Frequently Asked Questions
We see this as a critical issue that we won't compromise on.
ALL the editions and expansions WILL match-up.
Meaning, for example...
The 1st edition Event Cards have the same card-backs as the 2nd Edition card-backs. The same goes for the following expansionary items: Mad Men, Rocket Launcher, and Rioting Gangs.
This will hold true for ALL aspects of the game, not JUST the Event Deck.Last updated:
As for the New Event Deck, it is like a bomb that could explode in our hands if not treated carefully.
Let me explain...
First let me say sorry that this answer is so long. Also I want to mention that this is an issue we have been working on for a long time and one that we take very seriously.
Now for the shocking news…
We might have to produce entire games just to give people the event deck!
I'm sure we can all agree that this is not a good approach (wasteful and expensive).
The factory does not want to do short print runs or to complicate productions, so they basically price it out of being possible to do. We have a few ideas for how this could be done, but as of now we have been unable to get them to agree to these.
They want to see at least 1,000 units in order to do this.
As soon as you hear this, and considering that only 2,500 people have the game, you would likely begin to think that the idea of us moving 1,000 units of a purely aesthetic item is not very likely.
What is likely might be that, if we made these cards available at $19 per deck, that we would ultimately get 100 people to buy (best guess), thus if we pursued this deck as a product that we want to offer our fans, we would generate $1,900 in revenue, but what about the costs associated? Let’s take a look…
We have 4 choices (that I can see):
1. PRINT 1,000: We could do this, and let’s say our cost (all things considered) would be $5,000 - $1,900 = $3,100 loss.
2. PRINT NONE: Meaning that we would offer the product for sale, but print none. This means that we are breaking into a shrink-wrapped copy of Police Precinct each time we want to sell a deck to someone, Let’s say our cost all-in is $23 each x 100 = $2,300 - $1,900 = $400 loss.
3. DON'T OFFER IT: $0 loss.
4. NEGOTIATE: Yes, we are trying to negotiate with them to move toward a better solution (drop the high minimum to something more reasonable, etc.). No luck so far, but I will keep trying.
CATCH-22: When I have discussed this with fans of the game, they have described it as “The Ultimate dilemma” or as “a real catch-22”. I agree, and please know that this is the sort of thing that is going on in the background ALL-THE-TIME, and with all sorts of things.
KICKSTARTER: There are not too many systems that would work as well as Kickstarter (none that I know of) for solving this dilemma. Keep in mind that before we launch a Kickstarter for this, we would likely go to some efforts to try to judge how many people would actually do this, and how people would receive it. This might involve a thread on BGG, or possibly a pole (on BGG). If this resulted in a clear message about how strongly this is desired and that the quantity of people who want this is great enough (enough people actually posted in the thread that “yes” they do want this and would back it). The best time to run this is after the 2nd Edition Kickstarter is over and funded, but BEFORE it is actually printed. Maybe we would set the goal at break even or something, which would be a little under 300 (remember KS takes about 10% in fees)
TWO-SIDED BOARD: I mention this potential item because it is possible that we will be doing that for the 2nd edition. What if we did that, and there were a bunch of other really cool improvements to the game, at what point does it just make more sense to go ahead and get the 2nd edition?
DO THE MATH: Let's say you could sell your 1st Edition copy for $10 (that seems very low, but let's use it). Then you spent $19 to get this deck. Now you are up to $29. Then let's say we sold the cool new Crime Track for $5, and you wanted the awesome Revised rulebook (which we are selling for half price now), so $6. Now you are up to $40, and you see all the other changes (and you want them) so why not just pick up the whole 2nd edition? It's only $50.
NOW TO THE ANSWER: Though the answer is implied at this point, let's actually discuss it. If we offered the Event Deck in this Kickstarter, it would likely not be noticed by many and sales would be low, let's say 100 decks. Well we all know the numbers on 100 decks don't crunch out too well. This would be too bad for CMG, because there would be no way out of the dilemma at that point (we MUST deliver). On the other hand, if we offered it as a completely separate Kickstarter, then it might get a lot more notice (and be more likely to succeed), AND if we don't reach the funding goal then this potential bomb does not blow up. At that point, fans have a choice of sticking with their current Event Deck or getting the 2nd edition if they really want the new Event Deck.
BLANK & NAKED CARDS: Tom H (one of the backers over at The Heat KS) just gave me a great idea. He suggested having some extra blank cards so that YOU can make your own Event Cards (like we did with the Unknown Circumstances Tokens). This is a really fun idea! I'm thinking that if we end up moving forward with this Kickstarter, this alone might be enough to get the funding level where we need it. The other thought is that we could add a new card or two as bonus items (The Naked Guy Card or something like that). Just thinking out-loud here.
The answer to that is...
but that is a very complicated issue, and to get an idea you can read the FAQ on the topic of...
Offering the new Event Deck as a separate item via this Kickstarter (see other FAQ question).
After reading that, you will see just how tricky this can be.
You will also realize that if this is possible to do, that it will happen after the Kickstarter is over and also after the files are complete and submitted to the factory for production.
For a variety of reasons...
The 2nd Edition Board being available to 1st Edition owners to purchase is somewhat MORE likely than the Revised Event Deck (we have more production options that might make this possible).
We do hold out great optimism that this WILL happen!
In BOTH cases.
If so, it will likely be something that is available for purchase via the Pre-Release (well after the Kickstarter and before the Street Date).
If it works out that we can do this, then there is another question to ponder, which is...
If the board is different, and so are the Event Cards and...
The Crime Track, the Murder Investigation Board, the Loyalty Deck, etc etc.
At what point would you just get the 2nd Edition?
Paying for all of the items that have changed might come close to paying for everything except the dice, but maybe we will change the dice too!
Keep in mind that...
Each person's answer to this might be different.
So, how does CMG figure out what the demand is (thus how many to make)?
The bottom line is that we have always in the past, do now, and will in the future...
Factor in the needs of the 1st Edition owners. I have a personal bias that pushes me to value the needs of you-all at an extremely high level because none of this would be possible without you!
We will do our best to pull something off.
And if we can do it, then we will try to get the word out via Kickstarter Updates (all three Kickstarters), and BGG, etc.
This means that you might hear an announcement from us (hopefully before the Street Date) describing what options you do have, and we might be able to get you everything you want!
One more thing, a comment came from one of our great backers (he has actually backer ALL THREE of our Kickstarters so far), and even though I quoted him in the news (you may have seen) I thought his words were so powerful and so very to the point about this subject, that I had to put them here.
OK, take it away...
After going back and forth on the subject for many weeks, I decided to join the campaign.
I already own 1st edition and currently play with the Rioting Gangs expansion - having plenty of fun.
But I will eventually need the new board and updated cards, so why not support the game directly!
Looking forward to seeing the improvements later this year :)"Last updated:
No, this is an expansion idea for down the road.
The 2nd Edition will have all the same components as the 1st.
We want to keep at the same MSRP, so we plan to keep the component list the same with nothing extra.
The only thing we are even considering that is slightly new or expanded is the idea of possibly doing a 2-sided board.
For more about this, go to the BGG conversation on "The Board"...
The only "no" item we can really think of is the 6th Mad Men Card.
The Deck comes with 6 cards, BUT...
We are committed to not giving out all 6 at one time to anyone.
This is a promise we made to the 1st Edition Kickstarter backers way "back-in-the-day".
We are happy to keep this promise, and very serious about doing so.
That is the only thing we can think of.
We DON'T do this for all of our Kickstarters, but...
With This particular campaign, we are using Kickstarter as a tool to involve the fan base in the creative process. We wanted a long campaign so that there could be a sense of interaction between the creator (Ole & CMG) and the folks who would ultimately use the creation (YOU). We like to blur the line between "you" and "us" as much as we can (when it makes sense to do so).
We like to involve the fan-base in the creative process.
We feel like this campaign is a perfect fit for this approach!
I'm not sure of all the changes that will happen with the game, or how long it will take (exactly) to get to a finished product. This is true partly because when you get a group of people involved in a creative process, it can take you to places you weren't expecting.
If it's done in a positive way and with an open mind, these journeys tend to be quite fun.
I hope YOU join us on this one!
The two main thoughts we have on this "speed" subject are...
1. As I am trying to imply, "we don't want to rush the creative process."
2. We would rather surprise you with faster than expected deliveries of your rewards, rather than the opposite.
I predict that regardless of forecasts, this project will be similar to the average Kickstarter (for a boardgame), in terms of actual duration.Last updated:
If a backer of this project selects a level that will get them an English version of the 2nd Edition, and this is what they want, BUT...
Later (before the 2nd Edition is ready to ship) it becomes known to that backer that a German version will come be coming out, then...
Can that backer switch to the German Version?
The answer is...
Let's discuss the parameters of this...
The backer will either get a German Version or, if the German version costs more than the amount pledged, then the backer will receive this amount in credit toward a German Version.
The backer will receive the English version as planned unless they take action as follows...
They must notify CMG at least 10 days prior to CMG shipping out copies of the games to the New York Forwarder for BNW.
CMG is not responsible for notifying any backers of any particular news about the German version's development progress (though we will likely do this anyway from time to time).
There is no guarantee that a German Version will ever be published (only a likelihood).
If a backer gives this notification to CMG, and the German version is not ready yet, then they will be put "On-Hold" for the time being. This means that, they will need to wait for the German Version to be ready. They have the right to grow tired of waiting, and can demand a refund if they so choose, but the refund will be for 70% of the amount they pledged on Kickstarter (this is to compensate for the KS fees and high degree of handling between CMG and S-V that this scenario will involve), and will be paid via Paypal.
Also, if that backer had selected to get a Package Deal (receive a Kit also), there will be extra charges for delivery of this Kit (due to the fact that the German version will not ship at the same time or from the same place as the Kit, as would be the case with the English version).Last updated:
After-all they (and others) are right in Europe!
Is this fair?
The answer is...
It is unfortunate, and NOT something that we are happy about, but...
It does make sense.
Shipping inside the EU is MUCH less expensive and going outside (even if it's just such a short distance) is expensive and requires extra paperwork and handling.
The other issue is that we already have so many regions (USA, Canada, EU, Australia, World-wide) that anymore would add to everyone's costs. Meaning that the complexity of the fulfillment process increases, which adds unseen costs, which means that ALL the pledge levels would need to be raised to compensate for this.
To be perfectly fair to all regions of the world, there really should be about 20 or more shipping zones, but we have to draw the line at some point.
The good news for Europeans who are not a part of the EU can be summed up in one word...
Unlike others (Australians, etc.), you can take a short train ride and land in "Game Heaven!"
We hope that this particular project will move along faster than expected (we do have reason for optimism in this area), and that you WILL be able to pick up a copy of the game at Essen. Hopefully the Kickstarter backers can do this, and even (hopefully) so to can the general public.
So, at least you have that option, and in that sense are very lucky.
Worst case scenario, you can pick up a copy at Essen in 2015 (if you can stand to wait that long to Bust Punks!).Last updated:
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