by Tristan V Convert
Just spell "Dice" with a "y" and a silent 'q".
Just a tidbit of information that may prove useful: in the game industry there is at least one precedent of Ice Age being used to market a CCG. In 1995, Wizard of the Coast published a Magic the Gathering expansion named "Ice Age".
Don't let the big guy push you around!
Agree with Mattia. I was going to point out the exact same thing.
I better rethink the name of my new collectible rodent throwing game!
How ridiculous. Good luck in your fight.
And of course now I will too have to reconsider the name for the game I was designing in which tiny human parasites seek to survive (and escape) their prison.
They should be ashamed of themselves. I'm just glad we have such a "free" market to fall back on. Oops.
The last thing I want is for this to become a frivolous legal hassle that bankrupts Dice Age.
Frozen water from a prehistoric era has nothing to do with specialty random number generators. This stinks of the Toys-R-Us bullying methodology. How bloody infuriating.
Toys-R-Us nothing, Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple (a company I otherwise like) have turned bullying small companies over patent/copyright/trademark infringement in a cash-cow. It's ridiculous and thoroughly infuriating. Fight 'em Tristan. I hope you win easily, and they waste a ton of money.
They fail on both parts: Even if you could trademark Ice Age (which shouldn't have been aloud in the first place; it's a well recognized scientific term), the fact that Ice Age would prevent Dice Age from being used......grrrr, It just makes me wanna scream.
Are they insane? Let's get this out to in the social media sphere. Mobilize the troops!
Ok, honestly. Who thought of the movie when meeting this game's name? Are we going so poor that cartoons are replacing scientific references?
Geeze. Guess I'm a huge geek, because when I first saw the name of this project, I thought of the different ages of Civilization (Stone, Bronze, Iron, &c.). I certainly never connected it with a cartoon.
There's no way Fox can trademark the name "Ice Age". And the logos look nothing alike, so there's no infringement there. This is just a waste of their lawyers' time.
Are you kidding me? NEVER occurred to me. Fight the stupidity of Corporate America (but don't go broke doing it - I want my dice :-)
I just asked my dad (who has many years of experience in patent and trademark law), and he suggests reasoning with FOX would be easier than lawyering up and 'fighting'. If you email me, he said he could give you some advice on how to handle this. *Note: He is not a practicing attorney, but can point you in the right direction.
Maybe these guys should send Fox an email about infringement.
Easy, FOX is only a potential opposer today. I suppose it's about Ice Age, they want to look up if it can interfere with their toys I guess. I don't think there are Ice Age the movie yogurts ^^
Or did you mean the advertisement on the page? It seems its linked to this page...
A little browsing on http://tess2.uspto.gov/ revealed 15 different LIVE trademarks with text "ICE AGE". 12 were Fox. 10 others are "ICE AGE CONTENTAL DRIFT". Several of Fox's "ICE AGE" trademarks are dead. Someone has a live 1995 "ICE AGE" trademark (bottled water etc ...).
Maybe Fox thinks you conflict with "non-Christmas ornaments made of plaster, plastic, wax or wood" or "party ornaments of plastic" in 85342740. Of course, they apparently filed for that one in June of this year. (Which may mean that, if Fox considers that to be a goods and service match, then maybe you should oppose theirs. [I am not a lawyer.])
Welcome to America, we don't want anyone to come up with anything. That said, I'd see what they do, but if they really don't like it, maybe you could just change the name to something else? I know it sucks, but Fox will bring a ton of money against little guys if they feel the need to.
And so the malarky begins... Next thing you'll need to be weary of is Steve J*****n.
How ludicrously childish of a huge corporation. I'm honestly ashamed that there are people like this on our little rock. (There are worse people out there, but its still sad.)
Go big think of the free publicity they'll give you!
Go get 'em!!!
This is ridiculous. You might want to point out that, in the gaming industry, Wizards of the Coast used ICE AGE (and not DICE AGE but actually ICE AGE) as the name of an early expansion (1995) of its famous Magic the Gathering trading-card-game... so maybe WOTC should sue 20th century fox for later calling their movie like that ?!
THEY'RE "HAS BEEN" : 20th Century Fox... it's 21th century now, hi hi!
Sadly, "ridiculous" has become the name of the game on many copyright issues. Shepard is right that trying to reason with them is a good first step, but if they were being reasonable they would not have filed as they did. So I hope 'ready to fight" means prepared to hire a lawyer with the relevant expertise. . .
@ Charlles Rubin, Well, yes. Fight the ridiculous.
@ GWAL, I don't care so much about the name. Can we find another one? Good game! C'mon here guys - and gals - PROPOSE NAMES FOR THIS GAME, this will provide some co(s)mic relief. Either here on in PM if you are shy.
But this doesn't mean I'll try my best to go on with Dice Age.
i vote for "Dice Mage". it's somewhat descriptive of the character of the player, and requires minimal change to the name (as i fear change).
p.s.: i'm only half serious, though to be honest i'm only half kidding as well. so i'm covered whether you like it or not.
HAHAHA I like it.
@ Jason Christopher Faught, you right spotted it, man.
After reading what Fox are up to, I think DICE RAGE would be appropriate! How arrogant are they to think they can copyright the words Ice Age just because of their sub par movies?!!! I can't imagine they have a leg to stand on with that one. Perhaps someone should tell them that foxes existed before they did too. Or perhaps they're already suing all the foxes till they change their name?
I think I bit off more than I could chew, but regardless, here are some alternate names that came to mind:
Grip of Titans
Facets of Might
Colored Fiddly Bits
Here is some more
OF DICE AND MEN
THE DICE IS RIGHT
Dice Age 2: The Meltdown or maybe Dice Age 3: Dawn of the Dinosaurs...
Ok just kidding, here are some real names:
Dice of the Deities
The Dice Ages
I like "The Dice Ages", it keeps alive the old name and is far enough from the "Ice Age" name (if they still fight for that, they would be really quibbling)
Otherwise I was thinking of
CONVERT DICE (as a little pun)
Actually the Convert Dice idea can be quite nice.
Of course it refers to the great creator of the game
but also to the fact that the Dice can be used for many games.
The many shapes of all Dice get along also well with this name.
The only problem is that it sounds a little too much like a collectible
game rather than a serious game.
I thought trademarks only could apply if there was a reasonable expectation of confusion. There is no risk of confusing a game played with new, and novel dice with a game themed after those crappy movies....
Pay enough and it will prove the point. The trademarks bureau approved the brand. The crappy movie owners don't seem to. I figured come on, I'd do the same; but actually I didn't, as I live with Dice Age Games in peace.
It may be cheaper to find a new name before everything is printed or the game is too much known. But what can then prevent them from suing Dice Ace for example? I don't know. The best thing is to ask the benediction of those monarchs-over-the-law before we file another name. If they deign answer us!
I'd say register the trademark as "Tristan V. Convert's Dice Age" and then print on the box your name very small and then Dice Age really big.
The Great Dice Age
The Age of Dice
A few of my suggestions:
order of chaos
Shape of Fate
Edad de dados? Doyce Age? Dice Dice baby? Xtreme Dice!?
To have more troubles with studios ...
Live and let dice !
I find myself rather partial to Diceage, as in, you got some Diceage, man! Or, thats some mean Diceage!
But for a more serious suggestion, how about calling them Sculpturehedrons? Hmm, Sculptyhedrons? Neat!
Glad you were open about the name of the game! I personally like THE CROWN OF GODS. Or even DICE OF THE DEITIES. And yes, we all want to see this game made, we won't let the big guys crush this one it seems, which is awesome. Drooling over those alphas, can't wait to have a fist full of them! Keep up the good work man!
Now, let's Vote. Pick up your favorite answer and post it here!
Convert Dice has my vote.
Please vote on the forum: http://diceagegame.lefora.com/2011/08/23/new-dice-age-potential-name-poll/
Thank you all for those propositions. Some of them really kick a**. We found a way to keep dice Age, as you know. Is this just luck?