##### Elite: Dangerous

by Frontier Developments

1. ### Coz on December 26, 2012

Do we have a link to Kate's kickstarter project yet?

2. ### Arthur Morschakin on December 26, 2012

It would be reasonable to calculate how many percent of current pladge every backer should add to fund the game completely.

3. ### Commander Boz on December 26, 2012

Awesome. I got a sort of almost half-mention in passing in a conversation between two giants in the space sim world!

4. ### s4ingray on December 26, 2012

We don't need to guesstimate a percentage. The arithmetic is fairly straight forward:

£1,250,000 - £959,866 = £290,134 / 18,058 backers = £16.07 per backer. To be safe, as Michael said, it would be better if the increase would be £17 per person. :-)

5. ### Jon Ellison on December 26, 2012

I have just upped from £40 to £80 hope it helps

6. ### Frontier DevelopmentsCreator on December 26, 2012

@ Paul Davies

It's not been approved yet. I'll post as soon as she lets me know. In the meantime we have another book Kickstarter starting a new Elite: Dangerous novel : "Elite Chronicles" by C L. She's trying something a little different, not only is she crowd funding the book, she will be crowd writing it as well!

Check out more on her project page:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1483152934/elite-chronicles

7. ### Geoff Trueman on December 26, 2012

Long way to go in 9 days, can we appeal to kids who got money for Christmas?

8. ### Daniel Mordant on December 26, 2012

Allright I did my part, jontied from £105 to £155 :-)

9. ### Your average joe shmoe on December 26, 2012

I'm not usually the type to go around pointing out typos, but that's one hell of a mistake you've made in the Kate Russell interview.

10. ### Phil Hibbs on December 26, 2012

A bit worrying that Michael (the writer) doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're"!

11. ### Frontier DevelopmentsCreator on December 26, 2012

Writing and proof reading aren't the same thing :-)

Michael

12. ### Torstein Johnsen on December 26, 2012

Upgraded from £20 to £90. I really hope we hit the goal. *crossing fingers*

13. ### Morten Simonsen on December 26, 2012

Being unemployed does limit my support, but I'm up from 10£ to 35£ now.

Fingers crossed and happy holidays :-)

14. ### Robert Unger on December 26, 2012

Hi sorry for my English. But wasnt the amount of all further expansions at £90 and now u give it away at the amount of £85???
Would like to know because i am outside of England and the Pledge of £90 means £15 more for shipping.

TIA

Robert

15. ### Phil Hibbs on December 26, 2012

Good point, I have a friend who does a fair bit of writing for his job and his spelling is awefull!

16. ### Phil Hibbs on December 26, 2012

@Robert They added a digital-only pledge that gets all expansions for £85 and no shipping.

17. ### Phil Hibbs on December 26, 2012

Sorry I mean £80 not £85, but £85 gets an extra starting option

18. ### Robert Unger on December 26, 2012

@Phil. Thanks, i am a little confused over the time with all the new pledges. Whats about this starting Points can i allways i start a new Game start at another point? And whats abaout that secret system. Maybe my English is so bad i cant get the point.

Tia

Robert

19. ### Sami Saarnio on December 26, 2012

Hi Michael. You guys must lower the price for the full game (all upgrades) to about £50 and then you will get the backers you need. £80 for the full game is too much. It's more than any console game costs and much more than a PC game costs (about 30 euros). £80 is about 100 euros !! Besides, you will get many more customers along the way and you could do some micro payment stuff. But you need the initial backers first to do anything. Everything else looks great except price.

20. ### Your average joe shmoe on December 26, 2012

I didn't notice the "you're, your, or yoor" mistake. There's a more serious typo, unless I'm mistaken, and there was also an Ian Hall who worked on the original Elite.

21. ### Coz on December 26, 2012

Lets not descend into itsy-bitsy nitpicking. We all know the difference between 'your' and 'you're', it's fairly easy as we are typing to misuse them.

22. ### Coz on December 26, 2012

@ Sami - you can get a digital copy of the game for £20 - at present time of writing there are 46 slots available.

23. ### Trond Meier on December 26, 2012

Instead of Upping my £320 i made a new for £37 B-)

24. ### Your average joe shmoe on December 26, 2012

Paul, I would never nitpick over simple homophone mistakes. This is about one of the founders of Elite's name.

Unless I am wrong, Ian Hall's name is suspiciously close to where I'd expect to see Ian Bell's name.

25. ### Frontier DevelopmentsCreator on December 26, 2012

@ Sami Saarnio

£80 is not the full, £20 (if you are lucky enough to get a slot) or £30 is the full game. £80 gets you any expansions that are released, the book, the soundtrack plus other pledge rewards like some of the starting positions. A pretty good package.

Michael

26. ### Frontier DevelopmentsCreator on December 26, 2012

@ Robert Unger

The starting options are available as long as you have pledged at that reward level or higher, they provide a range of options you can choose between when starting a new game.

Michael

27. ### Martin Hague on December 26, 2012

why not get the Playstation community on board get it advertised on the PNS news service, I know your not going to release Elite on the console market yet but it wouldn't wont to get us existed about this as the gaming market has become stagnate

28. ### Jason Hall on December 26, 2012

@Creator @David Braben
Great work guys. Using quality classical music was genius in Elite and I believe Elgar,s Nimrod would be a fitting replacement for Ride of the Valkyrie. Perhaps the initial scene of someone leaving their first space station at the start of the game. Here is a sample to refresh your memories.
http://youtu.be/NhnMd1Jl7SA

29. ### David Bond [Mac 1.4m, +10 ships 1.5m] on December 26, 2012

Did anyone here back star citizen? I only ask because in the clip Chris Roberts promises to reach out to his community to help fund Elite: Dangerous, just wondering if that call to arms has happened yet.

30. ### Your average joe shmoe on December 26, 2012

It's a great piece of music. Both majestic and ethereal. I'm not too fussed about what they decide upon... as long as I get the Blue Danube when I'm approaching a space station.

31. ### Sengmand on December 26, 2012

Sounds like the economy could be a data mine.

32. ### Robert Unger on December 26, 2012

Thanks Michael

33. ### John Balke on December 26, 2012

@David Chris sent out the call back on the 18th.

http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/project-godus-and-elite-dangerous/

34. ### Frontier DevelopmentsCreator on December 26, 2012

@ David Bond

Chris Roberts has mentioned Elite: Dangerous in a few of his updates.

Michael

35. ### Andrea Doimo on December 26, 2012

I'm a day-1 pledger, and I've just upgraded it.
Please succeed, I really want to play it!

36. ### moorkh Superbacker on December 26, 2012

Nice one, but the hell is "Ian Hall" (interview...)?

37. ### Tomma on December 26, 2012

Will the game support HOTAS and TrackIR ? And will it be moddable ?

38. ### light487 - Kickstarter Junkie on December 26, 2012

I've already upped my pledge to 55GBP, which is about \$85AUD. That is the price of a premium, boxed game from a AAA developer/publisher. This is an acceptable amount for me. Upping to 85GBP would make it about \$132AUD, which more than a collector's edition would be.. \$85AUD is more than I have paid for any game in the last 2 years.. because I don't buy from brick and mortar stores any more and usually wait for sales. Even Far Cry 3, on release day, was half that amount.

Now to put it back into context:

\$85 for the full game, which includes some additional "bonus" stuff like starting points and boosts (Cobra Mk III ship and starting cash).
\$50 for "season pass" or all the future expansions, for life.

If you were to take \$10 off the \$50 amount to bring it inline with current market values and also \$25 off the \$85 to also bring it inline with current market values, that leaves \$35 (22GBP) of extra cash that is being "donated" or given to see the project get made.. not so much an investment as a pledge/donation to a good cause. So that's what it comes down to... is it worth another \$35 on top of my already generous pledge, to see this game made. Can I really justify, to myself not anyone else, donating \$35 to what is effectively a company that is in "it" not just to make a game but also to make a profit. Yes, there are a lot of good intentions here to get this dream game made, I acknowledge that it is not JUST about profit.. but it would be naive to suggest that profit did come into it at all.

So we are being asked to donate, as is the true nature of Kickstarter rather than a pre-order service, this extra cash with no actual return on our donation.. we can't even get a tax deduction, let alone a dividend return on those funds.

I'm on the fence at this point whether I want to part with that additional \$35 or not.

39. ### light487 - Kickstarter Junkie on December 26, 2012

Sorry.. I should say I'm not sure whether I want to part with another \$50-odd dollars, which would make my "donation" amount approx \$35.

40. ### light487 - Kickstarter Junkie on December 26, 2012

Not trying to be negative.. just thinking out loud my thought process in deciding whether or not to pledge more, so that Frontier can understand the reasoning (at least for one of us) behind it..

41. ### Lex Linfield on December 26, 2012

The future expansions and founders system access persuaded me to increase my pledge from £20 to £85. Really want to see this get made. I wiled away a *ridonkulous* amount of time on Frontier and First Encounters back in the day. :D Best of luck with the final push!

42. ### David Bond [Mac 1.4m, +10 ships 1.5m] on December 27, 2012

@light487 I can understand your point of view but I think you may be slightly mistaken (it may also turn out that you are right and I am wrong).

As I see it, yes Frontier Developments intends to profit from Elite Dangerous, what software house doesn't intend to profit from it's creations? However I believe that in this case, the profits will come from the retail sales of the game.

Disclaimer: the following post is based on assumptions and guesswork and is intended to show the thought processes behind my point of view. I have no knowledge of the pay structures within Frontier developments or any other developer for that matter.

Here's my thinking on this... In time past, as i understand it, a publisher would pay a developer an upfront to make a game to a certain deadline. This fee would have covered wages, equipment, etc; and as the publisher takes the Lion's share of retail profit, probably a certain amount of profit to the developer as well.

In the case of Elite: Dangerous there is no publisher, which means all the retail profits go back to Frontier Developments.

Now look at the timescale that has been set out for Elite: Dangerous, if everything goes according to plan, the scheduled release date (taken from pledge information) is march 2014 that's 15 months away. I don't know how many of Frontier's staff will be working on Elite: Dangerous but let's do some math...

Let us assume that a developer's wage/salary is based on UK minimum wage (£6.19/hour) and a working week of 40 hours this would give an annual salary of £12,875.20. Given that the game is estimated to take 15 months to produce, the cost per employee based on the above calculation would be £16,094.

Looking at the requested funding level of £1,250,000 if this was entirely spent on wages at the rates I have used above the developer would be able to employ a maximum of 77 full time, and one part time (24 hours/week) staff to work on the project. If the average wage were £25,000/ per annul, the Frontier would only be able to afford 40 developers.

Given that I expect Frontier pays above minimum wage, and that the requested money will also go towards funding hardware, advertising and overheads I feel confident that the money they have asked for will be spent on the game and that the profits they expect to make will be from retail sales after launch.

43. ### Tom OConnell [Blue lights on cop vipers] on December 27, 2012

@light487, my two penneth worth ;-), for me Elite Dangerous isn't like any standard retail release, with a regular game you'd get maybe 40 hours of gameplay before it's 'completed'. Given that E:D is completely open ended, with new add-ons being developed over time, and in effect 'free' multiplayer interaction it seems to me that represents reasonable value for £80.

If you do a simple math based on hours gameplay - a normal release = £40 for 40 hours gameplay = £1 per hour, I'd expect there will be far in excess of 80 hours gameplay in E:D

@Dave Bond - I'd expect developers to earn at least £30k, there will be graphic designers, sound engineers, project managers, testers, infrastructure/network/hardware analysts etc., a significant amount of resource costs would make up the 1.25 million in my opinion ;-)

44. ### Bromley86 on December 27, 2012

@light487. On the value to us of the free upgrades for life. I'm not sure what a single upgrade would cost, but I'd assume £15-£20 each (\$20-\$30 (I wasn't aware of this, but AUD=USD now!)). So there's a case to be made that Frontier have badly underpriced the expansions for life tier. Of course, there's risk etc, so if they had priced it "correctly", they'd have had far fewer takers.

(In case you think I'm lecturing you, I've yet to jonty up to that tier. :) )

45. ### Theta Sigma on May 28, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #126 - Friday, 27th May 2016
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The Engineers 2.1 and 1.6 Available Now!
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http://email-elitedangerous.com/3F35-8LOE-7132ZABOD0/cr.aspx
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The Engineers 2.1 Trailer - Elite Dangerous: Horizons
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Elite Dangerous: Horizons - Season Pass
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"This week, we’re launching Elite Dangerous 2.1 The Engineers and the 1.6 update, we’re celebrating with a new trailer, giving Xbox One Commanders the chance to pick up something new, catching up with the latest GalNet news and much more.

As always, you can hear the latest news and updates directly from the development team on our Forums, Twitter, Facebook, Community Homepage, and right here in the newsletter every week, and we're always eager to hear your feedback.

Pick up the Elite Dangerous: Horizons Season Pass today for only £19.99, €24.99, \$29.99 or RUB 1489."
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Fly Safe CMDRs!

46. ### Theta Sigma on June 13, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #127 - Friday, 3rd June 2016
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Horizons Highlights: The Engineers
The Engineers was launched last week at no additional charge to all those who own the Horizons season pass, and already we’re seeing some beautiful screenshots and videos.
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Plotting a route to Beagle Point just got that little bit easier, with the new bookmarks system. CMDR Gienkov has his route sorted…
http://i.imgur.com/creXfMy.png
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CMDR Klassic found this ‘poor little Condor’ floating alone in space… we can only wonder what happened here.
http://i.imgur.com/PwoGhPs.jpg
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According to CMDR Allerose, the New Huge Weapons are super effective… look at the mess they’ve left behind!
http://i.imgur.com/Y1m8JEc.png
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CMDR Paul Loachman visited Farseer Inc… he took this lovely panoramic screenshot.
http://i.imgur.com/Mr9h5vu.jpg
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Obsidian Ant uploaded this video detailing the FSD upgrades available via the Engineers.
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Elite Dangerous: Horizons Commanders on PC and Xbox One will receive further expansions at no extra cost as the season continues. Future gameplay updates will debut for PC and Xbox One simultaneously, bringing new activities and new ways to play on both platforms:
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• Ship-Launched Fighters, allowing larger spacecraft to carry their own short-range fighter craft for attack and defense.
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• Multicrew, allowing teams of Commanders to assume roles aboard the same ship.
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• Commander creation, giving a unique appearance to Commanders’ in-game avatars.
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What’s more, Xbox One Commanders who purchase Horizons before the 30th July will also get access to the Cobra Mk IV in game. This early incentive mirrors our pre order incentive previously offered to PC players. The Cobra Mk IV will be available in selected ship yards if you have access and will require in game credits to purchase.
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Elite Dangerous Newsletter #127 - Friday, 3rd June 2016
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Fly Safe CMDRs!

47. ### Theta Sigma on June 13, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #128 - Friday, 10th June 2016
http://email-elitedangerous.com/3F35-8T55-7132ZABOD0/cr.aspx
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• Ship Kits Live On the Frontier Store Now!
Head over to the Frontier Store to pick up our new ship kits for the Sidewinder, Eagle, and Cobra. These kits will give your ship a completely unique look, with hundreds of combinations available to experiment with.
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You can mix and match the pieces on the ship, to get the exact look you want and the pieces will change colour to react to the paint job you’re using. There are more examples of the ship kits in use on the store page..
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• Horizons Highlights: The Engineers
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We’re always impressed by the screenshots and videos our community post on social media and our forums… here’s a collection of a few of our favourites from this week.
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- Ace pilot Isinona returns with his Flight Assist Off Series, adding a new rule to celebrate the launch of 2.1 The Engineers – no insurance rebuys allowed. If he dies, a massive part of his fortune dies with him...
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- Bolt vanderhuuge posted this stunning screenshot… something you could only ever see in Elite Dangerous: Horizons.
https://imgur.com/a/QRcSY
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- Obsidian Ant continues his journey to the edge of the galaxy, and visits a few planets in “the Desolation Ridge”.
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• The Dangerous games Update and Stream
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The Dangerous Games Wildcard Community Goals have kicked off with a bang. After a long week of Gold mining the groups have battled it out for points in the first of the three challenges they will face.
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• Powerplay Annual Summary
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CMDR Corrigendum takes a look back at the first year of Powerplay, digging deep into the political struggles of the last 12 months.
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Elite Dangerous Newsletter #128 - Friday, 10th June 2016
http://email-elitedangerous.com/3F35-8T55-7132ZABOD0/cr.aspx
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Fly Safe CMDRs!

48. ### Theta Sigma on June 17, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #129 - Friday, 17th June 2016
http://email-elitedangerous.com/3F35-91K2-2433Y32QA1/cr.aspx
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This week we're showing off some incredible community creations, including a must-see live action short movie, we're telling you about some of the tweaks and changes we've implemented thanks to community feedback, taking a little trip in an Orca with some Elite Dangerous-style space tourism and much more.
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• Horizons Highlights
We’re always impressed by the screenshots and videos our community post on social media and our forums… here’s a collection of a few of our favourites from this week.

This live action short film made by the Eranin People's Film Board does an amazing job of putting an intriguing story behind a simple in-game mission. It perfectly captures the mood of Elite Dangerous and we applaud everyone involved for their brilliant work. We know we're not alone when we say that we'd love to see more.
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Recusant1 heard rumours of a battlecruiser arriving at Merope 2A and journeyed to the system to get photographic evidence in order to confirm it's arrival. People on Reddit are busy speculating as to the reason for its arrival.
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CMDR Zindae quickly found out that it was a bad idea to shoot upon the Cruiser as backup arrived swiftly to protect it.
https://gfycat.com/RealHideousArmednylonshrimp
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CMDR Kronek decided to keep it peaceful, with a tip to Messier 78
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• The Engineers Update
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Earlier this week we put out a server update that brought some requested changes to the game.

Local news articles were added at the Engineers bases to help direct players to locations where they are able to source the materials they need. In addition we increased the amount of materials you can hold from 600 to 1,000 and increased the amount of Data you can hold from 200 to 500 units.

Alongside these changes we also made some adjustments to the requirements to unlock a couple of the Engineers. Specifically, we reduced the required number of rare goods to unlock them down to 50 tonnes. We also adjusted the availability of rare goods in the galaxy slightly, too. States will still change the allocation of rares but the numbers are more favourable than they were.

The development team worked incredibly hard over the recent week’s and are always looking at and reviewing the feedback from the community. There will be an additional point update coming soon which will also include a number of fixes and changes based on feedback from the community. We’ll have some more news on that soon.

See the original post here:
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• Tourism - Location, Location, Location
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The graceful Orca will finally get the love and attention it deserves, as passenger gameplay is coming as part of the next major content update to Elite Dangerous: Horizons.
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We'll have much more information on 2.2 in the coming weeks, so keep an eye on our social media channels and our weekly newsletter to find more.
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One aspect of Passenger Gameplay will be Tourism, so we're building a massive database of the best tourist hotspots in the galaxy. There's nobody who knows the galaxy better than our intrepid explorers, so we're asking for a helping hand from our Commanders to make the location database as thorough and complete as possible!
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Executive Producer Michael Brookes has arranged a competition on our forums where you can submit a location to be used in the game. If the location you submit gets used, your CMDR name will be added in-game in connection with the chosen location.
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You can see all of the details, and find out exactly how you can get involved, by visiting the original forum post:
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• EDC Commonwealth Codebreaker Event
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The EDC Commonwealth are arranging a massive code breaking event, where participants will have to answer a series of questions in order to win prizes. See the original post here to find out how you can get involved.
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• GalNet Focus
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• The Danger Zone CQC Livestream
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• HCS Voicepacks - Obsidian
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The guys at HCS voicepack have launched their latest addition to the collection, with YouTuber Obsidian Ant!
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You can watch the trailer for the pack below, made by Obsidian Ant himself... how fitting.
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From the site - "Obsidian - Over a thousand responses including Ai "Jazz" for the Galaxapedia & Constellations."
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• Reddit AMA Series
• Community Goals Update
• Comms Chatter
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Elite Dangerous Newsletter #129 - Friday, 17th June 2016
http://email-elitedangerous.com/3F35-91K2-2433Y32QA1/cr.aspx
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Fly Safe CMDRs!

49. ### Theta Sigma on June 18, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #129 - Friday, 17th June 2016
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50. ### Theta Sigma on July 3, 2016

Elite Dangerous Newsletter #130 - Friday, 24th June 2016
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Greetings Commander,
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Welcome to the Elite Dangerous Newsletter #130.
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This week we take a look at some great content from the community in our Horizons Highlights, bring you important news about upcoming changes and adjustments to The Engineers and give you all the details of our huge Summer sale.
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As always, you can hear the latest news and updates directly from the development team on our Forums, Twitter, Facebook, Community Homepage, and right here in the newsletter every week, and we're always eager to hear your feedback.
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Pick up the Elite Dangerous: Horizons Season Pass today for only £13.39, €16.74, \$20.09 or RUB 997,63.
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Fly Safe CMDRs!