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In a golden age of Museums, play a Curator tasked with amassing a Collection of Artefacts the likes of which the world has never seen!
In a golden age of Museums, play a Curator tasked with amassing a Collection of Artefacts the likes of which the world has never seen!
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Museum Delivery Update / Update de Livraison

Posted by Holy Grail Games (Creator)
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Greetings Curators !

We have another production update for you. As we said in our previous update, things have been moving along over the summer. Not as well as we would have liked, but we’ll get into that later.

We now have the full pre-production copy of Museum to show you, including all of the punchboard tokens, the figurines and the box insert, which we were still waiting on when we posted our last update.

Exciting stuff!
Exciting stuff!

Needless to say, we’re really happy with how it has all come together, and it’s really exciting to finally see all of the elements on the table.

The box insert allows all of the game components be tidied away neatly, including space for your Kickstarter exclusive rewards as well as sleeved cards for those of you inclined to do so!

A nice space to tidy away all of your cards, tokens and figurines!
A nice space to tidy away all of your cards, tokens and figurines!

Some of you brought up the difference in the thickness of the player boards compared to the prototype and I wanted to confirm that we have indeed ended up going with a thinner card. This was to help reduce the weight, size and overall cost of the box. However, we do want to emphasise that thinner boards does not mean lower quality, so the final product will be a thick, high-quality cardstock with a lovely matt laminate finish. After playtesting them intensively, we’re really happy with how they look and feel.

The player boards
The player boards

We also have all the punchboard elements which we’re very happy with.

All of the different game tokens!
All of the different game tokens!

The player figurines and the first player token (which is the bust of Charlotte) look brilliant too, we’re delighted with how detailed they are!

Charlotte in all her glory!
Charlotte in all her glory!

We look forward to seeing what all of you painters out there might do with them.

Get ready painters...
Get ready painters...

We have, however, run into a few issues which set us back a little over the summer.

Firstly, we weren’t entirely happy with the size of the box. With the boards laying on top of the insert, it didn’t quite close properly.

On top of that, having the whole game translated and proof-read in three languages (one of which being German, a language which no one on the team actually speaks) has also taken longer than expected.

The factory has also been on a very busy schedule, meaning that it’s taken a little longer for us to receive the pre-production copy than we’d planned for.

Unfortunately, all of these small delays are now adding up, meaning that we’re going to have to ask for your patience one more time. This final stage of the project is crucial to ensuring that we deliver the level of quality that was promised, and we really don’t want to get it wrong. Everything must be thoroughly checked over, and with such a small team, it’s taken us longer than we had hoped.

We had planned to deliver your games just before Christmas, but unfortunately it now seems that this won’t be possible. Delivering for the end of the year would force us to rush this final stage more than we’re comfortable with. On top of that, we’ve been advised against attempting to deliver during the busy Christmas period, as this might result in lost or damaged packages.

We’re now setting our final delivery date for March 2019. This may seem like a large additional delay, but we’re trying to leave ourselves a little margin for error this time, based on the estimations given to us by the factory.

We’re really sorry for this final delay, but we hope that the photos are enough to make you as excited for the game as we are! We will do an unboxing video once we have the final production copy, so that you’ll truly be able to see what you’ll be getting.

Of course, we’ll keep you informed of how things go every step of the way, and we’ll be available as always to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you once again for your support.

Salutations les Conservateurs !

Des nouvelles au sujet de la production de Museum ! Les choses ont globalement bien progressé cet été, sauf sur certains points où cela n’a pas avancé autant que nous l’aurions souhaité : nous allons y revenir.

Nous avons maintenant entre nos mains la copie de préproduction de Museum dans sa totalité, incluant tous les jetons, les figurines et le thermoformage de la boîte, qui n’étaient pas encore arrivés au moment de la dernière actu que nous avons publiée il y a quelques semaines.

Tous les éléments du jeu de base !
Tous les éléments du jeu de base !

 Bien entendu, nous sommes absolument ravis! Voir enfin tous les éléments du jeu enfin rassemblés sur une table est vraiment gratifiant. Le thermoformage permet de ranger tous les éléments proprement, y compris les exclusivités Kickstarter et des cartes entièrement sleevées si vous décidez de le faire !

Du joli rangement pour les conservateurs!
Du joli rangement pour les conservateurs!

 Certains d’entre vous ont remarqué la différence d’épaisseur entre les plateaux joueurs finaux et les prototypes : nous avons effectivement fini par choisir un matériau moins épais, ce qui nous a permis de réduire la taille, le poids et le coût de la boîte. Cependant, soyez sans crainte : cela ne signifie en aucun cas que la qualité du produit sera inférieure. Les plateaux seront tirés sur de la carte épaisse avec une jolie finition mate ; nous les avons testés, et le rendu est à la hauteur du niveau de qualité élevé que nous souhaitions maintenir.

Les plateaux joueurs
Les plateaux joueurs

Nous avons également reçu tous les éléments en punch, qui sont parfaits.

Tous les différents jetons
Tous les différents jetons

Les figurines joueur et le jeton premier joueur (le buste de Charlotte) sont également très réussis, nous sommes ravis du niveau de détail qu’offre chaque pièce !

Charlotte dans toute sa gloire !
Charlotte dans toute sa gloire !

De plus, elles pourront constituer un petit projet sympa pour les amateurs de peinture de figurine parmi vous !

A vos pinceaux...
A vos pinceaux...

Cependant, nous n’avons pas que des bonnes nouvelles à vous annoncer.

Nous avons tout de même rencontré quelques difficultés cet été.

Tout d'abord, la taille de la boîte ne nous convenait pas tout à fait : en rangeant les plateaux de jeu par-dessus le thermoformage, elle ne se fermait plus complètement, et nous avons donc été contraints de modifier légèrement la hauteur de la boîte de jeu.

La traduction et la relecture du jeu en trois langues (dont l’allemand, une langue qu’aucun membre de l’équipe ne maîtrise) a pris beaucoup plus de temps que prévu, du fait du grand volume de texte à relire, et du niveau d’exigence que nous voulons conserver dans la qualité de nos textes.

L’usine de production avait également un planning très dense, et nous n’avons donc pu recevoir notre copie de préproduction que récemment.

Malheureusement, tous ces petits contretemps se sont accumulés, et nous devons faire appel à votre patience une toute dernière fois. Cette phase finale du projet est absolument essentielle pour garantir le niveau de qualité que nous vous avons promis, et nous ne voulons pas la négliger. Chaque élément doit être vérifié avec minutie et, avec une équipe si restreinte, cela prend beaucoup de temps.

Nous avions prévu de livrer vos jeux juste avant Noël mais il semble que nous n’allons pas pouvoir tenir cette date. Une livraison pour la fin de l’année nous obligerait à bâcler toutes ces dernières vérifications si importante pour la qualité éditoriale du jeu, et nous ne sommes pas à l’aise avec ce genre de compromis. De plus, nous avons été informés qu’une livraison pendant les vacances de fin d’année est peu conseillée, car il s’agit d’une période pendant laquelle les services de livraison sont déjà saturés, ce qui pourrait provoquer des colis perdus et/ou endommagés.

Nous décalons donc notre date de livraison pour Mars 2019. Ce délai supplémentaire peut paraître important, mais nous l’avons volontairement exagéré pour y inclure une petite marge d’erreur. Cette date est basée sur les estimations fournies par l’usine, et est donc plutôt fiable.

Nous sommes vraiment désolés pour ce retard, mais nous espérons que ces photos de l’exemplaire de préproduction vous mettront l’eau à la bouche, et vous permettront de patienter encore un peu ! Nous ferons une vidéo pour vous montrer tous les éléments une fois que les modifications demandées seront faites et que nous aurons la copie de production finale, ce qui nous permettra de vous montrer exactement ce que vous allez recevoir.

Bien sûr, nous vous tiendrons au courant de chaque étape de la production, et restons à votre disposition pour répondre à toutes vos questions.

Encore une fois, merci pour votre soutien !

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    1. Missing avatar

      Yana on

      Bonsoir, comme beaucoup d'autres l'ont exprimé avant moi (que ça soit ici sur Kickstarter ou sur des forums), je suis très déçue de ce changement de plateaux... J'aurais préféré avoir une boîte plus grande, un délai supplémentaire, ou que sais-je, plutôt que de lire que je vais recevoir des "feuilles volantes souples" en guise de plateaux joueurs. Je pense qu'un jeu tel que Museum méritait des plateaux un peu "luxueux" pour présenter ses musées... Je suis aussi très déçue que les backers (les premiers touchés par ce changement) n'aient pas été consultés du tout avant cette prise de décision. Ajoutons à ça le délai : 10/11 mois pour être prévenus qu'il y a un soucis de taille/poids de la boîte avec les plateaux, alors que là, on devrait déjà être livrés. Je suis vraiment déçue, et j'hésite à garder ou annuler mon pledge.

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      Lydie on

      Bonjour,
      Je viens seulement de voir la news, enfin une amie qui a pleegé aussi qui m'a avertie, et je suis dégoûtée. " Certains d’entre vous ont remarqué la différence d’épaisseur entre les plateaux joueurs finaux et les prototypes : nous avons effectivement fini par choisir un matériau moins épais, ce qui nous a permis de réduire la taille, le poids et le coût de la boîte. Cependant, soyez sans crainte : cela ne signifie en aucun cas que la qualité du produit sera inférieure." Honnêtement, le jeu ne m’intéresse plus du coup ! Mettre 99 euros et me retrouver avec des feuilles à la place de plateaux, ça ne passe pas pour moi. Entre la façon de faire, nous faire passer des vessies pour des lanternes, et l'impression qu'on fait des économies sur notre dos, ça passe encore moins. J'aimerais savoir s'il est encore possible d'annuler notre commande ?

    3. ExcalibursZone
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      on

      Yeah, after reading the latest update and then checking in on this, if what we see in the images here as being close to the production versions, the player boards are junk. Maybe not Homesteaders 1.0 junk, but very close to what looks like cereal box card. Not happy about that. Still, so long as the gameplay is good, I can always homebrew proper thickness player boards and stuff these ones in a closet somewhere.

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      Nathan on

      I also agree 100% with the disappointment others are expressing. I do not mind a little extra wait for a quality game, but card stock player 'mats' is NOT what I signed on for, no matter how nice it is. I want to feel like my museum is a solid board.

      I would concur with others in adding 1/4" to the box depth. So what if its a bigg(er) box to take to game night?! Please don't cheapen the player boards by thinning them.

      The rest of the production is wonderful & the game looks great, and like most other backers, I can't wait to receive it. However, I am very upset about this change. In my opinion it is not an upgrade, and we are not just three months late, this will make it seven, best case scenario. I can live with a delay (as most others seem to express) - If this is the case, then deliver the game as promised, not by downgrading the components to save money on shipping costs.

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      Adam Prentis on

      If the weight of the retail box is the problem, another solution might be to remove all the extra Personality, Notoriety, Event, and Patron cards from the retail and leave them only in the KS edition. Or you could remove the Continent board from retail and leave it only in the KS.

      As an aside, all the other components look gorgeous, the player minis are especially superb :-)

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      Szilard Leitner on

      +1 cardboard players boards (at least for KS backers), or maybe there's the chance to design an "all in" box that can hold everything related to Museum, including cardboard player boards (I know, plus risk + delivery delay, but after 7 months who cares?)

    7. METADNA
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      on

      Allocate the budget from the insert to player's punchboard and the useless + problematic (height issue) insert with beautiful printed tuckeboxes and extension boxes !

    8. METADNA
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      on

      Allocate the budget from the insert to player's punchboard and replace the useless insert with beautiful printed tuckeboxes and extension boxes !

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      Edward Terwilliger on

      I am kind of scared to see what the delay will be if they do fix the board problem. Right now it is almost 7 months WITHOUT fixing them. I am not even 100% sure I would want a refund. But I would consider it if it was to be an option. I backed out of the Domination campaign strictly due to how they have handled this one. We all already paid for this game as it was advertised. I dont think its right of them to reduce the quality of anything or take anything away. That would be a crappy thing to do to someone after they have paid you.

    10. Chrono
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      on

      Not upset about delays, but defiantly don't think the current proposal for museum board is good enough. As it sounds like I'll have to ditch the insert to fit it all in the main box (sorry but nothing gets more space than it needs) I'd take original thicker boards any day!

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      Adam Prentis on

      I'm sure you considered the quality, feeling and game play thoroughly, but did you consider the players' emotional feeling, subjective satisfaction, and the effect on attitudes towards HGG? From the many reactions, here, this seem to be impacted highly. Is it really worth it?
      If box weight is the problem, again, I'd prefer to discard the KS-bonus discard tiles to keep the player boards boards. Or is it an issue with the weight of the retail box, not the KS edition? In that case, you could keep the boards for the KS edition...

      I still like the game, love the art, and am looking forward to the cards, especially the awesome KS-exclusive LoEE cards. It's all the more pity the game's reputation is getting hit like this...

    12. Mathieu Doublet on

      Bon courage pour la finalisation du projet. Bien sûr, il y a du retard mais beaucoup de projets KS en ont. Dommage pour le plateau de joueur. Celui du prototype était excellent mais peut-être qu'avec cette version plus légère, ça donnera l'impression d'avoir plus de place sur la table.
      J'espère seulement que cela n'empiètera pas sur le projet Dominations.

      Bref, on verra bien une fois le jeu entre nos mains. J'espère que tout cela n'affectera pas trop

    13. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      Ok guys, message received. Give me some time to talk with the rest of the team and the factory and see what options are available to us.

      However, let me be clear now: This is not a promise that we are going to go back on the change.

      I see a lot of people picking at certain points individually: Price, Weight, Box size, delays, etc. Please understand that you cannot approach the design of this kind of product like this. EVERYTHING we do has a knock on effect.

      I’m going to put a simple one out there; some of you have expressed that you wouldn’t mind if the box lid wasn’t flush with the bottom. However, what about transport? The box is meant to protect the interior components but if it is (and it will be) subject to pressure during transport, it will start to crush the interior content. Ok, so we raise the height, it’s already at 8cm tall so we’d be looking at an increase of at least another 2cm. To put that into perspective, most big box mini games are about 10/11cm tall. All of a sudden the box is now takes up more space (that we would have preferred to you use for the expansion boxes) and is harder to transport for game nights.

      Here we’re only talking about part of the height issue. But then there’s a whole host elements to consider including, of course, costs.

      Before you start to type a reply: please understand that this isn’t an argument. As I said above: We’ve heard you and as a company that WANTS a close link to its supporters we are going to see what we can do. I’m just trying to make you guys aware that this is a very tricky situation that we’re going to try and to overcome in the best way possible whilst staying as on time and on budget as we can. Thank you for understanding.

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      Steven Thomas on

      Is there a way to back out for a full refund? I’m not happy with the changes or the reasoning behind them.

    15. Christopher Boat
      Superbacker
      on

      I don't seen Cthulu or People's Choice available as add-ons in thr Pledge Manager.

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      Florian Haring on

      Please don't go Terraforming Mars on us with the player boards. It really is a pain to play on these fiddly card stock sheets.

    17. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      ->Aligning card rows on a soft cardstock player "board" on a gaming table with an already soft velvet surface mat... that doesn't sound easy to play. I'll better look for some real card boards to lay the the museum sheet on and hope the best. And have fun all you sleevers... that could make it even worse.

      So, this is another thing we did think of. We tested both the card and board versions. Apart from the board having a slight advantage due to its weight, we really did not notice much of a difference. Additionally, we tested non and sleeved cards on the finishing and, thanks to the card’s varnish, both seem to slip around slightly less on the card version. That being said, it’s barely noticeable and a gust of wind if going to ruin your day no matter what you play on or with.

      ->I think you could benefit with making a quick video (nothing fancy) showing the player boards "in motion" so that backers can get a idea of how durable they are and how they behave with sleeved cards etc. It may reassure people and reduce the concern over the change of materials.

      A very good idea. I had wanted to do this with the first production copy but we may do it sooner to alleviate fears.

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      Claudia Fabrizek on

      If you need help with proofreading the German rule book: I am German and I'd be happy to help.

    19. Blox Voy Fred on

      Pour être honnête le délai ne me dérange pas plus que ca, par contre j'ai un problème avec les plateaux de joueurs.
      A choisir j'aurai même préféré me passer de figurines au profit de vrai plateaux cartonnés .

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      narls on

      I think you could benefit with making a quick video (nothing fancy) showing the player boards "in motion" so that backers can get a idea of how durable they are and how they behave with sleeved cards etc. It may reassure people and reduce the concern over the change of materials.

    21. NY on

      I truly believe if you guys are taking the time to do things right, you DO NOT downgrade and do folded card stock player boards!! This truly doesn't make any sense! As I had said earlier, think of a new and popular game like Dinosaur Island.. the player boards are a nice thick cardboard! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE listen to all your backers!! This downgrade is really really bad and extremely disappointing!!!

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      VGAP
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      on

      Aligning card rows on a soft cardstock player "board" on a gaming table with an already soft velvet surface mat... that doesn't sound easy to play. I'll better look for some real card boards to lay the the museum sheet on and hope the best. And have fun all you sleevers... that could make it even worse. What a bummer...

    23. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      @Edward – Just to clarify, as you’re talking boards: This change only affects the player boards, not the big central one which of course remains in punchboard.
      @Akindor – The boards were always folded, even when they were being planned in board. Also, the factory assures us that the boards have a good durability and even though, yes, they will show signs of wear eventually (like any folding board), you’ll be good to go for quite some time.

    24. Akindor
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      on

      I wouldn't mind the card stock player boards as much if they weren't folded. Having to fold them up for storage and then bend them backwards for play time after time will ultimately weaken the card stock at the crease, as well as add wrinkles and stress to the printed image. Did the boards always require folding even when they were not card stock?

    25. Missing avatar

      NasosP
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      on

      You must be joking! Folded card stock?! First the switch from Vincent Dutrait to a group of rookies, now a downgrade to probably the most important component besides the game board... I won’t even bother opening the box when (if) it arrives. I’ll sell it and write off the publisher completely. Fool me once and everything

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      Edward Terwilliger on

      I love the theme and artwork but I am not sure I would have pledged had they advertised cardstock folded boards.

    27. NY on

      To keep the quality of the components, the player boards should be thick and almost like card board!! I want to inform that I don't care for the delay in production, that happens and I'd rather you guys focus on making everything perfect, but downgrading a huge component is not a good idea!!

    28. NY on

      Cardstock folded player boards are an AWFUL idea!! I thought we'd be playing on something with much more substance and it's a big disappointment. The best example I have is the feeling of playing on nice thick boards in Dinosaur Island and I don't care at all that my box doesn't close all the way because my player boards are thick! Don't do this delay and cheapen the player boards!!! :(

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      Edward Terwilliger on

      So the board is card stock ? If thats true that sucks. I did not pay over $100 to play a game on that. I see some of you saying you would pay more for the original. Why should we pay more to get something they advertised before we pledged ? So now we are not only not getting the game anywhere near on time but we are also not getting what we paid for. Very disappointed with this campaign as it seems all we ever get is bad news and more delays.

    30. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      @sinx - Argh, je suis désolé d’ajouter au tas. Alors effectivement oui les plateaux sont plus fins mais restent de très bon qualité. Plus souple certes, mais comme des feuilles, peut-être pas :p

      @Matthew – 1/ Good idea, however given the nature of the timeline now I’m hesitant to make more changes.
      2/The models are not associated with colours no. However, players should be able to recognise each other’s markers very easily due to their unique shapes. Kinda like Monopoly. Otherwise, there are coloured punchboard tokens in the box too!

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      Matthew Gabbert
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      on

      A comment and a question:
      - Given the change in materials, player boards should probably be called player mats in the rulebook and any other collateral.
      - The fancy sculpted player markers are all grey, while the player mats all have an associated player color. Will there be some kind of removable color base for the grey markers to make it clear which one belongs to which player?

    32. sinx on

      Cette déception 😭 3eme projet que je devais recevoir cette année et qui est lui aussi repoussé T1 2019 ! Sur les photos on dirait par contre que les plateaux font souples comme des feuilles, j'espère que c'est une illusion d'optique parce que ça serait vraiment dommage en plus du délai supplémentaire 😕 bon courage à HGG.

    33. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      @Alex: You can still log into your BK account to modify your address :)

    34. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      @Brett, Don't worry, I don't see these messages as anything other that discussion. As for the thickness it's a 300gr blackcore card with a Matt varnish. It may only look like a piece of paper on the photo but I can assure you that despite being card it has a nice heavy feel to it and the finishing is very, very nice. The fold down the middle does not hinder gameplay any more than one on punchboard would and, just like new punchboard, a quick bend when taking it out and it'll sit nice and flat on the table.

      I understand it's not making the game better, I think it would be foolish to even try and claim that. However, as I stated, it was a decision that had to be made. Despite this, the material does fit in with the rest overall and, once again, thinner card does not mean lower quality.

      In all honesty, we were very apprehensive to make this change at first, but after seeing the results, we're pretty convinced. Even though it would be foolish of us not to admit that board would have been better.

    35. Brett W. on

      @ Jamie - I am not whining, and I don't care to fight back and forth. It isn't 5 months...The original campaign said delivery in August. March comes seven months later. As I stated earlier this doesn't bother me at all. It does bother me when we change components(downgrade) to a lighter material so that shipping won't be higher than anticipated. The campaign states that the boards are 2mm. I never heard an answer to a previous question in these comments. What is the new thickness?? I agree with Christian I would pay an extra 5 bucks shipping to play on what I was promised. I would even live with a lid that doesn't quite sit flush. I do not want cardstock with a bend in the middle. Spin this how you want. It isn't making the game perfect...or even better.

    36. Christian Villarreal
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      on

      I would have paid extra to keep the player boards of the original quality. Release date doesn’t bother me.

    37. METADNA
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      on

      @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson this "feeling" is easy to avoid just need 2 recommanded storage mode with the same insert. Even if not all fit in one box , we can accommodate with all in two boxes

    38. Alex CheukHo Pang
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      on

      I may be relocated how can I change the address ?

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      Skinfaxi on

      While it's disappointing not to play Museum under the christmas tree, I salute you for your transparency and communication. I rather get a perfect game (especially regarding German translation) than a rushed one for christmas. So thanks for the update and take your time to make Museum a perfect experience.

    40. RicoFromLyon on

      Thank you Jamie! ^^

    41. Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson Collaborator on

      -> @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson: I don't remember if this has already been stated, but, out of curiosity, can you tell me what is the museum on the back of the 5th board?

      It’s Russia and China 😊

      -> But if it would cause you to go bankrupt, I wouldn't want that...

      Haha don’t worry, we are far from that stage. This really was a tactical choice based on the weight and size of the box, not the just the price.

      -> @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson It would be nice if publishers would think about this kind of detail, so we find ourselves with an "useless" insert & extension boxes, with the obligation to invest in custom insert again. Perhaps you could take advantage of this extra time to make the necessary adjustments

      I agree, and I think in the future our inserts will be even better. However, do bear in mind that we have, since the beginning, stated that we wouldn’t be able to fit everything (trust me I tried) because we knew it wouldn’t. Therefore, we did think of this kinda of detail despite not being able to do much about it in this case. Additionally, I always have a slight hesitation with box inserts that fit everything as I kinda feel it makes someone who didn’t buy everything feel “cheated” when they open a box and there’s a load of empty spaces.

      -> This will cause the cards to slide on the player boards while playing. I’m not happy with this change at all.

      We were worried about this as well, but with just a quick bend backwards at setup, they sit nice and flat :)

      -> @ Player boards: I had the pleasure to play a session with Holy Grail Games and the cardstock of the player boards is excellent. There was NO point during gameplay in which I had the impression "these would be better if they were cardboards". The fold in the middle did not show as much as on the pictures during the play session and they tested different materials to ensure the durability of the material on the fold line.

      Thank you very much for taking the time to write this ^^ Honestly I can understand people not wanting to take us at our word in this kind of situation so it really helps to have someone pitch in who has already seen the finished result.

      -> Add 1/4" to the box depth don't cheapen the player boards. This game looks great, and I can't wait to receive it, but this is not an upgrade, and we are not just three months late, this will make it seven, best case scenario. Which is still ok, but not downgrading components.

      It doesn’t cheapen the board, but it makes the box even bigger than it normally is, along with a lot of added weight. I know it’s not a upgrade and it was never our intention to try and spin it as such, however we did make this choice whilst keeping the overall play experience in mind.
      Also at this rate we’re going to be about 5 months late and, as we said above, that was taking a margin of error into account this time, so hopefully I won’t have to come back here and announce another delay.

    42. Brett W. on

      I agree 100% with what others are saying. I do not mind a little extra wait for a quality game, but card stock player boards is not what I signed on for, no matter how nice it is. Add 1/4" to the box depth don't cheapen the player boards. This game looks great, and I can't wait to receive it, but this is not an upgrade, and we are not just three months late, this will make it seven, best case scenario. Which is still ok, but not downgrading components.

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      Tim Jans on

      Thank you for the update and transparency :)

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      Tschäibi
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      @ Player boards: I had the pleasure to play a session with Holy Grail Games and the cardstock of the player boards is excellent. There was NO point during gameplay in which I had the impression "these would be better if they were cardboards". The fold in the middle did not show as much as on the pictures during the play session and they tested different materials to ensure the durability of the material on the fold line.

    45. METADNA
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      @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson it would be a great gesture in favour of your backers who still have to wait a significant delay!

    46. Craig Rice
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      The change to card stock for the player boards is VERY disappointing. Especially when they are folded in the middle. You can see in the picture the card stock is raised in the middle where it folds. This will cause the cards to slide on the player boards while playing. I’m not happy with this change at all. It will feel and look cheap compared to the rest of the game.

    47. METADNA
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      @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson It would be nice if publishers would think about this kind of detail, so we find ourselves with an "useless" insert & extension boxes, with the obligation to invest in custom insert again. Perhaps you could take advantage of this extra time to make the necessary adjustments

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      Adam Prentis on

      I'll just echo what's been said: I don't mind the wait, but thick cardboard player boards have a completely different vibe than cardstock. Better to get rid of the player discard tiles and make the boards cardboard again imho. But if it would cause you to go bankrupt, I wouldn't want that...

    49. RicoFromLyon on

      @Jamie "WhelpSlayer" Johnson: I don't remember if this has already been stated, but, out of curiosity, can you tell me what is the museum on the back of the 5th board?
      We have New-York, Berlin, Paris, London and Moscow for the front side.
      For the back side we have Cairo, Mexico, Rome, Sydney and....?
      Thanks!

    50. Thomas Haidvogl on

      Don't worry about the delay. I prefer to wait a little longer if this ensures, that the quality of the game will be improved.