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A demolition racing game with spectacular crashes, realistic driving physics and intense car building from the makers of FlatOut! Read more

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Funding for this project was canceled by the project creator on November 22, 2013.

A demolition racing game with spectacular crashes, realistic driving physics and intense car building from the makers of FlatOut!

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Everyone loves to serve their friends (or enemies!) some hard-hitting punishment in a multiplayer match, and in this blog update we shed some light on our multiplayer component:

In today’s blog update we’re going to talk a bit about multiplayer. It’s proven to be a very popular topic in our community, which is not surprising given that pretty much nothing beats giving your peers a proper beating in an old-fashioned, no holds barred derby match. We love that, and so do you! Needless to say, we’re going to pay a lot of attention to the multiplayer component of the game to make sure it’s something that everyone can get in and enjoy.

After our Upgrading upgraded blog post, there has been a lot of lively discussion on the forums on whether upgrades should be allowed in multiplayer. There are a lot of good arguments for and against upgrades in multiplayer, but the problem can be solved simply by giving the host the option to configure this. Everybody wins, right? That’s also in line with our goal of making hosted multiplayer events as customizable as possible.

The options between “No Upgrades” and “Whatever Goes” are not set in stone yet – some of the more obvious ideas mentioned are power cap and price cap, and they would both probably work fine. Single player career’s car classification system could also form a basis for this, but we’re also still testing on what works there.

During the summer and fall, we’ve been implementing a new lobby system. You’ll have a lobby browser and filters for finding the game you like, or you can of course create your own. Lobby and in-game (and loading screen too, cool!) text chat is already implemented, and a possibility of implementing a voice chat is being investigated. Don’t worry, if voice does get included, there will be an option to toggle it so you don’t have to fear hearing who did what with your mother last night. But then again, I’m just speculating since our community knows how to behave, doesn’t it?

Our core networking is based on peer-to-peer (P2P) architecture, which means every player connects to each other. This does incur its challenges since a lot of connections are needed, but we have a system in place where a third player can act as a relay if a direct connection cannot be established between two players.

During play, the game engines on each player’s computers are then run in sync, although there is of course some prediction and interpolation going on in regards to where the player is going, what is happening next and so on. This is done to make the movement fluid during the times when information is not available due to network latency. If some player starts going out of sync with the rest (e.g. due to horrendous lag or cheating), an internal voting mechanism between the computers handles disconnecting the offender.

One advantage that the P2P architecture has is that apart from the lobby server which announces the available games, there’s no need for dedicated servers. Note that this doesn’t rule out kicking for example, and one of the computers is still going to act as a host. However, since the host is mostly just a title given to someone and doesn’t involve much extra processing under the hood, it’s rather easy to seamlessly migrate to a new one if the original host gets disconnected for a reason or another.

Since the current server browser and lobby screens are currently full of programmer art, you’ll get this multiplayer flower (see the resemblance?) instead:

To save you the trouble, you can count 12 cars in that picture. We know some of you are hoping for more, and we’re definitely going to see what can be done. Sadly we can’t promise anything definite because there are many factors to be considered, and it’s not simply a matter of increasing a number somewhere in the code.

So, what next? At this point our top priorities regarding multiplayer are polishing the core in-race functionality as well as the lobby system. As such, we haven’t yet thought too much about different game modes, but they’ve not been forgotten. There have been a lot of wonderful suggestions in the forums, and we’ll take a closer look at all the ideas when we have the basics in place. Please do keep the suggestions coming in; your input is very important to us so that we can develop a game you want. And if later on something turns out to not work as well as we imagined, at least you get to say I told you!

Furthermore, we don’t yet know where the lobby server is going to be in the end. Steam would be an attractive option as it’s a robust, tried and tested system. But then again, that would obviously mean having Steam mandatory.

Comments

    1. Creator TPRJones on November 11, 2013

      If I may make a suggestion about multi-player, my group of friends is playing Ultimate Carnage a lot and we've got a custom rule we use about resets. No resetting unless in last place or ejected from the vehicle. If you get stuck you just have to wait someone unsticks you or everyone passes you. If you get turned around you can't just hit reset, you have to drive you way back onto the track. It makes pit maneuvers and crazy driving mean a lot more to the race, and gives it a certain edge that pounding reset just doesn't have.

      I would absolutely love if there were a multiplayer option in the new game to do something like that, to limit the ability to arbitrarily reset at thus increase the value of skillfully pushing you opponents off the road.

    2. Creator Tm4n on November 11, 2013

      What about LAN mode? Please make this possible! Since you already use P2P, all that's needed would be a different way to open a lobby, right?

    3. Creator MemoryKill on November 6, 2013

      My adive would be stick with and use steam for MP, as you said, it's tried and tested. HOWEVER for the single player, perhaps that could have an option for a none- DRM version as well? This would allow the inclusion of mods and modding to go unhindered...or if not, perhaps two different .exes for online/single player, so modding can still go ahead but it doesn't interfere with the MP component of "you are running modded content, MP in unavailable' issues that can happen. That's what i would like to see.

      As for game modes, MP gauntlet would be a great mode, a track that after each lap gets harder and harder with more traps and hazards the longer you play for, or perhaps and track that is just a longg almost endless straight path with the above applied, whoever lasts the longest wins or gets to the end etc, could be fun! Especially with those grinders, car crushers and spring traps like in the tech demo, mmm juicy!

    4. Creator Markus Hörzer on November 6, 2013

      12 is alot of cars on a tight track ;). I don't think more would be neccessary.