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50% ART, 50% GAME, 100% DICE!
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Final Update

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Dear Backers,

It has been a long journey since the conception of these unique custom dice in my kitchen and since we launched this Kickstarter campaign through which, together, we tried to get these dice manufactured on a broader scale.

Thanks to you, we were able to redesign the game in 3D printing; develop it in China; simplify the dice and the rules to make a better product; reproduce the prototypes; propose the game to several game publishers of the world's most famous toys; and showcase the game at the most prestigious game fairs in the U.S., all in a continuous effort to launch the project in defiance of all the bumps on the road.

I hoped to come back to you with good news -- a signed contract for the publication of the game and the joy of finally bringing it to you and to the world, but Dice Age did not make it to this stage. Despite all of our efforts, this project didn't come to life. As hard as it is to do, it is time to acknowledge this and to move on. I am proud of all that we were able to accomplish together, and I want to thank all of you guys for having believed in this Kickstarter project. I am forever grateful for your faith and patience.

I also want to encourage those who backed this project as their first and/or only Kickstarter project to keep your faith and continue to support other projects that you believe in. The overwhelming majority of projects and startups such as this one never come to fruition, but this risk is inherent any time we endeavor to contribute something positive to the world. So many of the inventions that we enjoy today and take for granted were created by people who experienced fits and slow starts. Their projects haven't always been successful, but pushing forward and continuing to dream and to create despite setbacks -- that's how greatness is achieved. Stephen King didn't get his first book published until after he received dozens of rejection letters, and as we know he's gone on to become one of the world's most successful writers. So it is important and essential to stay positive and to keep inventing, dreaming, creating, and investing in big ideas.

Thank you to all of you and may this new year bring the best to you.

Onward,

Tristan Convert

Martin Appleton, LUCA SHERMAN, and 3 more people like this update.

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    1. H Lynnea
      Superbacker
      on

      @James McIlhargey - if you don't mind, and you are able to create 3D printing files from the proto set, would you please post a link to them here?

      Also, for those who think Tristian didn't have files for his dice? He's got a dozen of the designs on Shapeways: http://www.shapeways.com/designer/t_convert… So, certainly he has the files for at least *some* of his dice.

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      Robert Blake on

      @James Mcilhargey - I just sent you an email.

    3. Missing avatar

      James McIlhargey on

      @Robert Blake Since I can't seem to message you through Kickstarter, shoot me a msg at james.g.mcilhargey at gmail - I can send you the postage to send me the dice.

    4. TRV
      Superbacker
      on

      I have two of the proto sets of these dice if anyone wants them. I will send them out if you pay shipping. They are an entertaining novelty but there is really no game here. Contact me at novaprimegaatgmaildotcom. First come first served.

    5. Missing avatar

      David Denton on

      Tristan.

      I respectfully ask if you Kickstart anything again, you use your real name. I will not back a project of yours again.

      Onward and outward.

      Dave "daveroswell" Denton

      Use my 25 dollars towards a community college business course.

    6. Gee Barger on

      On a related note, this http://geeb.us/rattlebones is a very interesting dice game I just picked up. Pretty clever mechanics, if a bit fiddly with prying off the sides of the dice to replace them. Thought people who were interested in Dice Age might like it.

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      Robert Blake on

      @James McIlhargey - I have a copy of the dice, funded at the $50 level. My wife and I are never going to use them. If you or anyone else has 3d scanning tech, let me know and I'll mail you my set.

      I'd be really surprised if Tristan has STL files for the dice. Ours feel as if the were sculpted and homemade. We never could figure out how to play it.

    8. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      https://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php…

      Looks like he has an account on shapeways, if you would like to try to contact him there, as well.

    9. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      Since he is not responding on Kickstarter, it's nice of him to give us a "Contact" form:
      http://www.tristanconvert.com/…

      I'm trying to get a hold of him that way. Feel free to join me.

    10. Peter Vigeant on

      It's frustrating that unlike some other troubled projects, Tristan never really accounted for all of the funds publicly. I fear that we all funded one of his other creative endeavors (http://www.tristanconvert.com/) from this "Jack of all trades and master of many."

    11. Gee Barger on

      The Terms of Use give the creator some pretty valid options in lieu of refunds.

      "There may be changes or delays, and there’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised."

      I'd say Dice Age falls under this part.

      "If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:

      they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;"

      We haven't seen this.

      "they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;"

      Nope.

      "they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;"

      Again, we haven't seen this.

      "they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers;"

      One could argue that there have been some misrepresentations in communications.

      "and they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form."

      I think it's safe to assume that the money is gone. As others have stated, getting the 3d printable files would at least be a show of good faith...Releasing the die designs under creative commons copyright would also be worthwhile, heck, even plans for papercraft die or a PDF of the card game that spawned Dice Age would be something.

      That said...here's the problem:
      "The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."

      Legal action is expensive, and Kickstarter isn't going to really be helpful here. Essentially we have someone who has violated the terms of use, so Tristan won't be able to create another project or anything like that, but aside from financial recuperation, that's up to the individual backers to pursue.

      Like with many other backers, I didn't receive anything from this, and to be honest, I doubt Tristan is even reading comments here anymore, so we probably won't get anything, which is too bad really.

    12. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      @Eddie check those terms of use again. The creator owes refunds if they don't deliver the goods.

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      James McIlhargey on

      Tristan, since you have declared this project over for you, will you give permission for those of us with 3d scanners and the technology to produce non-commercial 3d files for others to print out and enjoy?

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      EddieSpaghetty on

      Seriously? Who thinks the guy has gone with 34k? I am pretty sure he has lost some money. Like about all Kickstarter projects on board games I have been backing, when the game shows up. Either the timing is not good, either the game is not that good; But in any case, you'll generaly find the game in your local store for a better price that what you've paid (I leave in a small french town).

      I think Tristan is just a poor project manager. And that is not very good with communication.
      This is it...

      No more time to spend on this (for 50$????).

      Kickstarter does not refound have a look on terms of use :D

    15. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      I wonder if Tristan V Convert has cut and run now. He is not responding to the Contact Me button, or comments here, and he *DID* ominously call this the 'Final' update...

      I think I need to start me a Kickstarter project. I could use a new car...

    16. Tor de Vries on

      I've nothing to add to all the previous comments except another vote in support of releasing the 3D files for us to print ourselves.

    17. Matt and Nykki Boersma
      Superbacker
      on

      I'd also like to see the rules/3D files for the dice released to backers (or generally). Would at least let us play the game.

    18. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      I just got a refund on the abandoned "HP Lovecraft's Wonderland" project, and several other projects have given refunds without lawsuits -- it's worth giving him a chance to do the right thing.

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      Tyler Cushing on

      Just a heads up for some of those who are looking for a refund. To date, I've never received a refund on a failed project and have no belief this will occur here. I'd love it if I was wrong, but I have a feeling we will not be getting any money back...and no 3D files...even though it could be easily argued that we should at least have access to those. Sigh.

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      Steve Max on

      I'll take a refund or my product, please.
      On top of that I'd like to see all rules (most up to date version) & files for potential 3-d printing released to the general public under a clearly defined license.
      Where are the 3 items (molds, masters, first 2k units) that the original $10k was supposed to pay for? After that, I'd hope that ~$24k would be enough to at least fulfill the remaining backer pledges. Especially since the FAQ,says the first $10k was to:
      "have enough game to face a first demand, distribute it to retailers, and maybe present it to bigger game publishers". You raised 3 times the initial amount. How are there not dice (and bags, and rule-books) for the 526 backers?

    21. Marco Arnaudo on

      sorry this project didn't work. When and how are we going to be refunded? I understand many authors don't get published at their first try, but the readers sure don't lose money because of that.

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      Tyler Cushing on

      Share the 3D printing files. Feel free to limit the license of them as you see fit if there is some fear there. Either way, backers will get the game they backed and you just share what you already have. If that can't/won't be done, I think people would like to read/hear an explanation why.

    23. Missing avatar

      Eric Johnson
      Superbacker
      on

      Has anyone ever run a Kickstarter campaign to donate to a lawsuit to go after one of these deadbeats? I'd be willing to go in on a lawsuit to hire a lawyer and go into small claims court at minimum. That would require the deadbeat to retain a lawyer or try and defend themselves in court. A larger Kickstarter could maybe retain a lawyer to go after ALL the money including lawyers fees and whatever fees are needed to put leans on them locally. If there are any lawyers reading this...KS might be a good place to make some money going after these deadbeats.

    24. Bob Menzel on

      He's gonna be the asshat no matter what, mate.
      Enjoy your $34k that you stole from use you douche bag ~ may the rest of your pathetic life be as successful as this kickstarter was.

    25. Andy Simmons on

      This was the first Kickstarter project that I ever backed, but it was not the first one that I backed that failed. That honor goes to another game, The Doom That Came To Atlantic City, which also apparently met its end due to the project creator being completely irresponsible with the backing funds, and ultimately ending with the creator giving a similar "this isn't going to happen, and you aren't getting your money back" update.

      On the plus side, Cryptozoic Entertainment stepped in to scoop up the game assets and deliver a finished game to backers. Now, pay attention, because this is where you can come out looking like something other than a complete jackass, Tristan:

      If you make the 3D files available, someone more capable can print and sell the dice, or we can print them ourselves. I think the $34k that we've collectively paid you is more than fair compensation for you making the dice designs public domain.

      You'll probably never publish a game again regardless, but at least you can go down as the books as "the guy who created that public domain dice game", and not "that asshat who stole 34 grand through Kickstarter." Think about it.

    26. John Morrow
      Superbacker
      on

      From your letter:

      "I hoped to come back to you with good news -- a signed contract for the publication of the game and the joy of finally bringing it to you and to the world, but Dice Age did not make it to this stage."

      From the main page:

      "This kickstarter project is also a small market test and if it works, if you really want to help it, I will be able to release the next dice, the next colors, and develop the game as it should be: hundreds of different effects and thousands of different dice."

      This project was just to fund this "test market" of a physical game to the backers, not investing in a worldwide promotion that may or may not work. I know individuals who have received the game (one who tracked you down at a convention and got his copy). Obviously copies were made, copies were also sold. You received $34,134 (well over the 10K you requested) in 2011! You could have made the handmade sets for your backers during those YEARS.

      This project you are trying to brush off as "lessons learned" is one of shifting goals in which you never attempted to fulfill your original promise to the backers. I attempted to reach you by email and received no reply.

      Yes, this is a new year and you may think that we'll all get our collective anger out and this will be forgotten in short order. If you have any respect for the people who gave you $34K for a simple little dice game, you should make it your resolution to either produce the game as promised or start issuing refunds to those who didn't receive a copy.

    27. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      "it is quite obvious that a refund is out of the question" until we see accounting information, I feel I have to disagree with that statement. I have a hard time seeing where the money could have possibly *legitimately* been spent.

    28. Jamie on

      Dear Tristan,

      I like to think I'm part of the crowd who has been very patient about your project so far. We've spoke over email a little over a year ago when I asked for updates privately when you chose not to post any on Kickstarter as not to rile people up (paraphrasing your reasoning, not mine).

      With the news of the shutdown of the project, I think it's time for some serious transparency, especially for those of us like me who entrusted our money with you with the expectation of a successful project and never received our dice.

      By the sound of it, it is quite obvious that a refund is out of the question. However, it does not mean you have nothing to give us, those who invested in your idea.

      If you did create 3D printed files, those files need to be released on some sort of open source license to us backers. Our money helped fund those files. If we cannot have our dice, then it is only fair that we have the access to the files that could let us work towards printing our own dice. There are several failed video game Kickstarters than open-sourced their code, allowing their backers to complete the project themselves.

      We need a full transparent accounting of where our money went. It sounds like those of us who did not receive dice will never be receiving anything for our money. We at least deserve to know where the money went.

      If you are going to encourage us to keep backing other Kickstarter projects, then you need to work with us to show us that a failure can be executed in a transparent and positive manner. Packing up with a letter saying we've failed, we are very sorry is not the way to do it.

      I have a sent a copy of this open letter to your email, in hopes that you will read and respond to these recommendations as soon as possible.

      Regards,
      Jamie​ Tsui

    29. James Weeks on

      I'll add in to requesting the 3d files. As well as adding in to ozymandias' request for a layout of where the funds were spent, otherwise I will be demanding a refund or delivery of dice and consulting my lawyer.

      I'm very disappointed in the lack of communication, very unprofessional and disrespectful to those who at one point shared his vision for these dice.

    30. David Buschermohle on

      I'm also adding my voice to the request for the release of the 3D files.

      If you are truly "moving on" and abandoning this project, please release the files under a Creative Commons license so that backers at least have the option of printing their own. I understand that projects can fail, but there is no excuse for not releasing the complete 3D files as a last "good faith effort" to your backers at this point.

    31. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      Release the 3d files, and the rules/artwork under a Creative Commons license *AND* release and an accurate, complete accounting for where the $34,000 went, I also will waive my refund -- assuming the accounting is only for legitimate expenses, as laid out in the project description. Vacations don't count, since they are not listed in the project description.

    32. DivNull Productions
      Superbacker
      on

      I don't normally reply to posts like this one (and one look at my backer history will tell you that I've seen a bunch of them). But I'm adding my voice to the people requesting the release of the 3d printing files that you have. Release them all under a Creative Commons license and I'd consider the cash otherwise wasted on you to be at least spent for some public good.

    33. Jeff Nurkiewicz
      Superbacker
      on

      Well, I certainly didn't expect to see this load of honey covered BS in my inbox today. So, to be clear here you have declared failure here with absolutely no intention of ever providing any sort of restitution or compensation for all of the backers you have delivered nothing to? Nice way to dance around the fact that you are never fulfilling your *obligation* to your backers.

      Let me translate this post for you all in real tl;dr form.

      'Tristan has no intention of ever delivering any product to any of you that haven't gotten anything or making this right in any way or on any level - he has literally stolen from you.'

      You’re welcome.

      Tristan, I actually met you and played Dice Age at GenCon 2011. You instilled no confidence in me in your ability to ever see this through with any competence, and my gut feeling was right. But as long as he has "humbly declared failure", we should forgive and forget - ummmm, no. You are no Steven King, so please spare us the Jack Kennedy type comparisons Mr. Quayle.

      This project actually taught me a valuable lesson about KickStarter - that there are truly dishonorable people that will have no issue with the fact that they have taken your money based on false promise masked as good "intentions". Take comfort in the "Feel Good" I'm trying to lay on you here Tristan when I say that you and your project have kept me from backing at least a half a dozen other projects I probably would have over the years. You have not only stolen my money from me, literally, but you have also taken money out of other's pocket as well as I now double question and triple scrutinize every designer and KS project - and the lesson is that I *should* have started that with you.

      And Tristan a note to you. Understand, it’s not that you have failed. People fail all the time. It’s that you’re trying to white wash this all away with an "oops" and are making NO effort to make this right on ANY level, and that IS inexcusable and reprehensible. Since you have made zero effort to provide ANY sort of resolution here and I even consider your apology hollow, I will forever warn anyone and everyone I can of ever giving you any money or trusting any project connected to you. I consider myself pretty jacked in to what is going on anywhere and everywhere in the Board Game world. If you try to involve yourself in another project (or, worse yet, another KickStarter) I will be there to tell everyone and anyone my story - and also pointing out that there are HUNDREDS more of us with the exact same story.

      The Board Game well is poisoned for you Tristan - and you did it.

    34. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      @Jameus -- my problem is that there are several backer updates - this one included, that seem to imply that the money was *NOT* used for the things on the project description, but rather for the creator to attend gaming conventions.

      It's one thing to try, and fail -- and another to take the money and use it for an entirely different purpose. These updates make it look like we simply funded several entertaining vacations.

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      Jameus
      Superbacker
      on

      I would like to add myself to the list of people to get a refund. The fact that some product was sent to backers and product was being sold on his website makes this stink of fraud.

    36. Candice Bailey
      Superbacker
      on

      So... let me get this straight. Some backers got their dice. Most backers (myself included) did not. This final update is pretty much spitting in the face of those backers who didn't get their dice. I've been amazingly patient, always thinking that one day, EVENTUALLY, my pledged dice would arrive. Yeah, I'd like my $50 back, please. And a breakdown of where that money went!

    37. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      @David Hoffman that's basically how I am reading it, too. According to this, the money never got spent, since it was allocated for "The building of the first 23 masters costs 3000, the mold carving costs 3600, the casting of the first copies is 2000, the rest goes in packing and shipping, from factory and to customers, pouch manufacture and printing, and rulebooks printing."

      Since *none* of that got done, there should at least be that $10,000 set aside -- especially since this was not a Kickstarter project to fund his vacations to conferences, he really has had no costs so far...

    38. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      Again, what is the plan for refunds? Also, other failing Kickstarter projects have posted a breakdown of where the money went -- when will that be posted? It should not be terribly hard to provide a breakdown for $34,000.

    39. Lost Colonies Larp on

      I am very disappointed in this, the only Kickstarter out of 50 that I have backed that flopped. I'll take my refund now so that I can send it on to other Kickstarters who treat their supporters with more honesty and respect.

    40. David Hoffman
      Superbacker
      on

      You know, reading this update I actually did a double-take. The tone feels sort of . . . triumphant. That's incompatible with the (slightly obscured, IMO) message of, "You're never, ever getting the dice you paid for."

      Which, well, that's been my assumption for a long, long time.

      That project money was not used -- as originally detailed -- to develop and produce dice and was, instead, used to court actual game companies to get them to do it . . . that's confusing. Haven't these dice been for sale online for some time now? Wasn't there a survey sent out a while back asking if we NEEDED our dice now or if we'd be willing to wait?

      I've been willing to wait. Now I guess nothing's happening. It seems like Tristan is just tired of trying?

      Oh well. Another failed Kickstarter. So it goes.

    41. TRV
      Superbacker
      on

      So as I read this, basically the money was spent going to conventions and promotion. That's absurd. Well, that's a lesson learned for me. This was my first serious investment in a Kickstarter game. Between this and a half a dozen others, I am pretty well done with Kickstarter. Even the larger supposedly "established" companies have been falling on their face on Kickstarter. This is the final nail in the coffin for me.

    42. John Peterson
      Superbacker
      on

      Seems like $34,000+ is a lot of money to blow, but I guess since it was our money, it isn't as big of a deal.

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      JR Parsons on

      Seems strange to me that T.C. pitched a game he hadn't built yet to us, then spent our time (and possibly our money) pitching the game he hadn't built yet to game publishers. The fact that they didn't get on board isn't that surprising to me... but the fact that T.C. also required them to pitch in to make this whole scheme workable is a fact that I was not aware of, and I certainly wouldn't have signed on if I'd known.

      I'm a lot more gun-shy about manufacturing-related Kickstarters now.

    44. J. Cranfill on

      Well, I'm glad you finally manned up and sent out communication admitting that you can't complete the project. I only wish it had happened much sooner, since it was obvious to me 2 years ago that I'd never see my dice.

      This was one of the first 5 projects I ever backed on KS. I've since backed dozens and this is the only one that's failed me. Such a shame, but it's part of the risk I know I'm taking here on KS (so stop whining and expecting refunds, it's part of the deal when you back on KS, you might never see a thing).

    45. Margot V. on

      Like Martin said- if you're truly giving up, release the files and some of us will go print them ourselves!
      Yup, it's a $100 loss. I know kickstarters are a risk and I'd be ok with that in this case but for the fact that there are some people here who actually got their orders filled. So let's have the files and call it even, ok?

    46. Oregon Pinkrose on

      My very first Kickstarter ended up being a bust.
      I have lost $50 with nothing to show for it.
      What's more sad is that I have to be more wary of other projects for fear that I may lose more.
      This project was not run properly and I hope you are able to understand how disappointing some of your backers are.
      Promise less. Deliver more. Communicate better.
      Good luck.

    47. ozymandias (ZionEyez,CGC Scam victim)
      Superbacker
      on

      How will refunds be handled?

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      Martin Appleton on

      Wow, it took you over a year to write this?

      You know what Tristan, if you have the 3d printed files for this, release them to all the backers that don't have their dice (which includes me) so that they can create their own if they want to.

      There are plenty of 3d printing labs out there, so for those that still have an interest in getting something for their money that you frittered away, there is still an option.

      I know that none of us will ever get a refund from this project, but you should make a good effort to deliver something that we can use.

    49. Lisandro Gaertner on

      It is not fair. What about the people that never got the dice? Why some people got and some, like myself, didn't. Man, you gotta learn a lot about business ethics...