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"More to come this week." - Jeff Billings, 12/17/17
I was afraid it was too good to be true. However, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt over the holidays. But we are well out of the holidays now - and all of my other KS projects have sent out the "Hey, I'm sorry this update is overdue, but it was the holidays!" updates.
But it's not too late to send your own "it was the holidays" update...hopefully with a little meat on its bones about the details of the status of the project and how close/far we are from seeing the product.
Oh, and by the way, I would verify everybody's addresses again...the test mailing didn't seem to go very well. ;)
Why are you so 'antsy'?
Its only 2 years and 3 months beyond the delivery date, or 2 years and seven months before the start of the campaign, in Civil War terms, its sort of November of 1863!
So what happened to that BS about a test mailing???? Did packaging material and delivery service just get invented? Have they never mailed anything before? Is this just a bunch of smoke to distract us investors/customers? Give me a break! How about test mailing me my money back. Write a check, put it in an envelope and mail it to me at my address you all seem so concerned about us "updating" all the time. I'll let you know if I get it.
Don't necessarily write off the small, independent designers/publishers on Kickstarter. I actually prefer backing them to the "big" (big in the game biz usually isn't very big) established companies like CMON, Soda Pop, etc that have taken over KS in order to finance games that they would have produced anyway...not to say that I haven't backed my fair share of them though! I have gotten some quirky and excellent games from independents that I never would have discovered without KS.
Had this been a campaign for a Euro or miniature board game with a more mainstream following, you would have heard a tremendous gnashing of teeth and rending of clothing a long time ago. But ironically I think the wargamers out there, despite playing games depicting carnage and bloodshed, tend to be a calmer lot - possibly because we tend to run a little older and are too tired to get that worked up! Also, I appreciate the work that goes into a game like this and the the people who design them are generally doing it because they are passionate about the genre.
In this case, and I will say that I appreciate the update that came out this morning, the problem for me is that I saw a prototype at Origins three years ago that was portrayed as basically being done. Then it wasn't - and I can appreciate playtesting revealing things that need to be reworked, but then the communications ended. After that, there was the attempt to make us feel guilty for wanting progress reports if not actual progress because Jeff's time was being taken up by an altruistic project that was taking all his time. And then it turned into basically radio-silence.
I am hopeful that he is sincere with his message in today's update that there will be continual progress reports from here on out. As is apparent, even us grognards start to get riled up eventually!
If you check Jeff Billings icon, you'll see that the last time he checked in on this site was September 29th; two months ago.
Has he written us off? Has he abandoned us?
For what it's worth, this is my first kick starter experience. I have learned a few things. First, not to bother backing a small publisher game (unless you are fully ok with the potential of something going wrong.)
Second, the amazing patience from kickstarter backers. The project is over 2 years late, and the comments on here are so far and between, and hardly heated at all. I would think typically, people would be furious if something they dropped a significant amount of money on was this late. This totally ignoring the fact there has been little to 0 communication from the publisher, which I would think would drive people insane.
Anyway, I have decided a while back I no longer mind if the project works out or not. At this point, I am assuming it is dead and we will never receive the game.
Still, I am in awe in the respectfulness of the backers of this project. Maybe there is hope for humanity after all!
I meant that sarcasm runs in my veins, not nastiness!
Not for nothing, but in case you aren't seeing the writing on the virtual wall, it is time to fit us into your schedule and respond to your backers. I understand that avoidance is a natural thing - especially when the news you have may not be the best, but in case you haven't noticed, it is not taking things better.
I'm not being nasty or sarcastic (which runs in my veins); I'm being serious and trying to make you understand that, honestly, we have lost our patience with other projects - no matter how charitable or altruistic they are - taking up your time, or server problems, or whatever, simply because of the lack of open, honest communications. I mentioned a long time ago (March 11 to be exact) that, in general, backers are patient as long as communications remain open. You have ignored that advice.
I think I speak for many here when I say that whether you need to write an update or respond to messages between 11P-4A or not is not something we are sympathetic to anymore. This is not because we are unreasonable; it is because we have entered into a business relationship with you and have held up our end of the transaction. You have not. Not because the project is late, but because you have been unwilling to keep your "shareholders" in the loop. We are not acting overly entitled or unreasonable to request regular updates on the project we contracted you to perform. If I contracted with you to build a computer platform for my company I would be entitled to regular required updates on the progress of the system. We are just as entitled to regular updates for the service we "hired" you for. This is just as much of a business as any other, and the responsibilities to us are just as important.
If there is a problem, it is time to let us know - whether it is a game mechanic issue that was discovered and you have not figured out a way to fix it, or whether the funds were re-appropriated to other areas that have left the project short of capital. As I said a long time ago, we can generally take bad news. It is the no news that causes issues. It has caused issues, and it is time for you to right the ship. Not just for one quick update, but for the rest of the project.
How about an update! Not another kick the can down the road update about what has gone wrong, but a realistic update. Will we ever see this project come to fruition?
TWO MONTHS since last update which showed us an empty room.......
This Turkey is now MORE THAN TWO YEARS OVERDO!!
I did not know that the reference to "Heroic Charges" would apply only to my credit card.
Sent them a message on facebook a while back and they assured me that there would be an update this past week. Apparently the rest of the staff is not on the same page as Mr. Billings, and he has yet to get someone else to communicate with the customers.
Any new updates. Been quite a while since last we heard any new info or news.
I too am disappointed. I supported this project because of their reputation
Jeff Billings 3-time creator on June 8
"I am almost finished so I will see it through to completion. But I will hire staff for the communication in the future."
I believe the future should be now since, from what I have heard (next to nothing), "almost finished" seems to be an extremely relative term.
well I always knew Kickstarter was a risk, but at least we appear to have bought them some nice new servers, so not a complete waste.
It is time for the monthly begging for an update. "Please, sir. May I have another?"
Could we get an update on progress. Last we heard, you guys were going to be finishing the remodel and restart production around the end of September.
Hey christmas � almost there ! I still believe santa claus exist ?! I am right correct !! �
Any chance for an update, since the remodeling should be complete?
Into September, and I guess August was too busy to write us a note. I'm beginning to feel like I'm part of a long-distance relationship when the girl just isn't that into me anymore, but she hopes I'll just get the hint that she wants to break up!
Any latest updates or news on the ongoing development?
Thank you for the comment. We decided to not bring Rally to Origins. It is important to us that the KickStarter backers get their games before reviewers and convention customers. We found that Rally was distracting booth traffic from what we could sell to the attendees, and made a choice not to show at the conventions for that reason.
I thought the lack of any product mention or placement at the Origins booth was a bad sign. Maybe it was well hidden, but primarily just saw the same Sergeants products for demo and sale. At this point, I'm not sure what to think, but I can say that I am over this project.
Sorry Google Voice to gibberish Meads Lieutenant level
I pledge that needs level regiment and my card was charged for 160 more than the pledge level I don't even remember what I'm supposed to get on top of the regiment and Brigade level games
Interesting update. What products are in the wooden boxes?
Mike thanks for demanding the update. I am working 7 days a week right now and answering emails in the quiet time between 11pm and 4am. But your correct irritation prompted me to run through the plant with my iPhone snapping pictures in 5 minutes and writing the needed update.
Claiming, back at the beginning of March; 'to understand our frustration at not receiving updates' , now appears to just be insulting!!
Othetwise, you would be taking the few moments necessary to type a simple comment even if you can't be bothered with am update!
We have passed our 2nd anniversary!
Any latest follow up update?
Are you sure you don't want to delegate someone to do your updates?
So, more than a month later; how is the approval for Production going?
Should we be concerned that this game is going back for another iteration of development????
Jeff, that update with the new pictures and such would be nice to see as it has been closer to a month than a week.
Any chance we could see those new photos and update?
1/16 of an inch. Which makes the pieces meld into the map during play and yet remain durable.
Looks Great; how thick are the bases?
I am almost finished so I will see it through to completion. But I will hire staff for the communication in the future.
Thanks for the update, and I am looking forward to the pictures. I appreciate how busy you are...perhaps the solution is to appoint a someone in Lost Battalion to be in charge of KS communications.
I will have an update with pictures next week.
The Proof copy of the Divisional game is in final packaging. I will have pictures of the final when I get back from NashCon. The delays are related to manufacturing processes at this point. Working out production workflow and yields has required us to restart the line several times. But we are getting excellent quality on the production process and parts production is well underway. Assembly is the what we are perfecting at this time. The first articles were not flaw free. It took several weeks to identify the cause and fix it.
The communications lack on my part is unrelated to company activity. I am working on a technology to help children birth to 5 years old. I am in the early operational stage with field trials. The work is challenging and requires coordination of very broad disciplines. The time and focus lead to me carving out message time at 3:47 AM. My apologies are not enough at this point. It is my hope and belief that the results of the work on both fronts will be very good.
The staff here at Lost Battalion Games are working on Rally. My other work is not delaying their work to finish the fabrication innovations. I am only answering questions at this point and reviewing results. The lack of communications is on me. But I am not miss-using time. I am overloaded.
We are close to approval and full scale production on the project. It will be ready when it is right in all details.
My apologies for the strain that it placed on all of you that backed the project. I will have a new update soon with more information.
hmmm - my idea of 'soon' and yours appears to differ!
Awesome news and update! Thanks!
The discussion has some valid concerns about why I delayed updates. Please let me explain it this way. We could not prove the process improvement until we had executed all facets of the manufacturing improvement. Saying we might do something is often much worse than waiting to say with certainty that we are doing something. In addition, we have competitive concerns during the innovation phase of developing new technology. We have follow on products in the works that will be offered with this technology this year. Losing a first mover advantage because we cannot wait to expose the innovation harms our investors - who are indirect backers of the project as they provided the capital to purchase the equipment and develop the processes.
I have to weigh all concerns when it comes to exposing new technology.
Your post is very frustrating to your fellow backers; could you kindly be more specific?
Well, the cat is out of the bag. Anyone who was at Cold Wars will know the reason for the delay. This covers the "amazing" part. I sent JB an e-mail to get an update here post haste.