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I asked him how those frying pans were coming and just talked to him. I didn't say anything mean. He seemed like he really does want to actually finish the project. I'm hopeful but it sounds like its still going to take a while even if he does get back on track.
Because I found his phone number online and spoke to him in May and he "ASSURED" me that there would be an update in the next two weeks.
What did you say to him @veronica ?
Talked to him at DragonCon. He said his mistake was offering too many options. He also said he finished paying off the loan he took out. Supposedly we'll get an update next month.
I have backed 5 projects that have failed to produce but this one holds the record for longest.
2 have admitted failure. They have declared "bankruptcy" and informed the backers they will not be producing anything. At least they are honest about it.
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Wait ... I need to ... catch ... my ... breath ...
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"Be respectful and considerate"
46 THOUSAND dollars.
And STUNNINGLY, it's not about the money!
Well, it's not about LOSING the money.
Instead it's about the utter and shameless and astonishing DISRESPECT for the PEOPLE who paid you that money!
It's the absolute lack of caring. The gutless COWARDICE.
This guy single-handedly reinforces the stereotype of a millennial who is callously indifferent and stupefyingly self-indulgent, physically INCAPABLE of taking responsibility for his own actions.
But I digress. I was laughing so hard that I almost couldn't breathe :-)
Hope springs eternal! Maybe someday we will get our pans. Maybe ....
A full year without an update....
@Mike - You'll be lucky to get anything let alone a change.
So it's been a few years and I know what cast iron is. Kinda wish for a sign of life, and some way to get a Cast Iron instead of Teflon (I've stopped using Teflon cookware).
Just an annual login to see where my stupid pan is.
And that I'm still disappointed by Mr Can't-Make-A-Pan.
Get to work loser.
I just want to say you are a piece of s**t. Where is my handle? This was supposed to be a present for someone a million years ago.
I reached out to Crimson Chain Leatherwork - they were quite nice. They claimed he was still working on them, 'personal things happened' and he still plans on finishing. Can't say I believe them, but they defended their friend, and they were nice enough to respond. Really none of their business, but thought I'd reach out - they did understand our frustration but wouldn't take any step to get in the middle of it, which I can understand.
I cant help but wonder whether we paid for him to go on an absolute bender of a time at conventions, and to expand his other business.
Are you sure that other business is him?
Also according to his Facebook page he sells with Crimson Chain Leatherwork. Here's their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/crimsonchainleatherworks/
This was my first project too! I've backed dozens of projects since then, and I haven't been ripped off by a single one of them. Just this one. I wonder if he still goes to conventions? I know he used to go to Otakon.
I can copy that, I just backed another project, this here is the only one that never really happened.
It's funny, this was the first ever project I ever funded on Kickstarter. It's a wonder that it also wasn't the last but I can also say this is the only pledge I've been burned on. I've had many projects that were delayed but each one delivered eventually.
Except this one. :(
Im still wondering he has a picture up on his Intagram, that show an truck load of Panns whith a handle just whithout handle wrapping, so at least some pans are in existence Did hi build them and just leve them somewhere ore did he scrap them ore Is he still working on them i dont know the pic is 2 years old a lot could have happend to this Pans, but it seams like a lot of work for a scam. Just send me one of the unfinished Pans Jim i have the Skills to finishe them my selfe
yea, i don't really care about the money and there's no way I'm ever getting the pan. I just like the challenge now of getting him to respond, to say something - to have a shred of dignity and courage - to just say its over.
Fun thing: if i would start posting the obscenities that come into my mind seeing that we passed 4 years of scheduled delivery and nearly one year since the last update, now, i'd be in bigger problems than this guy who apparently doesn't plan to give us anything in return for our money. Not even a "sorry, i fucked up".
I guess it's Good I only paid $27. Sorry to everyone who paid more.
He was at Tinius Olsen until Feb of this year it looks like, that's in the philly area - so not sure if he's back to virginia or not
13451 Princedale Dr
Woodbridge, VA 22193
I'm in that general area. If anyone has an actual address, I'd be willing to try to contact him. Since I don't have any other information about him and his name is about as common as dirt, I have no idea how to separate him from all the other James Brown's near Philadelphia. I see a James E Brown of Philadelphia who was indicted for child pornography. At least if that were him he'd have a good excuse for not responding. I'm pretty sure getting access to the prison metal shop is hard.
So it appears he's in Philly, or the philly area - simple google search for him in that area will show where he is now. No more information than that, but maybe we paid for his move...
One project I backed has admitted failure, filed for bankruptcy and is issuing refunds of a sort via the courts in Germany. Not sure how much of my 107 euros I will get back on it but at least they are making an attempt. There is currently no Kickstarter vehicle for refunds as it is a one-way funnel for funding.
@Graham - agreed, its so frustrating that these guys don't understand this is a community. I've seen at least 4 other projects where they failed to price out their project correctly and went back to the community. In all but one instance, the community pitched in more to help - i would have done that here 19 years ago when the project started. Yet, he never asked for help.
James dipped in and out and kept teasing he was on it- then disappeared and mysteriously logged in again in March. Nothing worse than passive aggressive silence and plain old hiding.
I wouldn't mind a final post that simply put closure on it..
James wanted to get $7,000 to make some pans. This was probably a reasonable size project for his machine shop to handle; one way or another. Maybe he priced it wrong and would be losing money/time on each one, but the total debt burden would have been manageable.
Instead he got $46,261 and a huge liability. He may not have been prepared to scale out to this level of production. If he was losing money/time on each pan, he now was losing 6-7 times that much money/time.
I could see someone ready to sacrifice every night and weekend for a month getting buried under the idea of doing it for half a year. Maybe he is a victim too, but of his own lack of vision to what he was committing to.
Given it was estimated in January 2013 - i definitely wouldn't bet any money on it. There's so much to like about Kickstarter and scams will of course happen, but Kickstarter has to step up and get proactive on these situations. They need to take some responsibility, it is their platform and they are profiting as soon as the project is funded. They seem to just disappear after that. I've had a couple of projects that were Kickstarter picks that failed- Kickstarter was nowhere to be seen after they got their money, very frustrating. In this case, I think James just got overwhelmed by the job and the community and freaked - not an excuse, the guy is awful, but that's my guess. Who knows, maybe by 2020, we'll have pans.
Ok I'm not, as in currently, going to bet money on it. I gotta be more clear. James is logging in again, so I guess there's still a possibility. I look at this one and a couple others that went bad as a relatively cheap lesson. Unless I can vet the project very well, I'm done with KS. Caveat emptor.
Not sure how he can look at himself in the mirror knowing he lied, cheated, and defrauded 651 people.
He logged in march 20, 2017!!!!!
There is no good
Good or bad we deserve an update by now.
Still waiting :(
This was my first (and last) kickstarter campaign to support. With zero ramifications for someone to steal your money, it seems like a hotspot for scammers like James. I was so excited about this because it was a gift for someone, which I actually gave as a christmas present. (printed out the kickerstarter page.) I guess this is an easy way to con your way into $46k!
James...you already bet money on it by backing this project lol
I would be very happy to learn that someone has brutally murdered James.
Burn in a tire fire you lying thief.
Lol *not* going to bet on it...
I don't know, Drew. I guess I hope for the best in people. Just dropping us is a pretty shit thing to do though, I'll grant you that. It's still possible that James could come back and finish this thing. I'm just gonna bet any money on it.
This dude killed my trust to Kickstarter completely.
Had to do a quick search to see if he was still doing stuff and came across his LinkedIn (he hasn't logged onto kickstarter since September 2016). He last updated his LinkedIn in February 2017 saying his tenure at his last job ended, so he is still alive - whether he is working on the project or not is yet to be seen. Would love to see an update James.
@Jim ...what through this entire process would you give you the impression that he's "better than this"? Ever since this project started he's pretty much been AWOL. It's 4 years now and only 62 updates!
8 months without a word....wow!
James, you're one month late. Oh wait, you're 4 years and one month late. These pans could have gotten a college degree by now. I saw the pictures of the unfinished pans in one of your latest updates. Can you just send me one of those? I'll take it. It'll at least be a conversation piece that I can talk to people about before I DROP DEAD OF OLD AGE. Come on buddy, you're better than this.
This is a story about Morlock and James Brown
A big fat grifter who raised some money then skipped town
Than sit around the house, ignored the emails and our pleas
4 years later we still got no pans, just our money seized
They headed down, to Dragon Co-on
A bunch of us backers warned that they were just scu-um
Kickstarter helped a man acheive his dream
None of us knew it was just a big scheme
Hoo-hoo-hoo, he took the money and run
That thief, he took the money and run
Hoo-hoo-hoo, he took the money and ran
And we still don't have our pans
Update please. I still want my pan, thank you.