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    1. Creator Theta Sigma about 2 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      "@Theta Sigma - "we can get back to the current, objective facts about Elite:Dangerous." - it can only be objective once you have shown that you don't have a conflict of interest."

      Your statement does display incredible irony, and I reckon unintentionally so...

      Would you say that:

      1. Your repeated attempts, over a period of many months, to dissuade people from purchasing Elite:Dangerous, questioning everything about the game, the company, its directors etc. are completely and utterly objective?

      2. Your motives for continually posting one-sided "observations" of many and varied aspects of this project often completely unrelated to the offline decision are in some way related to your reaction to the offline decision?

      If your motives are anything other than objectivity in 1. (and the concrete evidence of your many failed predictions does indeed strongly support the view that you are _not_ being objective) then, in fact, it is you who has the clear conflict of interest.

      Conversely, as an original backer of this Kickstarter, I have no conflict of interest, at all:
      As a backer of this Kickstarter, by definition, my original (and continuing) aim was (and is) to see this project succeed.

      By your reasoning, however, _any_ backer, of _any_ Kickstarter project posting supporting evidence of the success of the project and/or refuting outlandish claims as they occur (and which, with the passage of time turn out to have been completely untrue - see List of 8) apparently has a "conflict of interest" in wanting to see those projects succeed. (Really?)

      I know from experience that you're quite the fan of questionnaires and surveys.
      With that in mind:

      1. Am I an original backer of Elite:Dangerous?
      Yes.

      2. Do I still support the project?
      Yes.

      3. Does this imply that I have a vested interest in the project?
      Only if all Kickstarter backers have similarly "vested" interests.

    2. Creator deusx_ophc about 3 hours ago

      @el_tel
      hehe, excellent! all i got to was a few lines assembler and peek & pokes. there was also, distant memory, some turbo pascal?! somehow being digital native passed by me :/

    3. Creator el_tel about 7 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc
      I wrote a legendary and landmark gaming title - It was called Pest Spray and was published in Sinclair Programs :)

      It took me ages to write because there were around 100 lines of BASIC code.

    4. Creator deusx_ophc about 11 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner
      yeah we all have written a few legendary and landmark gaming titles, while running our own public company. and of course raspberry pi - pi in the sky right, pffft!

      to you & me that comes easy. we do it all the time.

      but most nights/days we spend on one of these internet sites typing away, really educating people how to do it. because, you know, typing we are kind of good at.

      isn't it ^^

    5. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 11 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc - "Or maybe it is just a Kate herself says One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat" Hey I pulled out about half a dozen inflammatory sentences here! If you want any more you'll have to do you're own pulling. :-)
      .
      "from all i have seen they are a very hard working bunch." Yes I agree. That makes it all the more sad that what they've produced is so bad. They really had no idea what they were getting into. They've never managed to finish a big game in the whole histry of the company. Look at First Encounters. Look at Outsider. All they can do for themselves is shallow collections of mini-games for kids. With animals and coasters. So what they did for a space game was a shallow collection of mini-games with animals changed to spaceships and coasters changed to planets. Tragic.

    6. Creator deusx_ophc about 11 hours ago

      just in case it wasn't clear what poor kate (sry for dragging you into this backwater, it is worse than slough! ) said:

      "I have absolute confidence we’ll still be playing @EliteDangerous a year from now” on 23. June 2015

    7. Creator deusx_ophc about 12 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Or maybe it is just a Kate herself says "One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat and used along with my name as a headline to boost some sad attention-seekers upvotes on Reddit doesn’t bother me in the slightest. But I hope the people at Frontier who might have seen that post get to see this one as well. Because they are people who work incredibly hard on something we all feel passionate about. And they are the ones who get my upvote."

      Kerrash is also not on the FDEV payroll. he has been asked by them to promo/demo and no wonder, his enthusiasm for all things elite is infectious. you could use some of that yourself shadowrunner. so kerrash you can expect FDEV paying travel expenses and maybe some compensation, but no salary. he has a job to make a living.

      but i take your point, he will defend them where he can. and why not? from all i have seen they are a very hard working bunch. surely prudent and in fact OLDSCHOOL in their approach but learning fast from being 3rd? party developer to publisher.

      but all this is little to you. you have been let down in a matter so close to your heart and there is little anyone but you can do about this.

      sorry :/

    8. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 12 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc -Yeah, looks like Kate Russell did a u-turn after some serious backlash for saying what she thinks of the poo that is Elite Dangerous. Probably an email storm of hate from the ED fanbois. Here's another quote from her in that discussion: ""A shame a shame I hope David Braben listens to this and maybe goes Oh I've been a bit of a fool really. But I doubt it."
      .
      Ad for that response from Kerrash, don't forget that he works for Frontier.

    9. Creator deusx_ophc about 12 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma oh damn! thanks for helping out there mate. didn't even notice it before you mentioned it.

      i blame copy & paste ^^

    10. Creator Theta Sigma about 12 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      If you feel aggrieved and decide to report deusx_ophc for not being respectful or considerate, please bear in mind that Kate Russell's comments were not aimed at anyone in particular but rather "sad attention-seekers" in the general sense.

    11. Creator deusx_ophc about 13 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner and again you are just using your shock & awe style with linking only the "juice" part of what Kate actually said. only in the context that you want to use it.

      as you full well know Kate herself posted various comments on how she has 1) been taken out of context and 2) put the record straight

      anyone that wants to read the full context follow below ^^

      http://katerussell.co.uk/opinion-i-have-absolute-confidence-well-still-be-playing-elitedangerous-a-year-from-now/

      tl:dr

      "One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat and used along with my name as a headline to boost some sad attention-seekers upvotes on Reddit doesn’t bother me in the slightest. But I hope the people at Frontier who might have seen that post get to see this one as well. Because they are people who work incredibly hard on something we all feel passionate about. And they are the ones who get my upvote."

    12. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 13 hours ago

      @Wyzak - "So they've dropped the timed exclusive, but with seamingly no mention of it coming to
      other previously unannounced platforms?"
      .
      You got it. A month ago Braben's announcement of the timed exclusive said PS4 would follow. In an interview I saw with him from E3, when asked about PS4 he said "I can't talk about that".

    13. Creator el_tel about 15 hours ago

      You're right OS, I hadn't checked. Basically because I couldn't be bothered. But this goes to show that not doing the research can lead to trouble. One thing is certain - waiting for the the ofiicial figures in September is the only way of knowing for definate what FD's financial position is, and frankly I couldn't care less what it was in the past.

      Until then, I won't be taking part in any discussions regarding finances because it's just playing your game.

      Have a nice day :)

    14. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 16 hours ago

      @el_tel "I honestly can't be bothered to find the link, but it was mentioned in a relatively recent financial statement that the credit facility with Barclays had been reduced from £4 mil to £1 mil."
      .
      According to the financial statement, the recently mentioned credit facility DID NOT EXIST at the time Frontier was facing bankruptcy before the ED Kickstarter launch.
      .
      In case that's not clear, I am calling bullsh*t on your claim "Remember that at the time, FD had a credit facility of several million pounds ".
      .
      Have a nice day! :-)

    15. Creator Theta Sigma about 16 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      That should have been "reduced" not "educed" (...before you call me out because the document makes no reference to an "eduction" in the credit facility)

    16. Creator Theta Sigma about 17 hours ago

      @el_tel

      ...although, I think it was actually educed from £3 mil to £1 mil

    17. Creator Theta Sigma about 17 hours ago

      @el_tel

      Yes. You are correct, it was.
      Similarly, I can't be bothered to provide it for him.
      Perhaps OS should do his research more thoroughly before making unsubstantiated claims. That might go some way to improving his currently dire hit-rate.

    18. Creator el_tel about 17 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      I honestly can't be bothered to find the link, but it was mentioned in a relatively recent financial statement that the credit facility with Barclays had been reduced from £4 mil to £1 mil.

    19. Creator Theta Sigma about 17 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Objectively, I know we should take each issue/claim independently...

      However, just as a personal observation, your track-record regarding predictions, claims and counter-claims (see: List of 8 failed predictions that were once championed as almost-certainties) it does rather seem as though your chances of debunking anything on here are slim-to-none.

      Anyway, sorry, you were saying?

    20. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 17 hours ago

      @el_tel - "Remember that at the time, FD had a credit facility of several million pounds".
      That would be very naughty, if true, because they failed to declare any such arrangement in the accounts. So what's your source of this info?
      .
      And even if they did have such a facility, how long do you think a mere £3m could have kept Frontier alive, given the rate at which it was burning money. Not very long at all.
      .
      "So the loss for the year before the KS was due to writing down the investment of The Outsider? So how is that relevant exactly? " It is relevant to my debunking of your "claim it COULD have been like this: We have £7 million available to fund development of a new game".

    21. Creator Theta Sigma about 18 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "A write down from work in progress of £4,609,196 for the game 'The Outsider'"

      Since 'The Outsider' was intended to be an open-world political thriller set in and around a city, one wonders how much of the £4.6million spent on development might dove-tail into the scheduled ship-roaming and planetary landings.

      It seems unlikely that Frontier trashed the hard-drives when the project was moth-balled/canned.

    22. Creator el_tel about 18 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Actually I was just reading the filings in your link. So the loss for the year before the KS was due to writing down the investment of The Outsider? Thanks for that. It saves me digging through the reports.

      So how is that relevant exactly? (apart from something to include in your conspiracy theory). Remember that at the time, FD had a credit facility of several million pounds (recently reduced voluntarily) so DB was hardly 'staring bankrupcy in the face' as you put it.
      Plus the IPO subsequently bought in several million.

      I think I now know a lot more regarding FDs financial position. Thanks for that.

    23. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 19 hours ago

      @el_tel - "See what I mean when I say ignoring anything that doesn't agree with their view?" I didn't ignore your view about ED funding. Despite that it is complete fantasy. I took the time to show you the truth from Frontier's accounts and point you to the proof.
      .
      Here is a quote to get you started. Official Frontier filings, note. Accounts 2011.
      "
      "We were unable to complete a suitable contract to pubhsh 'The Outsider' game we are developing, and as a result decided to suspend the project for the time being and shift effort to our other projects due to the uncertain timetable for further development and subsequent release of the game, the Directors have dec1ded to take a cautious and prudent approach to the valualton of this game. Therefore we have made a matenal write down down under work in progress for 'The Outsider'.

      A wnte down from work in progress of £4,609,196 for the game 'The Outstder' has been absorbed into the financial year's profit and loss."
      "

    24. Creator el_tel about 19 hours ago

      See what I mean when I say ignoring anything that doesn't agree with their view?

    25. Creator Theta Sigma about 19 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Anything further to say in your defence of the list of 8 predictions that were relentlessly plugged on here, and yet all failed to transpire? (typos/semantics aside)

    26. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 19 hours ago

      @el_tel - "Becasue it COULD have been like this: "Right! We have £7 million available to fund development of a new game. I'd love to use that to make a new Elite, but will anyone buy it?"
      .
      Could have been, but wasn't. Frontier had NO money to fund the new Elite which had already been stuck in development hell for ten years. Frontier was in a dire financial state. It had just lost million of pounds on The Outsider due to Codemasters gving up hope of it ever getting finished to a salable quality, and Braben couldn't get any other publisher to take it. Frontier had only enough cash in the bank to pay the salaries for a couple of months. Braben was staring bankruptcy in the face.
      .
      That's when Braben came up with the brilliant idea of conning Elite fans into saving his company.
      .
      Proof is in the company accounts https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02892559/filing-history…

    27. Creator Theta Sigma about 19 hours ago

      @Harbinger @el_tel

      I suppose this one can also now go down on the huge ever-growing list of things that ex-backers state as fact that, in fact, have no basis or supporting evidence in reality?

    28. Creator Theta Sigma about 19 hours ago

      @el_tel

      Yes indeed.

      Additionally, I'd say the nowgamer interview from Nov 2012 almost certainly confirms it.

    29. Creator el_tel about 19 hours ago

      @Harbinger
      Thanks for that. So it pretty-much confirms that my guess was correct.

    30. Creator Theta Sigma about 19 hours ago

      @Harbinger

      Thanks, was literally just about to post that link, too.

      @el_tel

      Yes, that was how the Kickstarter was discussed at the time:

      A way to simultaneously gauge interest _and_ raise additional funds.
      It worked.

      Here's another article, confirming el_tel's suggestion was, in fact, the case (from 6th November 2012)

      http://www.nowgamer.com/elite-dangerous-david-braben-interview/

      NG: Did you anticipate the Elite: Dangerous Kickstarter would take off the way it has done?

      DB: To be honest, I wasn’t really sure. So far, it’s been great. Huge thanks to all those people who have pledged. It’s fantastic that there is the level of interest that there was out there.

      NG: What was the discussion leading up to this Kickstarter project? I know part of it was you said you wanted to gauge the interest.

      DB: Well, that’s right. I get lots of emails saying "can you do Elite" but you say well, if it’s only a few hundred people… there are other people out there, aren’t there?

      It seems there were/are quite a few more than a few hundred people (...at least 600,000+, to date)

      Although perhaps he was right on one thing:

      Only a few hundred really caring about an offline mode %^]

    31. Creator el_tel about 20 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Becasue it COULD have been like this:
      "Right! We have £7 million available to fund development of a new game. I'd love to use that to make a new Elite, but will anyone buy it? I know, we'll use KS to see if there's enough interest, and we'll do that by asking for £1.25 mil"

    32. Creator Theta Sigma about 20 hours ago

      @Harbinger

      RE: The Disgraced 'Elite Dangerous Refunds Group' and their Metacritic 'voting strategy'

      Glad you noticed what I'd uncovered on that score.

      Interestingly, the two posts in which I provided screenshot evidence of that 'strategy' being discussed and confirmed have now been deleted by Kickstarter (despite having no personally identifiable information contained therein due to deliberate pixelation)

      18th June
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments

      17th June
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments

      Who might have reported these two posts to Kickstarter?

      Wyzak, perhaps you are able to provide us with some assistance on this issue? %^]

    33. Creator el_tel about 20 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma

      Well it's either that or, err... how shall I put this, they struggle to grasp anything other than simple concepts, in which case they have my sympathies.

      The thing is, without us here to refuse the outlandish claims they're making, any casual passer-by may be fooled into thinking that they actually speak the truth, and have some concrete knowledge about whatever it is they're saying.

      I prefer to back up any claims I make by doing some research, and when I make any claims, they usually come with a disclaimer that I may be wrong, or are just my opinion. I also tend to provide links to my research sources so readers can verify for themselves and form their own independent opinions.

      From what I've read here, Wyzak et al do not do this, and present (negatively-slanted) guesswork as fact. They also conveniently ignore anything that disagrees with their own view.

      Being unhappy with FD (for whatever reason) is one thing, and posting on here to express that unhappiness is fine by me. But conducting a vendetta against FD by posting lies and half-truths is where I begin to wonder what their motivation is.

    34. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 20 hours ago

      @el_tel "I think you're assuming that the £1.5 mil raised via KS was supposed to be the budget" No assumption needed. Braben said "From where we are now, £1.25 million / $2 million will get us the minimum game based on our tech and artist-directed procedural generation techniques"
      .
      "whereas my understanding is that it was to gauge interest." So how did you think that was going to work? Braben takes millions of pounds from backers, and then tells them thanks for the interest, but that's not enough to make your game?

    35. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 20 hours ago

      @Harbinger "At least you're no longer living in denial about royalties contributing to the overall pot" You are really having trouble understanding this. Read the accounts again. They show that the costs allocated to those royalties far outweigh the income. Frontier's royalties aren't making any profit. They are making a loss.

    36. Creator Harbinger about 20 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner: Metacritic user scores are as useful as imdb ratings. They're plagued by tactical voting with zero votes heavily skewing genuine votes but then you already know this being that you and your Offlingate buddies have done your fair share of tactical voting on Elite: Dangerous in an attempt to bring it's user score down.
       
      At least you're no longer living in denial about royalties contributing to the overall pot so that's progress at least. We'll have this conversation again when the Full Year report is out in early September I'm sure.

    37. Creator Theta Sigma about 20 hours ago

      @el_tel

      "I think both you and Wyzak are being deliberately obtuse."

      You think?

      %^]

    38. Creator el_tel about 20 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner
      So developing ED cost £6 mil more than expected eh? I think you're assuming that the £1.5 mil raised via KS was supposed to be the budget, whereas my understanding is that it was to gauge interest.
      I think both you and Wyzak are being deliberately obtuse.

    39. Creator Theta Sigma about 20 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "5. Total sales (will stall and Frontier will fold)
      Reality: Mac, XBoxOne sales now contribute to Steam sales and Frontier store sales, total sales continually rising."

      Please note, point No. 5. has the title "Total sales"

      Total sales: "Mac, XBoxOne sales now contribute to Steam sales and Frontier store sales"

      All of the above, Mac, XBoxOne, Steam and Frontier contribute towards "Total sales".

      [sigh/]

      Care to move onto the actual points being made rather than wilfully misinterpreting semantics?

    40. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 20 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Development PR man
      "Reality: Mac, XBoxOne sales now contribute to Steam sales and Frontier store sales" Only in your imagination, TS. In the real world, Xbox One ED is not being sold by the Steam store or the Frontier store.

    41. Creator Theta Sigma about 21 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Care to comment on the list of 8 claims made by ex-backers in these comments that have all transpired with the passage of time to be utterly false predictions?

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Thought not - after all, they are sort of diametrically opposed to the narrative you're attempting to sketch.

    42. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 21 hours ago

      @Harbinger "Royalty income continued to accrue with Atari Interactive Inc. (Atari), the distributor of RollerCoasterTycoon 3 and on Kinect Disneyland Adventures via Microsoft."
      .
      Metacritic userscores of 4.8 and 2.6 respectively. Which perhaps explains why the royalty income show in those accounts are peanuts.

    43. Creator Theta Sigma about 21 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      "Just giving them time."

      "Last 30 days is now only +0.41%"

      Yes, equally, I'm happy to wait.

      How do you think 1.4, CQC and Gamesom will affect that 0.41%?

      My prediction:

      It will affect the percentage in a similar fashion to the previous 1.x releases.
      i.e. it will increase (probably by quite a lot...)

      Perhaps you no longer recall (memories seem to be short around here) I had almost exactly the same discussion going on with Jörn Huxhorn about the June figures when I made the prediction, on 20th June when the percentage was "only" 5.26%

      Theta Sigma on 20th June:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "Last 30 days figure steadily rising by around +1.5% per day Current 'Last 30 days' figure stands at +5.26% In 10 days you'll be able to focus on the Jun 2015 'Average number of players' which is looking like it will be in the range +5% to +15% across the whole month."

      How did my prediction do?

      Actual figure for June 2015 was: +20.70%

      Ouch!

      +5.70% _over_and_above the _upper_bound_ of my prediction.

      The issue here, is that time and time again (with punishing regularity), those on here with an arguably (and demonstrably from, you know, the passage of time and evidence and stuff) more balanced objective view of statistics have made predictions which are regularly on-track (as opposed to the wild predictions made my ex-backers, that almost always fail to stand up to the very simple test of time)

      Examples of ex-backers' claims culled from these comments since offline decision:

      1. Metacritic User Review Average (will continue a decline into the low 6s an 5s)

      Reality: Has stabilised at 6.5 for many months despite efforts of ex-backers to 'zero-bomb'

      2. Metacritic 'Most Helpful' (will prove that positive reviews are false and from 'shills')

      Reality: Majority of Top300 'Most Helpful' (those reviews having more than 50% 'likes') are in the range 6 to 10
      On 4th May, the average of the Top300 User Reviews: 7.6
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…
      After Top300 reviews, reviews have less than 50% 'likes', so reviews lower down are no longer 'Most Helpful' by definition

      3. Steam Keys (will never be released)

      Reality: Steam Keys have been released.

      4. Steam Reviews (will 'prove' E:D is rubbish since only legitimate players/owners can post)

      Reality: Four months on from release:

      Steam User Reviews: Mostly Positive (4,736 reviews)
      78% of the 4,736 user reviews for this game are positive

      5. Total sales (will stall and Frontier will fold)

      Reality: Mac, XBoxOne sales now contribute to Steam sales and Frontier store sales, total sales continually rising.

      6. Steam Sales (ditto)

      Reality: 'Owners' shows continual, steady increase of ~2,228 units/day since Steam release
      [276,809 in 121 days]

      7. Steam Players (numbers will continue relentless decline)

      Reality: 4 months on from Steam release:

      [All-time 'Average Players' vs [Last 30 days Average Players]
      E:D: 4,289 [4,939]
      +15% increase ABOVE all-time average

      8. 'Refunds' (will never be occur)

      Reality: Full Refunds have, in fact, occurred.

      It's surely understandable, therefore, that objective observers take with a huge pinch of NaCl (Hi, Michael Taylor!) the claims, conjecture, prophesying, and, it seems likely, 'propaganda' spread by ex-backers.

      A simple comparison of the hit-rate of success of backers/supporters vs. those of ex-backers tells a very interesting story indeed.

    44. Creator Harbinger about 21 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner: It clearly states that they already had £227,000 in "royalties and other income" at the end of November 2014. Tales From Deep Space was launched just 12 days prior to that cutoff and Screamride wasn't even out at that time. We won't know the true extent of their royalties until they release their full year report in early September.
       
      Interestingly it also states "Royalty income continued to accrue with Atari Interactive Inc. (Atari), the distributor of RollerCoasterTycoon 3 and on Kinect Disneyland Adventures via Microsoft."
       
      They're still receiving royalties from Atari for RCT3 and Microsoft for one of their other recent games? Oops, your own "proof" contradicts your argument.

    45. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 21 hours ago

      @Harbinger - "Oh wait you don't provide proof of anything you just make it up on the spot" Here's proof of my latest claims about the royalties. Frontier accounts filed at the London Stock Exchange http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12258941.html "Royalties, Technology & Project support".

    46. Creator Theta Sigma about 21 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Steamcharts Average Players comparison, "independently verifiable", better yet.

    47. Creator Wyzak about 21 hours ago

      @el_tel: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      You've managed to use a lot of words to say very little. A potential investor would (should) look at many things, not just those two things.

      @theta sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      The 28% drop in share price over the last year isn't speculation or conjecture.

      http://steamcharts.com/app/359320 oh I'm not ignoring them. Just giving them time.

      Last 30 days is now only +0.41% (all of a sudden you aren't posting it in every single post any more). If you set the dates to Jun 25, 2015 and Aug 1, 2015 so that it does the averaging for you, it shows a drastic drop over the last 4 weeks. From about 12k hours player on the 13th of July, to about 9k on the 20th of July, to only 7.5k on the 27th. That's a 38% drop.

    48. Creator Theta Sigma about 22 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      SteamSpy Average Players comparison, at all?

    49. Creator Harbinger about 22 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner: you mean like the reams of proof you provide for all your outlandish claims? Oh wait you don't provide proof of anything you just make it up on the spot and present it as fact whilst ignoring anything to the contrary.

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