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Update #63

Final Hours of the Golem Arcana Kickstarter

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 We are in the final 2 days of our Kickstarter for Golem Arcana and heading toward the finish line! The project is now 80% funded with about 40 hours to go! We’re very excited and hopeful that we can get there but we could use your help.

We know that all of you aren’t tabletop gamers but we believe that the ease-of-use the technology provides, along with the rich game world offer something you will appreciate.

On the technology side, we've seen a lot of people remain skeptical - computer gamers and tabletop gamers alike - until they tried GA for themselves at GenCon and PAX. Then they saw how easy it was to learn the game and to start having fun right away. As Jordan says, “It’s kind of like peanut butter and chocolate. If I told you they’d taste great together, you might wrinkle your nose at me until you tried it for yourself.”

Here is a highlights reel from a live-streaming Grudge Match we played recently. Check it out and see how fun and easy the game is to play. Mitch hosted a the match played by two of our engineers, Chris "Mad Eye" Aardapple and Garrett  "Pretty Boy" Jacobson. Two beards entered, one beard left...

With our TDI stylus technology, we have a unique opportunity to create a new world, in partnership with a community, in a way that has never been done before. Golem Arcana will be a dynamic world that is directly affected by the people playing the game. That’s incredibly exciting.

As for the game setting, you know Jordan loves to create worlds with great depth and Golem Arcana is no exception. A bunch of great fiction was released during our Kickstarter campaign and we’ve included a few links below to give you a taste. When you read them, you’ll see why we’d love to eventually create an RPG in the World of Eretsu - becoming embroiled in the political factions and delving into the Vaults of the Ancient Ones.

The Dark Witch 

The Gates of Supakva

We hope that you took a look at the project when we first announced it. Since then we have revealed a ton of cool stuff - stories, Figures, Elite Units, Gameplay Mechanics, Free Bonuses - and you can see them in the image below. Click on it and scroll down to see how the Rewards break down for each pledge level.

If you've already backed Golem Arcana, THANK YOU! If you haven't backed yet, we hope you will take another look. And please forward this mail or share our links with friends you think who you think would be interested.

Thanks!!!  

HBS

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      Creator Phil Jefferson on October 17, 2013

      Right. Now imagine if instead the pen & paper RPG had a checkpoint system; imagine if every time you started a new session of the pen & paper game you had to go back and replay half an hour of your previous session because you'd stopped before hitting a checkpoint.

      Checkpoint systems are bad in single player games - they're bad because people want to be able to pick up and put down games to fit around their lives, checkpoint systems work on the assumption that you will instead fit your life around when the next checkpoint is.

      The save system was one of the standout flaws in an otherwise great game, that's why it's mentioned in so many reviews of the game, and I'm very glad HBS are looking at what they can do to improve it for Berlin.

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      Creator Paul Brown on October 17, 2013

      Why do people object to the checkpoint-style save system?
      When you're playing a tabletop RPG, you don't get to auto save and auto load. You play the way the die rolls, win or lose.

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      Creator S.D. on October 15, 2013

      (well, I did play a little in Wine, but it was really miserable)

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      Creator S.D. on October 15, 2013

      @RC, Visa: Ok, sounds fine by me! I actively support my Win/Mac gaming friends here on KS, and whenever I ask a campaign creator about Linux support, I ask about Mac OS X as well. I don't feel like backing was a mistake, though I wish some things were handled differently. On the contrary, I wish HBS all the success in the world, both here, and long-term (including Golem Arcana, and other future projects).

      On the good side, think of it this way... since I haven't played the game at all, my opinion on the save system is fresh and relatively untainted, haha ^_^

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      Creator UniForge Games on October 15, 2013

      @GRUMPYSTEEN: I think there is a disconnect between my intended tone, and the tone you picked up from it. I honestly wasn't trying to be critical, negative, or condescending. Even re-reading it twice just now, I can't see where I'm being that way.

      "Finally, the tone of your reply was condescending and inappropriate."

      What was inappropriate about it? I'm sorry you feel that way, but I still can't see what was inappropriate about it. Was it the use of the word "grumpy?" Because if so, I use that specifically because of your username, to be jovial about my point (the point being that people seemed to be on-edge about this update, possibly because of the political issues in the US). If that offended you, I apologize and will call that a misjudgement/miscommunication on my part.

      "My post was polite and pointed out a mistake without offering insult or criticism... There was no reason for you to reply the way you did."

      Yes, it was, and I felt the same. Again, if you felt insulted by anything in my comment (I can only see the grumpy part being even remotely grumpy, but didn't mean it that way, I as I said), I apologize.

      "To borrow your own words, 'man is it ever easy for people to be grumpy/negative online.'"

      Now this one I don't get, unless you misread my tone. I wasn't being negative at all, just providing a counter-argument to your points. That's all. I did not, and do not, feel any animosity toward you.

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 15, 2013

      Since HBS has seemingly left most of their PR and consumer service in SRR to their fans, I will assume they are going to do exactly nothing about the saves--yes, they DID say they were looking at it--then they said it would be weeks..but then they said nothing.
      Despite my own jokes, I am not actually filled with rage--HBS has fans, and I feel (opinion) that I bought a flawed product. I won't annoy anyone else here because that was NOT my goal--my goal was to get someone from HBS to actually give the update they promised. And I failed. Clearly they have no intent of giving one--even if just to say "still working on it"...so I will stop trying. Enjoy your game (of course you don't need my permission for that!) and I and my friends will just deal with other companies. They have enough fans to just make their last KS, so they will be fine without our money.
      If I ever somehow hear that they HAVE fixed it, I might actually finish SRR, but they have pretty much lost my group's business for good.

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      Creator Enrique Matta on October 15, 2013

      For all of those complaining about Linux users complaining, think of it this way. We backed a project because it will support the platform we use. I have been a Linux-based user since 2005 (haven't owned windows or mac since then). We just want what we were promised, and when there is lack of news and new things like this coming from HBS it just seems like a spit in the face. If you can't develop and release for Desktop Linux-based OSes in a timely manner then do not promise it. I feel kickstarting this was a mistake, and it has spilled over to all other kickstarter projects that I might have spent my money on.

      You would be complaining too if you didn't get what you paid for upfront AND get so little news about it that you wonder if they just took your money and ran. If they gave Linux users a refund, I would happily take it at this point because I no longer want to support HBS and their lack of support or communication. Even now, we have a lot of Linux talk in this thread and we haven't heard a single peep out of them.

      P.S. - WINE is not a suitable substitute for gaming. I paid for native platform release and that is what I expect.

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      Creator RC on October 15, 2013

      I have more constructive comments to make, but...sometimes Ijust don't feel it'd be worth the time to do so. At some point, constructive commentary and level headedness will always get washed out by people motivated by unreasonable levels of anger, angst and whatever drives their deconstructive actions. It's easier to destroy than to build or compromise...etc, and no one wants to put much effort in to a hostile atmosphere.

      HBS already stated they're working on a different way to handle game saves. The rest is about patience. the PROJECT isn't even finished yet. Berlin is till in development. The game is still being improved, and so is the editor.

      The existing game save method is neither a bug nor a problem for the majority of gamers who continually pick up the game, finish it, and state how much they really enjoyed it. No caveats. Even when asked, they didn't see any problems with checkpoints. And yes, they are the majority of players hands down. Need proof? Cull the last 2+ months worth of mentions about Shadowrun Returns on Twitter. Most people love it. The majority of reviews on itunes and google play... 5 stars, no caveats.

      Are there issues? Yes. The game save isn't one of them. Is it a preference that not everyone appreciates? Yes. Is HBS working on resolving that? Yes. Are we who prefer instant game saves the majority? Not by a long shot. There are even purists, lots of them it seems, who prefer to not have instant game saves. Which, kinda surprised me.

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      Creator RC on October 15, 2013

      Visa pretty much has the right of it ^_^

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      Creator Visa | Tormented Dream Goat of Eternity on October 15, 2013

      @S.D.: I don't think RC meant it specifically to you. You've certainly been one of, if not the most civil critic here today/tonight. Mostly people who still side with HBS on this issue (myself at least, though I've until kept my trap shut....mostly) seem to be upset to this Jim Todd guy, whose doing little else except spewing hateful crap at HBS and anyone siding with them.

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      Creator RC on October 15, 2013

      @SD I think you misread who made those statements, Chummer ^_^

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      Creator Tom Bratchford on October 15, 2013

      S.D. I for one completely understand and respect your position, would probably feel and do the same in your shoes. It's called fiscal responsibility. (I wonder if Congress is monitoring this... ;) )

      I would hope that no one here thinks that all Linux users overreact: I think it's easy for any person (platform is irrelevant) to lose perspective under the right circumstances.

      BTW, I retract my implications that the silent majority are generally happy and the vocal minority are generally unhappy. While I believe this to be the case, I did a quick search out of interest and could find no (general) studies that took a position either way, so as I can't back it up with anything substantial, I'm dropping it.

      Much love all! Happy gaming!

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      Creator S.D. on October 15, 2013

      @RC: Wow, I thought I was quite civil, regarding my Linux comment. I'm sorry if it in any way came off as "entitled", as "rampaging" or full of "angst". I assure you that I had no such intentions, and intended in no way to cast aspersions on the team or their skills. I understand that these things take time, and I'm sure that switching the engine to Unity3D from MOAI SDK has been very helpful in moving the Linux port along. At the same time, I have not yet been delivered what I've pledged, so it makes sense to hold off on any further investment. I haven't complained in any ungrateful way at any stage of this project, and I find it deeply discouraging that my entire gaming community is being painted in a negative light due to a couple of truculent commentors (Ok, I admit you're not engaging in that, but there is a strong vein of it throbbing in the thread). How can anyone really blame us for holding off to wait and see? There are thirty-thousand fans on this project who are Windows & Mac gamers, and I'm sure they can swing Golem Arcana this time around (in fact, I think they just did) ^_^

      @Alex Liggett: While I don't have Windows Steam to run the game in (you'll notice that the AppDb entry is only for that version, also none of the testers in that list are running Ubuntu, the distribution I usually game on), of course I tried the DRM-free backers version for Win7, and it was very glitchy/crashy. Wine just didn't work for me, sorry. Platinum or no, it was nothing but frustration and immersion-breaking. I'd prefer to wait for a solid experience that I can just download and run without the Steam launcher. And I'm willing to wait for it! I'm just not going to kick any more cash into HBS until that happens. I'm not being an ass, I'm just being prudent.

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      Creator Tobi (Crusader Kickstarter pls!!) on October 15, 2013

      ha, they did it, congrats HBS!

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      Creator Jacob on October 15, 2013

      congrats hbs! although i did not backi golem, it's still innovative, and to me it seems like the natural progression for games with miniatures

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      Creator Ber on October 14, 2013

      @w.ll.am (and anyone else outraged that their precious time and bandwidth has been wasted by this update): You can actually unsubscribe from updates for individual projects if you want to, as follows:
      Me (in top right) -> Edit Settings -> Notifications tab -> Manage project notifications -> untick projects you don't want to hear from -> Save settings

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      RC: wow...the term "concern troll" almost comes to mind...yes, my life is a never-ending spiral of anguish, that's why I ask for answers from a company to which I paid money-but please spend another seven paragraphs on "my problems"- The POINT...that you are missing...is that their claim that they were looking into it is meaningless if they never honor their commitment to report back on what they found. They don't get credit for saying "we are looking into it" then doing nothing.

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      Creator Lion on October 14, 2013

      @RC

      Can't say I blame him. The majority of people that have played it (that I know of across the net) have labeled the game as incredibly mediocre and lazily done.

      Given the success of the kickstarter, the amount of money they had, and the experience of the team, it seems like a mid tier indie game that wasn't well implemented.

      I've played games with little to no budget that were much better than this and didn't cop out on the most basic of basics. I can't even believe that normal saving was even an issue in this day and age.

      That's something I would have expected back in the SNES days not now.

      It's nice that they are listening and want to fix it but it should have been there to begin with.

      P.S. Still thinks it was a complete violation of trust and lack of professionalism that they didn't tell anyone about their publisher until way past the end of kickstarter.

      The people paying you to do more kickstarter projects are either unfortunately uninformed or hopelessly stupid. I would never trust you with my money ever again.

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      Creator w.ll.am on October 14, 2013

      This is very intrusive spam. You can't unsubscribe without unsubscribing from all of kickstarter. It's basically a captive audience and it is taking advantage of the system to send out a mass email like this. It's extremely poor netiquette from a company.

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      Creator GrumpySteen on October 14, 2013

      Well, that certainly blew up.

      My post was intended to be a polite reminder of the guidelines and the fact that this update violated them, not the trigger for a witch hunt. I didn't report the update because I saw it as a simple mistake. I pointed out the mistake because I like the people at Hairbrained Schemes and I would rather not see them get banned.

      @UniForge Games: Yes, it's a guideline. If you bothered to scroll to the bottom of the guidelines page I linked, you'd have seen this: "Violating these rules or our Terms of Use may result in your account being deleted and/or your project being suspended." Kickstarter takes its guidelines a bit more seriously than you seem to believe and has banned accounts for this type of post in the past. I like the people at Hairbrained Schemes. I don't want to see them get booted from Kickstarter (thus the attempt at a gentle warning).

      Finally, the tone of your reply was condescending and inappropriate. My post was polite and pointed out a mistake without offering insult or criticism. I even pointed out that a reminder about a different project is okay as long as it's part of an actual update on the project whose page it's posted on. There was no reason for you to reply the way you did. To borrow your own words, "man is it ever easy for people to be grumpy/negative online."

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      Creator RC on October 14, 2013

      From: Jason P. Mesisco about 6 hours ago

      @ Jim Todd -- I've been watching things here for a while now and was a little hesitant to reply to you. You seem pretty dead set in your perspective and, from what I can tell, refuse to see things any other way... That being said, I honestly don't really expect much from you other than "bile spewing" since I'm not going to agree with you.

      The problem with your apparent hatred for this game and HBS is a subjective one. For instance, myself and many others don't see the save system as broken. (Shocker, I know) I actually enjoy the game for what it is too. For whatever reason HBS decided to implement the current save system to be this way. It's not some "oops" or a bug... It was an intentional design. They are however being cool enough imho to listen to the public outcry for change and experiment on ways to fix it regardless of the games success. (I'd assume that's pretty tough cross platform considering the mobile platforms alone can be tricky... ...but I'm no game designer.)

      Regardless... I'm not typing all this out in hopes of changing your mind. I'm not that naive. I'm just acknowledging what I see. At the risk of sounding overwhelmingly condescending you truly have my pity above all else. You must really be suffering with something deep (or must really hate your life) to drag crap like this on for so long and be this upset. Besides.. Threatening things like loss of business doesn't make you "cool" or "powerful", it's just an escape... (especially here since we ALL already OWN the game, and an email to HBS would be just as effective.) ...I'm sure you knew that though.. ...Right?

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      Creator Sean Long on October 14, 2013

      @ Tome Bratchford
      [[ Sean Long. Disagree. Upset people are more likely to comment. Clearly.

      You can disagree with fact all you like. But that fact is, simply and solely: a silent majority is only a SILENT majority, nothing else. End of story.

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      Now...if in the original KS they had admitted "now this is going to be really complex so we'll likely screw up something like SAVING" then I could sympathize--but not back it.

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      Tom: I might comment on the rest later, but the old "what did YOU build?" argument is ridiculous--I didn't build a thing...but if I ask someone for THEIR MONEY because I claim that I can build something, then when I botch the job I can't really fall back on that. My plumber floods my bathroom..I demand he fix it..by your reasoning I have no right to complain because I have never done plumbing

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      Creator Tom Bratchford on October 14, 2013

      Sean Long. Disagree. Upset people are more likely to comment. Clearly.

      'Conducting their business in a disreputably spammy nature' - seriously? One out of 63 updates (updates which really pulled back the curtain), at a crucial point of a project that keeps the coy alive?

      Complainers: show me what you have built, on this scale, where you have made everyone happy.

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      Creator Sean Long on October 14, 2013

      @ rc
      [[ The better HBS does as a company, across ALL their projects,
      [[ the better they can support the future of Shadowrun Returns!

      No - not if, by conducting their business in a disreputably spammy nature, they succeed in ALIENATING large portions of their customer base.

      [[ So take a look at Golem Arcana [...]

      No. The one thing this update has assured, is that I _WILL NOT_ back that project.

      ...

      @ Tom Bratchford
      [[ HBS: remember there are 36,276 backers. I'm guessing the
      [[ silent majority are happy.

      Or have just quietly /killfiled any further emails from HBS, on any topic.

      Never, ever mistake silence for consent or assent. Indeed, never mistake it for anything except, well ... _silence_.

      After all - HBS themselves have not seen fit to rebut or otherwise respond to the claims of several of us, that this entire update is nothing more than spam ... so is their silence assent with that? Or maybe, just perhaps, their silence merely makes my point that one should not project ANYthing onto someone, merely for remaining silent on a subject?

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      Tom - I don't doubt that the VAST majority COULD be happy.

      And if HBS had said "Shove It! We got your money and the save system is PERFECT" then I would have uninstalled the game, and HBS would not have seen my words nor my money ever again. I know only THREE people from my gaming group who backed SRR....one HATED every bit of it, from the railroading to the complete bizarre decisions about things like close combat/adepts, to (yes) the save system. Another thought it was just okay, but hated the save system.

      I am still actually willing to give it a shot, but I am NOT if I have to click through endless dialog trees every time a mission is failed because they couldn't figure out how to program a save.

      Even so, they COULD have just said 'To heck with you all!"....

      They did NOT (at first)...they actually told us back in AUGUST that they were looking into it, and would report back...never happened.

      A month ago they could have said "Yeah, looked into it and we just can't figure it out...and we find Golem Arcana more lucrative and interesting now" - which seems to be the case...but just SAY SOMETHING!

      So have they looked into it or not....odds are they looked at posts like yours, the money from that 36,276 backers, and just smiled and closed the door on actual core improvements to SRR.

      In another month - great news! - I'll give up and assume that HBS is just another unethical business in a world full of unethical businesses. Their silence on this will be my answer.

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      Creator Tom Bratchford on October 14, 2013

      HBS: remember there are 36,276 backers. I'm guessing the silent majority are happy.

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      With respect to fixing savess, if I can directly quote HBS: "we wanted to let you know that we’re actively investigating it and will let you know more in the coming weeks"

      Did I miss something?....I realize they didn't say how many weeks (420?), but by my calendar on Wednesday it will be two MONTHS since they said this, and I don't recall anyone 'letting us know more'...

      So I check in periodically to see if they honor that commitment, and I get advertising for a completely different KS. Not only am I annoyed that my friends and I backed this and got a very meh game with a HORRID save system, but I'm worried that people who back Golem Arcana are going to get even worse....HBS absolutely nuked their goals for Shadowrun Returns and we got this save system - - how ghastly is GA going to be if they just make it? Will we be here in the future, watching them announce that the issue with the stylus exploding in your hand is being looked into, and they will get back to us any day now.

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      Creator Jim Todd on October 14, 2013

      Daniel Mackey and others: it doesn't have a thing to do with SRR...I am waiting for the save system in that game to be fixed....but who cares about that game that they screwed up?!?! Buy this new game and forget about that money you just threw in the toilet! It has a cool new pen! And if they hit $456M on Golem Arcana, the reward is they will think about maybe looking into the issues with SRR....possibly.

      They have moved on, I guess.

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      Creator Alex Liggett on October 14, 2013

      For all the complaining Linux users Shadowrun Returns is a PLATINUM game on Wine...that means it works PERFECTLY on LINUX RIGHT NOW!!

      I wish the developers had never promised to support Linux...the negative entitled attitude of Linux users is sickening (I use Linux, Mac OS and Windows to get this WORK...not make a political statement).

      http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php…

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      Creator RC on October 14, 2013

      Not yet, but someone's been working hard on including Narwhals... ^_^

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      Creator drow on October 14, 2013

      Okay, linux, late, spam, WHATEVER.

      What we really want to know is... does Golem Arcana have PONIES?

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      Creator Valery on October 14, 2013

      @Tom Bratchford:
      While you certainly have a point regarding overreactions on our (Linux users) side I must point out that you had a virtue of ability to wait willingly while ALL of us (backers and non-backers alike) are waiting because we have to. And all of us have strong will to repeatedly restrain ourselves from showing our displeasure while shower of releases for OTHER platforms (kickstarted or otherwise) occurs right before our eyes.

      All that "vast majority" you are pointing to is meaningless if there is no core part -- the product itself! Will you be happy if the only thing you will get is a nice and shiny pack paper? My bet: not really...

      P.S. And, my personal advise to you: don't mention GOG to a Linux user if you do not want to catch some unpleasant words to your face! If you are curious -- try some searching for what GOG said recently about Linux support and everything will be clear to you.

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      Creator RC on October 14, 2013

      ...and for the linux users, HBS stated from the beginning they didn't have linux development talent in-house. The linux port would take time to release after Shadowrun Returns came out. They announced a linux development branch for public testing for this month, and it's only been what, only 2.5 months since launch?

      The project's Berlin campaign expansion is still in the works as well. The Shadowrun Returns projects is ongoing, and the linux port is being developed *exactly as promised*

      There's a reason I don't jump in the pool and identify myself as a long time *nix enthusiast. All the angst and rampaging around others do that make us look like 13yr old xbox FPS kiddies.

      Small game studios need to grow in order to support ALL the games they make. If they stagnate they die. If HBS didn't keep chugging on, there would be no Shadowrun Returns sequel. Microsoft owns the license and would just shelve it. With HBS continuing to grow and work on and support Shadowrun Returns, we have hope for future, even better Shadowrun game development, even for linux. Please don't ruin that, chums.

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      Creator Imaria on October 14, 2013

      Absolutely spam. I look forward to your apology for misuse of this project, and your breach of Kickstarter's community policies on spamming.

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      Creator RC on October 14, 2013

      Hoi Chummers!

      The better HBS does as a company, across ALL their projects, the better they can support the future of Shadowrun Returns! Small game dev studios aren't all about one game, they're about growing their studio so they can give more love, and more resources to ALL their games.

      Keep in mind, HBS has about 27 team members working on Shadowrun Returns, and about 4 people working on Golem Arcana.

      Now, do we want to see bigger and better Shadowrun Returns sequels? I know I do. And by HBS growing their studio across the board, they can grow their team, and do better for ALL of us in the future of the shadows in which we 'run. So take a look at Golem Arcana at the link below, and if any part of it interests you, back it, and spread the word! More Golem Arcana means more fun, and a stringer studio behind Shadowrun Returns! ^_^

      http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/golem-arcana

      Ja Mata!

      -RC

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      Creator Nicholas Russell on October 14, 2013

      Yeah... How about you not waste my time with this Hairbrained Schemes?

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      Creator Daniel Mackey on October 14, 2013

      Kind of wondering what this update has to do with Shadowrun Returns...

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      Creator Tom Bratchford on October 14, 2013

      Fudge! The list! Don't crucify for not delivering on time!

      http://www.gog.com/mix/linux_native_source_ports

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      Creator Tom Bratchford on October 14, 2013

      Erm.

      It's a gaming company, letting you know about a gaming product, you being an audience who has already shown a willingness to put up some cash towards a gaming product: It's a cool product, (but I'm not in - far too expensive when you include shipping, I don't mind doing math) & I'll defend HBS's right to use one out of 63 detailed, informative and interesting updates in this project to promote to an interested demographic a project that otherwise might not get up, harming the long term dream of turning their gaming hobbies into careers.

      I think some perspective is what is needed here: once you Linux folks have your hands on the product you backed (note: NOT pre ordered! No guarantees!) you're going to look back on these emotional comments you've posted here... and maybe... just maybe... you'll think to yourself, "Man, I was just a little to p!ssed off to think clearly. I think I overreacted here."

      This isn't spam. This is a startup trying to keep the dream alive.

      Take a deep breath and wait. I'm on Mac. You know when I started playing SR? Two days ago. Why? Because I'm patient. Because there is plenty of other stuff to do.

      For example, here is a list of games you can purchase (note, not back, purchase - guaranteed to receive!) on GoG that work natively on Linux. Take a punt on something, such as Baldur's Gate - if you've never played that, you've missed out so far. Now, I don't work for GoG - just demonstrating that there is plenty to do while you wait, rather than lose perspective and attack the people whose dream you shared, and who you believed in, just over a year ago.

      It's not like they haven't delivered the vast majority of what was promised. It's not like there aren't signs it's moving forward for Linux folks. Relax, wait, and consider what it says under the comment box: 'Be respectful and considerate'.

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      Creator Vincent V. on October 14, 2013

      @RC: Thanks for that update again, I am also waiting for the Linux version, but you stated already that it would come with SRR patch early October, so it's not like you left us in the dark. I'm looking forward to playing and will be glad to help test that beta build.

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      Creator Valery on October 14, 2013

      I think I should apologize for my initial choise of words. Maybe I was too harsh (and made bad impression about Linux users) but I always like that -- never thinking before saying.

      It is disgraceful to wish for a failure of another (if said "another" is not your sworn enemy) but it is getting harder and harder with every update.

      Today I woke up and found new update in my mailbox regarding SR. So I went to the site... only to find that it is actually just poor advertisement of the failing (for now) kickstarter campaign which has nothing to do with SR and Linux at all!

      I'm not against cross-advertisement per se. But if a company advertises its own campaign irrelevant to [and in expense of] current campaign I find it disgusting! Cross-advertisement should be done by OTHER developers AND in the proper section of kickstarter site (that beeing "Comments", not "Updates").

      So, my statement remains.

      P.S. Given HBS is a small studio (≈15 employees) I suppose most (if not all) of the developers right now are doing anything and everything BUT porting SR to Linux. Sorry, guys, my faith in your company is completely shattered. )-:

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      Creator S.D. on October 14, 2013

      Yeah, guys you know I love you, but I don't even have SR:R for my platform yet (Linux), so I'm not really feeling it for a brand new project (one which doesn't mention Linux anywhere as a potential desktop companion platform, and my laptop *does* in fact have BT 4.0, works fine). I'm not going to rehash the complaints below (cross-promotion doesn't bother me), but I'll definitely be more interested in funding new HBS projects after I receive something from this one. To date, I've received nothing from the team except the sweet desktop background (which graced my screen for like four months!). I'm an understanding guy, and I've noticed that RC says we'll get a Linux beta up on Steam sometime soon, which is great. Can't help but think that this means my DRM-free Linux build will appear sometime early next year. That's a bitter pill, and an awful long wait, and though I feel that SR:R will be worth it, I just can't justify giving y'all any more money just yet.

      You understand, right? :-)

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      Creator Uli on October 14, 2013

      +1 to all the people calling this Spam.

      I am very unlikely to back another Kickstarter by them anyway. First the whole fiasco with the DRM free versions and then they release the Tablet versions before Linux... I dont think they are very loyal to their backers or their original promises.

      BTW I just found this comment by another user in the last update concerning tablets:

      "I'm a little surprised that HBS avoided mentioning Golem Arcana, their other great Kickstarter. Very classy compared to what I'm used too."

      ...hehe

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      Creator Matthias Jansen on October 14, 2013

      @RC: And now show me where they have told us: "Now if you’re a Linux-only user, you’ll have to wait for your version because we will first release the Non-Backer-Reward IOs and Android version and will start working on our next KS campaign. So you have to wait for your promised version after we have monetized the max out"

      The problem is not too much the delay but the obviously backer-ignoring priorities. And that is enough reason for me to not again becoming a backer for any HBS project.

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      Creator RC on October 14, 2013

      Hoi Linux loving Chummers!

      First a reminder, HBS stated as early back as *the 4th Update of the Kickstarter" that:

      "So here’s the deal: We can now say with confidence that if we hit our $1M stretch goal, we will be able to partner with the right external developer, port Shadowrun Returns to Linux, and deliver it in a reasonable amount of time after the game is released.

      We’ll also add it to the $15 reward level (alongside the PC/Mac versions). Now if you’re a Linux-only user, you’ll have to wait for your version, but from what you’ve told us, you’re willing to do that.

      Thanks again for all the support, the constructive comments, and for your patience."

      And, a test branch of the Linux version of Shadowrun Returns is being released *this month* on Steam. It's not the finished version but it shows they ARE working on it, and it goes out on Steam which gives HBS the tools and demographics they need to gauge interest and feedback without wasting project money.

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      Creator Matthias Jansen on October 14, 2013

      @Sean Long

      That is exactly how it is.

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      Creator Sean Long on October 14, 2013

      @ UniForge Games
      ... okay, then it's only _your_ KS projects I need to remember not to pledge a penny to.

      @ Ber
      @ Malcom Wardlaw
      ... a bit of cross-promiting is fine; I'e no problem if a company adds a mention of their other KS prjoect(s) in an otherwise on-topic update. But I _do_ mind when the _entire_ update is nothing but an advertisement.

      @ RC
      ... wanting HBS to do well, does not mean excusing them from behaving properly. Spam is improper behavior - and in fact, I wish economic _failure_ on _recurrent_ spammers. HBS would do well to NOT aspire to inclusion in that category.

      @ Tobi
      ... no, I think Linux users' displeasure is fair and warranted. They were promised a Linux port as part of their _rewards_ for backign the project ... a reward which has not yet been delivered upon, yet, HBS has managed to go ahead and release OTHER 'ports. Were I a Linux user, I'd be a bit peeved, too. As for "whiners" ... you're not seeing hate. You're seeing fairly expressed displeasure at a mildly underhanded business tactic. Spam is spam, no matter who sends it.

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