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    1. Creator Theta Sigma about 2 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Looks like Cambridge was basking in glorious sunshine today, too :)

      http://imgur.com/ZaavEk6

    2. Creator Theta Sigma about 4 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc

      It's a pity that a few people missed a million (trillion) miles of fun because they felt Frontier tried to steal their sunshine :-(

      https://www.youtube.com/watch…

    3. Creator deusx_ophc about 8 hours ago

      well i am certainly enjoying the new found summer!

      @Theta Sigma are you basking in glorious sunshine, too? ;p

    4. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @All E:D Backers

      So, this is pretty sweet, and a very good (v)indication backers' predictions about E:D's public reception were correct all along:

      Steamcharts:

      June Avg. Players increase has almost entirely wiped out May's Avg. player decrease

      May -21.22%
      Last 30 days +21.11%

      E:D is now back to the Avg. Player numbers seen over the entire release month: ~0% change

      Tha's showing very strong Evergreen behaviour, I'd say.
      For reference, GTAV:

      May -51.55%
      Last 30 days -47.24%

      That's -75% on April's Avg (Huge Blockbuster)

      The only question remaining is just how much E:D June's Avg. Players will increase upon April's unrepresentatively high "honeymoon" Avg. Players :)

      http://imgur.com/P5yaEGp

      http://steamcharts.com/app/359320

      Oh, and after all those boring stats, a bit of lighthearted #comedygold :)

      Wyzak on April 4:
      "Oh and Theta Sigma, I'm ecstatic about the steamcharts. Finally we now have independently verifiable information showing game time. So sure, the game has a massive surge just after it was released on Steam. But let's see how long they can keep up that momentum. That would be a far more accurate metric than anything else and would also give an indication of how the non-steam backers are sticking or dropping out of supercruise? Or will you find some excuse to deny that it is a representative sample of the whole community when the results end up not being in your favour?"

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "[Steamcharts] far more accurate metric than anything else"

      Certainly.

      "independently verifiable"

      Indeed. I _completely_ agree, Wyzak.

      (...or perhaps you'll come up with a new conspiracy/version of reality in which Frontier have shoved a brown envelope in Valve's direction as the "far more accurate metric than anything else" doesn't fit with your particular view of the world?)

      "let's see how long they can keep up that momentum."

      How about, "...at least three months with Avg. Players still rising at the end of that period" (?)

      "representative sample of the whole community"

      Yep. "Representative" in precisely the same way that ex-backers aren't, man.

      "...or will you find some excuse to deny that" ?

    5. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Jörn Huxhorn

      June 22nd
      "Oh yes, I'm definitely still interested in the 30-day average numbers. Sale is now over and still 9 days until end of month."

      How's that working out for you? :)

    6. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc

      #comedygold :)

      Wyzak on June 17:

      "Enjoy the little things I guess. Calling a 0.75% player gain in a month a win after they released steam keys to the how many thousands of backers and +0.75% is all they have to show for it."

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Note the date: 17th June, 11 days ago.

      28th June:
      Update number 15 (...to 2)
      The +19.11% 30-day average

      All-but wiping out the _entirety_ of the much-hyped-on-here previous month's decline (Jörn?: ) and with 3 full days to go until month-end (...including a _full_ Sunday :)

      http://imgur.com/LiQJH7g

      So, Wyzak, a 25-fold increase in the positively-increasing 30-day average percentage over just an 11 day period.

      Big things have small beginnings...

      Is that another avenue that's just turned into a cul-de-sac?
      One wonders what the next dead-end route will be - perhaps over-hyping beta-bugs in the Game Preview of XB1 release as though it's the final release?

    7. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc

      My pleasure mate, thought you'd appreciate the Ian Dury/(Lave) Orbital TIE-in :)

    8. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma well thank you! that was very considerate, i didn't know of that video. fantastisch!! maybe in keeping with the new musical theme, how about some advice to our pent up & angry commentators?

      open up! https://vimeo.com/68515433

      ED is very much a niche title, as those steam figures and everything else we know shows. but as said many moons ago, the aim is to hit a quality resonance over time and let's see where ED will go form there.

      #planetcoaster will do much more as earner over the short term. and is mid term the main reason why those shares are good value currently. luckily this comments section will be staying for the long run.

      the doomsayers during the middle lull of the ks campaign offer some great reading material already. and evidently here is more comedy gold in the making ^^

      have a great sunny sunday everyone!!

    9. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      Update number 14 (...to 2)
      The +17.53% 30-day average

      Could it be that June's gains are about to negate May's losses entirely, and perhaps even exceed them?

      #continualdecline

      http://imgur.com/BjsnMyq

    10. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Thx man. Hit me! (Oi!)
      Here's something for you - at least one reason to be cheerful :)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch…

    11. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma now that is what i call reasonable - THARGOIDS ^^

    12. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      There's a lot of talk on here from you, and others, about how badly E:D/Frontier are doing.

      In the interests of reasoned discussion, here are some quick questions for you that can hopefully serve as a basis for further intelligent, rational discussion:

      What are your estimates of:

      1. Average daily figure of E:D unit Steam sales

      2. Net revenue to Frontier per Steam E:D unit sold
      (please apply Valve cut - and feel free to communicate and apply your own estimate of the value of Valve cut %)

      3. Average daily revenue in £ to Frontier from E:D Steam sales (after Valve cut removed)

      It would also be interesting to hear estimates from others, too, if anyone else is interested in a rational, reasoned debate about this subject.

    13. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      Update number 13 (...to 2)
      The +16.90% 30-day average

    14. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Given all the previous comments from myself and others regarding your baseless conjectures, hypotheses and conspiracy theories it is most interesting to note that you are also a Kickstarter backer of:

      'JackPair: secure your voice phone calls against wiretapping'

      Are you also a big Gene Hackman fan?

    15. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigmga
      "So there's all these people wanting refunds..."
      If you say so. You're the one who works for Frontier, not me.

    16. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      ...there's at least one other possible reason they're "unfiled" - can you guess what the most likely reason is, Oldschool? :)

    17. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "unfiled"

      ..and you know this, how? :)

      "I don't claim"

      Right. So there's all these people wanting refunds... but you make no claim of the number. At all.

      Great stuff, Oldschool.

    18. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      Do remember that for most backers it is only $30

      Average pledge ~£60

      £ != $
      £1 > $1

      $30 ~ £19
      £60 ~ $94

    19. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      "1. Where are all the negative Steam reviews from backers who allegedly hate the game?"
      Unfiled. As I'm sure you know, one has to endure hours of play before Steam will let you post your review.
      .
      "2. How many backers do you claim wanted refunds? "
      I don't claim. I can completely understand a backer who realises he's been conned by Frontier deciding he want no further contact with the company, ever, including asking for a refund. Do remember that for most backers it is only $30.

      "We know less than 100 received refunds, "
      Still waiting for your "demonstration" on that one, Mr Frontier PR man.

    20. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      1. Where are all the negative Steam reviews from backers who allegedly hate the game?

      2. How many backers do you claim wanted refunds?
      We know less than 100 received refunds, but how many additional backers wanted refunds but just never recorded them.

      Surely if the number in 2. is as large as you claim, the number in 1. would be correspondingly large.

    21. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      "demonstrably - vast majority of the 25,681 original backers _still_ support the project" .
      Still waiting for your demonstration, Mr Frontier PR man.
      .
      "demonstrably, less than 100 backers bothering about getting refunds".
      And let's see that demonstration too.

    22. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "Not refunded does not mean supporting the project."

      Yes. That is true, and I agree with you 100% (...and I don't automatically disagree with you simply because you hold a differing opinion to me - see how that can be done?)

      However, there is little to no evidence of hoards of backers who have withdrawn their support for this project, either.

      In addition, there are upwards of 500,000 purchasers of the game, rising Steam average players, 79% positive reviews on Steam and so on.

      Let's just indulge you for a minute and say that more than half of the original backers absolutely hate the game and have withdrawn their support - the best way for them to do this to hit Braben in the Onionhead would be to obtain their free Steam keys - you know, the keys that would never be delivered - and write scathing reviews of how much they hate what this game has become, how it isn't what they thought they were backing _at all_, and blah, blah, blah.

      If what you purport to be the case is true, we'd expect upwards of ten thousand negative reviews on Steam.

      Yet Steam shows 79% positive reviews (2773) and 697 negative reviews.

      [chirping crickets]

    23. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Where are all these people wanting refunds?

      [leans head out of the window, hears crickets chirping]

    24. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor: To clarify further "Obsess much?" was a statement of my opinion of them posed in the form of a question, this is known as a rhetorical question. It is not a question I expected or wanted an answer to.

    25. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      ""Where's the demonstration that the vast majority of backers support this project?" The most illuminating way to answer this question is to turn the question on its head and instead consider how many of the 25,681 original backers either applied for, or received refunds?"

      I think the most illuminating way to answer this question is to turn you on your head and see how much of Mr Braben's money falls out of your pockets. Because as you know full well, refund figures are irrelevant. Not refunded does not mean supporting the project.

      Meanwhile you are the one claiming "demonstrably - vast majority of the 25,681 original backers _still_ support the project" . So where is your demonstration, Mr Frontier Developments?

    26. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor: "Obsess much?" is not intended to be a bait. They clearly are obsessed and delusional too.

    27. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "Where's the demonstration that the vast majority of backers support this project?"

      The most illuminating way to answer this question is to turn the question on its head and instead consider how many of the 25,681 original backers either applied for, or received refunds?

      Even after extensive publicity across the world's press and especially its gaming press - as I've pointed out before: _who_ with even the remotest interest in gaming doesn't hear about offline-gate? - a grand total of less than 100 original backers obtained a refund. Even with the "support" of the disgraced 'Elite Dangerous Refunds Group' aiding and advising on "legal" issues, the figure is still less than 100.

      If there were any feasible legal case against Frontier at all, _surely_ if any unsatisfied refunders remained, one would entirely expect very public, media-reported ongoing legal battles to this day with Frontier (the press and public love this kind of thing) to obtain refunds for the remaining backers who were left wanting with regards to their refunds.

      Yet the figure remains at less than 100 refunds, and there are no reported ongoing legal battles.

      So...

      Conclusions:
      - Less than 100 backers were bothered enough to obtain refunds.
      - If there _are_ any more backers out there who want refunds, the fact they have not received them despite the weight of the law being applied to Frontier strongly suggests that there is actually no legal case at all, and any refunds already given were simply goodwill/badwill gestures or the crazy certainty of being able to obtain a credit-card chargeback for literally anything these days, even if you received the goods.

      Where are all these people wanting refunds? The only thing we hear these days on the subject is from ex-backers who received their refunds and still can't stop going on about it.

      Therefore, a tiny minority of less than half a percent of backers cared enough about offline-gate to chase a refund.

      The remainder are either original backers who still support the product, or original backers who don't give two critically damaged twin-ion-engines' thrust about offline-mode.

      Either way, the lack of demonstration of support for offline-gate (with, demonstrably, less than 100 backers bothering about getting refunds) tells us all we need to know about the allegiance of the vast majority of the other 25,581+ backers.

    28. Creator Michael Taylor 4 days ago

      @Harbinger
      Nah, it was name calling with a little "Obsess much?" baiting at the end.

      Dramatic irony, the device of giving the spectator an item of information that at least one of the characters in the narrative is unaware of (at least consciously), thus placing the spectator a step ahead of at least one of the characters.
      Troll post about trolling behaviour. Me as the spectator.

    29. Creator Michael Taylor 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma

      Not sure what you're getting at there - are you saying I'm ignoring facts and I'm calling out both sides behaviour because those facts don't interest me / support my world view?

      Is that directed at me? If so, what are these 'facts' that I've ignored? All I've commented about is the spirited defence of FDev's actions regarding ditching offline displayed by some people here and the direction the game, to me, seems to be taking post release.

    30. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor:
      "Responding to a troll does not make you a troll in turn... unless you use language like "disgruntled Offlinegate whiner". Name calling. Baiting. Sound familiar? Hence > Irony"
      -
      Nope it still doesn't make it ironic in any sense of the definition. "disgruntled Offlinegate whiner" is a descriptive term for them and an extremely accurate one at that.
      -
      Anyway I'm going to go back to lurking and leave the ex-backers (better?) to continue wasting their time posting conspiracy theories to the few visitors this comments section gets on a regular basis.

    31. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      "Given that, by far, the most significant product that Frontier have released since stock-market flotation (ever?) is Elite:Dangerous, how can we not associate the 2.3x increase in share price following the low-point _a_full_year_prior_to_release _not_ in some way be attributed to the release of Elite:Dangerous?"
      Easy. We attribute the rise in share price BEFORE RELEASE to the fact people believed Braben's claims about the game he was going to deliver BEFORE RELEASE. Now that we are AFTER RELEASE of a piss-poor cut down excuse for what Braben promised, people have wised up about both the quality of the game and the reliability of Mr Braben. So the share price is going down and down.
      .
      "a project for which the - demonstrably - vast majority of the 25,681 original backers _still_ support the project"
      Where's the demonstration that the vast majority of backers support this project? "In my imagination" is not an acceptable answer :-)

    32. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor

      It's a valiant effort, but when you reach the point in a "discussion" where you start to ignore the facts and instead resort to 'calling out' the behaviour of those on one side who are displaying the self-same behaviour of those on the other side, then it's pretty clear that the facts are not really of interest any more to you, most probably because they no longer (if they ever did?) support your world view.

    33. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      FDEV share price is currently:

      35% higher than original float price
      2.3 times higher than the all-time low price
      (...which was 12 months prior to E:D release)

      Tell me again how are these figures are not good?

      Given that, by far, the most significant product that Frontier have released since stock-market flotation (ever?) is Elite:Dangerous, how can we not associate the 2.3x increase in share price following the low-point _a_full_year_prior_to_release _not_ in some way be attributed to the release of Elite:Dangerous?

    34. Creator Michael Taylor 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma

      Nah, it's called the "duck test". A rose by any other name...

      (Am I doing this right?)

      I've followed this comment section since its inception and the recent 'discussion' over the last half-year? I don't think anyone can take the moral high ground, that "troll-like behaviour" you mention is evident from both sides. Once you get to name calling, you might as well give up, it's not going anywhere.

      The only reason I kept reading this page is that I think it's like those Imperial Japanese Army soldiers still defending their isolated Pacific islands, decades after WW2 ended and everyone else had moved on.
      I'll leave it up to you to decide who are the staunch defenders in this scenario.

    35. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor

      Nah, it's called "responding in kind"

      Elite backers are people, and people tend to respond in a similar manner to the manner in which they are continually provoked. That's called "human nature".

      Deliberate provocation of backers over a period of months, followed up by calling backers out for such a response after months of provocation by ex-backers is what constitutes "troll-like behaviour".

      Especially ironic is the bleating of ex-backers that this has started to occur after months of ex-backers hijacking the backers' comments section leading to most backers having left the ex-backers to their own devices.

    36. Creator Michael Taylor 4 days ago

      @Harbinger - Responding to a troll does not make you a troll in turn... unless you use language like "disgruntled Offlinegate whiner". Name calling. Baiting. Sound familiar? Hence > Irony

    37. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      irony, noun.

      happening in a way contrary to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this

      How closely does that describe ex-backers posting conjecture and negativity to a backers' comments section many months after having received a refund for a product they no longer support?

      Furthermore the comments of ex-backers certainly seem to typically elicit wry amusement from those still using the comments section for its expected purpose.

    38. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Harbinger

      "Responding to a troll does not make me one in turn, it does however make me a fool because you know what they say about feeding trolls right?"

      ^ this

      These thoughts have run through my head pretty much every time I've reached for the keyboard to logically analyse and deconstruct the absurd conjecture spread by certain others on here over the past [seems like an eternity]

      In addition, how ironic is it (that on a Kickstarter backers' comments section on a project for which the - demonstrably - vast majority of the 25,681 original backers _still_ support the project) that to express continuing support for the project is ridiculed as troll-like behaviour by the tiny minority who no longer support the project?

      Amazing.

    39. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      Update number 12 (...to 2)
      The +15.24% 30-day average

      Oh noes! Dropped a tad from the previously reported +15.41%

      But guess what?
      It's the weekend (...and we all know what that does to online player numbers :)

      Have a good one, CMDRs!

    40. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor:
      There's no irony involved unless that is you get your definition of irony from Alanis Morissette where she sings an entire song about it and never describes irony once. I've not been here for the last 7 months straight trolling so it's not ironic.
      -
      Responding to a troll does not make me one in turn, it does however make me a fool because you know what they say about feeding trolls right?

    41. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @deusx_ophc
      "in any case, the value figures of the backer app have been erratic since day one."
      You have some evidence of that?
      .
      "shares are at a great value"
      Ha ha! FDEV shares are getting better value all the time! As the price drops!
      .
      http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB00BBT32N39GBGBXASQ1.html…
      .
      The share price took a dive last year when FDEV reneged on shipping the promised ED game. It dropped again when they announced staff layoffs in January. Again on the news that the Xbox version was being launched unfinished, bug-riddled and sold cheap. Dropped again on this last trading update showing ED has made a loss of millions. In fact it is now down over a quarter since Braben sold £4m of his own shares at the time he screwed his Kickstarter backers.
      .
      Have a think on this. What does Braben and the stock market know that you don't?

    42. Creator Michael Taylor 4 days ago

      @Harbinger - do you see the irony in declaring someone an obsessive troll on a long dead Kickstarter page 7 months after the event by calling them names on that self-same long dead Kickstarter page 7 months after the event?

    43. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner They don't have any obligation to tell kickstarter backers anything about their financials post release. But you're not a "backer" anyway, you ceased to be one the moment you accepted that £100 refund.
      -
      You're just a disgruntled Offlinegate whiner who trolls a long since dead kickstarter page spreading conspiracy theories some 7 months after the event. Obsess much?

    44. Creator deusx_ophc 4 days ago

      @Theta Sigma oh i do love THAT (cognitive dissonance) word, takes me back to school economics class nearly 30 years ago

      @oldschool Shadowrunner hey, in any case, the value figures of the backer app have been erratic since day one. again, how about you wait until mid september for the full annual report or even longer and ask for exact figures at the agm, they might just provide them. shares are at a great value and there should be plenty of time to report your voting rights ^^

    45. Creator Theta Sigma 4 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner once again you're revealing the enormous cognitive dissonance in your head surrounding economics and business sense.

    46. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Harbinger
      "Likely in Frontier's bank account."
      Then Frontier has been putting out false figures for the Raised amount for months. So why you believe ANY of Frontier's figures?? Why did you suggest the discrepancy was down to "Valve/Microsoft take payment and obviously settle up with Frontier, perhaps on a monthly basis."??
      .
      " They never had any obligation to update the "raised" figure on the backers app whenever they received a payment from Valve."
      They have the same obligation to tell the truth to backers as they've always had. They used £1.5m of backer's money to fund this game, remember.

    47. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Harbinger
      "Likely in Frontier's bank account."
      .
      Then Frontier has been putting out false figures for the Raised amount for months. So why you believe ANY of Frontier's figures?? Why did you suggest the discrepancy was down to "Valve/Microsoft take payment and obviously settle up with Frontier, perhaps on a monthly basis."??

      " They never had any obligation to update the "raised" figure on the backers app whenever they received a payment from Valve."
      They have the same obligation to tell the truth to backers as they've always had. They used £1.5m of backer's money to fund this game, remember.

      They never had any obligation to update the "raised" figure on the backers app whenever they received a payment from Valve. "
      OK, so

    48. Creator Harbinger 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor: You're not exactly missing anything with regards to the backers forum anyway, there is nothing going on in there post release.

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner
      "For the 2½ months of Steam sales, your theory doesn't make sense. If Valve are paying Frontier on a monthly basis, where are the millions of pounds that should have already come through?"
      -
      Likely in Frontier's bank account. They never had any obligation to update the "raised" figure on the backers app whenever they received a payment from Valve. The fact that we ever had access to information about their raised income from their core income stream at all is an oddity being that they are a PLC.

    49. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 4 days ago

      @Michael Taylor
      " I've never asked for a refund.. my backers page does not show any figures either"
      Cheers mate. So Frontier has removed the figures from everyone. Unless anybody here has counter evidence.
      .
      @Harbinger
      "Valve/Microsoft take payment and obviously settle up with Frontier, perhaps on a monthly basis.
      Increase of just £299,050 but 192,223 new backers. Do you believe they've been selling Elite: dangerous at £1.55 per copy for the last 2½ months or is my theory the most plausible reason for the "raised" value not incrementing by a great deal?"
      .
      For the few days of Xbox sales, yes I believe they've been "selling" ED at average £1.55 or less. They're giving the game on free trial. £1.55 average is what you'd expect from a ton of xBoxers taking the free trial and only a few buying.
      .
      For the 2½ months of Steam sales, your theory doesn't make sense. If Valve are paying Frontier on a monthly basis, where are the millions of pounds that should have already come through?

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