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Exactly @Mike. This update took about ten minutes to put together - tops. I couldn’t imagine trying to make this kind of excuse to my supervisor for the lack of communications. And there was still no estimated time of delivery.
No excuse for not keeping us informed of progress.
Being busy with software would not keep you from a five minute update or delegating to someone else.
And, no information on a possible release date.
Darn, I really wanted to go this year! Please, somebody go by and talk to them! No need to jump up and down, yell and scream (Well, actually there kind of is.), but see if you can get some specifics! It was at Origins 2015 (!) that I saw the game, talked with Jeff, and was sold on it. At that time it appeared, and the message was, that the game was good to go. Since he won't interact here, maybe someone pinning him down in person can get some info.
Rally Round the Flag at Origins Game Fair 2018. Lost Battalion Games - booth #345
Here is the link -
Well, at least Jeff has checked into Kickstarter a couple of times this week. Maybe he's psyching himself up for an update.
Unfortunately, we've heard the promise of weekly updates before. I think their first update should include a reason why they made us (Thanks Ryan!) hunt down the information. As I have pointed out before, I have another campaign that I backed that was due in July 2017, and it might reach the backers by this fall (and even then, to be honest, it might be a mess), but there have been no complaints because the designer is providing regular updates and is continually on the comments section. In fact, it has become kind of an adventure in itself to see what comes out!
This, on the other hand, has just been a huge exercise in arrogance. This is my introduction to the company and Mr. Billings, and it has not been a experience that will gain them many customers in the future - not because of the delays, but because of the sheer disregard for their customers.
We are like Lincoln's cabinet waiting for McClellan to start to move...
Maybe we should form a 'Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War'
Well, since Jeff had no interest in talking to us, I went to the facebook page and went to see if I could find any information. Ended up getting a message from their president:
I Reached out to Debbie Billings, our president, and this is what I got back for you:
First of all, I want to thank you for your participation in our Kickstarter and for your continued patience as we bring this project to market.
Now, for the update. We are approximately 4 weeks from release. All major components have been completed and have been released to our factory for manufacturing. We need to get a final approval for each of the three games (Core Command; Division Command and Brigade Command) from the licensed artist, Mort Kuntzler, and then we can begin fulfilling our Kickstarter commitments.
As we are now fulling underway in our factory with manufacturing of these games (primarily standees) as the Brigade game alone has just under 900 soldiers in each game; this is a massive undertaking and is pretty awesome to watch coming to life.
I will begin making weekly updates on our progress and post them to Kickstarter.
Again, thank you for your backing and your support as we get this game finalized. And, please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions.
I can be reached at: firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com.
Thank you and best wishes for a Happy and Safe Memorial Day weekend.
President, Lost Battalion Publishing, LLC
He was probably brought up on the idiotic phrase 'no news is good news'; so by not inundating us with details of the many problems and pitfalls he is dealing with each day he is actually giving us Good News each time he doesn't communicate; you're just not feelin' the love :-)
I imagine them logging on, seeing the comments, and talking amongst themselves, "It's only a couple of malcontents. We have 116 backers, and there are about five of them just being jerks. They need to settle down and realize that they will get their games!"
Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe they truly feel bad and wish that we would just understand that they are doing their best. It...just...takes...five...minutes...to...let...us...know. (10-15 minutes if you really want to tell us something substantial.)
Last login by Jeff 23rd April, but then obviously, again, thought stuff the backers, they can just carry on waiting.
Remember the promise to update every two weeks? That was about the time he said that, since this was nearing the end, he didn't need a communications person.
Well, three Aprils have come and gone since my pledge to this Kickstarter project. I guess in the true spirit of the Civil War, I will have to wait two more, before I receive it. It is becoming increasingly difficult to "be respectful and considerate" in my comments. What is the status of this project? Oh, please and thank you.
I'll bet non of the "positive feedback" at the show was from backers, particularly regarding communication.
@Christophe Since when? :)
No news good news ?!
Yeah, most projects make that kind of thing into something called "an update" or even a comment in this forum.
I heard from them, and they said they are putting all of their efforts on going to the Cold Wars convention. They promised photos and videos of the event. It is surprising that they have not made such statements to everyone though.
Last I heard a few weeks ago it is an all-hands effort to get production completed and everything else is on hold till this is done.
A message from the designer of another Kickstarter that I backed (that was due in July, 2017, but nobody is complaining because of the awesome communications): "I have to say, I was quite taken back when you said that about sometimes waiting a month for a reply from another project? The more people tell me about things like this, I can't believe it. I could just never imagine not talking to everyone here and telling everyone what's going on with the project and see how everyone's doing."
They sent out the poster. There hasn’t been a hard (or soft) date given yet when the game will ship.
I got the poster but not the game. Am I mistaken or not? The game has not been out although the game is delayed for more than two years.
Just got the poster here in france !
Thank you Jeff and Lost Battalion Publishing. Just recieve the poster here in sunny Singapore today.
Getting no message is also a message.
Thanks for the update!
"More to come this week." - Jeff Billings, 12/17/17
I was afraid it was too good to be true. However, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt over the holidays. But we are well out of the holidays now - and all of my other KS projects have sent out the "Hey, I'm sorry this update is overdue, but it was the holidays!" updates.
But it's not too late to send your own "it was the holidays" update...hopefully with a little meat on its bones about the details of the status of the project and how close/far we are from seeing the product.
Oh, and by the way, I would verify everybody's addresses again...the test mailing didn't seem to go very well. ;)
Why are you so 'antsy'?
Its only 2 years and 3 months beyond the delivery date, or 2 years and seven months before the start of the campaign, in Civil War terms, its sort of November of 1863!
So what happened to that BS about a test mailing???? Did packaging material and delivery service just get invented? Have they never mailed anything before? Is this just a bunch of smoke to distract us investors/customers? Give me a break! How about test mailing me my money back. Write a check, put it in an envelope and mail it to me at my address you all seem so concerned about us "updating" all the time. I'll let you know if I get it.
Don't necessarily write off the small, independent designers/publishers on Kickstarter. I actually prefer backing them to the "big" (big in the game biz usually isn't very big) established companies like CMON, Soda Pop, etc that have taken over KS in order to finance games that they would have produced anyway...not to say that I haven't backed my fair share of them though! I have gotten some quirky and excellent games from independents that I never would have discovered without KS.
Had this been a campaign for a Euro or miniature board game with a more mainstream following, you would have heard a tremendous gnashing of teeth and rending of clothing a long time ago. But ironically I think the wargamers out there, despite playing games depicting carnage and bloodshed, tend to be a calmer lot - possibly because we tend to run a little older and are too tired to get that worked up! Also, I appreciate the work that goes into a game like this and the the people who design them are generally doing it because they are passionate about the genre.
In this case, and I will say that I appreciate the update that came out this morning, the problem for me is that I saw a prototype at Origins three years ago that was portrayed as basically being done. Then it wasn't - and I can appreciate playtesting revealing things that need to be reworked, but then the communications ended. After that, there was the attempt to make us feel guilty for wanting progress reports if not actual progress because Jeff's time was being taken up by an altruistic project that was taking all his time. And then it turned into basically radio-silence.
I am hopeful that he is sincere with his message in today's update that there will be continual progress reports from here on out. As is apparent, even us grognards start to get riled up eventually!
If you check Jeff Billings icon, you'll see that the last time he checked in on this site was September 29th; two months ago.
Has he written us off? Has he abandoned us?
For what it's worth, this is my first kick starter experience. I have learned a few things. First, not to bother backing a small publisher game (unless you are fully ok with the potential of something going wrong.)
Second, the amazing patience from kickstarter backers. The project is over 2 years late, and the comments on here are so far and between, and hardly heated at all. I would think typically, people would be furious if something they dropped a significant amount of money on was this late. This totally ignoring the fact there has been little to 0 communication from the publisher, which I would think would drive people insane.
Anyway, I have decided a while back I no longer mind if the project works out or not. At this point, I am assuming it is dead and we will never receive the game.
Still, I am in awe in the respectfulness of the backers of this project. Maybe there is hope for humanity after all!
I meant that sarcasm runs in my veins, not nastiness!
Not for nothing, but in case you aren't seeing the writing on the virtual wall, it is time to fit us into your schedule and respond to your backers. I understand that avoidance is a natural thing - especially when the news you have may not be the best, but in case you haven't noticed, it is not taking things better.
I'm not being nasty or sarcastic (which runs in my veins); I'm being serious and trying to make you understand that, honestly, we have lost our patience with other projects - no matter how charitable or altruistic they are - taking up your time, or server problems, or whatever, simply because of the lack of open, honest communications. I mentioned a long time ago (March 11 to be exact) that, in general, backers are patient as long as communications remain open. You have ignored that advice.
I think I speak for many here when I say that whether you need to write an update or respond to messages between 11P-4A or not is not something we are sympathetic to anymore. This is not because we are unreasonable; it is because we have entered into a business relationship with you and have held up our end of the transaction. You have not. Not because the project is late, but because you have been unwilling to keep your "shareholders" in the loop. We are not acting overly entitled or unreasonable to request regular updates on the project we contracted you to perform. If I contracted with you to build a computer platform for my company I would be entitled to regular required updates on the progress of the system. We are just as entitled to regular updates for the service we "hired" you for. This is just as much of a business as any other, and the responsibilities to us are just as important.
If there is a problem, it is time to let us know - whether it is a game mechanic issue that was discovered and you have not figured out a way to fix it, or whether the funds were re-appropriated to other areas that have left the project short of capital. As I said a long time ago, we can generally take bad news. It is the no news that causes issues. It has caused issues, and it is time for you to right the ship. Not just for one quick update, but for the rest of the project.
How about an update! Not another kick the can down the road update about what has gone wrong, but a realistic update. Will we ever see this project come to fruition?
TWO MONTHS since last update which showed us an empty room.......
This Turkey is now MORE THAN TWO YEARS OVERDO!!
I did not know that the reference to "Heroic Charges" would apply only to my credit card.
Sent them a message on facebook a while back and they assured me that there would be an update this past week. Apparently the rest of the staff is not on the same page as Mr. Billings, and he has yet to get someone else to communicate with the customers.
Any new updates. Been quite a while since last we heard any new info or news.
I too am disappointed. I supported this project because of their reputation
Jeff Billings 3-time creator on June 8
"I am almost finished so I will see it through to completion. But I will hire staff for the communication in the future."
I believe the future should be now since, from what I have heard (next to nothing), "almost finished" seems to be an extremely relative term.
well I always knew Kickstarter was a risk, but at least we appear to have bought them some nice new servers, so not a complete waste.
It is time for the monthly begging for an update. "Please, sir. May I have another?"
Could we get an update on progress. Last we heard, you guys were going to be finishing the remodel and restart production around the end of September.
Hey christmas � almost there ! I still believe santa claus exist ?! I am right correct !! �
Any chance for an update, since the remodeling should be complete?
Into September, and I guess August was too busy to write us a note. I'm beginning to feel like I'm part of a long-distance relationship when the girl just isn't that into me anymore, but she hopes I'll just get the hint that she wants to break up!
Any latest updates or news on the ongoing development?
Thank you for the comment. We decided to not bring Rally to Origins. It is important to us that the KickStarter backers get their games before reviewers and convention customers. We found that Rally was distracting booth traffic from what we could sell to the attendees, and made a choice not to show at the conventions for that reason.