no refunds.
Just thought I should share incase people did get this.
This fundraising campaign was for the full length Axanar feature film. Now that the film will never happen due to the settlement, I am demanding a full refund of my donation.
This project was an overreach--as admitted by the Producer in the settlement--and by that very admission, this campaign could not possibly be delivered in the manner promised by the campaign creator.
I will not be satisfied by anything less than a full refund.
This Kickstarter fundraising campaign was for the full length Axanar feature film. Now that this will not be happening, per the joint statement from plantiffs and defendants, I am now demanding a full refund of the contribution I made for this project. Regardless of what ridiculous 15 minute two part mini episodes are ever released, that is not what I agreed to when I donated to this project. Without the asvertised project coming to fruition, I, along with thousands of other donators should be getting there money returned to them
Under the agreement with the studios you cannot make what i pledged for. I would like a refund.
If you have problems with my paypal please contact me via email
I suppose best case is going through your credit card company or https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company not sure if it applies but worth looking into
I have not sent in my complaint yet because I think we should investigate whether or not Kickstarter violated it's own rules by allowing a project that was illegal (copyright infringement) to be created and allowed to be funded. Also by taking a cut of that money can they be held liable to the backers if we do launch a lawsuit. I'm sure the last thing kick-starter wants is to be sued. I don't live in the US so I don't know what the laws are in this regard. If somebody wants to look into the legality of this I have a few hundred bucks to help pay for a lawyer. If kickstarter can be held liable they may wish to settle.
I think that should probably be our starting point, David and James. We should all write a letter of complaint to Kickstarter about how their service has been utilized to bilk people out of their money by the person who launched this phony, fraudulent campaign.
As to what should happen beyond that ...I am open to suggestions. I don't know if people are interested in pursuing a class action, but one thing I am also pondering is not giving the official "Star Trek" brand any more of my money given how they handled this situation. I can understand them wanting to protect their property, and their feeling it necessary to sue Peters and his company due to the transgressions involved, but in doing so they have also given him an out with respect to producing the supposedly intended film at issue. And I say "supposedly intended" given all the money that was raised and how very little was done in terms of shooting anything. So we take the hit ...CBS and Paramount walk away, with their not caring at all about our monetary losses in all of this, and Peters basically walks away scot-free.
Someone please tell me why I should pay to see the next "Star Trek" film that Paramount releases to theaters, or why I should be willing to pay a monthly subscription fee to watch their new streaming series "Discovery" whenever it finally makes its debut?
I'm thinking 'No damn way'.
Their web form is messy - the direct address is email@example.com.
Hi all. I just heard from Alec via Facebook that he is still not willing to issue refunds. How do I go about reporting this to kickstarter?
Since you are now unable to produce the feature length film we backed for, and I've received no rewards in any manner from yourselves, please refund me per Kickstarter's terms and conditions due to being unable to deliver the promised rewards.
There's nothing to refund he blew all the money on paying for his own stuff
Please provide me a refund for inability to complete the project.
It is over. I feel sorry for all the backers who paid so much money. I was lucky for not to sink so much money. Actually i support any law suit.
I agree that we should come up with a response. I for one want my money back now that the lawsuit is over and the project can not be delivered as promised. I would gladly donate for a class action suit if it becomes necessary.
Guys, I think it's about time we consider organizing a response to how we've all invested in a project that the person behind it kept moving the goalpost on, raising more and more money, now clearly unable to deliver what was promised.
I received a donor email from Mr. Peters, with his trying to make it seem and sound as though some victory was somehow achieved here, with his alluding to the project now having to adhere to the CBS and Paramount 'Star Trek' Fan Film Guidelines, which he is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for having brought about through his actions, up to and including trying to market and license this Fan Film Project to Netflix, which no doubt in and of itself was most certainly enough to draw the understandable ire of CBS and Paramount, the actual owners of the official 'Star Trek' brand and franchise. At this point there can be no question that Peters brought about the very circumstances that doomed this project and led to the loss of over one million dollars in donor funding. It's unacceptable, and he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. At most he has gotten a slap on the wrist by the two studios that decided to not pursue the matter further and thereby virtually let him off the hook while the rest of us are left high and dry. Behind closed doors he's undoubtedly laughing at us all right now.
I no longer have any interest in seeing this project produced thanks to the restrictions it must now be produced under, and no one is more responsible for that than Mr. Peters himself. Yes, we all knew there was some risk going in, but Peters kept pushing the limits further and further, compounding the risk with every step he took rather than pursuing producing and finishing the project he promised to his donors.
It's now up to us to send a message given that the interests of the studios are different from ours, and they have stepped aside, uninterested in our monetary losses and sacrifice.
Alec Peters had a rare opportunity to produce something unique and special, and he blew it, in addition to having blown all our money.
It would be nice if he refunded the amount I gave, but I think all that money has been flushed away
Since this Kickstarter was created before the change in the refund policy, they are required to provide one.
"A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward.
Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
Since they can not make the 90 minute production, they are required to provide refunds.
Since you can't do what was promised in this kickstarter, you should start giving out refunds.
Well, looks like you won't be making a movie, but rather some crap episode. And since you have no money left, you stiffed us with a unusable warehouse with a green wall. #thanksAlex
Alec swore he wouldn't settle. He swore he would never back down. I guess unredacted financials going public was too scary for him.
I guess he can use that $1.4 million he has (scoff, choke, snicker) to refund those of us he failed to deliver. Good luck making two 15 minute episode with no actors or crew. HA!
According to a joint statement, "Paramount Pictures Corporation, CBS Studios Inc., Axanar Productions, Inc. and Alec Peters are pleased to announce that the litigation regarding Axanar’s film Prelude to Axanar and its proposed film Axanar has been resolved. Axanar and Mr. Peters acknowledge that both films were not approved by Paramount or CBS, and that both works crossed boundaries acceptable to CBS and Paramount relating to copyright law."
See joint statement from all parties regarding what was promised here, so a refund should be issued promptly to those that want them.
A settlement was reportedly reached but it will mean that what was promised in this project cannot be met. While many will accept that to receive something of the story, I do not. Please issue a refund for $75 because the project that was promised can no longer be made. Those that wish to have that, please enjoy it, but those that backed under what was promised will not be met:
“Axanar is the independent Star Trek film which proves that a feature-quality Star Trek film can be made on a small budget.
This Kickstarter is for the full-length feature Axanar.”
"Axanar and Mr. Peters have agreed to make substantial changes to Axanar to resolve this litigation, and have also assured the copyright holders that any future Star Trek fan films produced by Axanar or Mr. Peters will be in accordance with the 'Guidelines for Fan Films' distributed by CBS and Paramount in June 2016," states the parties' joint announcement of a settlement."
My Paypal is the same as the email address for Kickstarter.
Ugh… yeah… comparatively another kickstarter wasn't sending stuff out in time, gave me a full refund w/o me even asking, and they're still sending me the product when it's done! Totally dif, and they're local in Toronto.
Problem is Alec knows that none of the backers have enough invested to pay the legal fee's for a lawsuit and if we did sue he'd just use our own money to pay his lawyers to fight us the way he is the CBS lawsuit.
Yes, I'm aware they are working "pro bono" but Alec admitted he's spending Axanar money (our money) on them via food, drinks, meetings, etc. etc.
But hey, we should all be happy little lemmings and go along with his BS "But, But I spent the money on what I was supposed to" despite the fact that 1.4 mil later we still have no movie.
You know, the movie the Alec via the KS says will be done in 2014 (or 2015 if you were lucky enough to back day one and catch the stealth update changing it) and only take 3 weeks to shoot.
I'm sure this has been quoted before but in the context of the 2014 legal terms it is an option. I rather not come to that, but it's there. Section 4 paragraph 4 to paragraph 12.
"The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."
Nothing wrong with veggies, just how you learn to prepare food
@Peter Was your comment directed towards me?
Turnip is a veggie, I hate veggies and I can;t cook so no, I have no idea how or why someone would want to get blood from a turnip.
If you'd like directions on the best way to microwave a slice of pizza, I'm your guy. But vegetables, yuck!
@James; Can you explain how you get blood from a turnip?
And enforce there terms of service and get us the refunds we are entitled to as per there rules and contract with Alec.
It seems kickstarter would rather support his fraud and scam instead of the backers.
@Louis L. A lot of people have asked but Alec has only doled out a few.
Blech, I requested a refund from this kickstarter back when indiegogo initially ended. It was before everything went south. Wish I could get that money back. and I would rather. If I donated below a certain amount I wouldn't care but that wasn't the case this time, it was a lot
Thats pretty much what I've read. He either sold it for nothing or gave it away in name only to protect it from the lawsuit and the backers.
It has been discussed the last few days with a few folks who are following close to the case, who state that he retains sole ownership, with a small likelihood that he handed off to someone until the lawsuit is over so he doesn't lose the studio when he loses the suit.
"All the money raised was spent as promised, and there are no funds to refund anyone."
But yet there is no movie...
You know the movie you said would take 3 weeks to shoot and be done in 2014, err, sorry, that was a lie on your part you cleverly hid with the 2015 stealth date update.
I'm sorry, until refunds are given to the backers that's not your money, its OUR money your spending on the lawsuit, the lawsuit YOU chose to pursue instead of settling for YOUR benefit, not ours.
@Scott According to Axamonitor he's sold it or given it away.
I believe he still retains sole ownership of the studio. But you are right, as we gave him money to set up a "for profit" studio under false pretenses, he would have to sell the studio, or CBS will liquidate his assets (including the studio). CBS isn't obliged to pay us back, but he would be if he sold it.
According to some of the latest updates on Axamonitor Alec sold the studio, so he should have money from that to refund us.
Now if he did sell the studio then the proceeds from that sale should have gone directly to us, or the sale should have been null and void because we paid for it.
If on the other hand the initial report is true and he gave it away (to avoid showing profit) to a "friend" so he can retain possession of the asset without the pesky problem of using Star Trek in a for profit venture which means CBS/Paramount wins, or the other problem of having to pay us back Alec Peters belongs in Jail.
@Peter, how can this project continue when Alec spent all $1.4 million on everything but the movie? There is no movie, no sets, no equipment, no employees, nothing. They would have to do another crowd fundraiser just to get the money back. I doubt all 12 supporters of Alec can raise the $2 million he said he needs.
Well, until the court case is over which still may be a couple more years they cannot fulfill anything. So until it is over and dead no refunds can or should be made. There is always a small chance this will go well and the project will continue...So, for all the "give me a refund" people you will just have to wait till this comes to an end, one way or another.
You cannot fulfill the project and per the 2014 Terms of Service you agreed to before launching a project, you must provide a refund - information below from Kickstarter. My Paypal is the same as my email, please send the $75 to that account as I have accepted no rewards as they were not fulfilled. Thank you.
This page applies only to projects launched on or before October 18th, 2014 at 11:59pm ET:
"A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward."
I still want to watch the movie; maybe when this is over Paramount/CBS could just back it themselves and put it on TV as a special. (Which would have garnered a whole lot more gratitude from the fans if they had tried to get on board instead of swamping the boat!)
You know what Alec, I think you should stop paying the rent for the studio, because it will take on hell of a hail mary for you to win the lawsuit, let alone make the movie you promised. Use whatever the rent is to start refunding the backers you screwed over and maybe you will avoid a class action lawsuit. I don't live in the United States so I can launch one, but I'm sure that if enough of us wanted it would happen, and I would happily donate to the legal fees.
You've refunded to others, now refund my money back to me. You spent all the money? How were you planning on going into production? Whatever happened to this independent group that was going to report back to the community on Axanar's financial accounting? Where is their report? Many of us are tired this drama and only want to move on AFTER you refund us our money.
Don't blame the lawsuit. From the photos of the unfinished set you posted to Facebook, you were nowhere close to being a month away from principal photography.
Alec, what do you mean, "no refunds?" You've given refunds before, even tried to get them to sign NDAs; as if an NDA from you would hold up in court.
Tell you what, if you don't want to give me a refund (I know, you can't, you spent it on health insurance for your women) I have an contract and NDA for you. If you sign it, you can no longer lay claim to being Star Trek's biggest fan, nor can you ever do another crowdfunding campaign. Also, I get 1/10 of one cent from you when you ask, "Would you like fries with that?"
What James said. And can you please stop trolling the comments Alec/Axanar.
You say you aren't responsible for refunds, when, obviously, you aren't responsible to produce a fan film. Teenagers can produce fan-films. You aren't responsible for any other scam you've done in the past. Unfortunately, I am now responsible for funding a con-artist, and future convicted embezzler.