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    1. Dice Man about 8 hours ago

      Just my random post for this month - everyone I know in person who bought Elite (6 people) no longer play it, including me.

    2. Oldschool Shadowrunner about 11 hours ago

      "f you don't trust the people who make the game you want to play, how can you trust the game getting better?"


      I know I'm getting downvoted for this, but since OP is asking where the hate is coming from, well I can give him just that. At least the hypocrates here realize they are, because there won't be a post in this thread more relevant than mine. So here it is, the top 10 reason an obsessed Elite fan turned to hate Elite with the same passion - and why.

      1. Most likely because FD horrendously underperforms with each update being fun for about an hour.

      2. These updates so far, most notably the FIRST update of a season pass, usually come with way too long breaks. We are about to be 6 months in his year without a single content update for your money.

      3. FD is just the worst company regarding communication towards the people whokeep them alive. We had to pitch and fork bang their gates for about 3 months toeven recieve any kind of information which update of the season pass is comingfirst and in what order they plan to relase the rest. You don't do that to people ANDgo dark on the topic for a quarter year (possibly more if not being forced) afteryou asked for 60$ upfront.

      4. Oh yeah, the price! Remember how they changed the pricing? Horizons used toinclude the base game too. Then two months after relase, they pick it out andreduce Horizons price about the same or somewhat below what we paid with ourloyality discount. Then they throw some paint out for one ship that I can wipe myass with, and stand back behind the blind whiteknight fans who they also screwed,but they still protect FD no matter what.

      5. The future. Elite gates hated for it's future, what it is now, what we know it will beand won't be in the coming years, and that we don't know what to expect to fill outthe rest. Personally for me, I'm not into planetary landings at all, yet I boughtHorizons for it's other features, not knowing I'll have to wait 6 months (while it'sprice is getting reduced) without a single update. Then I hear other things I'minterested about, mainly about landing on atmospheric planets that have life (LIFE,not life=1 on the galaxy screen, actual sh.t around us like a jungle) won't becoming in the NEXT expansion either. Even better, atmospheric planets aren'tcoming in the next expansion at all. Meaning I'm expected after all this to investmore money and trust in the next expansion, and "hope" to get what I'm interestedin after that, for the 3rd season pass (earliest 2018 sometime) I pay for on top ofthe base game. Knowing that, No Man's Sky's privitive ship control doesn't botherme that much all of a sudden, but dare I mention it, -50 votes.

      6. That brings us to the community, as essentially being half the game. It is whatkeeps CGs moving, the brutal grindfest no working / family man can do Powerplayis moved by, the whole thing is about the community - or if isn't, it's just grind tothe goal ship you have in mind and leave the game after. So the community. I'lltell you what I don't like about it. They are willing to fill up reddig main page with~12-15 different threads about copilots (=their cats sitting the desk with Elite onscreen), but any valuable thread that dares to negatively criticise their preciousElite, it gets downvoted faster than any man has a chance to even fully read OP. Iknow, because I've put a half days's of work about 10 times into analysis, trying tobacktrack design decisions, trying to find the reason and intention behind thingsand why they are the way they are and how we are supposed to have fun with it inlongterm (undeniably Elite is incredibly amazing for the first couple of dozens ofhours until you hit the grindwall when you try to upgrade to a Python or something- this is coming from an old 'Conda pilot). You know what these efforts get? Instantdownvote. I even tested it a few times and started to read my own well (and in agentlemen's manners) written threads as fast as I could and belive me I'm a fastreader, it had -15 before I was halfway done reading my own text. This place issome cult or extremeist religion, you don't fit in they make you hate yourself forputting the time and effort into the group, you dare to fight back and point out it'smore valuable for a conversation than your god damn 5z463654356th cat picture,they skin you alive because you hurt their illusion. Why am I wasting my time herenow, you may ask? Well I'm waiting for Overwatch and other games just don'tquite cut it since it's beta

      7. The game at this point to many of us old players (being here since start or before),seem to be hopeless. No matter what update they add, it's always a new kind ofrandom generated endless grind. I'm not saying it's not good, newcomers willdefinitly enjoy it and exploring everything for the first time, but us veterans justsee another RNG grind layer, to improve our ship, so we can RNG grind moreeffectively. Honestly it's like Diablo, but sadly with about 1% of it's gameplayvariety. Many of us, including me, just don't see a way anymore how to help that,and with FDev either going dark as they constantly do or speak about somethingelse like the problem doesn't exist while zombies grind their treadmill, it's notexactly hopeful from our perspective. I'd be the first to throw more money to themfor shitty hilariously limited in usage skins / paintjobs if I'd see a reason to supportthem, but in the last 2,5 years we barely got anything meaningful for the price of 2games, while they continously remake already existing things. How many timesthey tried to fix the horrible missions so far? 4? 5? Yeah that sounds about a year'sworth of update. I do hope for the best based on what I've seen of the beta, for thesake of those still enjoying Elite, but honestly they failed so many times and SO,SO, SO SLOWLY I just don't seem to be able to care anymore. I decided it's betteroff for me without Elite, because of the people behind it. If you don't trust thepeople who make the game you want to play, how can you trust the game gettingbetter? That's the dilemma and has been for a long time, but after 2,5 years seeingwhat we can expect, many people decided they have their answer. Hence thenegative reviews you asked about.

      (8.) It's a grind. Every grind game gets boring after a while, and every grind game is built with psychological motivators built in - some are easier to hook, some are harder, but usually works on everyone including me - the difference between us is how long they have the grasp on you. Well they lost it on me, and yet I'm here. Because I see the amazing potential Elite has, I was for a very, very long time absolutely obsessed with David Braben's vision, following his every word like the people of NOD do with Kane in CnC games (ONE VISION, ONE PURPOSE!), but through the past 2,5 years I had to realize all his speach won't come to reality, or will take 2-3-4-5 more season passes that I'm not willing to pay upfront, but more importantly, I won't waste my years waiting for it while grinding in the ACTUAL game. Then when you drop the game and say, I'll come back with the patches, look around what is happening to other games with similar or worse (for the consumer) business models, you realize how little things you are starving for here, and how they underperform even with those. Suddenly even if you are sometimes keeping a half eye on what's up with the community (cycles of space screenshots, cat pictures, roleplay propaganda posters, hateposts when finally everyone is fed up with FD's shit, e.g. pricechange 2 months after hooking people in on Horizons), what's up with the game's updates.... you just don't see anything to come back for. Not even anything upcoming, because FD is literally not creating anything else than a new layer of grind. They had ONE shot at doing something new with Engineers, well diceroll upgrades for your ship paid with rock collecting grind, so if you are lucky you can have a somewhat better module to continue grinding with.

      (9.) The more you play, the more you start to see the essential problems, such as often broken instancing, the fact that the entire so called universe is actually a little randomly generated room around you, and the glorious background mechanism is just a thing that sets the limits what is getting generated for you. Nothing is persistant, you have no effect on anything, you are worth less than the dust you spread with your wheels (oh by the way, thanks for the dust update, 4 months in after the season pass's relase content!). This doesn't bother new players, because they are busy with exploring their own ship, their own options, their goal in Elite and the ways to achieve it. But when you reach a point where you can say, I'm done, this is me, this is who I wanted to be in Elite, this is what ship I wanted to have outfitted like this, you'll understand there is NOTHING ELSE in the game. You can't make personal

    3. Oldschool Shadowrunner 6 days ago

      It has been a down week for Frontier, and on not just the share price.
      Elite Dangerous Steam review score down to 65%. The lowest ever recorded for the game.
      Elite Dangerous Steam average players down to 2,806.1. The lowest ever recorded for the game.
      Elite Dangerous Arena Steam reviews score down to 45%. . The lowest ever recorded for the game.

      Elite Dangerous Arena Steam average players down to 3.4 (yes, 3.4). . The lowest ever recorded for the game.
      The Frontier share rampers here will doubtless be along RSN to tell us how this is actually good news.

    4. deusx_ophc 6 days ago

      just about time to make this all a male doubles, innit! have fun pretty boys =)

    5. deusx_ophc 6 days ago

      proinvestors101 right here! sage commentary. one day this might actually make it into a book. keep on posting boys ^^

    6. Oldschool Shadowrunner 6 days ago

      > A drop of 19.1% in the last 5 months and getting close to that 52 week low...

      Now dropped further, gone below the 52 week low, and down to the lowest for two years...

      ... since David Braben made millions selling he own shares near the peak in March 2014.
      Evidently Mr Braben knew something significant then that his regular investor shareholders did not. Possibly the fact he was about to reneg on his promise to deliver the game to the backers who paid for it's development, and falsely claim they were not entitled to refunds.

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      Wyzak 6 days ago…
      52 Week High 245.50 52 Week High Date 22-DEC-2015
      52 Week Low 193.50 52 Week Low Date 23-SEP-2015
      Yesterday’s Close: 198.50

      A drop of 19.1% in the last 5 months and getting close to that 52 week low...

      Crack open the champagne shareholders - deusx_ophc and Theta Sigma

    8. deusx_ophc on May 19

      ohh look i got a rise out of both our prime trolls ^^ #nomnom

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      Wyzak on May 18

      @deusx_ophc -…

      Thanks for confirming that you too are a shareholder of FDEV. I guess it's just an amazing coincidence that the two people who are constantly downplaying any issues and exaggerating the benefits just happen to both be shareholders in this company.

    10. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 18

      deusx_ophc wrote: "FDEV investors will mainly hold long term and they are fully aware of the opportunity we have at hand."
      I'd guess David Braben and Chris Sawyer, the two largest original shareholders, are "fully aware of the opportunity" afforded by FDEV shares. They have sold millions of their shares since the failure of Elite Dangerous to ship in March 2014.
      "clearly analysing the FDVE chart of a random month is how #doominvestors "
      Try analysing the FDEV share price chart since around the the date Braben was supposed to ship the finished Elite Dangerous, to now. From 306p down to 192p and still falling.
      "i am very happy holding those shares"
      You carry on doing that. Help out Mr Braben by slowing the share price drop so that he can get the maximum £££ out of the next chunk of shares he dumps.

    11. deusx_ophc on May 18

      i am very happy holding those shares, still sitting pretty at 50%+. FDEV investors will mainly hold long term and they are fully aware of the opportunity we have at hand.

      but you are right, clearly analysing the FDVE chart of a random month is how #doominvestors judge their investments ^^

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      Wyzak on May 18… - another good run for shareholders over the last month

    13. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 17

      Frontier are up to their fifth attempt to get a working beta release for Engineers, and still they are breaking things:…

    14. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 13

      "Given that Frontier released an unfinished game, then an unfinished expansion, then and unfinished addon, I would say that the frustration on the part of players is quite understandable. Elite had a lot of potential but it is boring as all fuck. Its been out for almost two years now and FD is still soaking their customer base with these 'season passes' that give you nothing but half finished half baked patchwork additions to a game which is indeed a mile wide and an inch deep."

    15. Doctor Doom on May 13


      Well, I said this day would come.
      Theta Sigma on 6th Februray, 2016
      "@deusx_ophc There's a new doom-prophecy doing the rounds and - for once, on here - this one is almost certain..."…
      Perhaps the doom-mongers can finally gain some long-sought-after consolation from this? %^]

    16. Doctor Doom on May 12

      In the land of the doomed the one-trick doomsayer is 'king (hilarious) %^]

    17. deusx_ophc on May 12

      well for @os that is therapy ^^

    18. Doctor Doom on May 12

      That's appalling

    19. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 12

      User poll on Frontier's latest attempt to fix-up the appaling mess that is ED.…

      "88% of the people DO NOT want the currently implemented grind-fest that came with the Engineers.

      Here is the link to it. Sorry that I forgot to link it in the first place.…

      I am on the same boat. I am so sick and tired of this grinding mechanic. It's not fun for anyone. Who in their right mind would ever think that someone would enjoy doing something over and over and over without any variation or anything new to see? For example, it appears we are going to have to craft a bunch of different modules to gain trust with the Engineers. We get the materials from spending hours upon hours finding the right materials to make that module. It is much like the "craft and trash" mechanic in MMORPGs where you craft like 1,000 iron daggers to get your next smithing level and crap. There is no depth, or theme, as to why we're doing this to gain trust with the Engineers. We're just doing it to keep us busy.

      Honestly it's like PowerPlay all over again. When FD releases such a huge update like this, they almost always butcher it because they wait to release the majority of the info 2 weeks before its beta release. By then it's way too late to make any changes, and too late for the community to give them feedback. By now I'd expect FD to understand that we hate grinding. PowerPlay was the first example of that. I guess arrogance is stronger than logic.

      I am so disappointed with the way Engineers was implemented. I don't have time to spend hours upon hours looking for materials to upgrade my ship. However, I do not mind putting in the work of completing themed missions for these Engineers to get my upgrades. That way everyone spends the same amount of time getting the same upgrades. Otherwise people with no lives will have a huge advantage over the people who have too much going on in their life to spend 4-5 hours a day on a game.

      Anyway, I know some of you won't care if I say this, and even encourage me to leave because of the way this community acts sometimes... But I'm losing interest in ED because I see a pattern with the development that is making the game repulsive to me."

    20. Doctor Doom on May 12

      OK OS: if you type it, it must be true. Right? %^]

    21. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 12

      Theta Sigma, a.k.a. Frontier PR man, wrote "Do you even know what "a Betas" are, bro?".
      I know what a Frontier Beta is. A very poorly tested update having even more bugs that usual that obstruct user testing of the update before full release. That's why after every so-called beta, FD releases the update with a ton of bugs that just add to the growing pile.

    22. Doctor Doom on May 12

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Do you even know what "a Betas" are, bro?


    23. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 11

      Frontier's incompetence knows no bounds. They've just broken the ED galaxy AGAIN!…

    24. deusx_ophc on May 11

      @Theta Sigma
      those guys are abusing this comments sections as their own private (erm not SO private ^^) therapy session, nothing more nothing less. they deserve a mention here

    25. Doctor Doom on May 10

      @Wyzak @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Some thoughts and reflections on the history of your posts...

      Your joint mission to trash-talk Elite: Dangerous over the past 18 months has been rather like watching an UltraSloMo of the slowest-of-slow car-crashes ever witnessed.

      Surely you both realised a long time ago how this is going to end?

      If not, allow me to paint you a picture:

      As the months and years progress, your incessant posting of deliberately negatively-skewed comments in here will appear ever more absurd given the reality of this game's success and Frontier Developments' success.

      As has already happened on multiple occasions, every one of your 'End of Days' scenarios will fail to transpire, likely replaced by yet further bold and false predictions. Each of them almost certain to fail to come to pass. Again. And again. And again.

      Basically: Wrong (Again)

      All that will remain will be the ever-increasing obviousness that your bitterness over offline mode left you blind all along to objective reality.

      This will all be lightly seasoned with occasional 'On This Day in Kickstarter History' and 'Blast From The Past' quotes so that anyone else still bothering to read may enjoy the futility of your strange and confident prophecies.

    26. Doctor Doom on May 10

      Hi Wyzak,

      When you state, "Another misleading post" - to whom exactly are you referring?

      For the Nth time in well over a year you misleadingly attempt to perpetuate your opinion that 'Concurrent Players Online' is some kind of proxy for 'Regular Players' or the metric 'Players in 2 weeks'

      Let's take a look at what SteamDB has to say on the matter of 'Players in 2 weeks', shall we?
      Players in 2 weeks:
      Friday 8th April 72,387
      Monday 8th May 71,407
      Suggestion: In order that your posts are not misleading to others, perhaps you should have more factually stated:
      1. Players in 2 weeks have declined by 1.97% over the course of the past month
      2. The graph of Players in 2 weeks over this period has remained effectively constant

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      Wyzak on May 9

      Another misleading post from the shareholder, here are all the facts:
      RECENT: Mixed (888 reviews) (66%)
      OVERALL: Mixed (14,249 reviews) (65%)
      RECENT: Mostly Positive (61 reviews) (78%)
      OVERALL: Mixed (282 reviews) (65%)
      Four consecutive months of decline, and the last 30 days are also in decline.

    28. Doctor Doom on May 7

      Current Customer Experience* of Elite Dangerous: Horizons
      User reviews:
      RECENT: Mostly Positive (61 reviews)
      78% of the 61 user reviews in the last 30 days are positive.
      *according to Valve

    29. Doctor Doom on May 6

      Wyzak on 30th Mar 2016…

      " - 62%* - 65%*

      *These factual figures are posted without any shareholder manipulation.
      Hey Wyzak, I'm sure you'll be "ecstatic" to read that Steam have, only this week, updated their Customer Review System:
      -Valve - 3rd May 2016

      'Customer Review System Updated To Show Recent Reviews And Summary'
      "One common theme we've been seeing in customer feedback about the Steam review system is that it isn't always easy to tell what the current experience is like in a game months after release. This new set of changes released today is designed to better describe the current customer experience in those games. We do this by better exposing the newly posted reviews and by calculating a summary of those recent reviews."
      So, Wyzak, bearing all that in mind let's take another look at those "factual figures" you're so very fond of, shall we?
      . - 75%* (64%)** - 66%* (65%)**

      *Recent User Reviews (in the last 30 days)
      ** All-Time User Reviews (not including that time 73% (604/831) reviews were deleted when Standalone EDH was removed from Steam)

      Yup, despite your best efforts to suggest otherwise over a period of more than a year it certainly looks as though the "current customer experience" (Valve's words) is improving since your last all-time average post on 30th March 2016

      +11% for Horizons

      +3% for Elite:Dangerous

      ...and that's before 2.1 and 1.6 make their full debut.

      Also, interesting to note:

      - That 75% for Horizons is 3% higher than the 72% (604/831) positive reviews the game received before Standalone EDH was removed completely from Steam - along with removal of all the reviews, both positive or negative.

      - That 75% for Horizons is also up 2% from (62% to 64%) since your 30th March post
      Hello? Wyzak? You still there bro?

      I'm sure in future you won't forget to post the 'Last 30 Days' review percentages in order to more accurately assess and represent the "current customer experience", will you? %^]

    30. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 5

      "half of the VR community is getting nowhere fast since playing Elite with the Vive is a huge waste of time. The resolution is too low, the upscaling of it makes text illegible and the performance is terrible."

      "The image quality is terrible. It is like watching it under water (especially near lights) and the frame lag is unplayable. I've tried everything from reseting the Nvidia settings to defaults, setting the ED GFX options to low. Makes no difference.

    31. Doctor Doom on May 5

      @Oldschool Shadowrunnner

      Since you're such a big fan of Reddit copypasta, you should really take a look over on the oculus subreddit for further examples of the potential reasons that your #doom prophecies seem increasingly unlikely to come to pass.

      Also note, one would expect to find somewhat more independent and objective comments in a non-ED-specific subreddit than those might find in the EliteDangerous subreddit.
      Submitted on: 01 May 2016
      458 POINTS (85% Upvoted)

      "Elite Dangerous... Jesus *****-****ing Christ"

      "I'm a huge space nerd and I heard wonderful things about Elite Dangerous in VR over the last year or so and thus checking this game out when I got my Rift was an absolute no brainer.

      I..... honestly cannot describe how utterly amazing this is. I was breathless. I honestly haven't done anything of note in the actual game itself other than deliver some cargo to a nearby space station but the scenery alone is worth the $40 I spent.

      I shifted out of hyper drive to land at this space station which happened to be on the dark side of this massive planet that was eclipsing it's massive host star and It took me forever to actually land correctly because I could not stop staring out my side window at the scene.. it was literally breathtaking.

      I was there. It honestly felt like I was. Up until now, all the VR experiences and games I've had have been mind blowing but this was another level of mind blowing for me.

      My dad, who is also a space nerd, is coming over next weekend to check out my Rift and I absolutely cannot wait to show him Elite Dangerous.

      I'm looking forward to learning more about how the actual game works too.. but for right now, just cruising through space is amazing."
      Submitted on: 01 May 2016
      118 POINTS (89% Upvoted)

      "Elite Dangerous Arena : You should be playing this"

      "I just want to re-iterate how good Elite Arena is. Even if you don't want the full game you can pick this up for £5 and it is an absolute blast. It is far superior to Eve Valkyrie in terms of game play.

      It can be a little slow matchmaking, because not enough people are playing it, hence this post.
      It is the best PVP VR experience for me yet, hands down. Intense, fast paced and fun with a skill curve that allows you to keep improving.

      I would recommend doing the tutorials first, then getting stuck into some Team DM. Incidentally the tutorials in this are a glimpse of the full game of Elite , and a great VR experience in their own right.

      It benefits massively from having a HOTAS but is certainly playable with the control pad.
      When you compare the depth and polish of this for FIVE POUNDS it's a must have compared to most of the £10-15 content available atm."

      "Elite Dangerous Arena is where 90% of my VR play time goes.

      The flight model feels exactly right. Flying feels great for a beginner, but then just gets better as you improve, to the point where you can do amazing things when you get the hang of toggling flight assist on and off. If you have ever had dreams of being a space ace, you cannot get closer than Elite Dangerous Arena in VR right now."

    32. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 5

      If you were the boss in charge to ED, how would you address the enormous backlog of game-breaking bugs? Or would you just ignore them and carry on adding new expansions... which make the bug pile even bigger?


      Horizons, incredibly buggy or just incredibly unlucky? A poor first experience.

      Hey folks,
      I got Horizons the other day, have had the core game for a while, and just recently got to testing the SRV and was met with nothing but problems, here is the play by play of what happened.
      Deployed SRV. Unable to move, no button reactions. Press W and nothing goes vroom. Check in controls, zero keybindings are set up.
      -Realized that this would take a few minutes, I decided to use what was working, the 1-5 UI buttions and select the option to go back into the ship. Shlurp, get sucked up into the ship, black screen... wait a few second... a few more. Take a big ol drink of beer, aaaaand game crash. Error message came up saying unable to access file, email support if it happens again yadda yadda.
      -Load back into game, screen loads up, and... I'm falling? I'm back in the SRV and looks like I'm clipping under the ground of the planet and falling to the core. Okay whatever, I've seen that happen before on this subreddit. Exit and restart AGAIN and see if that helps.
      -Load back in, it sort of helped. I'm clipped under the ground but I'm not moving. At this point I figured I was temporarily cursed to be stuck in this SRV so I started setting up the controls. After switching to the turret it looks like my turret was actually hooked above ground and leaving me hanging there, no ship to be seen around above or below.
      -So with my newfound controls I boost up out of the ground and bam! Finally on my feet. I can't recall the ship due to being beside a base I was pewpewing a few minutes ago, so I set out on a mad dash to get away from the folks I so non-nonchalantly murdered earlier. A little leap up a hill and a few moments later over a plateau I glance down at my hull and pips, 2 sys, 4 engine, 97% hull. Cool. I look up to whats ahead of me, and almost immediately after I do there is a little tug, a jerk perhaps of the SRV to one side. I let go of the gas (Was trying assisted and unassisted) and coast to a stop. Looking at my hull, 39%!? I wasn't even stopped by something. Turning around, I then look to find the space deer I hit, but only see a sprawling field of small rocks and a lingering cloud of confusion.
      That was it for the buggy weirdness. From there I leaped off the plateau into a canyon, and having seen folks jump SRVs on this subreddit before, I figured I had it under control. With the grace and beauty of someone skydiving with their mouth wide open I landed a dull wheels down thud with a slight bounce. No damage? Huh. Definitely had to be space deers then.
      So folks, heres what I came away with and here are my questions
      -Horizons still needs lots of work, and damn is it pricey for how much work it appears to need.
      -SRV with or without assist? Besides the way the throttle is handled, is there any benefit to wheels down overland with it off or on?
      -Will running on the surface always be this trouble filled? Is the SRV prone to ghostly space deer damage often?
      -Do all of those damn turrets at bases self repair so damn fast?
      -If I reset my controls (god forbid with the mountain of customs I have set up) will it default my SRV controls, deadzones, sensitivity etc to a workable default?
      -Any good place, video reference, etc to practice good SRV technique and control-ability?
      ~CMDR Rioclaw

    33. deusx_ophc on May 4

      just a quick reminder what else this #doomed company aka FDEV is working on. a fan flic of a little something built in planet coaster alpha. vaguely space related ^^…

    34. Doctor Doom on May 4

      ...with a Scottish accent %^]

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      It is not "the only thing increasing"

      How about the frequency of your posts on here as we approach the inevitable endpoint of this increasingly tedious and futile "discussion" ?

    35. deusx_ophc on May 4

      @dave woods
      now i have that image of @os in my head - thanks ^^

    36. Doctor Doom on May 4

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Are you trying to say this game is #doomed? %^]

    37. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 3

      Steam Charts shows ED player numbers fall for fourth month in a row.

      The only thing increasing is the rate at which player number are decreasing - highest for last three months.

    38. Doctor Doom on May 3

      'Blast From The Past' #001

      Two years and two days ago...

      Kerrash on April 30, 2014
      "Wow people still hangout there? :P
      Hey Tim, why don't you stop by and say hi on the the live stream?

    39. Doctor Doom on May 3

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Go tell it the ombudsman and do keep us appraised of your findings.

    40. Oldschool Shadowrunner on May 3

      Theta Sigma, Frontier's PR man, wrote "Precisely nothing has happened on the matter."
      Nothing? Nothing? You;'re not paying attention.
      What happened was Braben issued a retraction of the company's false claim to have bought the Elite franchise rights. Perhaps you didn't see that. Perhaps missed Mr Braben's memo on that. Or perhaps Mr Braben decided not to send a memo on that one.
      Here's that retraction again. .
      Don't miss that bit where Elite franchise rights are struck out.
      And don't miss that bit about "£5.15 million through the allotment and issue to PPA, credited as fully paid, of 2,001,573 new ordinary 0.5 pence shares.".
      £5.15 million of shares straight into the mysterious tiny tax software company that claims Mr Braben was helping it out with "incorporate the ease of use of computer games with the practical software used in offices". The tiny tax software company for which the filed accounts show no substantial assets at all. Including the magic disappearing Elite franchise rights. The rights by which means Mr Braben transported £millions from Frontier shareholders into his own pocket.

    41. Doctor Doom on May 3

      @Wyzak, Hi there - it's been a while.

      A few things:

      Wyzak on 10th March, 2016
      "But you know that and that's why you sold your shares Theta Sigma."
      You seem quite confused and can't seem to make your mind up on this?
      Apparently, according to you, I _both_ hold shares - and do not hold shares.
      Like I said last time, what exactly do you think the 'S' in FTSE stands for? 'Schrödinger'? %^]
      Wyzak on 3rd May 2016
      "Only a shareholder would put 60+ corrections on the same level as one correction (second filing)."
      Hmmm, or perhaps only people with a more objective assessment of the situation, oh, and the financial regulators themselves who have perhaps deemed the corrections to be legitimate?
      You are clearly suggesting that it is the number of corrections that implies some kind of deliberate wrongdoing.

      Do you have any evidence of this outside of your own head?

      Can you explain why, for instance, a year hence from this piece of sleuthing absolutely zilch has transpired?
      Like I said to OS:

      "Precisely nothing has happened on the matter.
      Now, just why do you think that is?
      Could it possibly be because you are looking at everything through the red mist of offline mode and are creating loony tunes conspiracies where there are none?"

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      Wyzak on May 2

      Only a shareholder would put 60+ corrections on the same level as one correction (second filing).

    43. Doctor Doom on April 30

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      And yet:

      - Despite Jörn Huxhorn's, Wyzak's and your sensational "scoop" of this a year ago...

      - Despite my suggestion that you alert the financial authorities to this "deliberate" false accounting...

      Precisely nothing has happened on the matter.

      Now, just why do you think that is?

      Could it possibly be because you are looking at everything through the red mist of offline mode and are creating loony tunes conspiracies where there are none?

      Or, let me guess, the financial regulators are all in the pocket of this small, independent games producer?

      PS Tell us about how the median works again.

    44. Oldschool Shadowrunner on April 30

      Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier PR man wrote:
      "your confusion over the legitimate practice of companies issuing more shares"
      I'm not confused over the legitimate practice of companies issuing more shares.

      And I'm not confused over the illegitimate practice of issuing millions more shares, for the personal benefit of the company CEO, and then concealing the fact in dozens of false share capital statements filed at Companies House.
      Which is precisely what David Braben / Frontier Developments has done.
      The proof is now available for all to see on public record…
      And that's before you consider that it Frontier's claim to have obtained the Elite rights for which those shares were payment now turns out also to have been false.

    45. Doctor Doom on April 30

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Do you remember, a week ago, when you were confidently explaining that the Steamspy chart with the column 'Playtime (median)' is sorted by the second value (median)

      ...when in fact it is sorted by the first value Playtime?

      Do you remember how you became abusive? Do you remember how certain you were that you were correct?

      Do you remember that you were completely incorrect?

      That's the level of mathematical reasoning and debate that you're bringing to this discussion - and it's deeply unimpressive.

      Given your confusion over the term median, your confusion over the legitimate practice of companies issuing more shares, your confusion assessing whether a company is performing well based on its long-term performance, cash reserves, use of credit facilities and regular official reports to the stockmarket and broker ratings I have zero confidence that you actually understand the realities of the stock market.

      Oldschool Shadowrunner on 23 April 2016
      "Of course I didn't sort by playtime. That would be stupid. ED appears in the top #25 by playtime (median) ONLY because it has so few players. That's the way the math of median works, as any dummy knows."

    46. Oldschool Shadowrunner on April 29

      Theta Sigma, a.k.a Frontier PR man wrote:
      "posting SH01 Second Filings is an entirely legitimate practice "
      Yes posting SH01 Second Filings to correct false first filings is completely legitimate practice. No-one is suggesting otherwise.
      The point is that posting those false first filings was definitely NOT legitimate practice.
      "many examples of other UK companies who had also posted SH01 Second Filings."
      How many corrections did they file?? Dozens and dozens?? As in Braben's case?
      Where those corrections for millions of shares that the company concealed from Companies House? And in Braben's case?

      Were those shares claimed to be in payment for rights that the company then confessed it had not bought at all? As in Braben's case?
      Did those shares end up in the pocket of the guy running the company? As in Braben's case?
      Did that guy then sell those shares for a £millons in cash just before releasing a product so bad that the company share price nose-dived, wiping millions of the value on every other investor's holding? As in Braben's case?
      And was this the guy who had already deceived shareholders at the time of the company floatation with a claim to own intellectual property rights that didn't own at all? As in Braben's case?
      I doubt it very much. There's no-one in business quite like David Braben.

    47. Doctor Doom on April 29

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Your clear (and previously stated) implication with the word "false" is that these were _deliberately_ incorrect filings.

      You should realise however:

      incorrect !=> deliberately incorrect

      Back in January it was clearly explained to you that:

      - posting SH01 Second Filings is an entirely legitimate practice
      - along with many examples of other UK companies who had also posted SH01 Second Filings.

      A less loaded phrase to use in this instance would be "incorrect filings" - unless of course you have evidence that the Second Filings were due to deliberately incorrect primary filings?

      Send that evidence to the ombudsman, if you have it - that would surely vindicate your posts.

      As it stands, however, you're simply - repeatedly - posting potentially libellous statements based on your opinion.

      But once again, you're going round in circles and repeating yourself on the subject of these Second Filings:
      Theta Sigma on 22 Jan 2016:…
      "...Companies that have also recently posted SH01 Second Filings
      See also:


      If posting SH01 Second Filings is a tacit admission of guilt and underhand practice, why not report these companies (along with FDEV) to the ombudsman? Perhaps you have discovered a genius way for the ombudsman to check on fraud?

      - - - - - - - - -

      Dear Ombudsman,

      Top Tip:
      Save time on weeding out corrupt organisations:

      - Simply investigate all companies that report SH01 Second Filings
      - They are probably guilty of something or other and are just reporting their fraudulent activities in plain-sight in order to avoid your detection!


      Oldschool Shadowrunner, Wyzak and Jörn Huxhorn

      - - - - - - - - -

      It is interesting though: I wonder why the ombudsman hasn't thought before of such a dastardly plot by these companies? (...could it be because SH01 Second Filings are a completely legitimate and often necessary action for a company to take? Hmmm...)
      Wyzak, you seem to suspect FDEV of fraud due to SH01 Second Filings - which doess seem a little harsh:

      I mean, I don't immediately suspect everything you post is erroneous simply because you've been wrong so many times before - I just take each of your posts on its own merits (the fact that more often than not your posts turn out to be erroneous or misleading is probably just coincidence, right?)

      Further reading from these comments' archives:
      24th June, 2015…


    48. Oldschool Shadowrunner on April 28

      Theta Sigma a.k.a Frontier PR man wrote: "If you'd made representations to the ombudsman back in June 2015 they'd now have had an entire TEN months to investigate your claims."
      You really think that was needed? Why would Braben have confessed to the false filings and rights claims UNLESS he'd been investigated?
      "Did these alleged "FALSE" filings..."
      You can drop the "alleged" there. There are self-evidently false filings. Some filings say 31m shares and other say 33m for the same date. They can't both be true, now can they?

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