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@Devin - I had it packed with all my gear to Thailand for a rally. We drove from Ko Lanta Krabi to Jakarta Indonesia in a 3-wheel 1/2HP rickshaw (tuk-tuk). On the way out, through handling, It got beat up a bit. I would have still used it but the bottom seal was split. When I recoup from the cost of that trip, I'll look into buying another. Bummed I didn't get to even try it out. I had a Kelly Kettle from an African Rally that worked great but was huge. This was a perfect replacement.
All -- I know, I know, most have long since cleaned, figured things out, but since I'm posting -- I found "Simple Green" worked well as a degreaser for the inside, and then a bunch of soaks using boiling (not hot, actually boiling) soapy water seemed to remove most of the manufacturing/cutting residue. In theory for the next run it might make sense to pay for a professional clean of them, industrial builders have access to a pile of cleaning facilities we at home don't. I worked in an electrostatic painting plant in the summers back in high school and we had several processes for degreasing and cleaning machined parts -- and at the end of the process the parts were food safe. Just a thought for future production.
@Brian Tucker, if you decide to try a bottom seam patch, I'd suggest using masking tape to mask out about 1-1.5mm above the seam all the way around, applying the JB weld with a small syringe worked for me (was a mess to get the viscous epoxy in the syringe) and then used a small piece of rounded cardstock to create a nice chamfer in the epoxy. The dark grey on the anodized aluminum doesn't look hugely out of place (almost the same colour as the neoprene cover) and functions well. Since it isn't recommended for over 500F I don't think I'd use it to patch holes in direct flame contact, but for the minor seam imperfections I had it works fine.
@Brian Tucker - sorry for the delayed reply. Haven't been checking in much. I can't speak for JB Weld too much, but I did look up NSF (http://www.nsf.org/Certified/PwsComponents/Listings.asp…) and on the JB Site (http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php) and it is a non-toxic product. Given when/where I use the boiler, and the micro-holes in mine I'm taking an "informed" risk I guess. It works pretty well, not perfect. I'm still hoping Devin comes through with a replacement boiler... but at least for the moment I have something that is passably functional, and it was kinda fun to experiment with.
Oh no! I've flown with mine several times, but either have it in my carry-on or well padded against the baggage apes. What happened to it?
Bummed! I brought mine to SE Asia for a rally and it got damaged on the way out there by luggage handling. I should have packed it better. The lightweight design doesn't lend itself to super ruggedness. Didn't even get to try it out!!!!
Hi bayleaf - I'll be sending you one from the new batch as a replacement.
Emailed you on Apr 17th & PM you on May 8th.
Still have not heard from you. Would appreciate a reply.
Brian - I'll send you one from the new batch. Just help me remember.
a_b - I have something in the works on improving the Boiler for snow melting.
Mark & others - thanks for the notes! The inside of all future Boilers will be FAR CLEANER. :)
@Neil Bunn, I noticed you plan to use JB Weld on your boiler - is that water safe? can you still consume the water from the boiler if it's sealed with JB Weld? I need to repair mine as well.
sadness, my boiler took a tumble today. I was going to do a test run, and time the start up to boil time. The full boiler fell a couple feet from the table to my wood deck. This dented the bottom seal, which now leaks. sad end to a long wait.
not sure if it is possible to fix/re-seal the dent or not.
As you (Devin M) have some reject boilers, you could try making the "Snow Country Boiler":
saw off top of boiler (except chimney) to make a "tall bundt cake tin like item", which could then be packed with snow as well as water ( could use a lid with a hole
for chimney to pass thru).
PC: earlier posts recommen Baking Soda.
any solutions for removing the anodizing residue on the inside? I also many many aluminum(?) bits just sticking all around on the inside.
Boiled it up, rinsed it, soaked it. But still when I take a sample of water, I can still see the bits just coming out.
Sticking my finger into the boiler and rubbing on the inside of the shell, I am always able to find some bits here and there.
If you need pictures, just leave your email and I will send them to you.
Hopefully, there will be some solutions as I am not particularly inclined to using it as is.
And by the way, I really like it. It was a lot of fun to play with.
My comments below are hopefully constructive for future development. They aren't complaints.
I look forward to the fully commercial product.
Got my anodized boiler a few weeks ago and just fired it up. Here are some observations.
I’m amazed you can boil the water with just a handful of sticks. Very impressive to me who has done a lot of campfire camping.
Kind of smoky. Especially on startup. I was using pine sticks and that may have something to do with it. Lots of tarry residues on the inside cone. This would be a problem over time. Not sure I would want to put this back in my pack even with the stuff sack .
Have you thought about a titanium model? The titanium should be pretty resistant to having residues stick to it.
And I almost forget. LOTS of residue inside the water chamber when the boiler arrived. I multiple rinsed and did three boilings, but I’m still not comfortable drinking out of it.
So I'll update my comment below to say that the gel fuels wouldn't work properly, I wasn't really staring at the firefelt when I considered it, but you'd need a thin liquid to get the right capillary action. Tried it with methyl alcohol (lower BTU than ethyl alcohol) and it works great, takes more fuel than in the instructions for a boil (closer to 45ml) but that's to be expected given the 20% lower caloric value of methyl alcohol. ;) Burner works great. I also found that rinsing the inside of the boiler with non-toxic "simple green" did a great job of removing the machining oils that were inside when it arrived. Further cleaned it using a flexible (gooseneck) gripper I had with a bit of a rag and things seem to be pretty good. ;)
Hi Everyone, well, I had a seeping boiler, and Devin is really doing a great job at trying to keep everyone happy, so I'm sticking with the "replacement" option in the future, but in the meantime have tried using a thin seam of JB Weld along the bottom seam (masking taped just above, used a tongue depressor to create a nice smooth "caulk" along the edge), so far, so good. Was wondering if anyone who got the firefelt has tried it with the "gel" version of denatured ethanol? Plenty of supply of it up here (Canada) and harder to find just regular "thin" alcohol (I remember using it as a Scout all the time, so I'm guessing some rule has changed). Contemplating trying the Gel, it is still fairly runny, and pourable, but definitely not the same as pure liquid. Thoughts?
Hi Joe - Sorry about the leak - there were supposed to be 100% QC'd. The options for those with leaks are to either keep and use until I can get more made (in process as discussed in the update) or send back for a refund.
Devin, Glad to finally have a Boiler in my hands, but mine leaks. Please get in touch with me about my leaking Boiler, and let me know about my options.
Now, all I have is an aluminum paperweight.
As posted in the Updates section and also in my direct email to you:
Thank you for the update. Request that you refund my money for the signature boiler, shipping cost, and the FireFelt Alcohol Wick. I'll follow up with a personal email as well with the exact amounts.
Hi Devin, still waiting for an email about options for my seeping boiler. Very sad that I can't fire it up!
Thanks for the support Dave and A_B. I'll email you, Jeff and Tony.
Devin, you have an email from me regarding update 31.
Finally received mine about 2 weeks ago but horrible anodization (?) residue inside the water container that won't come out despite my best efforts.
Hey Devin, I received my boiler just before Christmas, but have still not received the Firefelt. When are you shipping those? Thanks
Folks, have a little more patience with Devin on his adventure of pain! I was one of the lucky ones who received my boiler about a month ago. This past weekend, I took our scouts on high adventure with my BCBoiler... was worth the wait! My pack was lighter without the typical fuel cell by almost a pound. The chimney/heat rise and heat transfer from sticks, twigs and leaves was impressive, and effective. Lightweight, fun to use...great design. Thanks Devin and Co., Great job. Wishing you luck on the humps and patience for those who wait. I know you've learned a lot from your experience, will continue to tweak your development, and I hope to be a part of your next big idea. http://www.davemezdesign.com/misc/BCBoiler.JPG
Some people seem to be forgetting that it was the sub-contractor who caused the problems, not Devin Montgomery himself.
Hello, it has been 4 days, still no "contact". Simple question, Is my boiler in the so-called 1% that did not ship? It has been a nearly a month and you have not answered this question.
Neal - I'll have something for you later today.
John - did you receive my email? If not, please write me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Regardless of how amazing this product might be, over 10 months have passed by since payment was taken and I still have not received mine. I ordered a Boiler Signature without any engraving at all. One would have thought that those of us paying/supporting the most for this kickstarter product would have been given the priority over the others. The product might be awesome when I receive it and get too use it, but from a kickstarter project perspective, this has been a huge disappointment for me. I understand the problems you have been through Devin, but this has all been a kickstarter project gone bad for some of us. You achieved three times the goal of what you stated you needed and you have supporters who still do not have their product after 10 months of payment.
Hey Devin. I know you are busy but I'm still waiting to hear from you regarding my leaking boiler. You said you would contact me this past Monday but have not received any word.
Hi Neil - any seepage is a problem. I'll shoot you an email on our options.
Got my boiler today! Wahoo. Doing a water fill test and finding a very small amount of seepage around the bottom lip over the course of a half-hour. So, what constitutes a problem? Any seepage at all means I can't carry water in it, but what are others experiencing?
Hi Jeff & Robert - you both should have gotten emails from me. I'll get back you there on what we can work out.
Devin, I posted here and emailed you 2 times with no response. Is my boiler in the so-called 1% that did not ship? On March 20th you said all but 1% shipped and if it did not you would contact the people. I have not had any email to say mine did not ship. At this point I just want my $ back.
Hi Devin - I sent a message to you on Mar 29th. The boiler I received has a leak around the bottom seam. Please advise on how I can return it and get one without a leak. Thx.
Sorry to hear about the leak, Sean. The next step is to email me, which I see you just did. I'll follow up with you there.
I finally got my boiler today, and it leaks. there's a small pin hole near the bottom of the outer wall.
Has anyone found a cup or bowl that nests over the BCB?
Devin, please confirm you got my message with my new address.
Hi Gerard - I thought I had gotten back to your message, but will email you about it.
Hi Devin I emaild you over a week ago about a problem with my boiler is there any update?
@JAmes. I got 5 of my 6pack. A note from Devin that one was screwed up with the etching and he is working on it. We will see how it plays out. the other 5 are beautiful, by the way. I e-mailed him back asking for the fire felt. I hope to get the 6 outfitted with fire felt when the last one ships. Everyone be patient. You will like it when you get it.
Got my Boiler last week and have put it through three burns. It really boils the water quickly. I can recommend carrying a length of fatwood (pitch wood) in the chimney. Just a few shavings along with the twigs ensures a good ignition. Thanks for the tip about the water and baking soda. After three burns, I'm seeing a decrease in the small shavings floating up, but I want to get it good and clean before I start adding to food or making drinks.
An aside: Death to the M-Kettle. Even if I could have one shipped to my door for a dollar, I still wouldn't support that rip-off artist.
Hi James - the Backcountry Boiler was called the "Montgomery Kettle" while it was in development in an online backpacking forum. The mkettle is a much heavier knockoff made by a guy who followed my progress there. It's much easier to make because it weighs nearly twice as much. I realize everyone who doesn't have theirs yet is impatient, but I'd really appreciate the knockoff not being plugged on my project page. Thanks.
I finally got an email update from Devin! He's working anodizing and etching issues for the last few of us who are waiting. It's much easier to be patient and remain calm when at least you get a status. Meanwhile, I'm testing out an anodized version of the mKettle. Got it for 75 bucks and it was delivered in less that a week. Looking forward to doing a head-to-head performance comparison...
Soak it for a few hours in water and baking soda.
I was sent my notice on the 8th as well. still no shipping notice.
Pretty crappy first kick-starter experience.
Any tips for cleaning the inside of the boiler from grease? Mine arrived today and it is still very dirty after 5 boils and several rounds of cleaning with hot water and soap.
Like you I also received the Mar 8 shipping info, and it has gone into limbo since then - however - I don't think there's any reason to contact Kickstarter about the issue. We all backed Devin's project, which is a massive undertaking for an individual, it would have been so even for a small company. I'm sure he's feeling the pressure of all of this, and when it's finally all said and done everyone will have learned from this experiment/experience.
I'm looking forward to receiving my long awaited boiler, and I hope Devin is able to come up for air sometime soon!