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Ha, $24 refund on an $87 pledge. Ridiculous.
So Kickstarter won't follow up with these scam artists, but they do have the time to follow up and delete Ryan's posts - classy move.
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Wait, you guys still haven't received your partial refunds? Contact him on LinkedIn.
Nothing...no refund...no ICP1...Epic fail!!
they should have just shipped us all these
I have not received a refund.. LINK!
Well this looks familiar
I also received my iControlpad 1 sometime in early January. Well! I'm just happy I finally got something. It's actually a pretty decent little controller, too bad it's never going to be MFI compatible. So much for the open source part, huh? Oh well, a lesson learned is a lesson learned. I'm never crowdfunding anything through Kickstarter again.
Well, I feel like an idiot. It was indeed a screen protector. It was hard to remove and it seemed like it was the screen that was scratched. No harm done!
I got the same Jocelyn, my display looks used, according to the instructions there is supposed to be two screen protector over the screen. On mine there only appears to be one. I had to pay a landing fee of $25 for a "new" unit as well.
So I opted for the GCW-Zero and received an used unit in bad condition with a heavily scratched screen. I sent a mail a few days ago (with pictures) to try to resolve this issue with no replies.
I found this- hxxp://boards.openpandora.org/topic/17297-looking-for-icp-25a-firmware-but-all-sites-have-been-taken-down/?hl=icontrolpad. All files including manual and firmware flasher and firmware upgrade.
Can anyone point me to ICP1 documentation? It appears that the web page redirects here, and my package didn't include anything.
I also received my icontrolpad yesterday. I'm sad that there still doesn't exist something equivalent to the original idea. Oh well.
Received my icontrolpad 1. Glad that this is over for me. Good luck to everyone else.
Got back $24 of $87... awful. Just awful
Make that $21.06. PayPal got their cut.
Pledged $81 and just got back $22. Glad the "refunds" are starting to roll out, bummed we are only getting back about a quarter of our money.
Whatever, I can finally shut the door on this mess.
Pledged $87, refunded $24.. awesome
@Florian I'm not too impressed with Mark's handling of things here either. Communication has been poor and the outcome is rubbish. I can't fathom why Mark didn't pull the plug earlier, it was obvious to me and many others that the project was doomed and we were all being lied to many months before he finally decided to act. But given Mark was foolish enough to front a project for a known incompetent and dishonest person like Craig in the first place, I can't say he has the best judgement.
Wow.. I mean, if it is Mark deleting comments on here: Way to look like the good guy who didn't have any part in losing our money..
How about you flag my comments less Mark and actually improve the conditions surrounding this project so I don't need to make them.
@ramboky: Thanks. Has anyone done that (not in general, going after Craig)? Would probably be easier if there was a case everybody could point to.
As for Mark not going after Craig: I wouldn't like to have enabled some guy to steal an amount of money that a lot of people won't ever see in their lifes and then to have done nothing about it. I have personally never made a mistake of those proportions in my life. Sorry, Mark.
But I see how this is all going nowhere.
@Florian You could file a small claim if you were in the UK. It costs nothing if you win (which you almost certainly will) and very little if you lose. A couple of people have already done this. Why would Mark bother going after Craig? Any legal action will be extremely expensive and there's little chance Craig will have any money to pay, even if it's successful. As for an international lawsuit, I doubt 100k is even close to enough.
You options are to go after Mark or just suck it up. Unfortunate, but there it is.
Well, afaik we gave money to whomever officially helmed the Kickstarter (i.e. NOT Craig), the money then went to Craig, and he did who-the-hell-knows-what :-( If I was the one who had officially received all the money in the first place I would now like to get it back from Craig. Isn't 100k+ enough for an international lawsuit? What could I do in the UK. If I could sue him there, why hasn't anyone (there must be UK citizens around here) done it? Or are we talking about punching him in the nose? I think there are other reason why that might not be the best idea :-(
@Florian It's us Craig owes money to, no one else. The "they" you're talking about is you and me. But unless you reside in the UK there's little that can be done. About all most of us can do is make sure Craig's name is associated with this project and his dishonesty and incompetence as much as possible.
Where's my money?
Are there numbers on how much Craig took? If it's 150k, then why aren't they going after him?
They should at least throw in a "Craig J V Rothwell is a thief" T-shirt for everyone. :-D
@ramboky: Thank you. I was told (by whoever manages the refund email address) that info on this was posted. If it is just some tiny amounts and then "everything else - craig stole it" then that's not a satisfactory explanation. What was the reason we (or better yet, the remaining guys behind the Kickstarter) don't send a bunch of lawyers after Craig, I forget...
@Florian You're right, there can't have been any legitimate spending on shipping. Unfortunately the large sum of money that was transferred to Craig has disappeared and because he's refusing to front up and answer questions it remains unaccounted for. In short: Craig J V Rothwell is a thief and he stole your money.
Okay, so WHERE do I find a detailed report of where the freakin' money went? I got back about the amount that I paid extra for worldwide shipping. There can't be any spendings on that, right? So I can't count it toward any kind of refund. So where did ~75% percent of the money go? anyone have a link? (no I did not read through every single update ... again)
I pledged $120 and haven't received crap. YAY! BEST. KICKSTARTER. EVER.
I received around $27US back, pledge tier was 69 + 20 shipping. Honestly I didn't expect anything at all after Craig Rothwell did a runner, just glad it's over. I hope Craig enjoys his free holiday / yacht.
I can't see myself backing anything on Kickstarter ever again.
I pledged $160 for two controllers and haven't gotten any response or refund back. So those of you who have consider yourself lucky you got something and I emailed the same day the post said to email asking for a refund.
@Sparr Risher You are a stark illustration of someone who chimes into a conversation they haven't been a part of to make a point that's already been discussed and rebuffed over and over. Read the terms and conditions of being a creator then get back to us when you know what you're talking about.
@AIR Well the refund rate is 4:15 so you get $4 back for every $15 spent.
So you get $20 back if you spent $75
6.67 - 25
20 - 75
40 - 150
or 26.67% of your monkey back
so let's take your ammount
so well done you got about 60 cents more than you should have so now you can give it to charity or buy a doughnut.
I have only received 26 dollar out of 95 dollar pledged.
Is that correct?
There will be crowdfunding regulations setup by the government, it's only a matter of time. They are needed badly.
Kickstarter is not an investment service as it is not federally governed like all other investment services. If this is investing, I want a quarterly report with clear indications of where the money is going and how it is being used. Until then, this is exactly the same as a store, and Kickstarter themselves markets it as one.
This comment thread is a stark illustration of how many people want to buy products, instead of back projects, on Kickstarter. Do you people not realize how this site works? You aren't paying $112 for a piece of hardware. You're paying $112 to fund a project. *IF* the project is successful, you get the piece of hardware. If it's not, then you made a bad investment. That's what every pledge is, an investment.
My concern is that I think Mark (ithic) will still be working with upcoming projects as the U.S. Distributor for gaming devices. I have zero faith in his ability to manage anything. I don't think I can support a project that uses ithic as a distributor after the way this project was handled. If I ever want to buy a gcwzero, I'm going to have to go to eBay.
@Steven Kalz - I have been in contact with the Consumer Assistance Program of the University of Vermont (https://www.uvm.edu/consumer/…). I suggest you do the same if you feel similarly about the curators needing to be held accountable.
I did not receive any refunds. Where can i check?
I couldn't agree more Ben Lorenz, I've backed many projects as you can see from my profile.. I have another backer that never followed through on his project. I was fully refunded though. I trusted these people because of his previous success with this last controller. I guess next time I will just pledge 1$ and see what happens from now on. I pledged $92 dollars and was refunded $31 He stated that kickstarter takes 10% off the top.. that should leave me with $83 dollars to make it fair. I can understand there being a fee with cash that you never see, but if you bought these parts and you can't refund all of them then you need to sell them to someone. I have over 50 dollars in product that they cannot sell and is theirs right now. If anyone wants to start a class action lawsuit going I'm sure out of the 2,168 backers we can find someone that's a lawyer or someone that can take this global and give kick starter a bad name as well as this company.
So Ryan gets a full refund, I get about a 70% refund, and everyone else gets like a 27% refund... and we are all still left in the dark as to what the hell actually happened with this project.
I still feel dirty, and will never look at Kickstarter the same way.
I have received 27% of the pledge, just lost 59$ (and some hair ...).
I've now received my refund, it's about 1/3 of the initial investment including postage. Considering how much money Craig pissed away, I'm happy to be seeing even that.