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In a golden age of Museums, play a Curator tasked with amassing a Collection of Artefacts the likes of which the world has never seen!
In a golden age of Museums, play a Curator tasked with amassing a Collection of Artefacts the likes of which the world has never seen!
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Museum Production Update #15

Posted by Holy Grail Games (Creator)
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Greetings Curators,

As promised we’re back from Essen and we’ve had time to go over all of the expansion and KS exclusive content!

All the boxes!
All the boxes!

Here are some photos of each expansion and some of its contents. Each photo shows the main content components, but won’t necessarily show all of the cards (such as Black Market, which has A LOT of new cards).

The Cthulhu Relics

  The World’s Fair

Not Shown: Plastic clips. The Pavilion boards are punchboard.
Not Shown: Plastic clips. The Pavilion boards are punchboard.

The Black Market


Not Shown: The Market board is punchboard.
Not Shown: The Market board is punchboard.

 The Archaeologists

Not Shown: Plastic stands. The Explorer board is in Punchboard.
Not Shown: Plastic stands. The Explorer board is in Punchboard.

  The People’s Choice

Not Shown: Plastic stands and Clips. The 5th player Pavilion board is punchboard.
Not Shown: Plastic stands and Clips. The 5th player Pavilion board is punchboard.

 KS Exclusives

Not Shown: Continent board and Crystal Skull tile are in punchboard.
Not Shown: Continent board and Crystal Skull tile are in punchboard.

 The Museum Boards

After our last update we had a fair number of messages from backers about the change from punchboard to card. In response, we promised to take another look at the change. After consulting with the rest of the team and our manufacturers we have decided not to roll back this announcement.

This change was, as we explained, made for several reasons. After looking at our options we’ve decided that these reasons are still valid. On top of that, making any more major changes now would incur even more delays. As it stands we have completed a final proof reading of ALL the components and the game will be starting production officially next week, meaning we’re on schedule for our promised March delivery. Going back to board would mean a new round of prototyping and as these boards are core components, we couldn’t start production without them.

Additionally, during the Essen games fair we showed the new boards to two dozen or so backers that came by our stand and everyone was very satisfied with the new material and finishing.

Admittedly, no matter the reasoning, board would have been a more satisfying material than card. We accept the responsibility for this change but we are very happy with the boards as they are. As we said before: just because the thickness is changing, it doesn’t lessen the quality of the material or the gaming experience. The new material sits flat, looks good and weathers as well, if not better, than its board equivalent (having sat there for 15min opening and closing one to make sure that was indeed the case, I can guarantee it).

And because pictures paint a thousand words, you can see the proof below:

In spite of this, we know that some of you will still be disappointed. We sincerely apologise for the change but we’re confident you will have just as fun a game of Museum all the same.

Once again, thank you all for your patience and support. In our next update we hope to be able to show you boxes and cards rolling off the printing line!

Bonjour les Conservateurs,

Comme promis, nous sommes de retour d'Essen et nous avons eu le temps de passer en revue toutes les extensions et le contenu KS exclu de Museum !

Toutes les boîtes!
Toutes les boîtes!

Voici quelques photos de chaque extension et de son contenu. Chaque photo montre les principales composantes du contenu, mais ne montre pas nécessairement toutes les cartes (comme Marché Noir, qui apporte beaucoup de nouvelles cartes).

Les Reliques de Cthulhu

 Exposition universelle

A noter : Les plateaux Pavillons sont en punch.
A noter : Les plateaux Pavillons sont en punch.

Le Marché Noir

A noter : Les Clips en plastique ne sont pas présents dans la photo. Le plateau du Marché est en punch.
A noter : Les Clips en plastique ne sont pas présents dans la photo. Le plateau du Marché est en punch.

Les Archéologues

A noter : Les supports en plastique. Le plateau est en punch.
A noter : Les supports en plastique. Le plateau est en punch.

Le Prix du Public

A noter : Les clips en plastique et les stands en plastique ne sont pas présents dans la photo. Le plateau Pavillon est en punch.
A noter : Les clips en plastique et les stands en plastique ne sont pas présents dans la photo. Le plateau Pavillon est en punch.

Exclusivités Kickstarter

A noter : La planche Continent et la tuile des Crânes de Cristal sont en punch.
A noter : La planche Continent et la tuile des Crânes de Cristal sont en punch.

Les Plateaux des Musées

Après notre dernière mise à jour, de nombreux backers nous ont fait part de leurs inquiétudes quant au passage du punch à du carton pour les plateaux joueurs. En réponse à ces retours, nous nous sommes engagés à réévaluer le bien-fondé de cette transition. Après avoir consulté le reste de notre équipe et nos fabricants, nous avons décidé de maintenir notre décision initiale.

Pendant cette phase de réévaluation, nous avons examiné une par une toutes les raisons qui nous avaient poussé à basculer du punch à du carton, et ces motivations nous ont semblé toujours aussi valables. Qui plus est, nous avons terminé la relecture finale de tous les composants dans toutes les langues et le jeu entrera en production la semaine prochaine. Le retour à du punch bousculerait ce planning et nous contraindrait à effectuer un nouveau cycle de prototypage; les plateaux joueurs étant des composants du jeu de base, nous ne pourrions pas démarrer la production avant leur finalisation, ce qui retarderait la livraison du jeu d'autant.

Lors du salon d'Essen en Octobre, les nouveaux plateaux ont pu être examinés par de nombreux backers venus nous rendre visite sur le stand : ils se sont montrés très satisfaits par le matériau et la qualité de production des plateaux joueurs.

Il va de soi que le punch est de facto un matériau plus adapté à des plateaux joueurs, et nous assumons pleinement la déception que nombre d'entre vous ont pu éprouver. Cela dit, la différence perçue en terme de qualité entre le punch et le carton est moins grande que l'on pourrait croire, et nous-mêmes avons été très agréablement surpris par la qualité de ce carton lorsque nous avons reçu les exemplaires prototypes. Au final, la véritable différence que nous avons retenue lors de nos tests de résistance, c'est l'épaisseur moindre des plateaux. Pour le reste, le plateau en carton est très beau avec son revêtement plastifié mat, agréable au toucher et très résistant. Nous avons, avant de prendre notre décision finale, passé beaucoup de temps à malmener, plier et déplier les prototypes joueurs et je peux vous confirmer qu’ils résisteront à l'épreuve du temps.

Pour vous faire patienter avant de le constater par vous-même, voici une quelques photos. Nous sommes convaincus que les backers à juste titre déçus par ce changement de matériau nous pardonneront en découvrant leur exemplaire du jeu.

Encore une fois, merci à tous pour votre patience et votre soutien. Dans notre prochaine mise à jour, nous espérons pouvoir vous montrer des boîtes et des cartes qui sortent de la chaîne d'impression !

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    1. Missing avatar

      Ong Soo Yang on

      Erm... Punchboards can last longer and requires less care than cards... Now I have to laminate them...

    2. Trevor on

      @ Brett W. - Now come on.. that's not a fair comparison! More like you paid for blinds, but due to the size of the windows, you got curtains instead.

      But your point is valid. I still don't believe it's a deal breaker though.

    3. Brett W. on

      @Vaughn - Wow you are calling us petty for demanding what we are promised? What if your house contractor bid you x amount of dollars for a brick home? Now to cut corners and save money they want to build you a siding(vinyl) home. Does it make the home less of a home?... No, but is it what was bid and payed for ? No. I do not believe that this will make the game less of a game, but it wasn't what we were told was going to be final product. They could have supplied crayons and paper and told you to make your own, and it wouldn't hurt gameplay. It is ethics that are in question here. Don't call me petty for demanding what I was promised. If you'd pay the same for the vinyl house then you are a moron.

    4. Missing avatar

      Bhulenpazzen on

      @Trevor

      "I do hope to play this game a lot because it looks fun and I think a lot of friends and family will be in to it."

      Agree. I'm hoping this game gets 7 Wonders level of play with my family. Part of why I'm in the quality material camp. You should see my 7 Wonders game! "Well loved" would be an understatement!

    5. Trevor on

      @Vaughn I'm not saying these won't work out and be fine and I will likely end up making wooden playboards instead. But your very first comment is Will they lay flat?

      If you look at all the pictures, they actually do not lay flat at the crease. They are all raised. Also one of the pictures shows a white wear line along the fold. I do hope to play this game a lot because it looks fun and I think a lot of friends and family will be in to it.

      It's not the material in question to me, it's folding of this material that is.

      Still not backing out if it's "garbage" because I have an alternative solution. But I understand other backers concerns.

      I'm sure the upcoming video will alleviate everyone's concerns.

    6. dlampron on

      @Vaughn Williams Don't get me wrong I'm neutral on the player board, but I will probably copy/laminate the board. Unfortunately HGG mentioned in the comments while the campaign was running that the player would be cardboard 'see below' ... it probably doesn't help. Also, there is so many board game out there and the first impression is important 'review, quality'. Ex. Dragon Castle, BGG thread board being flimsy. Finally, like you said the game mechanisms is the most important ie. Xi'an flimsy mini-boards, brownish but awesome ;-)

      Q: What kind of finish & thickness do player boards, continent board and cards have
      A: 2mm mounted for the boards.

      Q: Also are the playerboards card stock or cardboard?
      A: Cards are top quality card stock (I don't have the exact specs within reach). All the boards are cardboard (mounted), not cardstock

    7. Missing avatar

      Vaughn Williams on

      Thank you for your honest and upfront presentation of the change that had to be made to the game with the player boards. I find it interesting that so many people are having a problem with the thickness of these boards, yet when the game was first presented, all of the comments about what people were looking forward to was in regard to the art and look of the game. All of those things have been provided just as promised. The artwork and look of the game is stellar. At that time, the thickness of the player boards was not mentioned by anyone as a reason for backing this project. Why when everything else has been handled spectacularly, would the thickness of these boards be an issue so important that someone would want to a refund?

      Do they lie flat? Yes. Do they look good? Yes. How heavy do you need a board to be to hold some cards? They appear to be able to handle that job with no problem? So where is the issue? I don't get it. Let's say I hired a contractor to build a new home for me, and there was a sudden price jump in materials due to some unanticipated disaster. If he came to me and said he would have to use a different material in a certain aspect of the work, I would say go for it as long as I could verify that what he was giving me was still a good to excellent product that would not drastically affect the quality of my home. Now if he wanted to use something for the foundation that would not hold up the house properly, that would be a different story. The player boards are not the most important part of this game. They are necessary, but the cards are by far the heart of the game. When I play this game, my friends will not be complaining about how thin the boards are. They will be marveling at the art and game mechanisms. So a change in thickness for these boards is not a big deal to me.

      You have assured me that backers have come by your booth, examined the player boards, and were happy with the final product. I have no reason to suddenly believe that you are being dishonest with us on this fact. You have been very straightforward the whole time. So once again, thank you for being open about the situation and letting us know, not hiding the change until we received the final product.

      This change is not the end of the world. The price of the game was very much within reason for what we are getting. I am happy to stand by my purchase, and I am saddened by the pettiness of so many people in this world today.

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      Damien
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      on

      :(

    9. Brett W. on

      @Jamie - If a refund is possible please tell me how to go about this.

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      Bhulenpazzen on

      Thanks for replies Jamie. You're bearing the brunt of a difficult TEAM decision.

      I am aware that you are the voice for the 7C project. That's part of what led me to stumble upon the Museum project. My love of bringing 7C into this discussion hinges on this.

      Being familiar with both projects, would you suggest that this issue with Museum is more difficult to fix than the one faced on 7C (for those of you unaware, the 7C team, which is represented by Jamie, chose to reprint the ENTIRE first run of the game to fix a pretty impactful quality issue - I encourage you to take a look at the size of the 7C game to understand how big a deal the making of the right decision must have felt to the designers).

      Or would you suggest that the Museum issue is less important to address than the 7C issue was because the Museum team's perspective of the Museum issue is that it's mostly cosmetic, whereas the 7C team viewed their issue as functional.

      I'm sure you discussed with the manufacturer just how impactful replacing with punchboard would be. Maybe you can specifically unpack this for us in terms of cost/delay. Like, does it trigger a ground up box and blow redesign with changes to box art, and Dutrait is into other projects and booked for the next 6 mo?

      Did you consider taking a backer survey to inform team decision?

      The Dutrait survey months ago had to have been somewhat informative to the Museum team in terms of voice of the customer...

      Regards, and my continued best wishes on this project.

    11. Missing avatar

      Spip5 on

      Bonjour,

      Les plateaux de défausse KSE seront-ils en papier ? Si oui, seront-ils pliés ?

      Merci d'avance

    12. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      -> When is delivery expected? I guess RallyMan KS is over by then?
      We’re still on for March. So yes the Rallyman Ks will have ended but the game will be in production.

      -> Disagree that player boards aren't that big a part of the game. They're central to point scoring via strategic card placement.
      Don't want to bend card to make flat.
      Of course they are a major part of the game. What I think the others are trying to express (and our opinion echoes it) is that once the board is on the table, it doesn’t really make any difference what it’s made of. As long as the board sits nice and flat and can take the strain of more than a few gaming sessions. Which these do.
      -> Loved comment about SP & 7C. Bruno and Ludo would have had the right words to announce a delay but for the right reason of addressing a quality issue.
      Well seeing as I write all the updates for T7C, I did try my hardest to do the same here ;)

      -> Btw, did the prototype box art for the Crystal Skulls expansion make the final cut, or is it out?
      No the CS expansion will be included in the main box.

    13. Missing avatar

      Lumich on

      Keep up the good work
      if YOU feel it was the best decision, it MUST be the best decision.

      cannot wait to test the game and will definitively back your next coming games !

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      Adam Prentis on

      Thanks for the update. I respect HGG's decision about the player boards. I'm still super-excited for the game :-)

      I feel HGG has approached the situation fairly and see no reason to deny support for any of their future projects.

      Jamie, as you must be getting a lot of flak right now - I'm sending you a hug and a smile. Try not to take all the anger to heart!

      Also, the expansions and exclusives look great :-)

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      Bhulenpazzen on

      Btw, did the prototype box art for the Crystal Skulls expansion make the final cut, or is it out?

    16. Mårten Carlzon on

      Looking forward to this game and I know you haven't had it easy with all the negative comments but have played with these type of components before and they work.
      I know you didn't do the change lightly and you have been great with updates and commenting on peoples reaction to you.
      Keep up the good work and looking forward to get my hands on this game! \o/

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      Bhulenpazzen on

      The last comment was hyperbole on my part. I couldn't resist, but now I feel bad.

      My ask is that it the card vs punchboard issue get fixed before retail and provided to KS backers FOC at that point.

      Like the idea of cloth mats.

      Disagree that player boards aren't that big a part of the game. They're central to point scoring via strategic card placement.

      Don't want to bend card to make flat.

      Agricola holds 8 punchboards without being too heavy.

      Loved comment about SP & 7C. Bruno and Ludo would have had the right words to announce a delay but for the right reason of addressing a quality issue.

    18. Missing avatar

      Bhulenpazzen on

      Comcast lvl customer service here.

    19. Richard Reid Gregg
      Superbacker
      on

      Thanks for the update. Looking forward to playing this when it arrives!

    20. Christian Villarreal
      Superbacker
      on

      @Then refund me for the amount difference for the change. This isn’t what I paid for, so refund me for what I SHOULD have paid for.

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      Steven Thomas on

      Looks like it might be time for a refund. How do I go about this please?

    22. Missing avatar

      David14
      Superbacker
      on

      @Jamie
      Je viens de vous envoyer un PM via kickstarter afin d'obtenir un remboursement
      Merci

    23. RicoFromLyon on

      Salut Jamie et la team HGG, vous gardez toute ma confiance, je vous soutiens et je vous remercie pour ces infos claires et précises.

    24. Missing avatar

      Ron on

      Wow, the negativity... Come on guys! I for one am very satisfied with the management of this project. The campaign, the updates, the communication, production - they have all been excellent on Holy Grail's side, and very much up to standard with the better KS campaigns. The way they handled the crisis with Vincent's absence was admirable, having everything clearly explained and with the end result apparently not compromised at all. Finally, the delays are also very much within reason, in fact a 5 month delay is quite short in KS terms and less than the typical delay of KS games (I can list plenty of games which were delayed by over a year).

      And regarding the "downgrade" of the player boards - sure I'd be happy with thick cardboard, but this is far from serious. It seems like the new boards have been heavily researched, and pretty much everyone who has actually SEEN them says they look and feel great. Furthermore, I for one am tired of the huge, heavy game boxes that everyone seems to be producing these days.. Seriously, it has gone out of control. Think about it - a box that has to carry 5 full-sized folded game boards, mind you that's TEN big thick cardboard sheets stacked together, would be pretty substantial. So sure, I can agree that it would be NICE to have cardboard if it would somehow become weightless and volumeless in the box :) But in reality this is quite minor, while the resulting game box becomes way more manageable. And most importantly, it is clear that the creators have invested a LOT of effort to make these boards the best possible quality. So I for one am perfectly fine with this change, and I fully trust the creators and the playtesters that these boards will be perfectly fine.

    25. S.A.R. Zevenbergen
      Superbacker
      on

      Appreciate the reaction. I’ll have to see product before making a final judgement, so far you have my trust, though it was a bit of a disappointment to hear. When is delivery expected? I guess RallyMan KS is over by then?

    26. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      ->Doesn't mater how often you open or closing it. After a couple of times of Playing it looks a mess. Cracks, Dirt and Kinks.

      Well we have played with these boards about a dozen times, took them to Essen (outside of the box even) and so far nothing. If you’re not planning on manhandling them or eating fondue whilst playing you have no reason to worry about any of these I can assure you.

      ->its not fair to make such a change after the campaign is over.

      Know that if we could have done this any other way we would have. As I’ve said before we didn’t do this for a petty reason such as money but for multiple reasons.

      (>Disappointed in the response to backers concerns from this company.
      Nothing more than 2 side on pictures of the mats, no video footage (good example being the Dice Throne season 2 unboxing videos)
      Not showing responsiveness to suggestions from backers (look at just launched Catacombs 3rd Edition kickstarter which has added parts of the full pledge to the upgrade only pledge at normal additional cost)
      And with this latest update of 'No this is what we're going with' not even a basic customer service of offering a refund to those still not happy.

      We still have plans for the unboxing video but I admit I didn’t think an video just for the boards would be worth it. If it would reassure people though we’d be more than happy too. Concerning our “responsiveness” I have actually replied to all the comments of the sort, saying that asking you guys to pay for something after the change is out of the question. Additionally, even if we did, it would take even more time to put in place. For refunds, they have always been available and I said as much in the previous update. If you truly are that disappointed about the change then feel free to PM us.

      ->@Holy Grail Games rather than cardboard why not another material for these playerboard, i mean they are plenty of materiels possible: cloth mat, neoprene mat, printed bach (maybe as PM add-on ?) so everyone will be happy ?

      As I said in the comments section, I don’t want to ask you guys to pay again and we just don’t have the time to put that into place before delivery.

      ->very sad with the change, when you sell something you must keep on it.
      are there other things that have been changed to lesser quality?

      This is not a change that we made lightly, it is however the ONLY change.

      ->@holy grail games - the delivery was a bait and switch now the basic game materials are a bait and switch.

      The delays were never intended and we have always kept you guys up to date with everything, that goes for the board situation too. I’d ask that you moderate your message next time as I do not appreciate being accused of this kind of thing.

      ->At Essen Spiel'18 I didn't buy the game "Underwater Cities" because of their paper playerboards that already had dozens of kinks because of careless treatment. Those flaws wouldn't have hapened with punchboards. I don't now how thick your card playerboards are but they would need to be of significant thickness do prevent this from happening and give a quality feeling of the material.

      I haven’t had that reaction to games but I understand what you mean. It was one of my principal concerns when we started looking at this material. I can’t call games out by name but I’m confident that these will be much better than in some other products.

      ->Well I don't believe at this point we can be refunded, which is too bad. I do believe this is false advertising

      Refunds are still available, they always have been. Additionally, this Ks and it is stated on our page that some components may change. All Ks companies put that kind of mention in in case of an event like this. I’m not saying this to rub salt in the wound, but to ask you not to accuse us of things like that.

      ->Will consider not backing if the quality is optionable... why not go the other route. Overdeliver rather than underdeliver.

      Quality if never optional. As I said, even though the thickness has changed, the quality is still there.

      On that note guys, there’s a lot of you saying you’ll never back our games again, or that you want a refund, and that’s fine, that’s your choice and nobody can hold it against you. However, please understand that we didn’t make this change because we wanted to but because we had to, and we are sorry for it. We’re not trying to pull anything over you; we’ve been fully transparent with the entire process and even tried to make changes based on the feedback. Despite not being able to get a result that satisfies everyone we’ve tried (and feel as if we have) to get the best possible result from the situation.

    27. S.A.R. Zevenbergen
      Superbacker
      on

      I’m pretty happy now I didn’t go for the 5th player expansion...

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      VonTesse on

      I would also have preferred board versus card considering the amount of use these will be getting.

      Would it be possible to make the high-quality images available to download for those of us who would like to upgrade those cards to board or mats? Might be a nice middle ground.

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      Bijan
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      on

      Dissapointed! Will consider not backing if the quality is optionable... why not go the other route. Overdeliver rather than underdeliver.

    30. Björn Fink on

      I would suggest that at least you round the edges.

    31. Cosmic Girl on

      I recommend Holy Grail Games to fix this Problem with the Museum Boards. I agree with METADNA's idea to switch the Board for example for a mat or even a thicker Game Board.
      I think the most Baker would wait a little longer if they get a good quality and promissed game they ordered.
      a shame that it's not possible to withdraw from this campaign

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      Gavin McMeeking on

      Looks like my first, and now last, kickstarter experience will be a disappointing one. What a bummer.

    33. Erwin || Redlum
      Superbacker
      on

      I think this is a good decision! Nicely written update and very nice pictures. I’m looking forward to the final game. I was at Essen and have seen your stand. Pity I did not ask you about museum because is would have loved to see it :). Good luck with the rest of production.

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      Mathieu Dormaels on

      I understand the reasons behind the decision, but an option to upgrade the playerboards for backers would have be very nice, as a ks exclu or deluxe version, even with an add-on in the pledge manager.
      To all deceived backers, I understand all of you, but HGG has been spotless on other KS and it seems to me a little overreacting saying "never again". KS is not a presale store, and changes are always possible.
      In any case, I'm still impatient to have the game and play !

    35. Brett W. on

      Well I don't believe at this point we can be refunded, which is too bad. I do believe this is false advertising, and will not forget, and will not support in the future. Big disappointment.

    36. Missing avatar

      Dirk on

      Well, for me playerboards are very essential, because they are what I interact with the whole game! They are in front of me, I use them, pass them to other players during setup, and so on. That's why paper just isn't that what I expect from a KS-Game that raised this much money and even announced cardboard!

    37. Jamie & Tim Buckley
      Superbacker
      on

      *cardstock

    38. Jamie & Tim Buckley
      Superbacker
      on

      Consider me another disappointed backer. I despise cards to k player boards, one of the many reasons I upgraded Terraforming Mars. But that was a cheap retail game I upgraded on my own. To have backed a quality production like Museum, only to have the quality downgraded after the fact is beyond disappointing. It definitely will prevent me from backing another one of Holy Grail's games in the future.

    39. Matthieu PODEVIN on

      Even if the change of material may seem surprising I think we should not do too much either. Player boards are not essential to the game itself, even if they bring an interesting twist. They are not the heart of the game and compare to those used for Terraforming Mars, Myrmes, Underwater Cities, etc..., they are much more qualitative.

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      Dirk on

      And another one really disappointed by that decision =(. It neither feels good nor looks good playing a "high quality" game and then having a sheet of paper lying in front of you. It is the same like Terraforming Mars, with this wobbling sh** of a so called player board.
      I have to stick to the others: announcing a board and then doing a downgrade weeks after the very succesful (!) campaign just doesn't feel right and more like a punch in the face. I will definitely keep that in mind for any future products from your company.

    41. Blox Voy Fred on

      Stephane Bouvier a tout dit, c un peu plus qu'une déception de mon cotés, je saurai a quoi m'en tenir a l'avenir.

    42. cRuEllY
      Superbacker
      on

      At Essen Spiel'18 I didn't buy the game "Underwater Cities" because of their paper playerboards that already had dozens of kinks because of careless treatment. Those flaws wouldn't have hapened with punchboards. I don't now how thick your card playerboards are but they would need to be of significant thickness do prevent this from happening and give a quality feeling of the material.

    43. Missing avatar

      Ron Horta on

      @holy grail games - the delivery was a bait and switch now the basic game materials are a bait and switch. Well you got two over on your customers, but customers have LONG memories. At your peril do you make such changes. Gamers REMEMBER.

    44. Missing avatar

      Stéphane Bouvier on

      On sait tous que c'est avant tout une décision financière cette histoire de cardboard. C'est dommage car il y a le risque que l'immersion dans le jeu en soit diminuée mais on verra sur pièces. Je regrette seulement que l'argent n'ait pas été forcément bien investi, car il y a des boîtes d'extension qui ne nécessitaient pas un format aussi grand et que l'insert ne sert pas à jouer. J'aurais préféré que les fonds aillent au matériel de jeu avant les emballages et autres. Après, j'ai pas les détails financiers et on verra donc sur pièces.

    45. Lumberjacks Studio on

      Je vous soutient à 100% !
      Et surtout je vous fais confiance dans vos choix ! Vraiment hâte de recevoir mes boites !
      Plein de courage pour la dernière ligne droite ;)

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      kaih on

      bonjour

      very sad with the change, when you sell something you must keep on it.
      are there other things that have been changed to lesser quality?

    47. METADNA
      Superbacker
      on

      @Holy Grail Games rather than cardboard why not another material for these playerboard, i mean they are plenty of materiels possible: cloth mat, neoprene mat, printed bach (maybe as PM add-on ?) so everyone will be happy ?

    48. Chrono
      Superbacker
      on

      Disappointed in the response to backers concerns from this company.
      Nothing more than 2 side on pictures of the mats, no video footage (good example being the Dice Throne season 2 unboxing videos)
      Not showing responsiveness to suggestions from backers (look at just launched Catacombs 3rd Edition kickstarter which has added parts of the full pledge to the upgrade only pledge at normal additional cost)
      And with this latest update of 'No this is what we're going with' not even a basic customer service of offering a refund to those still not happy.
      Noted for future games from this company, with sadness!

    49. Carlos da Ponte on

      Thanks for the update Jaime & team. I completely respect your decision on the play boards. Why would you risk the success of your game ? You wouldn’t, so you must be confident that it’s the right choice and that’s good enough for me.