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From the developers of the cult hit S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series, comes a new post apocalyptic video game called Areal. Read more

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From the developers of the cult hit S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series, comes a new post apocalyptic video game called Areal.

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    1. Creator Avalanche on May 11

      @ d4v33edz

      What? Aversion to work isn't a plus point for working at West Ga... oh. I mean... it's not something that would... would... or... ummm...

      ...

      ... so you like my paypal/chocolate idea, huh? :o)

      Oh wait, I have something. West Games are hardly going to offer a job to a troll now, are they. Not after their disgraceful Update:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1577656602/areal/posts/920631

      So, we can *all* put this nonsense to... to... why are you looking at me like that? What do you mean re-read the list?

      < read >
      < /read >

      Are you kidding me? I didn't even make that list?! Should I be hurt/offended, feel complimented or slighted or... I have no idea. But the one time when being branded a troll would have actually been *useful* and West Games let me down.

      Although, ways that West Games let me down is a list of my own, so at least I can add another thing to that.

      :oD

    2. Creator d4v33edz on May 4

      @ Avalanche, your just the man to take over from West Games, an aversion to work is the most obvious plus point here. I also like the idea of using paypal to transfer quantities of chocolate around.

      @ Maurice Burgmans, nice ideas for motivation, the Italian method is definitely a winner.

    3. Creator Avalanche on April 23

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      Hmmm, I'm going to stall, in a placatory/non-committal sort of way (that's familiar) and say: yes, I can see how West Games' lack of contribution is problematic to any progress.

      Although... it's just... not as problematic as the necessity for me to now move. And now you expect me to make the game as well? As well as .t..hE. .b..Lo..G.? Oh for crying out loud, that's the opposite of not doing work. At first I thought about moving to another country, but that might not be far enou... oh wait, you mean a West Games game? As in, not an *actual* game? Just some archive pictures, assurances and then blame everyone else? I can do that. I can blame everyone else. In fact, we can just cut to the chase: it's all Ahmad's fault :oD

    4. Creator Maurice Burgmans on April 21

      @Avalanche:
      Your aversion to work is not a problem because it can be countered by properly 'motivating' you. My italian colleagues gave me alot of tips on how to motivate someone =). But i'm no expert so at the moment i'm still collecting the info and the horse heads i need.

      So considering you will get an offer you can't refuse, the only problem now is that West Games is not doing anything funny for you to write about. Those slackers sure are not what they used to be... At this rate they are going to make Putin's daughter sad because she was so looking forward to the new Stalker game. And you definitely don't want to anger Putin you might even be the cause of world war 3.
      So there are no other optons left. If west Games decides to remain silent like this, we will have to ask you to write not only the blog, but make the new Stalker game by yourself aswell (don't forget to make lots and lots of concept art, preferably vehicles). The fate of the world lies in your hands, Avalanche. No pressure.

    5. Creator Avalanche on April 17

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      What do you mean, ' *Now* I have an excuse '? I always had one: aversion to work! :oD

      @ Ahmad Khan

      Outstanding. My paypal is... wait, are you sure paypal accept chocolate? :o) Thinking about it, I'm not sure if I even *have* a palpal account anym... hold on... @ Maurice Burgmans:- What do you mean "coerce"? That sounds kinda sinister, in an organised crime sort of way. Are you planning some kind of elaborate extortion/blackmail/kidnapping-of-loved-ones scheme or something? ;oP

    6. Creator Ahmad Khan on April 13

      Avalanche: you're on, paypal address please :-)
      Maurice don't be such a downer :-D

    7. Creator Maurice Burgmans on April 9

      Since West games have given up again, it seems this forum has died out again too.
      Now Avalanche has an excuse not to make his blog...
      We must find another way to coerce him into making the blog anyway.

    8. Creator Avalanche on April 1

      @ Ahmad Khan

      Soooo... shall I put you down for 5 quid? I do accept payment in chocolate* :o)

      * must remember to update the Terms and Conditions

    9. Creator Ahmad Khan on March 24

      @Avalanche
      haha fair enough, and good investment idea :D

    10. Creator Avalanche on March 21

      @ d4v33edz and All

      Pre-IPOs? Soooo... okay, are we thinking that they're now moving towards becoming a bank, or...? Anyone taking bets on how long before they try to secede, declare themselves their own country and create their own laws? :o)

      Such as they are, all the old projects are still there ( https://wfunder.com/discover/index ), but this does seem to be the next... thing. *Still* giving.

      Wait a second...

      "Invest in .t..hE. .b..Lo..G.

      Get a share of 1% of the profits* of .t..hE. .b..Lo..G. with it's soon to be pre-IPO. Get in early and get the same deal as those who would invest* later, assuming .t..hE. .b..Lo..G. even makes an IPO. If you can't wait, then send money now for a pre-pre-IPO, with none of the assurances** already made.

      * profits calculated after taxes, expenses, miscellaneous outgoings, other taxes, more outgoings, things I feel like spending money on and stuff. .t..hE. .b..Lo..G. is a not-for-profit organisation. Investing in .t..hE. .b..Lo..G. does not constitute an investment. All "taxes" to be considered moving money to parent, sibling, child companies and off-shore accounts and should in no way be asked about.
      ** any and all assurances are not guaranteed"

      Anyone interested?

    11. Creator d4v33edz on March 20

      Hmmm... WFunder seems to be undergoing a change, the home page now just asks about if you want to start a project (Oh yes please..or maybe not). WG now seems to be offering us this:

      http://stalker-a.com/#home

    12. Creator Avalanche on March 18

      @ Ahmad Khan

      I still can't really see any wider appeal. I think those of us who are interested the most are already here now :o) and we kinda already know what happened. I doubt anyone else would be all that interested. Plus, you know, the whole 'work' thing :o)

    13. Creator Ahmad Khan on March 12

      @Avalanche: keep us posted on that blog idea.
      @D4V: now that's the most important question isn't it.

    14. Creator d4v33edz on March 12

      Well that's STALKER Apocalypse timed out. So what happens next? Be interesting to see what WFunder does does and also what WG's next move is.

    15. Creator Avalanche on March 9

      @ Maurice Burgmans [ from https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1577656602/areal/comments… ]

      I think you're forgetting that the inclusion of Battlefield 6 in the title means that vehicles could *actually* be relevant and that, as we all know, is *very* important :o) Admittedly, the last Battlefield game I played was Secret Weapons, so including vehicles in 'STALKER - half life in metro 2036 during great Battlefield 6' could just end up being a completely out of place gimmick, solely for the purpose of producing seemingly endless concept art, hastily cobbled together to try and convince... wait a second... that sounds familiar :oD

      @ All*

      I really do hope they have given up. I actually enjoy still coming here and the ridiculous posts over the past weeks (in case that wasn't obvious - I find it kinda cathartic), but despite saying I'd feel compelled to start .t..hE. .b..Lo..G. running in parallel with West Games if they came back here and tried again, I *really* hope they don't.

      A part of me does think if people are foolish enough to give money for such things. But *far* more, I think that there are people who are earnest/trusting and want another S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game so much that they pledge, not realising, or wanting to believe, that it's a deception. They may just think such things look like something they would really like and want to support it. And I always feel bad for them.

      I'm not sure if we have any influence anymore, so probably our views fail to affect, but either way, I hope they are done.

      Having said *that*... they actually created their own crowd funding website. I mean... that *is* the sort of thing I'm going to keep bringing up again and again. Who does that: crowd funding fails on Kickstarter; also fails on a private website made to *look* like Kickstater: next thing is *obviously* combine the two and see what happens? I don't want them to, but I can't help but wonder if they have something else planned.

      On a (very) related note Project Tool actually expired last month ( https://wfunder.com/project/44 ), so that answers the question as to whether it was going to keep getting endless extensions. Is it just me, or does project/44 sound sinister?

      * I say 'All'... it currently means nashathedog, d4v33edz and Maurice Burgmans :o) Wonder where Messrs. Hurtig and Khan went to...

    16. Creator Maurice Burgmans on March 9

      Yes these scams are obviously very bad for crowdfunding in general. It's odd people can actually believe in projects where the creators are so clearly being dishonest,..

    17. Creator d4v33edz on March 8

      Well with 3 days to go and only 3% of the target figure achieved, unless we see another deeply suspicious sudden funding boost, it isn't going to float. it will be interesting to see what happens to WFunder after those 3 days.

      @ nashathedog, I agree, the way these people have burned backers could well impact on honest new game devs trying to get a foot on the ladder through kickstart, but is the end for this lot, well only time well tell on that. Perhaps with GSC opening it's doors again people will wait for real deal.

    18. Creator nashathedog on March 8

      We don't want them doing it again because every time they do they seem to walk away with a few thousand pounds/dollars/whatevers and that means that each time a lot of people have been burned, The majority of those people are unlikely to support anyone else after having that done to them. If this ttype of behaviour becomes commonplace it is likely to be the main contributor to the demise of the crowd funding scene and the loss of a great source of games we would not otherwise get.

    19. Creator Maurice Burgmans on March 3

      @Avalanche:

      Because no dots were placed between the letters the title 'STALKER - half life in metro 2036 during great Battlefield 6' definitely breaches the STALKER copyrights. That's the main reason that game will never happen.

      I wonder if they gave up for real this time. Part of me wants this to be the last time they tried this scam so our victory is complete but another part of me wants them to do something funny again. Such a dilemma...

    20. Creator Avalanche on February 27

      http://areal.west-games.com/ is gone < salutes > and their facebook page [ https://www.facebook.com/areal.game ] isn't even deleting negative comments anymore.

      After the announcement of S..Ta.L.k..eR .aP.OC.ol..yP.Se, the top Comment is:

      "Hi guys, until you don´t show me work in progress you can call your game STALKER - half life in metro 2036 during great Battlefield 6 ...and i dont give you any cent.." (16 votes)

      Second is:

      "What is this? 'Our first con didn't work so we're trying again', or 'our first con worked really well so we're doing it again'? Either way, I don't trust you." (14 votes)

      I do want to play 'STALKER - half life in metro 2036 during great Battlefield 6' though :o)

    21. Creator Avalanche on February 27

      @ ... no one in particular as there's nothing to comment on

      No need for me to actually reply as nothing at all suspicious. Just an everyday string of characters, testing how the characters would post. No hidden message. No using somebody else's comments section. No contact with comrades in...

      ...

      < awkward cough >

      ...I've said too much.

    22. Creator d4v33edz on February 26

      @Avalanche

      Great idea, use somebody else's kickstarter campaign comments section to experiment with angle brackets etc. Even WG didn't think of that..... :)

    23. Creator Maurice Burgmans on February 26

      Hmm that is particularly suspicious.
      I am certain you are trying to send a hidden message under our plain view without us noticing.

    24. Creator Avalanche on February 25

      Weird test to see what Kickstarter does with angle brackets, so no need to read:

      < << >> > <> <<>>

      Seriously, no need to read this :o)

    25. Creator Avalanche on February 20

      @ nashathedog

      Add it to the very long list of things West Games thought was okay? Or tried to *convince* people was okay.

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      This is typical of those out to discredit. I never said that the entertainment centre could have "the exclusive S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy from GoG"... ... that would cost extra ;oP

      Those are good points about the Privacy Policy though. For .t..hE. .b..Lo..G., it seems very straightforward. How about:

      "I have privacy. You do not."

      I think it covers everything nicely.

    26. Creator Maurice Burgmans on February 17

      @Avalanche:
      That entertainment center of yours is obviously a fake. There's no way it could have the exclusive S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy from GoG.
      And you do need a privacy policy. One that forbids the users of the blog to try dig up facts about you, gives you the right to put the names of people who disagree on international terrorism and trolling lists and protects the anonimity of all Eugenes participating in the project.

      @nashathedog:
      Some companies just go way too far in trying to protect their copyright though. King suing the makers of the banner saga for using the word saga comes to mind. No judge in their right mind would agree with them.

    27. Creator nashathedog on February 17

      Fortress fallout developers have been jumped on by Bethesda for using the word fallout in the games title, So a game that has no similarities to the Fallout series can not use that word,

      Yet West games think that what there doing is okay?

    28. Creator Avalanche on February 13

      About GSC :o)

      That's a surprise. Good one though. I wonder how long before they're going to say more. I wish the bit about 'not hesitating to take action' had been a quote of what was actually said, but no messing about with regard to West Games and a Flash Game. A Flash game? Even using the word "steal".

      Personal gripe: I hate it when websites say stuff like "mysteriously suspended". What was so mysterious about it? Just because Kickstarter didn't officially say? And it wasn't cancelled "not long after it began". And why do websites say "It's being made by...", when there's no reason to think it in anyway exists. They said all that about Areal and that never existed either.

      I'll stop. I did think of another possible name for the blog though:

      .t..hE. .b..Lo..G.

      :oD

    29. Creator Avalanche on February 13

      @ d4v33edz

      Eugene Avalanche is good. It is only *one* Eugene though, which is a concern. Don't get me wrong, it *is* a good start. I wonder though, if anyone in the Kovtun family lives in Eugene, in the U.S.A.? Now I know what you're thinking, *but* there are *three* Eugenes in The States. Three. Add them to Eugene Avalanche and we have the four that we need. I think that's fate.

      Exciting news? Ummm... something about me getting a new entertainment center? 100" surface-conduction electron-emitter display, hex layer X-ray disc player, advanced mulltipositional micro triode vacuum tube amplifier, 36.7.3 surround sound speaker system (joint Bang & Olufsen/Bose technology, naturally), synchronised hybrid holographic interface allowing... oh, you meant something about the blog. Ummm... I bought the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy from GoG. Remember? That's definitely related and I'm... pretty excited about playing it. Will that do?

      @ nashathedog

      Small print? I *love* small print.

      I like "Honesty not guaranteed", but don't you think it's in itself a bit... well... honest? Also, kinda direct and not in the least bit deceptive, evasive or contradictory.

      How about:

      "Copyright of The Blog is absolute and any and all other material becomes part of The Blog's absolute copyright as soon as the material becomes part of The Blog irrespective of the material's previously copyright or if the material even becomes part of The Blog. Definition of 'truth' and 'question' at the sole discretion of The Blog. The Blog reserves the right to represent the information contained within The Blog as representing and representative of the information in The Blog. No liability to be undertaken with regard to The Blog being. Acknowledgement of the fine print waves the right to question and accepts The Blog as fact. All facts subject to change without notice."

      Actually I think you've hit on something rather important here. We may need a full Terms of Use. Obviously no need for a Privacy Policy, as all Backer's names/pledge amount and full details will be in The Blog for all to see, so that will save a bit of time. And I like the NDA idea. That's a whole separate document and I'm thinking it would link to the £10,000 Tier. That way, the Backer pays £10,000 to actually *get* answers, but can't tell anyone about it :o)

      @ Maurice Burgmans and d4v33edz

      Ahhh... okay, E.A. Yeah, I can go with that. Shorter. Also, still very cool marketing-wise. The abbreviation *is* the brand name. And marketing will always tell us: It's in the name. Wait... that sounds familiar... hold on...

      ...

      I looked it up and I see what you mean about copyright. EA is already taken. That's a shame. But as you say, there *are* dots in E.A. and I'm sure EA are a pretty laid back company and, I mean, it's not like they're considered the *worst* company or anything ridiculous like that, so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, the fine print already takes care of copyright and we can add something similar regarding trademarks. As d4v33edz said: "taking shape nicely". What could possibly go wrong.

      Although, now that I think about it: Buying the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy off GoG? That's actually true, so... let's just go with the entertainment center news. I'm sure the Backers will be fine with that.

    30. Creator d4v33edz on February 12

      @Maurice Burgmans

      Infringe on copyrights!!!???

      Remember where you are,... copyrights....bah! Who needs that kind of b#llsh#t, we ARE the makers of this damn thing, we made this, here...a video to prove it! Look NOT robots, see everything is true what we say, damn...I need a drink!....Eugene!!!....where the hell are you??

    31. Creator Maurice Burgmans on February 12

      @d4v33edz:

      Eugene Avalanche, or E.A. for short.
      That sounds perfect.
      You do not infringe on any copyrights because there are dots between the letters.

    32. Creator nashathedog on February 12

      @Avalanche, You forgot the small print, " Honesty not guaranteed" That will be available for an additional 2k as long as you sign a non-disclosure form.

    33. Creator nashathedog on February 11

      Damn, d4v33edz's already posted the link.

      Never mind, That's the best quote in there.

    34. Creator nashathedog on February 11

      QUOTE"GSC's Yeltyshev all but dismisses West Games, saying that the team has neither the expertise, nor the permission, to make a STALKER game.

      "We started to develop a Flash-based, a web-based STALKER before 2011," Yeltshev said. "An isometric, open-world STALKER. And that was these guys [that make up the core of West Games]. When we realized that this project would not be as good as we wanted it to be, we closed the project."

      "They are trying to steal money from people with this crowdfunding website. With Kickstarter first ... and now they are using some weird, other platform. Who is so stupid as to give them money? These guys do not even have an adequate team to make a game half as big as the original STALKER, let alone a full game.""

      http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/10/8015005/gsc-game-world-says-it-will-defend-the-stalker-franchise-plans-to

    35. Creator d4v33edz on February 11

      Avalanche, you have got the right idea with all of this, the Eugene issue is easily solved, you become Eugene Avalanche, bingo!

      Also remember with each update you need to be promising some exciting news, which never gets materialised.

      Meanwhile on a separate note:

      http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/10/8015005/gsc-game-world-says-it-will-defend-the-stalker-franchise-plans-to

    36. Creator Avalanche on February 3

      Additional Tier:

      £10,000: I'll actually *answer* your pestering questions.

      :oD

    37. Creator Avalanche on February 3

      [Your replies made me laugh again :o) ]

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      I would curse at giving you the 'questions' idea, but if this were to ever actually go ahead, I'm pretty sure *someone* would think of it and sooner rather than later, so best, I think, to put it out there right from the start, so everyone knows where we'd stand. And *I* would stand, as already stated, in hell :oP

      "leaders"? Plural? I'd need to have more than one leader? Oh for cryi... how many leaders would I need?

      And "Eugenes" plural, as well?! What... oh... yeah, obviously I'd need as many Eugenes as possible. I'm with you on that one :oD

      @ d4v33edz

      Dollars? What sort of currency is that? It would be in Russian rubles. Or... no, wait... I mean pounds. Great Britain pounds. Yes, that's what I meant.

      I really like the idea of one Reward:

      £1: You are a Troll

      Those unfamiliar with it all, would probably be rather unhappy with such a Reward, but it amused me and that's what's important.

      Maybe a few extra Tiers* leading up to Cave Troll, but that seems a little too Hobbity again. Also, cave troll/stone troll? Which was in The Hobbit and which was in The Lord of the Rings? Was there really a difference? Which could become an issue of contention, then some idiot brings up the Olog-hai and posts a link to http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/16064/did-the-cave-trolls-turn-to-stone-when-the-shadows-lifted-from-mordor and things spiral further into the realms of unnecessary off topic and who needs that... ...

      What was I talking about again?

      I did think about concept art for the blog though. A rough sketch including some wavy lines vaguely representing text. Some boxes representing some sort of border arrangement. And a sketch logo of 'The Areal Kickstarter and Beyond Blog', which is still just text, but crucially: in a bigger font :o) Also, vehicles.

      * although a higher Tier would mean that it wasn't a troll pledge, but would still be a Troll Reward and that sort of paradox is the type of thing than can collapse a Universe. At least such a Campaign would have resulted in something *actually* happening, so I call it a solid Plan B.

    38. Creator d4v33edz on January 29

      Avalanche, this is all taking shape nicely. Now for some other minor things to consider:

      1. Reward system, as backed by pledge amount
      a. $1 - You are nothing more than 1, a troll. 2, a successful mod dev team with an axe to grind. 3, a member of some other game dev studio. You will be completely ignored and if we get fed up with you we will tell everyone.
      b. $2 - Not much better than above, try harder.
      c. $5 - Better, we might mention you in the game (but probably won't).
      d. $10 - More like it, have a free wallpaper of some unique concept art*.
      e. $20 - Now we are starting to get there, lots of wallpaper art for you and a mention in the game.
      f. $50 - Join us for lunch, have a statue of your image in the game.
      g. $100 - We love you, you are the game, yes we will name the game after you, plus lunch and coffee after.
      h. $200 - How much??!!! - All our children will be named after you. We will build a shrine in your honour etc, etc.

      * Concept Art Avalanche, the most important update weapon in your armoury, 1st stretch goal - a new set of crayons and paper.

      I think this will float.

    39. Creator Maurice Burgmans on January 29

      @Avalanche:
      Us asking all kinds of difficult questions about your blog?
      I actually didn't think of it but it's a great idea you have there =p.
      I could go on all day about your blog's translation costs, which world leaders gave you support, the amount of Eugenes you need to collaborate with, if you are really able to think of a new name with the amount of money you ask in your stretch goal...

    40. Creator Avalanche on January 27

      I've got it:

      Stretch Goal:- Come up with a better name for the Blog

      Sorted.

      :oD

    41. Creator Avalanche on January 27

      @ d4v33edz

      Hey. You're back :o)

      I've no idea how many people would back, but it's rather sad that writing about a venture might get more support that the venture itself.

      S..Ta.L.k..eR .aP.OC.ol..yP.Se* was at $15926 and now's at $16026, so a single $100 bet/pledge? (288 backers now and I think it was at 287.) Some poor soul *may* have actually donated, but apart from that I couldn't see any other changes. Although, this time I didn't look through the sections to see if anything was new. So yes, it seems dead. The other front page projects seemed to be unchanged as well.

      * since West Games couldn't decide if it was Stalker, STALKER or the not-at-all-subtle rivets in the STALKER logo to produce 'S.T.A.L.K.E.R.-but-not-really-no-honest-so-please-don't-sue-us', I tried to cover all eventualities :o) I think it works.

      @ Ahmad Khan

      After you posted, I actually considered it, but sooo many reasons made me think not to. I actually laughed out loud when I thought that if I did, you guys would pledge and just make my life hell asking what experience I had; for examples of my writing; where my blog would be hosted; why I don't already have a blog; for a bloody budget breakdown; on and on :oD

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      Ohhhh, not you as well ;oP People are *voting* now for me to do work? Although, it would be *paid* work.

      In all seriousness, I would actually find it an interesting thing to do. No, really. Not joking. The sequence of events that took place, how far things went and then everything we've been talking about afterwards is rather compelling to me. For a start, we're still here. So I would actually look at it as a... somewhat light hearted, but also serious/detailed account of what went on.

      The thing is, I very much doubt it would have any real appeal outside of a few of us here chewing the fat. Other reasons as well. like if I was even capable of doing it.

      Having said that :o) the way this has all happened and the very fact that we were *just* talking about not being surprised by a West Games return, *if* they did return, then... well... I think I would be compelled to run an actual side-by-side Campaign. I quite like:

      'The Areal Kickstarter and Beyond Blog'

      Still room for improvement. Since it would be a return to Kickstarter for West Games:

      'Areal - There and Back Again'?

      Bit too Hobbity :o) Meh, I'll probably keep thinking about it...

    42. Creator Ahmad Khan on January 27

      Maurice Burgmans: haha one more up vote!

    43. Creator Maurice Burgmans on January 27

      I vote for Avalanche starting the KS too =p

    44. Creator Ahmad Khan on January 25

      @Avalanche: start the KS, really do It!
      @d4v33edz: welcome back mate!

    45. Creator d4v33edz on January 25

      aid!!??? I meant said, I must get into the habit of checking my post before pressing "Post comment". :/

    46. Creator d4v33edz on January 25

      @Avalanche, you would probably end up with more backers. The WWF seems to be heading up a dead-end street and with GSC looking to get back into business then that's another pin for their bubble.
      Will they try and come back again? Well, they are (as Ahmad has aid), a gift that keeps giving.

    47. Creator Avalanche on January 25

      @ Ahmad Khan

      Thanks. I think. Actually, that sounds suspiciously like work again. And what did we *just* talk about regarding that. Look, here's the link to remind you:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1577656602/areal/comments…

      ;oP

      Although having said that, your suggestion did make me think about starting a Kickstarrter, to support the blog, about the Areal Kickstarter. Which amused me :o) The Campaign alone would be hilarious.

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      A part of me thinks you were joking, but then "it wouldn't be too surprising" takes far greater precedence :o) They started their own crowd funding site for crying out loud and I did not, in any way, think of *that* as a possibility, so... yeah... it wouldn't surprise me either.

      If they did come back and it ran side-by-side with my 'The Areal Kickstarter and Beyond Blog' Campaign, it would surely be a sight to behold :o)

    48. Creator Maurice Burgmans on January 21

      @Avalanche:
      Or maybe they logged in to start up yet another kickstarter project. After project tool and now Areal it wouldn't be too surprising if they came with a 3rd one.

    49. Creator Ahmad Khan on January 20

      @Maurice Burgmans: hahah!
      @Avalanche: seriously dude you should start a blog for this, this is gold!

    50. Creator Avalanche on January 20

      @ Maurice Burgmans

      Proof? What proof? :oD

      @ Ahmad Khan (general ramblings to follow - no change there)

      I got the impression that the West Games account on Kickstarter was far less to do with Leonid Kovtun and more to do with those in Ukraine. Leonid Kovtun was a convenient bank account, in a county (one out of five) that Kickstarter allowed money to be sent to. I have no idea, but I wouldn't think that the person logging in would be Leonid Kovtun. It could also be more than one person with the password. Obviously breaching Kickstarter Terms, but I think we can all agree that was never really a problem with West Games. So it could be any number of people.

      Odd to actually log in though. One doesn't need to log in to read Comments and no comment has been made since June 20th 2014 ( https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/1577656602/comments ), so why log in at all? Maybe not odd though. Change profile details? Access messages? But then, the West Games account has just the one created Project, that as I understand it, they can no longer post in anyway, as the Project was cancelled by Kickstarter and I would have thought West Games would have been done with any serious dealings with Kickstarter a long time ago, so... I don't know. They do have one backed Project, so maybe it was something to do with that. Maybe I'm making more of this than it really is.

      But then :o) your point would still stand that *someone* from the whole debarkle still comes here, but I figured that would be likely. Not necessarily often, but someone was bound to show up here and there, if only to see if and what was happening. Maybe someone logged in to let us know they are still about...

      *dun dun duuuuuuun*

      :o)

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