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    1. Creator deusx_ophc about 1 hour ago

      @oldschool shadowrunner

      @deusx_ophc - "first pic from #edgc15 from DB himself - link via FDEV forum"
      .
      So David Braben is showing a big 3D model of an Elite ship at a games show.
      .
      Did Mr Braben ever get around to delivering the 3D models of Elite ships that ED Kickstarter backers paid him up to £500 for three years ago?

      at some stage i had money down for 3 of those models, but changed that later... anyhow there is nothing much about this. the one point where i agree that FDEV haven't done themselves or their backers justice. afaik refunds have been offered a while back already?!

    2. Creator deusx_ophc about 1 hour ago

      @oldschool shadowrunner

      oh man, this one is plain lazy

      "https://www.youtube.com/watch
      Braben on planetary landings "We could do that now. But it would be an empty experience."
      .
      Hmm... Didn't stop him shipping Elite Dangerous. :-)"

      well exactly because of that FDEV did ship ED without planatery landings (which would have been empty at that time -dec 2014). ED has plenty of content to offer, like a full galaxy of it ^^

      what do you think will be the announcement today?

      also very glad to see you take those youtube clips seriously =)

    3. Creator deusx_ophc about 1 hour ago

      @oldschool schadowrunner

      at least you do not dissapoint! let's do this point by point

      "More news. "Microsoft kicked off this year's Gamescom conference in Cologne, Germany with an exciting press conference full of new reveals, trailers, and news."
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-biggest-news-from-microsofts-gamescom-2015-pre/1100-6429457/
      Did they mention Elite Dangerous for Xbox? Well of course not, silly. They are waiting to see of Frontier can get it working first."

      if you have a spare hour or two, how about watching this XBox One CQC twitch.tv stream http://www.twitch.tv/lasulli - it was a blast last night, about 3hrs of utter fun. i think FDEV have played a blinder with the CQC championship.

      go on, have a look and see if it works yourself. you might enjoy it ^^

    4. Creator Theta Sigma about 2 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      I can do better than that:

      I've got a dead-cert [probability = 1] definite prediction:

      "Whatever Frontier announce at Gamescom 2015, the news will be met with negativity, hostility, pessimism and/or derision by ex-backers, leading to further wild conjecture from ex-backers surrounding Frontier's motives and financial situation and further wildly inaccurate prophesying regarding the future of Elite:Dangerous"

    5. Creator Harbinger about 7 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner:
      You know full well that SteamSpy data is based upon 3 day averaging so using the last 3 days to be representative of their sales is quite frankly ridiculous. What's next, are you going to cherry pick a single day?

    6. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 8 hours ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch…
      Braben on planetary landings "We could do that now. But it would be an empty experience."
      .
      Hmm... Didn't stop him shipping Elite Dangerous. :-)

    7. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 8 hours ago

      More news. "Microsoft kicked off this year's Gamescom conference in Cologne, Germany with an exciting press conference full of new reveals, trailers, and news."
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-biggest-news-from-microsofts-gamescom-2015-pre/1100-6429457/

      Did they mention Elite Dangerous for Xbox? Well of course not, silly. They are waiting to see of Frontier can get it working first.

    8. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 9 hours ago

      News just in. Steamspy shows ED Steam sales in the most recent three-day sampling period are around 200 per day.
      .
      Harbinger, how about you apply your financial acumen to calculating the money earned there. Do you think it might cover 10% of the cost of running the ED servers? Maybe 20%? :-)
      .
      Theta Sigma, time for you to "predict" the next ED sale. 50% off? 60% off?

    9. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 9 hours ago

      @deusc_ophc - "first pic from #edgc15 from DB himself - link via FDEV forum"
      .
      So David Braben is showing a big 3D model of an Elite ship at a games show.
      .
      Did Mr Braben ever get around to delivering the 3D models of Elite ships that ED Kickstarter backers paid him up to £500 for three years ago?

    10. Creator Theta Sigma about 14 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Yes indeed, man. Coincidentally watched that YT clip lasy night (no, Wyzak, it's not a conspiracy, it's a coincidence)

      I agree with the content from InkOnTube, too:

      "I think David and his team lack of a good presentation. David made first Elite game the game that invented space sim genre. Now he is the first one giving the support to 4K and 8K and he acts as "no biggie - just stats". Also, I like his approach to the development process - one part of the game at the time. I think it is good way to do it as such. I think current stage of the game gives me more fun when I can actually fly around systems, doing missions, making trade instead of just walking trough ship."

    11. Creator deusx_ophc about 14 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma @Harbinger
      *tin foil mode firmly on* after the modified lunar landing cobra DB also retweeted a huffpo picture of some amazing cloud.

      note that watching amazing cloud formations being a key feature of a previous elite https://twitter.com/elitedangerous/status/492326057849405440

      also add the detail of this 2014 interview from gamescom watch from 8.30 onwards https://www.youtube.com/watch…

    12. Creator Theta Sigma about 14 hours ago

      @Harbinger

      There goes another keyboard to coffee-damage :)

      I think you're probably right about the sneak-peak at PL - but to me that doesn't quite fit "colossal", so I'm still unsure...

      BTW part of me wants it to be galactic hyperdrive, but then another part of me doesn't, since if it is that will no doubt count as irrefutable "proof" that I'm a Frontier employee/paid-shill/PR-man etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

      Hey, I just try to be objective, understand a modicum about statistics, and have made some decent predictions. So sue me! %^]

    13. Creator Harbinger about 14 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma: "Any guesses as to what the "colossal" new announcement at Gamescom might be?"
      ---------------
      Shouldn't you already know this as an employee of Frontier? ;)
       
      In all seriousness though I think the cratered surface under the Cobra Mk. III model that David Braben tweeted a photo of today (also featured in the forum post deusx_ophc linked below) is a subtle hint that we'll be getting a sneak peek at planetary landings tomorrow, although perhaps just airless moons initially.

    14. Creator Theta Sigma about 14 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Any guesses as to what the "colossal" new announcement at Gamescom might be?
      I have no predictions to make on this, but what if they announced another 200,000,000,000 galaxies? %^]

      I mean, they've already done the hard work in fine-tuning the procedural generation algorithms for one galaxy - why not introduce a galactic hyperdrive and simulate the rest of the known universe, just for kicks?

      PS Wyzak, please don't report me for double-posting - I'm sorry, OK?!

    15. Creator Theta Sigma about 15 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      "I'm sure we could find just as many if not more of your predictions that did not come through, but at the rate that you are churning out your propaganda - ain't nobody got time for that."

      1. "I'm sure we could find just as many if not more..."

      Exactly how _sure_ of this are you?

      Are you as sure as you were on Nov 28 2014 when you predicted that E:D would be "F2P in 6 months to a year - 60% certainty, F2P within 2 years - 90% certainty." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments
      (...yet another shown-to-be-false Wyzak-prediction to add to the 'List of 8' :)

      ...or are you as sure as you were on 2nd May when you stated: "Meanwhile on the Steam charts, it's not looking good - still losing momentum." ...despite the current Last 30 days Average (2 months on from your claim :) at an all-time-high of 4969.
      Objectively, that's at least "good" and certainly not a loss of "momentum"

      2. If I really am churning out "propaganda" (in the sense of untrue statements or predictions) at a high "rate", then it should be _extremely_ easy for you to find evidence of incorrect predictions - if you are having difficulty locating such untrue statements or predictions, then perhaps you should consider the possibility that the reason that the statements and predictions tend to be true.

      3. You ain't got time for that(?)
      That might be believable, except for the fact that you've clearly got enough time to still be posting futile and incorrect statements here more than six months after refunds were issued...

      4. The reason I even know about the existence of the 'List of 8' is that each time one of those 8 predictions was made I seriously assessed each one objectively, and in my considered opinion, refuted each one at the time, often presenting evidence as to why I thought the original claim to be untrue or unlikely to be proven true with time.

      With that in mind, and given that each one of the 8 claims has been proven untrue with the passage of time, let's look at the current tally from those 8 failed predictions, alone:

      [+1 for a prediction that transpired to be undeniably true with the benefit of hindsight]
      [-1 for a prediction that transpired to be undeniably false with the benefit of hindsight]

      Theta Sigma: +8

      Wyzak: -8

      You are welcome to try to claw your way back to a semblance of objectivity if you can provide some examples of occasions on which you were correct in a prediction.

      Equally, you are welcome to find concrete examples of predictions I have made that subsequently turned out to be untrue.
      You might find it quite difficult though, since:
      i) the vast majority of my predictions turned out to be true :)
      ii) most of what you object to in my posts tend to be statements of fact I have made regarding the currently available indepedent statistics rather than wild hypothesising borne of wishful thinking

      Remember, I have already made one concrete, objectively verifiable prediction for this month:

      3rd August 2015
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "August 2015 'Average Players' will further increase upon July's result in the range +5 to +15%
      i.e. 5,158 < August 2015 Avg. Players < 5,649"

      I'm happy to wait, and happy to stand by that prediction.

      However, here's a challenge for you in demonstrating your objectivity and ability to read the situation:

      You are more than welcome to match this claim with an objectively verifiable prediction of your own.

      Please note: "predictions" that involve reasoning such as "Clearly everyone thinks..." and "Obviously it is the case..." won't cut it - Stick to objectively assessible facts using, for example, "independently verifiable information" and "accurate metrics" from a "representative sample of the whole community" (your words) if you can/dare...

      Good luck!

      %^]

    16. Creator Wyzak about 17 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - Ag please man. Take some responsibility for your own words.

      @theta sigma - I'm sure we could find just as many if not more of your predictions that did not come through, but at the rate that you are churning out your propaganda - ain't nobody got time for that.

    17. Creator deusx_ophc about 19 hours ago

      first pic from #edgc15 from DB himself - link via FDEV forum

      https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php…

    18. Creator deusx_ophc about 22 hours ago

      @wyzak i only know of circle jerks, an oldschool us punkrock band. their logo is anything but what you suggest and i wasn't actually aware of the erm... "sexual practice".

      basically they showed a guy pogoing in a circle as you do, repeatedly. which is what has been happening here for many many many many moons. a few guys (aka us) going around and around and around on the same topic with ever the same arguments ad nauseam.

      and all the while FDEV have delivered with ED a great gaming experience with incredible technical features (VR, 4K, 16K! etc) that is continuously developed and updated, enjoys an amazing community and is about to make another leap *crosses fingers*

    19. Creator Theta Sigma about 22 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      The issue you keep missing, and the fundamental difference between your predictions and my predictions, is that the majority of my predictions have become fact, as the passage of time is my witness.

      Yours? Not so much (if at all)

      I would respectfully suggest that the reason my predictions tend to align with reality more than yours (evidence amply available in the comments) is that one of us is being objective about the situation, the other, perhaps clouded by wishful thinking?

      See 'List of 8'

    20. Creator Wyzak about 22 hours ago

      @theta sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - another direct question ignored. You truly are good at doing that.

      As to my post, it was in response to this post from deusx_ophc - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - how respectful is it that deusx_ophc called this comments section a "circle jerk"? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php…

      Nobody is stopping you from reporting any posts here, so knock yourself out. It's an expression; before you say I'm saying that you should assault yourself.

      Your supposed summary posts are truly entertaining. Maybe if you repeat it often enough it will become fact. Now where did I hear that before?

      Shall we hold a count of how many posts have been deleted and use that as a gauge for who isn't being respectful or considerate?

    21. Creator deusx_ophc about 23 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma well since you are asking it is RAINING LIKE WOAH right now =) but sol is back in business for the next 2-3 days.

      @wyzak @oldschool shadowrunner i personally do not mind anyone speaking in their habitual language. however, since this is such a public comments section and kickstarter rightfully remind everyone to behave respectfully i should probably support kickstarter in their efforts.

    22. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @deusx_ophc, hey man, how's Cologne? Sol still... er... 'solling'? :)

      Incidentally...

      Wyzak on 11th December 2014 (two months prior to my first post)

      "@deusx_ophc - once again thank you for providing extra motivation for those who are looking for refunds. It's attitudes like yours' that cause people to want to play offline in their own little worlds unaffected by the idiots on the Internet."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Now that _certainly_ isn't friendly, respectful or considerate.
      Wyzak denigrates deusx_ophc's attitude, and furthermore strongly implies that he is an idiot.

      This sort of language has been rife from Wyzak and Oldschool Shadowrunner throughout:

      Oldschool Shadowrunner on 25th April 2015
      "@Theta Sigma: Whining, complaining and screaming harassment because you are losing an argument is pathetic. I believe Mrs. Sarah Cook once said "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Cheers & see you in few days."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      You hear/read that deusx_ophc?
      Wyzak and Oldschool Shadowrunner, on separate occasions (one prior to our first interaction on here) seem to think/imply independently that we're idiots.

      Perhaps an email to the Kickstarter admins might be prudent?

      After all, we wouldn't want Wyzak to be seen to be transgressing the very rules that he (superficially at least) seems so very keen on upholding for others, would we? Some might call that somewhat hypocritical behaviour.

      But then, as Wyzak was apparently a member of the Elite Dangerous Refunds Group and yet failed to report their immoral Metacritic voting practices, whilst simultaneously accusing Frontier (without evidence) of the self-same behaviour in posts to this comments section, Reddit and who-knows-elsewhere, his reputation as a paragon of virtue would already seem to be in tatters.

      Oh, and... @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      As to the "losing an argument" regarding whether Elite:Dangerous is failing or not:
      See 'List of 8'

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

    23. Creator deusx_ophc 1 day ago

      ahh it is alive!

      i was worried a little bit when no propaganda was forthcoming for nearly 2 days ^^

    24. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Wyzak

      Presumably you hope that if you keep saying that I'm a Frontier employee enough time then it might become fact?

      This is not how reality works.

      Similarly, continually making deliberately pessimistic predictions about the fortunes of Elite:Dangerous will not make these predictions become reality.

      PS

      Steam Summer Sale occurs every year.
      Perhaps you should research your predictions a bit better before making wild claims.

    25. Creator Wyzak 1 day ago

      Pray tell how anybody who isn't employed by FDEV would be able to take discounts which haven't yet been announced into account?

    26. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Wyzak

      "Obviously any predictions on what the future player numbers for the game will be dependant on the status quo staying the same. If a stimulus is introduced that shakes up the status quo then the predictions will be affected ie. discounts and free steam keys."

      i.e. _exactly_ the same scenario as for any game that exists - no game on Steam exists without new stimuli being introduced; updates, expansions, promotions, discounts, SteamKeys released, in-game events etc. etc. etc.

      Polite suggestion: Try to at least make an attempt to take these stimuli into account when you make your "predictions" and you might find that your predictions are more accurate, and furthermore you won't feel the need to complain that your predictions are so inaccurate or else attempt to make excuses for your poor predictions after the fact, when reality and the passage of time kicks in.

      Bottom-line: the information I used in my predictions was freely available, and we all have access to the same information, it's just that some people are better at assessing this objectively than others.

    27. Creator Wyzak 1 day ago

      That isn't necessarily the case. In personal experience I hadn't played the game for several weeks, but when I activated my Steam key I updated the game and tried it out for a bit to see what had changed.

    28. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Wyzak

      "...the downward trend was bucked by the free steam keys..."

      Reality check: SteamKeys represent non-Steam-purchasers, long-term players of the game dating from original release on 16th December 2014 all the way up to 2nd April 2015

      You completely miss the point that the addition of their numbers "bucks the downward trend"

      Think about it:
      These players are _still_ playing the game in large numbers more than six months since release - if they had been able to redeem SteamKeys from the very beginning, the downward trend would have been proportionately far smaller and potentially non-existent since these players racked up huge amounts of game-time over many months prior to SteamKey Release Day that Steam does not report.

    29. Creator Wyzak 1 day ago

      The June figures were affected by the release of the Steam keys to all of the website and kickstarter backers. There was also a 25% sale.

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Theta sigma: "Furthermore, since free Steam Keys were issued for Elite:Dangerous, the player numbers have bucked the downward trend that most games follow, and have risen to the same proportion of the original 1st week peak as GTAV experienced after only 2 weeks on the charts."

      Even you admit in this post that the downward trend was bucked by the free steam keys...

      Obviously any predictions on what the future player numbers for the game will be dependant on the status quo staying the same. If a stimulus is introduced that shakes up the status quo then the predictions will be affected ie. discounts and free steam keys.

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      I'm yet to see a game that was "tacticly voted" or "bombed" that didn't do some injustice to it's users ie. if you give people a reason to be pissed off they will react accordingly.

      btw Theta Sigma, it's more useful to link to the post above the post that was deleted otherwise you only see the previous conversation and you don't even see the "comment has been removed by kickstarter". ie https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      That makes it number 3 now? Might I suggest you try to be respectful and considerate?

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Kerrash has a clear conflict of interest then which nullifies his opinion.

      @theta sigma - yes it is true, no backer of the game can be truly objective. However there are different degrees to this. Somebody who stands to lose his house if FDEV goes belly up isn't quite in the same boat as somebody who only stands to lose access to the game he spent GBP 30 on. You are still sidestepping the issue, are you or a close family member working for FDEV? Do you or a close family member own shares or futures in FDEV? Your continuous refusal to answer these questions can only mean one thing.

      @deux_ophc - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… and this is the same company who said that they would release a DRM free version of the game. Which they didn't. So if they've not been truthful once, why should we believe them going forward? It has also been mentioned before that if the company does go belly up the game will be tied up in the legal process, and they wouldn't be allowed to simply give it away for free when some of the creditors might be able to recover some money from selling it to somebody else...

      Quadruple post by theta sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      @theta sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… so then he should not have punted the game as DRM free and with offline mode. He created this situation.

      @theta sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - how is that average curve looking from the 28th of June to the 4th of August?

    30. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Wyzak

      Wyzak on 1st August
      "Last 30 days is now only +0.41%"

      Correction:

      Last 30 days is now +1.48%

      i.e. 3.6-fold increase in 2 days

      Also, Last 30 days Average Players is at an all-time high of 4,986

      I do wonder how CQC, 1.4 and Gamescom announcement will affect that.

      My prediction:

      August 2015 'Average Players' will further increase upon July's result in the range +5 to +15%

      i.e. 5,158 < August 2015 Avg. Players < 5,649

      Happy to wait.

    31. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Have a great time, and keep us (regularly) updated :)

    32. Creator deusx_ophc 2 days ago

      @all happy monday morning !

      looks like sol is pulling out all the stops to shine on cologne this week. 33°C celsius expected by for thurs/friday *eeek*

      hopefully FDEVs lay on some iced drinks - *nudge nudge wink wink*

    33. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Come on, I know you're itching to tell me how the scenario I've painted isn't remotely realistic and nothing like it would have happened, and a DRM-free offline mode would have (somehow) made billions for Frontier and everything would have been a bed of roses...

    34. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      typo correction (before you 'call me out' on it :)

      I'll add that one to the "list of ultra-long-game predictions made by ex-backers that failed to become reality"

    35. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "The irony is that people will be playing Elite 1984 in fifty years time keeping that memory alive, when Elite Dangerous is long forgotten."

      Thanks.

      I'll add that one the to "list of ultra-long-game predictions made ex-backers that failed to become reality"

    36. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Let me paint an alternative scenario for you, based upon your conjecture surrounding Frontier's accounts, and including aspects of the actual history of this project:

      1. Frontier cave-in to demands of a few hundred offline-zealots and decide to release DRM-free offline-only mode as well as always-online (DRM-free off-liners are initally ecstatic)
      2. Frontier misses the original planned release date and various other planned release dates
      (...this _actually_ happened, remember, and was complained about, A LOT)
      3. Due to the extra dev work required to release _both_ versions, the delays in 2. are even greater than they actually were, in this current reality.

      ....aaaaaand: increasingly vocal demands from both always-onliners and DRM-free off-liners lead to severe negativite publicity for Frontier.

      "They've _never_ released anything on time!"
      "This is worse than when they were producing for a third-party publisher!"
      "I hate Braben! He's raped my childhood!"
      "Where's the game I funded! WAAAAAAAAAAA!"
      "Braben's stolen my heard-earned dough!"
      etc. etc. etc.

      4. Due to 3. Frontier rush out even-more-incomplete-than-we-actually-got always-online _and_ DRM-free offline-version.
      5. Immediate slew of complaints come in about how unfinished and placeholder _both_ versions of the game are.
      "This is way worse than First Encounters!"
      "I hate Braben/Frontier/everything!"
      "I want a refund!"
      "I demand a refund!"
      etc. etc. etc.

      6. The DRM-nature of the offline version leads to CMDR L337 H4x0r and friends disseminating their own mod versions of Elite:Dangerous - procedurally-engineered galaxy IP also backward-engineered and disseminated throught teh interwebs.
      7. Always-online players increasingly dissatisfied with skeletal-like nature of the unfinished game due to Frontier dividing their efforts between two versions.
      8. Frontier updates to offline mode become increasingly pointless since each update has IP/algorithms that are immediately backward engineered and incorporated by hackers and/or competitors.
      9. More and more mods and servers of hacked DRM-free offline release start to appear.
      10. Frontier run out of cash due to huge move away by core user-base from always-online mode - income-stream dries up (remember, you said yourself they didn't have enough cash right at the start anyway)
      11. Frontier fold.
      12. Hacked versions of DRM-free mode proliferate, Elite:Dangerous mods become hugely popular, and all off the back of Frontier's IP which they essentially gave away to the community due to a few hundred offline-zealots being very vocal when Frontier suggested dropping offline-mode.

      Conclusion:

      Frontier made the correct decision from an IP and business-perspective.

      The views of ~100s of DRM-free offliners <<< earning potential from 100,000s of purchasers + retaining IP and company prospering

    37. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner
      and again you let every argument bypass that you do not like and instead keep making statements that are simply false.

      FDEV have stated that in the event that their servers would ever close down they would release the code.

      in short, you get to play your offline game once the game is done & dusted. so in another 30 years by my counting ^^

    38. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments plc
      "As a backer of this Kickstarter, by definition, my original (and continuing) aim was (and is) to see this project succeed."
      .
      I'll translate that for you. You want to delay the inevitable day upon which FD turns of the servers and the game dies.
      .
      "Success" for this project became meaningless on the day of Braben's switcheroo last year. The day when having taken as much money as he could on false pretences of selling a game people could play forever on their own computers, Braben announced he was instead going to rent you a game that relies on his computers. When he's run out of people to con into "buying" the game, he'll turn off the servers, and your game will die.
      .
      The irony is that people will be playing Elite 1984 in fifty years time keeping that memory alive, when Elite Dangerous is long forgotten.

    39. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Wyzak

      "@Theta Sigma - "we can get back to the current, objective facts about Elite:Dangerous." - it can only be objective once you have shown that you don't have a conflict of interest."

      Your statement does display incredible irony, and I reckon unintentionally so...

      Would you say that:

      1. Your repeated attempts, over a period of many months, to dissuade people from purchasing Elite:Dangerous, questioning everything about the game, the company, its directors etc. are completely and utterly objective?

      2. Your motives for continually posting one-sided "observations" of many and varied aspects of this project often completely unrelated to the offline decision are in some way related to your reaction to the offline decision?

      If your motives are anything other than objectivity in 1. (and the concrete evidence of your many failed predictions does indeed strongly support the view that you are _not_ being objective) then, in fact, it is you who has the clear conflict of interest.

      Conversely, as an original backer of this Kickstarter, I have no conflict of interest, at all:
      As a backer of this Kickstarter, by definition, my original (and continuing) aim was (and is) to see this project succeed.

      By your reasoning, however, _any_ backer, of _any_ Kickstarter project posting supporting evidence of the success of the project and/or refuting outlandish claims as they occur (and which, with the passage of time turn out to have been completely untrue - see List of 8) apparently has a "conflict of interest" in wanting to see those projects succeed. (Really?)

      I know from experience that you're quite the fan of questionnaires and surveys.
      With that in mind:

      1. Am I an original backer of Elite:Dangerous?
      Yes.

      2. Do I still support the project?
      Yes.

      3. Does this imply that I have a vested interest in the project?
      Only if all Kickstarter backers have similarly "vested" interests.

    40. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @el_tel
      hehe, excellent! all i got to was a few lines assembler and peek & pokes. there was also, distant memory, some turbo pascal?! somehow being digital native passed by me :/

    41. Creator el_tel 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc
      I wrote a legendary and landmark gaming title - It was called Pest Spray and was published in Sinclair Programs :)

      It took me ages to write because there were around 100 lines of BASIC code.

    42. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner
      yeah we all have written a few legendary and landmark gaming titles, while running our own public company. and of course raspberry pi - pi in the sky right, pffft!

      to you & me that comes easy. we do it all the time.

      but most nights/days we spend on one of these internet sites typing away, really educating people how to do it. because, you know, typing we are kind of good at.

      isn't it ^^

    43. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc - "Or maybe it is just a Kate herself says One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat" Hey I pulled out about half a dozen inflammatory sentences here! If you want any more you'll have to do you're own pulling. :-)
      .
      "from all i have seen they are a very hard working bunch." Yes I agree. That makes it all the more sad that what they've produced is so bad. They really had no idea what they were getting into. They've never managed to finish a big game in the whole histry of the company. Look at First Encounters. Look at Outsider. All they can do for themselves is shallow collections of mini-games for kids. With animals and coasters. So what they did for a space game was a shallow collection of mini-games with animals changed to spaceships and coasters changed to planets. Tragic.

    44. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      just in case it wasn't clear what poor kate (sry for dragging you into this backwater, it is worse than slough! ) said:

      "I have absolute confidence we’ll still be playing @EliteDangerous a year from now” on 23. June 2015

    45. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Or maybe it is just a Kate herself says "One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat and used along with my name as a headline to boost some sad attention-seekers upvotes on Reddit doesn’t bother me in the slightest. But I hope the people at Frontier who might have seen that post get to see this one as well. Because they are people who work incredibly hard on something we all feel passionate about. And they are the ones who get my upvote."

      Kerrash is also not on the FDEV payroll. he has been asked by them to promo/demo and no wonder, his enthusiasm for all things elite is infectious. you could use some of that yourself shadowrunner. so kerrash you can expect FDEV paying travel expenses and maybe some compensation, but no salary. he has a job to make a living.

      but i take your point, he will defend them where he can. and why not? from all i have seen they are a very hard working bunch. surely prudent and in fact OLDSCHOOL in their approach but learning fast from being 3rd? party developer to publisher.

      but all this is little to you. you have been let down in a matter so close to your heart and there is little anyone but you can do about this.

      sorry :/

    46. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 3 days ago

      @deusx_ophc -Yeah, looks like Kate Russell did a u-turn after some serious backlash for saying what she thinks of the poo that is Elite Dangerous. Probably an email storm of hate from the ED fanbois. Here's another quote from her in that discussion: ""A shame a shame I hope David Braben listens to this and maybe goes Oh I've been a bit of a fool really. But I doubt it."
      .
      Ad for that response from Kerrash, don't forget that he works for Frontier.

    47. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma oh damn! thanks for helping out there mate. didn't even notice it before you mentioned it.

      i blame copy & paste ^^

    48. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      If you feel aggrieved and decide to report deusx_ophc for not being respectful or considerate, please bear in mind that Kate Russell's comments were not aimed at anyone in particular but rather "sad attention-seekers" in the general sense.

    49. Creator deusx_ophc 3 days ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner and again you are just using your shock & awe style with linking only the "juice" part of what Kate actually said. only in the context that you want to use it.

      as you full well know Kate herself posted various comments on how she has 1) been taken out of context and 2) put the record straight

      anyone that wants to read the full context follow below ^^

      http://katerussell.co.uk/opinion-i-have-absolute-confidence-well-still-be-playing-elitedangerous-a-year-from-now/

      tl:dr

      "One inflammatory sentence pulled out of a three hour chat and used along with my name as a headline to boost some sad attention-seekers upvotes on Reddit doesn’t bother me in the slightest. But I hope the people at Frontier who might have seen that post get to see this one as well. Because they are people who work incredibly hard on something we all feel passionate about. And they are the ones who get my upvote."

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