Use this space to cheer the creator along, and talk to your fellow backers.
Have a question?
Too many crooks, not enough honest ones but plenty of fools myself included.
Shame on David and Jerry. Shame you did not listen to your original backers, us kickstarter backers. Shame on hiding behind a firm to sell of any remaining assets for their own profit. Shame on you for keeping us in the dark so often. Shame on not even making the designs etc open source. Shame on even trying to sell these and the patent to us. Shame, shame!
I do like the idea of this being a forum of sorts in the future. Any idea how long Kickstarter keeps these 'dead' pages going?
1st they steal our money and then they sell the equipment where the funds go into a trust where fees are paid to who knows who or a kickback now they want us or someone to buy their patent fool me once but twice shame on me never again. fuk kickstarter
fuk these scammer
Let me get this straight. You spent our money and now you want us to buy the leftovers. The gall. You should be ashamed.
There's nothing that gets the band back together quite like fiduciary duties.
Such a sad thing that this project didn't make it to reality and I think the creators are to be blamed to a degree.
Irrelevant to what happens before, I think there is still a chance to make this happen but not by hoping for the creators to make it but by teaming up and making it as a group.
The information disclosed so far by the creators is almost all one would need to make the watch.
All it needs is a 3d drawing and a metal cuff bracelet manufacturer in China.( I have done this before so I know how easy this is)
We know exactly what battery they used as they listed it in one of their updates. I googled it and it is widely available for the public.
They listed this as well in one of their updates. Again google brought it up and is also available to the public.
The screen is a simple paper thin flexible e-ink display for which there are countless manufacturers in China and are easily available online.
Programming the PCB:
This is the only thing I wouldn't know how to do myself. but surely there are people among the backers who could.
I know I make it sound easier than it is, but it could be done with some work.
It is not a one man job but a team of people could pull it off...
Creating the band is a very easy process and finding a cuff bracelet manufacturer in China is very easy.
Dave Vondle, Jerry O’Leary, I just hope that anyone looking for your names will find this campaign and our comments...
Hey all! Just your regular reminder that we all got scammed, and that I love each and every one of you and know you'll do great things in life. :)
The CST-01 guys? Yeah, whatever, screw them. Hopefully they fail at everything forever haha...
The way I see it, we each paid ~$129 to be a member of a super-exclusive sub-forum. Hopefully we're all still posting in here in 20 years, with stories of new families, houses, boats... yeah... <3
lol, first time I've logged into Kickstarter in a couple of years....not expecting to find people STILL commenting on this dead scam. TIME to move on peeps. Live and learn.
Hi. I know you can't read this because you're living in your one million dollar van and all... sorry about the lack of wifi. Anyways, I just wanted to wish you the worst of luck in every single business endeavor you ever sink your lying, dirty paws into. I hope the hundred dollar steak you bought with my investment tasted delicious. Your parents must be super proud.
I love checking in on the tumbleweeds here every so often. It's clear nothing here will ever happen. What money they received is gone, their presence is nil, and now we see a steady trickle of grumbles (like this) from now until the end of....time.
Refund would be nice
Well done, guys! Top notch theft!
Some great entrepreneurs here. Saw an opportunity and took it. Can't fault them for that. If KS allows fraud and theft to occur, it's really KS' fault.
As a Baker from Hour 0 of this project, I just want to know everybody to know that I am both disappointed in them as well as in Kickstarter. That is also the reason why this was the first and last time I ever did crowdsourcing on this platform.
However, I couldn't fill out the legal forms to file a lawsuite due to missing information about payment and so on, that said I am really no help.
To all others who feel the same way: My money gone, but I take it as a reminder to be more careful about those things, as I never thought we could be tricked that hard.
How I can refund my money back please?
Yup, Joyeux Noël à tous ! Minus 2 of course.
Hope you liars have a good Christmas!
Nice idea Drew,
Merry Christmas to everybody here. Well, everybody- 2 of course ;-)
Just wanted to wish everyone in here a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Kwanza, etc... we may have all been scammed by this jerk, but at least we're in this together! :D
If people stumble on this page by chance, you will find a good summary in this article : http://observer.com/2015/06/botched-1m-kickstarter-cst-01-had-another-secret-investment-made-up-van-sob-story/
How CST-01 team will have a good Christmas Holidays with all our money!
Just saying that not everyone here have money to waste, a**holes!
This projector keep reminds me that KS is a bullshit.
So, is this project officially done?
I hope you two were thankful for all of the money you stole from the backers. I am sure your family is proud of you.
i think kickstarter is also a complete fraud and would suggest my friends to stay away from this platform.
Another KS scam - post to twitter and let the world know.
Do not use KS.
So here we are some 90 - 180 days later. How did the liquidation process go? As the anger slowly but surely fades the disappointment in eyeryone involved with this project grows. From Kickstarter to the project creators to the people running the so called CST Creditors Trust. The only one i trust is the higher being - lets call it fate - that will do the justice ... as no one of the aforementioned human beings will stand their ground. Thank you for a lesson learned.
There is no stock Lars. They supposedly spent the money for thousands of parts but cant even show a picture of them.
If there are no parts then where is the money?
I have a pretty good idea.
I submitted the form that you guys set out what feels like ages ago now, all I want are the components to make the watch, regardless of whether I'd be able to make it properly. I want to give making the watch a try.
Please send me the parts, I know you guys must have some stock on hand, some people got their watches.
it's incredible that these liars and thieves cannot be punished by laws of the United States. These liars and thieves can be easily human flesh searched and taken to the justice even in China. Where are the greatest laws of the USA?
I had totally forgotten about this campaign of theft. Surprised to see the page is still active; I would have thought kickstarter would have hidden its shame like an ugly relative in the basement.
Long live the CST thieves; pricks better have gotten something really pretty with my $
Soooo... where is my watch ?
Unfortunately, yes, it looks like the the CST crooks have won because it took too long for the Illinois AG and FTC to take action :( It'll be up to us to warn others about any future projects these guys get involved in and also Kickstarter's lack of support.
Is that how those guys won?
@ Robert Russell: I agree with you completely. I'm done backing projects that have HIGH expectations or are for any sort of technology unless it is from a creator that has had plenty of previous successes like PLX Devices.
@innocrave : Buccaneer 3d printer and CST-01 in the same article! http://www.androidauthority.com/6-crowdfunded-devices-were-still-waiting-for-703433/
I just came to kick starter to see abt my Buccaneers 3D printer to be disappointed $497 lost. Went through some more projects I backed to be disappointed 3 more times almost $1k lost in Kickstarter wow.
Anyone got an answer from the ftc? Not talking about the letter they sent to everyone...
Heck, at this point, I don't know why I'm even commenting on this. But...
I'm completely done with crowdfunding and Kickstarter -- and buying anything retail from a Kickstarter-funded company, since I've been waiting 14 months for my Sesame lock.
One thought if you want blood for their $129: civil lawyers want something of value they can go after, and I sense Dave & Jerry have far less cash than Ben & Jerry. Even if they're personally liable, it's easy to declare personal bankruptcy. Neither one is showing his Tesla on Facebook ... although Jerry isn't going by "Jerry" anymore.
Now, if someone in China can prove that there was a coordinated fraud and no parts were ever bought, perhaps the Illinois AG or DOJ will get interested in criminal Fraud charges, since this could be a politically positive case. But that would require someone entering a Flextronics or contractor plant to photograph empty boxes or copy paperwork, not likely.
If you're continuing to pursue restitution and justice, I wish you luck and thank you for your efforts. I'm outta here.
At one time I said this project look like a scam, after that another backer replayed "I can believe you call this a scam" o something like that. My question to that backer is, Do you believe you were not scam? I'm sorry that so many of us were let down.
Well, paypal is removing their "buyers protection" from payments toward crowdfunding projects:
If you ever wanted to know on how big a scale scamming is going on in crowdfunding, there you have it: paypal loses enough money to react to this, so it must be a lot higher than the in the single digit millions.
Im practically done with crowdfunding, this project was the last nail in the coffin.
I never received anything from this project. it's a sham. they took my money and I never recieved anything from them.
Kickstarter are refusing to confirm to me which legal entity they transferred the money to. It looks as though the money we paid was to David Vondle and Jerry O’Leary 'trading as' Central Standard Design, which was not a limited liability entity - therefore they are still both personally responsible for the funds.
Please ask Kickstarter to confirm the entity yourselves. They're being very obstructive in clarifying.
@Trogdor wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with CST. They can't exactly prove they ever purchased any of the components.
Interesting read about another KS campaign where someone used money to build their house...