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By Andrew Caldwell
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    1. Scott Ebent on September 14, 2012

      Was their any way to directly contact the publisher instead of a middle man, or is that just not possible?

      As it looks the funding will not make it this time around. If you attempt a second go. Maybe some things to consider. Remove all mentions of the words and comparisons to Chess.
      Have a finished designed package to show. A new improved video . As the goal for funding seems overshadowed in the video. I would also highly suggest some major online community presence on BoardGameGeek, advertising on there, and even sending copies to well known Board Game players/reviewers such as Tom Vasel of Dice Tower. Even contact the fellows at Boardgaming.com to show them your game and review it and advertise the Kickstarter. Any way to market and spread the word. I know for my part I'm trying to stir up recognition and support in the abstract community on BGG.

    2. John Alvarado on September 12, 2012

      Hi Scott,
      It was pitched to some publishers through a game agent, but the response was that it was too much like chess. Which, to be fair, it does look like chess at first glance. That's why we want the board to look much more colorful and organic for the Standard Edition to break away from the chess look.

    3. Scott Ebent on September 10, 2012

      Just out of curiosity. Had you ever pitched this game to a board game publisher?

    4. Andrew Caldwell Creator on September 2, 2012

      Hi Scott,

      This project is a great learning experience! It makes me excited and nervous at the same time. A dear old friend once said about me, "He doesn't know better than not to try." I took it to mean that I keep going no matter what happens.

      A good lesson to take from Barca is that people can be competitive without having to take away from each other. It really is a friendly competition.

      Thank you for the support and encouragement!

      Blue Skies,
      -Drew

    5. John Alvarado on August 31, 2012

      Hi Scott! Thank you for the nice compliment on the pieces. And thank you especially for helping us get the word out. I'm with you on hoping the PAX event gives us a big boost. Keeping my fingers crossed. :)

    6. Scott Ebent on August 30, 2012

      Thanks for the response and the insight. I had not thought of those issues. I can not fully understand your decisions. And they make great sense!

      I've been sharing this where ever and when ever I can. I hope PAX really kicks this into high gear!

      John Alvarado did an amazing job on the carvings of the animal pieces!

    7. Andrew Caldwell Creator on August 30, 2012

      Hi Scott,

      Thank you for backing Barca! And thanks for the suggestions on cost reduction.

      Here are the reasons behind the current plan for manufacturing Barca:

      The molds for the large game pieces are already made (from the travel edition). I have the 3D scans, as you surmised, but making molds is a big expense. So much so that the cost of making new ones for smaller pieces would exceed the savings from reduced materials (for pieces, board and container), at least for the size of order we are talking about. Not to mention it would increase the manufacturing time.

      Also, I made the pieces large for the travel edition to avoid a choking hazard for children. Even though Barca is recommended for ages 8 and above, the animal playing pieces are attractive to younger children. I still prefer that safety precaution, and again, it costs less to reuse the same molds.

      Regarding the square base of the game pieces, if they where round then pieces could be orientated where the movement pointers on the bases would lose their meanings. And in a small way, it helps Barca not to look like chess.

      The rubber mouse-pad board in the travel edition is silk screened, so it’s limited to a single color for cost effectiveness. A new full color folding board for the standard edition will help distinguish Barca from chess. Phillip is doing great work on the safari style board! Keep watching as the board is updated throughout the project. It was updated on the main page today.

      The cost of the boxes could be reduced if they were made in China, as Chinese manufacturers offer better prices for smaller runs. However we didn't want to send all the work overseas. We wanted to create work here for more than just ourselves. And when the order is large enough then the prices are competitive.

      There are also minimums for manufacturing. It doesn't seem manufacturing companies like to make products in the hundreds. They make their money on big orders because they have fixed setup costs than need to be recovered. We're fortunate that some of them work with people in hopes there will be big orders in the future.

      We are with you in hoping Barca gets funded. It’s a special game that we want more people to enjoy. Please tell your friends!

      Blue Skies
      -Drew

      P.S. I've been down for the count a few times, but I never give up. The encouragement is appreciated. Thanks Scott!

    8. Scott Ebent on August 27, 2012

      Found this through BGG in its recent images. Checked it out and read the rules, found the PlayBarca site and really enjoyed it. So I had to back this game! It's a great game!

      If by chance this kickstarter does not to make its goal. I have a suggestion that could cut down production costs if you wish to try again. Bring the game board dimensions down, as well as the size of the animal pieces to fit within the re-sized grid. Maybe a 1 inch by 1 inch square grid. And from what it looks like the animal pieces have been "scanned" into a computer to make digital versions. Which could then be shrunk in dimension to produce smaller pieces to fit the 1"x1" square grid. Could even make the base a circle instead of a square and reduce production costs if they aren't top heavy. Which in hopeful turn would reduce box and even travel case size. I do really like that thematic safari grid on the standard. It would look great on the travel edition "mousepad". But than color would increase cost on the pad..hrm.. Any way to disassociate from chess is a plus!

      I truly hope this gets funded! Don't give up.

    9. Andrew Caldwell Creator on August 27, 2012

      Thank you very much for your kind words. It's really nice to hear people are enjoying Barca.

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      jason on August 27, 2012

      Andrew, Barca is a great game. I've been playing against the AI at the playbarca website, and also against friends on the facebook beta. I definitely want a good-looking boxed version of this game.

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      Raundi K Moore-Kondo on August 23, 2012

      As a teacher of "all-ages" workshops I am always on the look out for games that level the playing field between adults and kids. Barca is brilliant. I've been beaten by opponents ages 8 to 58. It's one of the coolest games I've played in a long time. If you enjoy games like chess, checkers, Blokus, Rumbus etc. you will dig this game. I have the travel version and take it everywhere....beach, park, pool. I can't wait to take it camping. The playing pieces are especially cool. Kudos to the developers!