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8CUPS Inc.By 8CUPS Inc.
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8CUPS Inc.By 8CUPS Inc.
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    1. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      Thanks all of our funders! I mean it.

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      Robert on

      :( , wished you would have made it. Please keep me / us updated if you plan a restart or start to sale on another channel. As a Eightcup user I really liked the continuation of your project.

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      TaeWooKIM
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      on

      oh!! Funding Unsuccessful :( When are you going to make an official sale?

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      Anthony Barnes
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      Please let me know if you plan a relaunch.

    5. Sharafin on

      This project is going to fail for funding . Unbelievable :-( !!!

    6. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Scott. Thanks for your support. Yes, we will do our best. Thanks again.

    7. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Craig. Hope you had a good weekend and thanks for your comments again.

      Kyu is one of our users and we are aware of his story. Actually, we almost asked to use his story as a recommendation on the campaign but there was some reason we didn’t accept his story. But still, he is a big fan of eightcups. I think that’s why he wrote the comment.

      Basically, we are an international team. Plus small, which means our resource is very limited. But we totally agree your opinion about English especially spelling/typo mistakes. We will do our best to overcome this limitation.

      Your question "Will users have the ability to hide database color "hits" that were derived from input by other users? “ is very interesting. Actually, we haven’t thought about it.
      Your opinion must be considered when we develop it but I guess it would be too early to talk about.
      Would it be more effective to be determined after launching?
      We don’t know yet which data is valuable for learning when users upload all kind of colors. It could be affected by locations, age, gender, and preference.
      Please give us more idea.

      You are a literally super backer!
      "Your success is MY success. Likewise, your failure is my failure.” This comment is so cool.
      Now, all of our team members are big fans of you.

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      Scott on

      WOOOPS!!
      I was 8cups user and I asked them to make this kind of tumbler when I sent the 8cups feedback 2years ago.
      And you made it!!!!

      I like 8CUPS and it help me so much.
      And I'm looking forward the PRISMCUPS!!!!

      I like this project and it can be helpful for diabetic or some kind of patients.
      It is very useful technology.

      But you guys need to be more improved technology as Craig said.
      He seems very specialist in technology.
      And the price is a little bit high.

      I believe you guys can succeed this project anyway.
      Your team knows how to make it and consider all the reviews.
      The technology part is very difficult part but you guys have enough skill.

    9. Craig Dunn
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      on

      Almost forgot...congratulations on the Samsung invitation!

    10. Craig Dunn
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      on

      @8CUPS thank you for your quick and somewhat thorough response. A few counter comments:

      Starting with the easy ones....your comment at the end that #1 & #2 are my opinion. I counter that these are based on data. With 700 projects that I actively backed and participated in, I have seen what makes a project successful and what has caused them to implode. I would very much like to see you succeed - hence these comments as well as the others.

      I have many examples regarding "stuffing the ballot box" with known or solicited commenters filling the comment section and I was just warning about one of the patterns that indicate this (referring to "kyu"). Perhaps coincidence, so I will let it go.

      The rules of English are fact-based, so not opinion. I am happy to list everything that needs to be reviewed based on the generally-accepted syntactic rules of English. I went to 8cups, as you directed me to learn more about your company, and quickly ran across a spelling/typo issue where water was spelled "watar". Anyway, my point is that the professionalism you put across publicly can damage credibility with potential investors beyond folks who have already done business and trust that you can deliver tangibles reliably. Again, based on projects I've been exposed to on KS, I've seen many projects outside the US and other English-speaking countries, I've seen pushback on projects where backers have to carefully parse the text or repeat videos because the communications are so broken - like using an ESL student or a web-based translation tool in batch. Again, I say these things not to be rude, but rather improve your chances of success and backer-growth.

      The other issues would require lengthy discourse and are outside the scope of the comment section. I will just touch on a few points.

      Will users have the ability to hide database color "hits" that were derived from input by other users? This seems like a real hassle as it generally means self-curation of potentially hundreds or thousands of "learned" color/beverage combinations that just happen to match based on color. I can see your code pushing lower-frequency hits down to the bottom of the presentation such that the more-likely combos work their way to the top, but it becomes something the user must curate (via some mechanism to delete entries - which further causes a synchronization issue - or via code that attempts to intelligently manage this without removing/hiding legitimate entries.

      Ok, I hope this blathering of mine is seen as useful. As before, it's not intended to incite anger or stress, but rather as my participation in the project (crowdfunding stems from crowdsourcing) in order to improve the project for everyone. Your success is MY success. Likewise, your failure is my failure so it only benefits to me provide my knowledge and experience towards the cause of success.

      Thanks again for listening and acting where you feel is appropriate. Notice I have backed at a full tier level (via backerclub), so I didn't pledge $1 or $5 for the privilege of posting and then disappearing. You'd be surprised the number of people who do this ONLY to cause trouble. Other times people back and then get scared away for various reasons as they see things about a project that turn them off. The more transparency, honesty, and responsiveness a project provides, the higher the chances it meets its funding goal AND delivers. Ok, almost 4am for me here in a very wet Texas, so I'm for bed.

    11. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      We are invited by Samsung in IFA show.

      IFA in Berlin presents the latest products and innovations in the heart of Europe‘s most important regional market. Only IFA offers such a comprehensive overview of the international market and attracts the attention of trade visitors each year from more than 100 countries.

      If you attend to IFA, please find us at SAMSUNG Booth.

    12. Kahuna Kevin on

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    13. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Craig,

      Hi, Craig. Thanks for your long comment.
       
      First of all, we’d like to thanks for your sincere comment. It was really helpful advice for us.
      We’ll start answering to your question from #3.
      This project is started from 1st generation of ‘eightcups’ that is a smart water bottle. There were many comments on our product: Does it distinguish contained beverage? Comments or reactions like these are the why we started next version of 8cups.
      As you commented, prismcups is in the early stage. However, our team solved certification matters such as FCC, CE, Rohs etc, and also constructed channel that provides delivery without worry about batteries (Li-Po). We believe these qualified and developed procedures are considered as our team's main strength.We guess that you already searched for it, but please visiting http://8cups.me for more information.
      As you also commented, time-consuming from actual manufacture to delivery could be longer than expected. We estimated about 1 year for those procedures based on the experience of manufacturing 1st generation products.
      4. Good question. It is really hard cases to solve that adding different sweeteners or ice melting. However, questions that you asked is already received many times before. Our team is assumed a premise that private’s beverage patterns would perform the formation. Which means, generally, people don’t put their beverage in their tumbler not more than one. In addition, the user who always drinks black coffee does not add syrup in his/her coffee. It would be optimized by building & stocking up user’s personal beverage consuming data.
      5. Also good question. We’re planning machine learning to apply every user’s data by building crowd source. We would update these data to crowd source by validating and curating these user’s data. As a result, level of accuracy is gradually improved. The point is that all these procedures are going to get better and better by time is going on. All these procedures are not so called ‘deep machine learning’ but still a good key word for marketing perspective.
       
      We would consider question #1,#2’s opinion.  :)
      Thanks for your sincere comments again.

    14. Craig Dunn
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      on

      Just a few comments from someone who has backed around 700 projects here on KS:

      1. Just like Amazon, you need to be careful with super positive reviews. For example, "kyu" had very nice things to say, but only joined this month, only backed this project, and only commented once - on THIS project. This is generally friends or family of the creators attempting to boost validity of a project. I'm not picking on "kyu," but this is considered bad form on KS and can actually lead to potential loss of backers because it gives a shady feeling.

      2. Out of the team, please find a native English speaker write all the copy (or at least proofread other people's work) before posting to anything campaign related. People tend to avoid campaigns where spelling, grammar, syntax is incorrect. It has the appearance of being non-professional and fly-by-night (regardless of a previous project which was NOT on KS).

      3. With respect to the long time line, this does not indicate to me that "it shows we know what we're doing." To me, it shows this project is in a VERY early stage with just some proof-of-concepts. There has been minimal design done and certainly no DFM (design for manufacturing). FCC, CE testing (if required for a charged device, shipping plans in place now that lithium batteries are a big problem in shipping to/from most countries....many little details that DO take a lot of time - and which is why most projects sort the use boring, but necessary, steps lined up.

      4. As an engineer, I have many concerns about how this works. Obviously, a mass spectrometer-type or gas chromatography testing module would be ideal/more accurate for this but the tradeoff is indeed expense. Using RGB (and IR - separate sensors or all-in-one - curious as to the module(s) used if this is the case) may he sensitivity and bitrate, etc would be nice (knowing the module(s) would at least detail specs). My concern is just how accurate can color testing be? Things I wonder are adding ice (of assorted ratios to the base beverage) diluting the color - even diluting it a various times within the same beverage instance. At each random time period, the dilution by melting ice is GOING to cause a color change and provide a mismatch with the database of known beverages. A similar situation is with coffee. Depending on the type and amount of creamer added to the same coffee, same roast, etc, the color is absolutely going to change. Oops. There's now a new beverage that needs to be added to the database. If can envision dozens, if not hundreds, of entries for essential the same cup of coffee. Also, there is generally NO color change when you add different sweeteners (not to mention different amounts), so pulling the data out of the database is going to miss the mark. You will miss the logged beverage. Even if you get the coffee right, you will fail the metrics for sugars and creamers (and their associated calories and sugar content). I would love to think a database, spreadsheet, CSV file, SOMETHING exists that at least has the core data ounces/milligrams, calories, sugars, and other nutritional content that could be used to provide color content.

      5. I know "machine learning" is a popular buzz phrase (especially for the marketing side of the house), but I'm not sure if it's being applied correctly in this case. You're basically doing a simple database query that passes, fails, or provides closest matches for the user to intervene and select from. Even if you solve the problems I mentioned above, you will need to provide a constantly-updated database (updated daily, if not more often) that is definitely crowd-sourced. As someone mentioned elsewhere (just like yelp/Amazon/homeadvisor/etc), this info needs to be validated or otherwise curated. You may also need to incentivize active and accurate data entry to quickly build a useful repository that really adds the main source of value. Finally, the process of refreshing the updated database to the device or associated phone/tablets/etc needs to be as easy and transparent as possible. Perhaps have it automatically update overnight during a definable set of hours, when the device is not in-use and possibly an opt-out checkbox...all of which are readily adjustable via a settings panel in the app.

      I may have more, but typing this much on a phone sucks. Hopefully you see this as constructive feedback and not trolling anybody or anyoôhhijthing. I'm happy to expound on any particular subject whether publicy, private message, or even email (easier to use on my hands).

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      Hong Min on

      Can't wait to have it. Guys go for it.

    16. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      Hi, all.

      We try to spread out this campaign to all kinds of media.

      Today, Prismcups are featured on Boygadgets.

      Thanks :)

      https://boygadgets.com/cool-awesome-inventions/prismcups-check-drinks/

    17. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @kyu Thanks a lot. We are so moved by your comment. We will do our best. Again, thank you.

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      Kyu Hyun Lee on

      I'm really looking forward to this product! Actually I'm a user of 8Cups which is the former version of the Prismcup. 8Cups helped me to get better from prostatitis because of my heavy caffeine ingestion. You know what pals, prostatitis is caused for bad habit of water ingestion. So my doctor told me to drink more water, but less coffee. 8cups, this prismcup’s earlier version really help me to drink water regularly. I’m glad to hear that the new version is coming out. Good luck to prism cup and remember! I’m still one of your strong supporters.

    19. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Kahuna, Sorry for the mail. Frankly, I didn't know that. To be honest, it was a general PR strategy because I am a newbie here. If I let you down, again my apologies.

    20. Kahuna Kevin on

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    21. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Taegoo, Thanks for your comment. You made a good point. Our time line seems too long, but it proves we have experiences in this area.

    22. Ted K on

      It really stands out from other smart bottles that simply help track water consumption. The delivery seems a bit longer than other products in KS but I believe that reflects the creator's well-organized plan to make this product be what it aims to be. So I backed this product.

    23. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Sungjae, Thanks!

    24. Sungjae Hwang
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      on

      Great project! I love it!

    25. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Ari, Hi. That’s a really good question!

      It is easy to distinguish in case of similar colors of beverages such as coke and Americano or orange and mango.

      However it is really hard to differentiate coke and diet coke that has 100% same color. That's why we are trying to overcome this problem with machine learning.
      If users define their brand of coke once, this brand name will be automatically updated on the app next time.
      The reason why we design UX like this is we think users have a particular drinking pattern.

      Even if it is not correct, we can recommend the brand name on the app so that they can modify easily.

      In short, the more you use it, the more it learns, and the smarter it gets.

      Please refer the UI in feature 2 on this campaign.

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      Ari
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      on

      Will the RGB sensors be able to differentiate between similar beverages? For example, two brands of orange juice with different nutrients. Or two coffee roasts with different amounts of caffeine.

    27. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      Oops. My mistake Rohit.

    28. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Robit, Hi, Robit. It would be 11~12 oz. Thanks!

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      Rohit Bansod on

      How much ml of liquid does the bottle holds?

    30. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Majed Alshehhi
      I am so moved!! Here shows our customer!! Can't thank you enough!
      Let me answer you.
      We don't plant to apply that feature on this new product. We think the purposes of these two products are different.
      In terms of alarm on app, YES. We will develop that feature.

      Please, become our customer again. That makes us realize why we develop these products.

    31. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      @Rohit Bansod Hi. Thanks for your questions.
      1. YES.
      2. Depends on your weight and height but if you want to change it, again YES.
      3. YES!!!

      Don't hesitate to ask us if you have any further question.

    32. Majed Alshehhi on

      I tried the 8cups and I really liked the idea of "the more you drink water, the more money you will get", are you going to implement this feature again?
      One problem I faced with 8cups was that the bottle blinks to remind me to drink water but I don't notice it, are you going to make phone notification or a small sound or vibration from the bottle?
      Thank you

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      Rohit Bansod on

      In case I use it to drink just water can I
      1. Track my water intake?
      2. Set daily goals?
      3. Get notifications to drink water?

    34. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      Yes, we will do the test but it will be a sample test, not all of them, Thanks for your compliment. :)

    35. Quinton Banfield
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      @creator. Okay thanks. Well I'm always up for putting things to the test. So I might just have to try it ! Are you planning to do a drop test ? Or maybe that will come as more funds come in to support breaking one ?
      And that is good charge time
      Thanks !

    36. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      It is allowed to wash like any other bottle. Easy!!
      It takes 3~4 hours for the full charge and the battery life keeps about 5 days. It depends on user's pattern.

    37. 8CUPS Inc. Creator on

      Hi Quinton. Thanks for your question. The material of this cups is tritan that is usually stronger than any other plastics. But your industry should be pretty tough. Honestly, can't recommend it but you can try it in different places such as gym or home.

    38. Quinton Banfield
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      on

      Also is it easy to wash ? And how long does a charge last ?

    39. Quinton Banfield
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      on

      Hello, how strong is this bottle ? I work in the trucking industry and it can get pretty bumpy and dirty. So will it always stay clean ?