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    1. Creator Theta Sigma about 3 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Your previous comment:

      "Whining, complaining and screaming harassment because you are losing an argument is pathetic. I believe Mrs. Sarah Cook once said "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Cheers & see you in few days."

      ...is indeed the height of irony.

      The only reason I bothered to start posting here in the first place back in February was *specifically* due to your whining, complaining and screaming harassment of @tarasis when they made their very first post; an innocent question to the comments.

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      @tarasis - excuse my language but where the hell have you been living for last 2-3 months? You really like us to believe this is the first time you heard people are not happy with FD? 15,000 posts on FD board, google news paper articles, thousands of negative comments here and many other places, refund game code, etc, etc, etc. Yet you want us to swallow that you just randomly decide to check kickstarter comments section months after the game was released and then post how you are shocked about legal actions and how happy you are with what you got?!?! Smells Fishy...Is that you Braben?

      Congratulations! It would seem that you now think you've, in fact, dragged me down to *your* level ;-)

      From my knowledge of your posts to these comments prior to tarasis I really should have known better than to even start trying to discuss anything with you.

      Remember: There is no 'argument' to 'win' or 'lose' here (and, I should add, you had been posting vitriol on here *far* longer than I even made my first post, so really, you're the one with the most 'experience' to beat me with in your race to the bottom ;- )

      The fact of the matter is:
      Elite: Dangerous is continuing to be a success and there's nothing you can do about it (except get banned and moderated to oblivion and come across as bitter as hell with an entitlement complex)

    2. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 4 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma: Whining, complaining and screaming harassment because you are losing an argument is pathetic. I believe Mrs. Sarah Cook once said "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Cheers & see you in few days.
      .
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

    3. Creator Jörn Huxhorn about 7 hours ago

      Neither is accusing me of lying ("So, yet another statement presented as fact that turns out to be completely untrue.", https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… ) just trolling.

      Yep, an edit function would sometimes be neat.

    4. Creator Jörn Huxhorn about 7 hours ago

      And choosing

      "Also, this isn't a forum and it isn't moderated." (2015-03-25, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… )

      while ignoring

      "And again: this isn't a forum, this isn't a thread. The forum is over at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/ where the mods are swinging their ban hammer and locked at least two threads about the offline mode. The only "moderation" happening on Kickstarter is the deletion of whole comments in case of spam or slurs." (2015-03-25, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… )

      from the exact same day isn't cherry-picking at all.

      Neither is accusing me of lying ("So, yet another statement presented as fact that turns out to be completely untrue.", https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… )

      I'm sure you were very well aware of my other comment (as you are aware of my repeated Thargoid question). You just decided it would be much more fun to willfully misrepresent my statement and ignore any information that doesn't suite your "interpretation".

      The only conspiracy theory this is fueling is that you are probably an employee of FD with the task to annoy us until we leave this section alone.

      Congratulations! You just stole my time again! <3

    5. Creator Theta Sigma about 13 hours ago

      @Fabio Capela

      I would agree that those are all fair, objective observations.

      Most especially the timing of Steam/Steam Keys/Power Play:
      In an ideal world these could have been made to coincide with each other.

    6. Creator Fabio Capela about 13 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma
      Apart from extraordinary moments, every game follows a similar 7 days pattern. Or, rather, every single entertainment venue; TV, movie theater attendance, patrons in pubs, etc.

      What we need to see is how soon the game will start falling (seems like it started a bit over a week after launch, worse than many MMOs but better than most games), how steep the game's initial fall will be (doesn't seem to be too steep up to now, it's decaying a bit slower than I predicted earlier, but this is just the second week of the fall so it's kinda hard to tell for sure), and how long the fall will last before the game more or less stabilizes. Barring some highly unusual behavior (like Dark Souls 2 peaking when the Scholar of the First Sin was released), the tendency is for ED to just fall from here, similar to almost every game.

      Food for thought: the moment when a large part of the potential player base forms their opinion about the game is when they first learn about its release. Which means that, for the dozens of millions of Steam users, that moment was when it was released on Steam — back when Frontier were flat out refusing to release any information about Power Play. If they truly expect Power Play to drive the interest in the game, the Steam release seems to have been very poorly planned: no advertisement, no Steam features, irked a reasonable number of players by not giving Steam keys to those that purchased earlier, and happened before what the team expects to be one of the main draws towards multiplayer was revealed. One more thing that makes me wonder if the Steam release was rushed for whichever reason.

    7. Creator Avalanche about 15 hours ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      FD could reply.

    8. Creator Theta Sigma about 15 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      "Currently it is sitting on position 43 with 2946 current players - http://steamcharts.com/top/p.2 "
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      @Random Element

      "As of 9pm on 22/4/15 E:D peaked at just 4987. Impressive, to say the least."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      At this moment, E:D sits at #40 sandwiched between Dark Souls II and Neverwinter.

      If you compare these three games over the period of a month (well before E:D release) you can see that there certainly has been a 'honeymoon' period for E:D - a peak from which it has dropped.
      Yet, E:D is now following a very similar pattern to the other two games, following the general multiple-day trend.

      http://j.mp/SteamEDHoneymoon

      E:D Steam players have racked up 2.5 million hours in-game, with an average cumulative play-time per-person of 30 hours.
      It's also just surpassed half a million total sales across all platforms.

    9. Creator Theta Sigma about 16 hours ago

      @Avalanche

      Hmmm... let's see.
      Some examples?

      Wyzak on February 17
      "As expected, the trolls just came to troll, and have now disappeared."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      ...well, as you can see, I haven't disappeared - two months later - not exactly 'troll hit-and-run' tactics as suggested by Wyzak on April 4

      The fact that I'm one of the only supporters who bothers to post here any more seems to be interpreted as troll-like behaviour, when it's actually someone presenting their own opinion and refuting along with some analysis, the ludicrous claims made by a group of people who have become used to only their side of the matter being presented whilst lulling themselves into a false sense that their extremely vocal view is somehow shared by the majority (when it demonstrably is not shared by the majority)

      Have you ever wondered why other supporters no longer bother to post?
      Could it be because the atmosphere here has become toxic and virtually any opposing view is immediately ridiculed/rubbished or asserted to be shill-like, troll-like, or the favourite: fan-boy behaviour?

      Jörn Huxhorn on 4 April
      "@Theta Sigma - And that, my friend, is the ultimate proof that you are simply trolling and stealing my time."

      "@Wyzak
      No, Theta Sigma knows perfectly well what trolling is."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Wyzak on April 8
      "@Theta Sigma - Sounds incredibly similar to troll behaviour."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Wyzak on April 9
      @Theta Sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…
      You constantly call us the minority, yet out of the 25,000 backers here you seem unable to get anybody else to back up your views and post regularly? Why is that?

      In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Jörn Huxhorn on 23 April
      "@Wyzak
      Theta Sigma is just trolling."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Wyzak on 23 April
      @Theta Sigma "That's troll-like behaviour to me."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      You may not like my opinions - and I'm sure you can realise that this state of affairs is mutual.
      However, as I've said before, opposing someone else's opinion is not trolling.

      On the other hand, repeatedly posting disingenuous statements (on multiple forums) regarding virtually everything related to a game, its producing company and CEO because: 'Offline/DRM' and furthermore having these posts moderated out of existence and achieving permanent bans from multiple independent forums (Steam, Kickstarter etc.) is much more akin to trolling than reasonably opposing an opinion in a comments section for a product that one backed.

    10. Creator Avalanche about 17 hours ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      Why say "troll"?

    11. Creator Theta Sigma about 18 hours ago

      @Jörn Huxhorn

      "Nope. That's actually not the thing we are discussing. But I didn't expect a different reaction by now."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      So... the date on which Offline mode started being discussed in these comments has no bearing? At all?

      Looking objectively: the removal of Offline mode (and DRM) was the single, solitary instigating event that in turn led to *all* further comments related to refund requests, delays in repayment, refusal of refund for those that had already downloaded and played, threats of legal action and on, and on, and on.
      It is therefore entirely logical to use the date of 16-11-14 as a reference point from which to analyse these comments.

      @Jörn Huxhorn

      RE: 'This comment has been removed by Kickstarter.'

      "Also, this isn't a forum and it isn't moderated." (Jörn Huxhorn on March 25)
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      So, yet another statement presented as fact that turns out to be completely untrue.
      Obviously, these comments are, in fact, moderated.

      Yet I suppose this will only further stoke the conspiracy theories that Frontier are somehow in cahoots with Kickstarter.

      @Avalanche

      "So, not trolling."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      See Jörn Huxhorn's assertion, above: "Also, this isn't a forum and it isn't moderated"

      Except it *is* moderated, and furthermore, *not* by Frontier.
      The fact that Kickstarter saw fit to remove comments from Random Element and Oldschool Shadowrunner is telling.
      Clearly there was something in their comments that didn't fit with the rules of these comments:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/help/community

      Perhaps Random Element and Oldschool Shadowrunner forgot to be 'respectful and considerate' ?
      Reading other posts from them, that assessment certainly is not out of the question.

      Do realise, however, that failure to adhere to comment rules (and then subsequently being subject to external moderation) is very often the mark of a troll.

      Let me be clear: I'm not saying they definitely are trolls - just making some observations, and naturally questioning why their comments were removed.

      It would be edifying for other individuals on here to be able to make their own personal judgement as to whether Random and Oldschool's comments were trolling, or not, but unfortunately we can no longer do this.

    12. Creator Jörn Huxhorn about 19 hours ago

      "i.e. the 'thing we are discussing'"

      Nope. That's actually not the thing we are discussing. But I didn't expect a different reaction by now.

    13. Creator Avalanche 1 day ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      So, not trolling.

    14. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Avalanche

      Angry != Rational || Objective

    15. Creator Avalanche 1 day ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      Angry =/= Trolling

    16. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner @Random Element

      (...and @Jörn Huxhorn for reference/perspective)

      'This comment has been removed by Kickstarter.'

      Isn't this exactly the kind of thing that happens to 'trolls'?

      NOTE:
      The below hyperlinks are, in each case, for the immediately adjacent comment (since the original comments have been deleted)

      Random Element on December 26
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Oldschool Shadowrunner on January 26
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Random Element on February 4
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Random Element on February 5
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Oldschool Shadowrunner on April 5
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Oldschool Shadowrunner on April 7
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

    17. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Jorn Huxhorn

      For your reference:

      The very first 'Offline mode' related comment:

      Lestat: 16-11-14

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

    18. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Jörn Huxhorn

      It's completely unsurprising that you bandy around the terms 'troll', and 'cherry-picked'

      However, do try to realise:

      There are many people in the word who hold opposing views to you.

      These people are perfectly at liberty to present their point of view, and furthermore to analyse data in order to refute absurd and untrue claims such as, "you alone posts about as much as everyone else combined here" (Fabio Capela)

      [remember, the analysis shows that this statement is completely untrue in the ratio 12:1]

      Opposing an opinion does not *imply* that someone is a 'troll'.
      Conversely, it is highly likely that someone will refer to another as a 'troll' should they want to try to discredit the holder of the opposing opinion.
      Use of such a 'strategy' is a very weak and obvious 'defence' against someone who analyses and critiques someone else's statements. It's really not that far removed from calling someone a fascist simply because their view doesn't match with yours.

      You can try to reassure yourself that I somehow misrepresented the data if it makes you feel more comfortable with the results - however, I can confirm to you that the data presented previously was inclusive from 16-11-14 (the use of 16-12-14 was a typo, please accept my apologies - however, the vast majority of references stated 16-11-14)

      I'm more than happy for someone else to independently verify the results - I know some on here have expended some effort investigating Metacritic (...and then posting their analyses to reddit - Wyzak ;-) but it seems there's not the same desire to verify the facts of the matter closer to home... Ah well.

      The choice of the date 16-11-14 was far from cherry-picking.

      If you look back through these comments, 16-11-14 was the date on which the news of offline mode made it into these comments - i.e. the 'thing we are discussing' and hence it is entirely relevant to begin the analysis on that date since *everyone* was equally at liberty to post their views either for, or against the offline decision.

    19. Creator Jörn Huxhorn 1 day ago

      @Wyzak
      Theta Sigma is just trolling.
      "Offline removal" "opposition" is - again, for the nth time - ignoring that we are pissed off about the way FD have handled the whole offline issue, their communication (or lack thereof) and their fraudulent behavior.

      => https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      But that's all just our "White Knight nonsense" while Theta is more into Black Knight nonsense like statistics with inconsistent date ranges and cherry-picked data subsets (64%). ;-)

      This additional row would be nice, for example.
      Frontier Developments | Support | 1 | 0.05

      (Assuming that we are indeed talking about the posts since 2014-12-16, i.e. E:D release date, and not 2014-11-16 (as stated in https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… and most parts of http://j.mp/EDKickstarterCommentsUsualSuspects ). No, I won't write a scraper to verify that myself.)

    20. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Wyzak

      Please read Jedra's comment:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "Well, I guess I am also having trouble understanding the issues. I never even realised they were going to offer an offline mode, so my point of view is always going to be in the 'other camp'. Friday's newsletter did not change anything one bit for me. I do get annoyed when people bandy the word 'liar' though. All the anecdotal and documented evidence so far shows that this decision was made both recently and with heavy heart. I certainly do not think that anyone was out to mislead backers or later beta purchasers. I understand for some this is a change that invalidates some people's purchase, but some of the language used has been downright nasty and personal and I don't think that is the correct way to behave."

      In his own words, his "point of view is in the 'other camp' "
      The 'other camp' does not mean 'sitting on the fence' or 'ambivalent' and nor does it mean 'apathetic'.

      If that's not enough for you, he goes on to explicitly make his position on the matter abundantly clear.

      It is obvious from his statements that he disagrees with pretty much every 'behaviour', opinion and action that you have demonstrated in these comments.

      There really is no way of making it any clearer to you that Jedra is not only *not* 'apathetic', but that he takes the opposing view to you on virtually everything related to offline mode.

      Ultimately, I suppose it's unsurprising that you deliberately misrepresented the post of Jedra's that you quoted, since you have made it very clear on here that your perception of reality seems to be quite different to mine, Jedra's and the vast majority of E:D backers, players and new purchasers.

    21. Creator Avalanche 2 days ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      Neither of those 2.

      @ Wyzak

      They even made 'Steam' a link. A link! :o)

    22. Creator Paul 2 days ago

      @Wyzak lol, I thought the same!

    23. Creator Wyzak 2 days ago

      Woah, they actually mentioned Steam in update #72.

      "We're taking this announcement directly to you, the players. Whether you're on Reddit, Steam, Twitter, Facebook, one of the many international community sites or our own Frontier Forums, we hear you and we hope you're as excited by Powerplay as we are."

      That's the announcement we've been waiting for folks!

    24. Creator Wyzak 2 days ago

      @Theta Sigma https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Have they announced to the shareholders how many refunds they issued? Or are they continuing their legacy of withholding information? Steam release, kickstarter release announcement, offline mode obfuscation etc.

      You keep beating around the bush, and have repeatedly acknowledged that you haven't answered certain questions, yet you still haven't done that. That's troll-like behaviour to me.

      Please read Jedra's comment https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…
      "But, as you know, an offline component was never part of this dream for me so other than a huge amount of empathy for those that are affected by the situation, it hasn't actually affected me."

      I would hardly call that supporting the offline removal - as per your spreadsheet. He is apathetic towards it.

    25. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Avalanche

      A "diversion" from the fact that Elite:Dangerous is almost certain to be a huge success, or your posts are a "diversion" from your day-to-day life? ;-)

    26. Creator Avalanche 2 days ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      That is a diversion.

    27. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Avalanche

      Not only that, you also have the 'Most prolific E:D Kickstarter poster since 16th November 2014' Award, too ;-)

      http://j.mp/EDKickstarterCommentsUsualSuspects

      You've done very well!

    28. Creator Avalanche 2 days ago

      @ Theta Sigma

      Still have my refund.

    29. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Random Element

      That I am 'one man' in a hornet's nest does not in any way imply that the hornets are correct in their perception of events (...regardless of the low level of perception that hornets are capable of ;-)

      In other news:

      Elite:Dangerous sales just surpassed half a million:

      http://www.investegate.co.uk/frontier-dev-plc--fdev-/rns/trading-update/201504220700139117K/

      "Cash Position

      The Group's balance sheet remains strong and, at 31 March 2015, the Group had net cash of approximately £11.4 million. This places the Group in a good financial position to support its continuing investment plans going forwards. As a result, the Group has reviewed its cash resource requirements for the next 12 months and decided to lower its revolving credit facility with Barclays Bank plc from £3m to £1m. This facility expires in May 2016."

      FDEV share price rose by 6% on the news.

      Note: £11.4 million @31st March was *prior* to the Steam release which has so far grossed an additional £2million in sales - this total accounting for the Steam cut (in just 20 days)

      38% of those sales come from the US - which is more good news from a new market perspective (...the US market is not renowned for any particular affinity, with or general knowledge of the previous iterations of Elite)

      Deep down, I think you* all know how this is going to play out ;-)

      * The 9 Usual Suspects ;-)

      Avalanche
      Wyzak
      Oldschool Shadowrunner
      Jörn Huxhorn
      cs
      A New Hope
      Darious
      Random Element
      Fabio Capela

    30. Creator Random Element 2 days ago

      I see the one man pointless crusade is still going strong in the defence of those borderline fraudsters @FDEV. Nice.
      As of 9pm on 22/4/15 E:D peaked at just 4987. Impressive, to say the least.
      Just glad I got my £150 back from Fraudulent Developments PLC.
      Thanks for keeping this place alive and kicking!

      Carry on crusading!

    31. Creator Jörn Huxhorn 2 days ago

      @Theta SIgma:
      Alright. Now evaluate the word-count. ;-)

    32. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @All

      You may be interested in the following:

      http://j.mp/EDKickstarterCommentsUsualSuspects

      ...and especially @Avalanche @Wyzak

      Since we already know you guys are *really* fond of your spreadsheets ;-)

      Wyzak:
      "...and if you look at my spreadsheet, you will see that there are more first posters giving the game 10/10 than there are ones giving the game 0/10."
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Avalanche:
      "Great, thanks Wyzak, now I'm going to need a spreadsheet to look into it ;oP"
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

    33. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @All

      Performing the same analysis on the 'Elite:Dangerous Kickstarter Comments' as per earlier Steam 'Key' analysis:

      Since 16th November 2014
      ( AKA 'Offline Day' )

      Top 2% of posters are responsible for 36% of all posts
      [4 people making 757 posts *opposing* Frontier]

      Top 5% of posters are responsible for 64% of all posts
      [9 people making 1091 posts *opposing* Frontier ~122 posts/person]
      [2 people making 251 posts *supporting* Frontier ~126 posts/person]

      Bottom 48% of posters responsible for only 5% of *all* posts
      [...and *each* of these 48% posted *once* only]

      In summary...

      An *extremely* similar distribution of posts as per the Steam thread:

      i.e.

      A *very* vocal minority of posters in opposition to 'Offline Removal'
      A *large majority* of one-time posters.

      @Fabio Capela

      So, your assertion:

      "...kinda ironic when you alone posts about as much as everyone else combined here"

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      ...is flat-out simply untrue:

      I have posted, on average, broadly the same number of posts as each of the top 5% most prolific posters.

      Even in the top 5% of posters:

      The number of posts "from everyone else combined here" (your words) in fact *outnumber* my posts in the ratio of 12:1 (!)

    34. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Jörn Huxhorn

      "tally sheet"

      As I have previously observed:

      "...you [Jörn Huxhorn] are undoubtedly a highly intelligent person."

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      I can multi-task: Furthermore, I enjoy analysis, programming and Elite:Dangerous

      These interests are not mutually exclusive ;-)

    35. Creator Jörn Huxhorn 2 days ago

      @Theta Sigma
      Our motivation for that amount of posts is "malice and/or malicious intent". You explained that already.
      What is your motivation again? Doing a tally sheet of all posts since December? E:D must be one hell of a game if you rather do that than play it.

    36. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Fabio Capela

      On the face of it, I entirely agree:
      That would indeed be pretty funny and ironic
      (...if it told anything like the whole story ;-)

      However, note that I still have some way to go to catch @Avalanche and @Jörn Huxhorn in terms of number of posts to E:D Kickstarter:

      Number of posts to Elite: Dangerous Kickstarter Comments since 16th December 2014...

      Avalanche: 220
      Jörn Huxhorn: 161
      Theta Sigma: 119

      Fabio, It would have really helped others to understand what's going on here if you'd added (at least one piece of) context here, too:

      In Wyzak's own words:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "You [Theta Sigma] constantly call us the minority, yet out of the 25,000 backers here you seem unable to get anybody else to back up your views and post regularly? Why is that?"

      So, Wyzak has observed/asserted that I'm the *only* person here posting an opposing view to his (and yours...)

      If you check back through my posts, you'll see that following my *very first post* to @Oldschool Shadowrunner I have been mostly replying to questions that were asked of me and which were prompted by my first post (and, doubly ironically, in which I was harangued/castigated by many of the following list, for *not* replying *immediately* ;-)

      Avalanche
      Jörn Huxhorn
      Wyzak
      Oldschool Shadowrunner
      Random Element
      Darious
      Yourself: Fabio Capela

      (...to name but seven ;-)

      Therefore, it is completely unsurprising (and furthermore entirely to be expected) that the number of posts I have made has started to increase - especially when I'm repeatedly asked/cajoled (by Wyzak, amongst others) to "answer" questions that I have, in the majority, *already* answered multiple times.

      So, in summary, following my very first post, many of the above list reprimanded me for *not* replying, and now you are reprimanding me for replying *too much*.

      That really is meta-irony, Fabio.

      Well done.

      Context is crucial ;-)

    37. Creator Fabio Capela 2 days ago

      @Theta Sigma
      You are aware that complaining about the 1% top posters being responsible for 22% of all posts is kinda ironic when you alone posts about as much as everyone else combined here, I take it.

      BTW, I do agree with the one you said was "ranting". Frontier gave me the worst experience I've had with a gaming company in the last ten years or so, hands down, and that is kinda telling for someone that spends a few thousand dollars per year with games. Of course, for most of that time I've flat out refused to purchase anything from EA or from Ubisoft, so those two don't enter the comparison.

    38. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @All

      RE: Steam thread on keys...

      Example of 'reasonable/rational' [1 post in 20 days]

      "i dont understand why so many rant about not having keys and furthermore blame fd no matter what. dont get me wrong, id love to be able to add my copy to steam just as everyone else does. but due to the scale of pre-steam sales its understandable that there is an issue. i have had keys provided for other products i have purchased outside of steam in a matter of days but those were things that had very limited sales on steam itself. look at it this way, fd are trying to come to an agreement so they give what the community want so the issue is no doubt steam putting up the fight. why blame fd when they are trying to help? to fd, i imagine its nothing letting pre-steam copys being added to steam. i think the real issue is with steam but untill we get a yes or no we wont know the reason behind the delay."

      Example of 'multiple-post/ranting' [176 posts in 20 days!]

      "TBH regardless of what happens. I do hope FD goes bankrupt. Its clear they could care less about customers or this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Much less go on like it has for a week almost."

    39. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Adam DZ

      Hi! You are correct.

      Here's a brief timeline of Elite: Dangerous releases:

      v1.0 16-12-14 'Initial release' [via Frontier's online store]
      v1.1 03-02-15 'Community Goals'
      v1.2 10-03-15 'Wings'

      v1.2 02-04-15 'Wings' [via Steam with no fanfare or announcement]

      Total pre-Steam sales: ~430,000

      v1.3 IMMINENT 'PowerPlay'

      Total Steam sales to-date: ~70,000

      Since Steam release, on 2nd April, there have been many hundreds of thousands of words of speculation posted (varying from single messages of support, to very, very angry multiple-posts decrying Frontier) surrounding the likelihood of whether Frontier will release Steam keys for pre-Steam purchasers of E:D.

      Latest official word from Frontier Steam Hub:

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      Elite: Dangerous Steam Hub
      frontier_communitymanager:
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      20th April @ 10:55am
      "Hi everyone,
      Sorry for the delay in getting more info to you about the keys. Unfortunately there's nothing more I can announce on this subject today. I hope to have more information ASAP."
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      20th April @ 10:59am
      "I think it's very cool that KSP (Squad) were able to do this for their community, but I'm sure you understand that companies are structured differently, and therefore have to conduct procedure differently. We absolutely do appreciate our community, and I wish we were able to give you more info on this sooner."
      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
      20th April @ 11:05am
      "I'd rather not say until I can be completely accurate. Don't want to say anything, and then it not be true. I think our initial estimate of 'weeks' when we first came out on Steam still stands true though."

    40. Creator Adam DZ 3 days ago

      Sorry, I haven't been following this project but I gather that the Steam keys are not released yet or did I miss something?

    41. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @All

      Let me present the analysis in another way:

      Top 1% of posters are responsible for 22% of all posts

      Bottom 67% of posters responsible for 21% of all posts

      [and *each* of these 67% posted *once* only]

      These kind of figures bring to mind the absurd inequality of wealth in the US ;-)

      "There's a chart I saw recently that I can't get out of my head..."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch…

    42. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Fabio Capela

      Of course, you're assuming that those 719 'one-time posters' are *all* asking for/angry about Steam keys.
      Yet there is evidence that many have posted once stating the delay doesn't bother them, and are more than happy to wait/advising others how to add a non-Steam game.

      I'm really not interested in doing any further analysis here - what I've presented thus far points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that angry people post multiple times and thus skew the perception of the untrained observer - as per previous Metacritic analyses ;-)

      10 posters responsible for 773 posts (that's 22% of all posts on the topic)
      Crazy people.

      @Wyzak

      "Currently it is sitting on position 43 with 2946 current players"

      Please try to remember, as per previous discussions on this very topic, E:D rises and falls through the day out of sync with the other games with a similar number of players.

      It tends towards #30ish around 10pm GMT/BST and falls towards #40ish during UK/US working day.

      Also remember, it has never moved outside #25 to #50 since 2nd April.

    43. Creator Fabio Capela 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma
      Forum posters, angry or not, are always a small minority. I believe the typical number with most games is something to the order of 10% of players reading the forums, with about a tenth of those posting regularly. Hence the saying that each complaint on the forums represents dozens of unhappy players; while not guaranteed to be true, it's unwise to expect most players, or even most unhappy players, to air out their misgivings on the forums, or to expect that all players that don't speak up are happy.

      And, to make things more interesting, the make up of forum posters tends to differ from that of the players as a whole, for obvious reasons: more outgoing players tend to be far more present on the forums than their actual numbers would suggest. Which means that any issue that is particularly important to outgoing players will have its forum response out of proportion, perhaps grossly so.

      In other words, there's no way to tell exactly how much of an issue the lack of Steam keys is, but it certainly can't be dismissed out of hand.

      Sincerely, if a thread has attracted hundreds of players that don't regularly post on the forums — as the fact over 700 people posted a single time attests to — I would consider it a major issue. Those posts by people that posted just once would already make the thread about the Steam keys larger and more active than the next few pages of the game's Steam forums added together.

    44. Creator Wyzak 3 days ago

      And out of the 1068 unique posters what was the ratio of want Steam key / don't want Steam key?

      Seems like if there's one thing that FDEV can do amazingly well it's to alienate it's customer base. A 100 here, a 1000 there. That's probably why their steamchart is going sideways and down. Currently it is sitting on position 43 with 2946 current players - http://steamcharts.com/top/p.2

    45. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @All

      ...and more specifically @Wyzak

      To summarise the analysis still further:

      Steam Hub Elite:Dangerous sticky thread:
      "Please read before posting on this subject: Steam Keys and current customers 'look into it and go from there'"

      http://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/611702631213153649/

      Percentage of total posters [ X ] vs percentage of total posts [ Y ]

      [ X ] - - - - - - - [ Y ]

      00.9 - - - - - - 22.7
      09.4 - - - - - - 58.6
      18.7 - - - - - - 69.8
      28.1 - - - - - - 70.9
      32.8 - - - - - - 79.0

      It's truly incredible that less than 10% of posters are responsible for almost 60% of all posts on the thread.

      To put it another way:

      100 unique posters are responsible for 2000 posts (out of a total of 3412)

      The Top 100 'most prolific' posters average 20 posts *each* since 2nd April
      The Bottom 719 'least prolific' posters have each posted *only once* since 2nd April

      The Top10 most prolific posters average 77 posts *each* since 2nd April
      (...that's an average of 4 posts per day, each and every day, for the entire 20 days since Steam launch!)

      #firstworldproblems much?!

    46. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Wyzak

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "The Steam release has still not been announced in a newsletter, and the thousands of posters on the forums and the Steam community are still waiting for FDEV to tell them that they won't be receiving Steam keys."

      Interesting. I suspected that this might be yet another tawdry example of a few, very angry/prolific posters skewing the perception of the severity of the issue.

      Therefore, yesterday I did some analysis of the Steam forums on the sticky thread regarding Steam Keys:

      http://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/611702631213153649/

      So, at first glance a bloated thread with seemingly 'thousands of posters' (your words, Wyzak ;- )

      Let's drill down:

      Number of posts: 3412
      Unique posters: 1068

      Interesting.
      Already, with little analysis we can see that on, average, it would seem there are around 3 posts per poster.

      Amazingly, however, the Top 2 'most prolific posters' have posted a staggering 170+ posts *each* in the thread in just 20 days...

      Let's drill down further:

      Top 10 most prolific posters account for 773 posts (wow!)
      Top 100 most prolific posters account for 1999 posts (woah!)
      Top 300 most prolific posters account for 2694 posts (wah!?)

      So, to summarise:

      33% (or 350 posters) have made 80% of all 3412 posts on the thread
      67% (or 719 posters) have just one post on the subject, accounting for just 20% of all 3412 posts on the thread.

      Conclusion:
      As per the original Metacritic nonsense, a small, angry and vocal minority post numerous angry posts thus giving the appearance that their little problem is shared by the majority - when in fact, the majority care not.

      @All

      Feel free to independently verify the above analysis ;-)

    47. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Wyzak

      'Patience', young Padawan ;-)

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      Elite: Dangerous Steam Hub
      frontier_communitymanager:

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      20th April @ 10:55am

      "Hi everyone,

      Sorry for the delay in getting more info to you about the keys. Unfortunately there's nothing more I can announce on this subject today. I hope to have more information ASAP."

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      20th April @ 10:59am

      "I think it's very cool that KSP (Squad) were able to do this for their community, but I'm sure you understand that companies are structured differently, and therefore have to conduct procedure differently. We absolutely do appreciate our community, and I wish we were able to give you more info on this sooner."

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      20th April @ 11:05am

      "I'd rather not say until I can be completely accurate. Don't want to say anything, and then it not be true. I think our initial estimate of 'weeks' when we first came out on Steam still stands true though."

    48. Creator Theta Sigma 3 days ago

      @Wyzak

      Theta Sigma is a realist ;-)

    49. Creator Wyzak 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "If Frontier release Steam keys for existing players, that would immediately put E:D in the Top5 in the Steam Charts."

      So why have they been stalling for 3 weeks?

    50. Creator Wyzak 3 days ago

      @Theta Sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      That's funny, I see a game that has stagnated barely a week after the launch.

      Still no news on the Steam keys - three weeks and counting

      Still no announcement of the Steam release in the newsletters.

      Still no response to the multiple bug reports I posted on their forums.

      Still no response from Theta Sigma on the outstanding questions.

      Still only Theta Sigma who insists on defending FDEV - is it too early to suggest that you are an employee, or a shareholder, or just a blind loyalist?

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