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A 0.80mm thin flexible wristwatch with an E Ink display housed in a single piece of stainless steel.
A 0.80mm thin flexible wristwatch with an E Ink display housed in a single piece of stainless steel.
7,658 backers pledged $1,026,292 to help bring this project to life.

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    1. Creator Jordan 3 days ago

      Hi Lak,

      I think you can still file a complaint with the Illinois AG and FTC since the financial transaction occurred here in the US.

      Illinois Attorney General Consumer Complaint On-Line Submission Form: https://ccformsubmission.ilattorneygeneral.net/

      FTC Complaint: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov Select "Internet services, online shopping, or computers" then "Online shopping"
      Seller/Provider: Dave Vondle and Jerry O'Leary doing business as Central Standard Timing
      Address: 3039 W Fullerton Ave # 2
      Chicago, IL 60647-2807

    2. Creator Lak 4 days ago

      Hi, guys!
      I am not a American (I am from Taiwan), Is anything I can do to support this?

    3. Creator Jordan 7 days ago

      @Bryan - Thanks for pointing me to ripoffreport.com, I had not heard of it before :)

    4. Creator SC 7 days ago

      Since they continue to give us silence, I'll continue to post about this on ripoff report and other sites.

      Update: 56 Days since they'd "update us in a week"

    5. Creator Bryan VanAlmkerk on August 26

      What i have found to be best to make something show up under there name is to do rip off reports go to ripoffreport.com and file complaints under there personal names and companies. That will show up on google.

    6. Creator Jordan on August 25

      @David - It's unfortunate but I think things are going to have to head in that direction. This project had clear deliverables and they have not been met. We've taken the first step by filing complaints with the BBB, FTC, and Illinois AG but if Vondle and O'Leary continue ignoring us, we'll have to take it to the next level. Vondle and O'Leary need to understand that they are accountable to us. They also need to understand that this is not going away unless they deliver. There's no "fake it until you make it" here. Any future employer, partner, or backer will need explanations from Vondle and O'Leary about this failure. The internet is not going to forget this. They either man up or accept that their names are tarnished forever.

    7. Creator David Livermore on August 24

      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4497650/dsmart_demand_letter_to_rsi-final.pdf

      Wonder how long until someone does something like this for this project?

    8. Creator Jordan on August 24

      Dave Vondle and Jerry O'Leary, you continue to disrespect all of the backers with your lack of communication but I guess we should know better by now after reading about your utter contempt for backers with your "fake it until you make it" and "haters" presentations.

    9. Creator Ken Lau on August 24

      when can i get my money back ?

    10. Creator Chris on August 24

      @Jordan
      Done, filed with FTC and Illinois attorney general.

      If these guys don't cough up some valid receipts for all the money spent I hope they get sued into oblivion. At this point there's no evidence that they didn't just funnel all the cash into some private account somewhere.

    11. Creator SC on August 24

      Don't worry Johannes, the site says they'll be back "soon".

      Of course, we all know what that word means to CST. Could be several years.

    12. Creator Johannes on August 24

      Looks like they pulled the website offline.

      http://centralstandardtiming.com/

    13. Creator paul120987 on August 19

      Maybe we could just ask Flextronics directly how many parts they have/had. They are really ours after all.

    14. Creator SC on August 19

      Update:

      Quickly approaching 50 days since they'd "update us in a week"

    15. Creator Jordan on August 18

      Everyone, if you haven't already done so please fill out complaints to the Illinois Attorney General and FTC.

      Illinois Attorney General Consumer Complaint On-Line Submission Form: https://ccformsubmission.ilattorneygeneral.net/

      FTC Complaint: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov Select "Internet services, online shopping, or computers" then "Online shopping"

      Seller/Provider: Dave Vondle and Jerry O'Leary doing business as Central Standard Timing
      Address: 3039 W Fullerton Ave # 2
      Chicago, IL 60647-2807

    16. Creator Fred on August 18

      i am from germany and i filled the complaints and hope something will happen with dave and jerry... money i equal for me, but this two §$%&!"() should not laugh in their home of stupid greenhorns like me and swimming in the pool greening. I think jail is better for them...

    17. Creator James Fisher on August 17

      They lost any and all form of business ethics about 18 months ago. When they knew the project had failed and continued to lie to everyone that it is still going to plan just a little late.

      Dave and Jerry. Please feel free to jump in at any point...... If I have missed read this whole situation. I'm sure there is a perfectly valid reason for the "we are shipping update" , the "fake till you make it" one. Getting people who you worked with to put reviews up, thinking no one will notice. The complete lack of evidence you actully bought any more than 50 parts. How you spent money people added directly for shipping. The fake staying in a van. Etc etc etc

    18. Creator Alex on August 17

      @Creators you can log in yet still be silent to us for months, grow the fuck up and deal with the disaster you created ignoring us doesn't make the issue go away it just infuriates people. Show you have business ethics and fix the issue you created

    19. Creator David Livermore on August 12

      @Brett Schenker - Kickstarter could care less about the money we are out. Until laws are passed and the courts make rulings on situations like this, they will continue profiting.

      If Kickstarter was held liable for projects, you would see them getting more involved.

    20. Creator SC on August 12

      Creator Central Standard Timing on July 2

      Hi everyone, the last we heard from Flextronics is that we will need to wait for about another week before we can get their response about the parts we will be picking up from their facility. As soon as we hear back, we'll let you know.

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      Time Elapsed: 41 Days

    21. Creator Brett Schenker on August 12

      Remember, Kickstarter gets 5% of the projects, so they netted $51,314.60 off of this fraud. If the company had any scruples they'd refund at least that to the backers. It might be $6.70 a person, but at least they wouldn't be profiting off of fraud.

    22. Creator John Miller on August 11

      @Jordan Thanks for the explanation. I will file my complaint. There is also a Facebook group called Crowd funding projects that never delivered ( or something close). I will post the complaint info there.

    23. Creator Jordan on August 11

      @John The office has probably only received a handful of complaints so it would not be prudent for them to begin an investigation yet. That's why we need every backer to get involved and file complaints with the Illinois AG and FTC. Even if you were a $5 backer, your reward is no longer available as the link provided is no longer working. The Illinois AG and FTC needs to see that there CST has defauded a decent percentage of the backers. The problem is our only method to communicate with other backers is this comment section and CST has probably alienated enough backers to make sure they are no longer checking the comments section.

    24. Creator John Miller on August 11

      There is something here I'm having trouble understanding. The Illinois Attorney general ( staff) reaches out to these idiots and they choose not to respond and they then close the case???? Shouldn't that action start the further investigation as they have chosen to not cooperate? It just sounds like strange governmental illogic to me.

    25. Creator J S on August 10

      Jordan privacy seems to be an unfounded excuse from them. In my opinion they could easily provide service where you "mail" a backer but it goes through Kickstarter which forwards it to the backers email address, so you never come to know his email address and when he answers it functions the same way and he never sees your email adress.
      Technically its doable and many internet services use that kind of procedure. Should the refusal make one wonder what is KS real motivation to not encourage communication?

      So far I believe KS has no reason to do anything at all about the CST mess as we are only focusing our complaints and actions on CST ;-)

      Since KS is technically in the clean they could just lean back and don't have to help us.

      I see KS mostly as the owner and maintainer of a market place who has not much to do with what the vendors renting the space do or not do. Only if KS knowingly supports fraudsters and benefits from the frauds and maybe even earns more the bigger the fraud then they might be in trouble. I don't think thats the case.

      Still it would be nice for KS public image if they would help their customers. So far the news articles on KS problems mainly focus on the individual projects but not on KS itself. That might change if KS continues to not take more actions to support the guys and girls who pay them, Us.

    26. Creator Jordan on August 10

      I received a response from Kickstarter about the ability of backers to contact other backers similar to how creator's can send campaign updates or via a mailing list but this was their response:

      "Kickstarter takes the privacy of our users very seriously, so we don't provide this information directly to backers."

    27. Creator Brett Schenker on August 10

      The woman who wrote these two articles:
      http://observer.com/2015/04/did-the-creators-of-a-1m-kickstarter-botch-production-or-blow-the-cash-on-mojitos/
      http://observer.com/2015/06/botched-1m-kickstarter-cst-01-had-another-secret-investment-made-up-van-sob-story/

      Wants to talk to anyone that has filed a complaint with an AG and received a response, even if it is to say the case is closed.

      You can email her at slazzaro@observer.com

    28. Creator Jordan on August 7

      @Ryan I filed a complaint with the Illionois AG as well and received a letter saying that the case was closed due to no response from CST. However, they are keeping all of the complaints on file and if there are more complaints they will definitely look into the case more. There is a lot more money involved (and backers) than the previous Kickstarter case the Illionois AG took on. We just need to get more of the backers involved :(

    29. Creator Ryan M. on August 7

      Just so you all know — Filing a complaint with the Illinois Attorney General didn't really get me too far. They just sent letters saying, "We reached out to CST, and they didn't reply... So we're closing your case."

      SUPER!

    30. Creator Bert on August 7

      "Can someone from outside the US lodge one of those FTC complains people are talking about?" The answer is yes.

    31. Creator Jordan on August 7

      @Empereurrom7 I'll send an email to Kickstarter to see if there is a way for us to send out a bulk email to all of the backers. Kickstarter has not been very supportive though. My previous communications with them always leaves me with a "I got mine" feeling.

    32. Creator Empereurrom7 on August 7

      @Jordan, I just filled my complain at FTC.
      Maybe we should ask Kickstarter to send an email to every backers, so everyone will know that there are thinks to do, and not let it slide !

    33. Creator Jordan on August 5

      Everyone: If you haven't already done so please fill out complaints to the Illinois Attorney General and FTC.
      Illinois Attorney General Consumer Complaint On-Line Submission Form: https://ccformsubmission.ilattorneygeneral.net/

      FTC Complaint: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov Select "Internet services, online shopping, or computers" then "Online shopping"

      Seller/Provider: Dave Vondle and Jerry O'Leary doing business as Central Standard Timing
      Address: 3039 W Fullerton Ave # 2
      Chicago, IL 60647-2807

    34. Creator Jordan on August 5

      @Chris There is nothing aggressive about filing a complaint. As I stated before, we are morally obligated to file complaints with the FTC, Illinois Attorney General, Chicago BBB and other parties that protect consumers from fraud. We may have been taken by Vondle and O'Leary's deception but that does not mean we can allow them to defraud others. They've been lying to us from day one and using this project as a success story to climb up the ladder while not delivering.

    35. Creator Jordan on August 5

      @Joshua

      I believe you can file complaints with both the FTC and Illinois Attorney General even if you do not live in the States. You still entered in to a binding contract with CST in the US under our laws and all done on US based servers (i.e. Kickstarter)

    36. Creator Trogdor on August 5

      @Chris
      I'm very familiar with KS and what it is (& isn't).

      Whether or not the project has been successful is not at issue with me. I personally believe that were were purposely and deliberately mislead. *That* is what is not acceptable.

      Most likely common sense and probably lawyers have told them to clam up. Unless partners come forth with more information and/or new information is uncovered, the real truth here will probably never be known.

      It's simply not worth the money for an individual to really pursue this any farther than asking their bank or card company for a courtesy charge back.

    37. Creator Chris ELSASS on August 5

      SC, I agree with you that their communication was not the best we would expect. At the beginning though, we had some news about the project. It was at the end, when they realized that it was a dead end that they should have given more information (bad news is better than no news). I guess that's part of the learning curve when you start something.

    38. Creator SC on August 5

      Chris, under no interpretation of the Terms of Use has CST fulfilled it's obligations to backers. Even if they cannot bring the product to market, there are still requirements about communicating exactly what happened, proving the funds were used appropriately, distributing whatever parts/money is left, etc.

    39. Creator Chris ELSASS on August 5

      I'm sad that this project didn't reach the end because it was a brilliant idea and I was happy to believe in it.
      I know you're all disappointed (and I'm too) but there is really no need to be so agressive.
      Besides this, I think most of you do not understand what Kickstarter is.
      It's not an internet shop where you buy goods like a supermarket. You are not just a regular customer when you give your money to a project but more a patron or a sponsor. This means that when you help building a project, it doesn't necessarily mean that you will receive the result. As a sponsor, you accept the risk that the project may not come to the end (which is fortunately very rare).

    40. Creator Joshua Conlan on August 4

      Can someone from outside the US lodge one of those FTC complains people are talking about?

    41. Creator Marc Bliesener on August 4

      They raised 5 times their funding requirements and still did not get it done? Fraud?!

    42. Creator SC on August 4

      CST, how do you respond to Flextronics' statement that they fulfilled all their requirements/agreements to you? You've certainly been spinning a different story.

    43. Creator Jordan on August 3

      Seller/Provider: Dave Vondle and Jerry O'Leary doing business as Central Standard Timing

      Address: 3039 W Fullerton Ave # 2
      Chicago, IL 60647-2807

      Website: centralstandardtiming.com

      Let me know if you need additional details.

    44. Creator Brett Schenker on August 3

      I decided to file a complaint with the Virginia Attorney General as well as the Illinois.

    45. Creator Maikel Lodewijk on August 2

      Can someone print the information to fill in the form? Like address etc. I want to file a complaint but don't know what things to fill in.

    46. Creator Leslie Lei on July 31

      I don't want the $144 back, I want those two jailed, and / or bankrupt; paid $144 to see them fuxk up is worth all the pennies, I had filed mine through IAGC and FTC; and it's about time every one do the same, I would file it against Kickstarter itself for allowing project like this to scam people's trust and money

    47. Creator James Fisher on July 29

      It's also disappointing that kick starter them selfs don't act in intrest of the backers. After all its backer who pay them. Instead they just wash their hands with it.

      But that aside. I hope Vondle and O'Leary know these things don't just go away. Sticking your head in the sand, does not work.

    48. Creator Jordan on July 29

      @Thurstan I have to disagree with you. Vondle and O'Leary led us to believe that this watch was pretty much a done deal and that our money was going towards the last stretch and mass producing the watch. They have never been upfront and honest with us and they need to be taken to task. The Illinois Attorney General and FTC have recently taken other crowdfunding projects to court and won back money for the backers. From an ethical perspective, we MUST do this in order to protect others that might be scammed by Vondle and O'Leary.

      If you haven't already done so please fill out complaints to the Illinois Attorney General and FTC.
      Illinois Attorney General Consumer Complaint On-Line Submission Form: https://ccformsubmission.ilattorneygeneral.net/

      FTC Complaint: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov Select "Internet services, online shopping, or computers" then "Online shopping"

    49. Creator Thurstan Hethorn on July 29

      As annoyed as I have been with this project. I don't think filling a complaint or suing is really going to be good for anyone. You will perhaps get some money back, but you will also tie the two up in legal proceeding for months, filing bankruptcy.

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