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Joseph wrote "I'm not sure why you would suppose that not reaching a financial threshold should serve as the litmus test for fraudulent behavior. "
What financial threshold?? Frontier advertised a $100,000 tournament to incentivise ED game sales, took people's money, and then reneged on the tournament. No "threshold" was involved.
I'm not sure why you would suppose that not reaching a financial threshold should serve as the litmus test for fraudulent behavior. I've run or assisted with more than a dozen KS projects, and those campaigns often had financial or social media goals which triggered something, it if met. If not, they didn't. I work in law enforcement, and I'm trying to understand the rationale.
@OS thank you for sharing
as you say i am sure FDEV are amoosed
happy weekend everyone ^^
Some good news for Frontier today. The National Fraud Investigation Bureau has said it has "not identified and leads that would lead to a successful criminal investigation" https://s14.postimg.org/f84z9w0dt/fdevnfib.png
Champagne at the FDEV offices, for sure. Frontier lives to defraud another day!
do wrote: "elite;dangerous is certainly NOT perfect and yet it is easily the very best VR and gaming experience for the discerning space farer"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion! :)
"What I would like to see is for Frontier to step up and show strong leadership, show that they know their genre, show that they know the identity of their own game and where it is going, because right now it looks like they have absolutely no clue what Elite is or what they stand to lose." https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/283207-Is-the-lack-of-real-content-why-FD-have-sacrificed-galactic-scale…
Ending with "hugs" ~ classic!
As I've mentioned, it's a great game thus far and have fun, but by no means have clocked the hundreds or thousands of hours akin to others.
say that again. SAY THAT again! and i dare you, i double dare you motherfucker! say that one more time and i make you play alternating rounds of nms and sc until you relent ^^
elite;dangerous is certainly NOT perfect and yet it is easily the very best VR and gaming experience for the discerning space farer. for that FDEV and DB must be commended. ffs they are an independent game dev, that alone deserves respect
@os you should try and forget the hate for a day and just try to have fun within the game. the community is (in my view) one of the very best i have ever experienced.
all that aside, i wonder what game/dev do you really like and respect ?!
> fresh from gamescon - DB interview 3. as always top notch, thanks for another great show FDEVs
Did we miss the bit where David Braben explained why he's spending a fortune promiting the NEXT expansion while he has still not finished the LAST expansion, Engineers, now FOUR MONTHS past its original delivery date?
No, I don't think we missed it. It was him that missed it out.
Braben's priority hasn't changed since the start of this project. His priority is delivering promises rather than delivering the promised product.
i have no idea why one would use a shit 3rd party website to quote instead of the original source but yeah @os @wyzak you keep using that site.
though specially the quality of the "share discussions" pages suits your own style ^^
try this http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB00BBT32N39GBGBXASQ1.html
Frontier Dev Share PriceShare Price SpacerPrice172.50
52 Week High 245.50 52 Week High Date 22-DEC-2015
52 Week Low 172.50 52 Week Low Date 19-AUG-2016
fresh from gamescon - DB interview 3. as always top notch, thanks for another great show FDEVs
@os FDEV @ GBPENCE 172,50 but never mind. one day you will get it ^^
> the kickstarter reward "digital artbook" has arrived.
Only two years late! Well done, Frontier.
> it is in the ahop now as download. just showing again that FDEV in fact care ^^
I'm sure FDEV cares ... not not to be sued by buyers losing patience.
Meanwhile, let's see how are the company's investors taking the news the latest feeble expansion is now delayed until October. Here we go. Share price down to 165p - lowest for two and a half years. http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareTrades.asp…
and maybe head over to https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4ycj4m/decoded_ascii_text_in_interview_leak_the_hunt/
squeeeeee someone once said a lot of times ^^
remember remember the 17th of november ^^
and as a sidenote #gamescon anyone !!
oh and before i forget, drew wagar is writing his next ED novel! this time published by FDEV themselves, great news, too.
lots of happenings
just got mail, the kickstarter reward "digital artbook" has arrived. it is in the ahop now as download. just showing again that FDEV in fact care ^^
also the DDF has been very active with DB and other key staff taking on the crazy horde again. in a very good way, too. been a few months that way, just didn't want to report it =)
wee the mighty men are still about ^^
will join the fray some time soonish. once back at work and with some time for this nonsense on my hands =)
@os your are truly my special friend. i miss you �
Dice Man wrote:
> Yeap, another few weeks pass, still nothing for the Founder level other than a ship badge
There was an old man from Frontier,
Who supported us with a sneer,
He ignored our requests,
And feathered his nest,
With our money and many a tear.
-- telperion https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php…
I can't speak to the scores...maybe it's a function of those who have registered or many folks simply play, like us, on our own with little or no interaction on Steam. I'm interested to learn more.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/#app_reviews_hash - recent score 62% (590 reviews), overall score 65% (16,107 reviews)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/441340/#app_reviews_hash - recent score 57% (35 reviews), overall score 66% (457 reviews)
@Joseph Pilkus - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - would a vocal minority have such a large effect on the scores?
Yeap, another few weeks pass, still nothing for the Founder level other than a ship badge and still not playing Elite because it's just too boring.
"after watching many You Tube videos in advance of us downloading the game to learn how to fly"
Joseph, if that's the "there's hours and hours of content for us" of yours that I asked about... then yes you might indeed enjoy the empty grindy bugfest that is Elite Dangerous.
My daughter, when I told her about the controversial issues surrounding the game and my response, immediately replied, "yes, we were flying around for a few hours, but that's after watching many You Tube videos in advance of us downloading the game to learn how to fly." As an Air Force officer, it came a bit easier to me. We experienced a lot of rolling when she had the stick.
It was confirmed that Theta Sigma was a shareholder, and deusx_ophc admitted in his own words to being a shareholder.
It's based on two data streams. First, I've read a number of reviews, including yours and the ones pointed-out by Avalanche which speak to 1,000+ hours of play under their belts. Second, my daughter and I had a chance to configure our ship and fly around for about two hours last night, landing on one planet and docking at a location. We'll have more "flight time" tonight and during the balance of the week.
Joseph, I'm interested to know what makes you say "there's hours and hours of content for us" in Elite Dangerous. If I get you right, haven't played the game yet. So are you going by the developer diaries? The advertising? Reviews? Or what? Just askin.
Your pleas are not beyond reason. I'm a published board game designer, and while I know nothing about the intricacies of creating developing a video game, I have a more than seven years in the area of play-testing, writing, and developing board games. Regardless of the clever mechanics or the immersive environment, it has to be fun. For more than three decades, I've played RPGs...why? Because they reward good play and over time, you enhance your abilities and skills. Anyway, I can certainly sympathize with your anguish...if it's not fun, it may not be worth playing.
Elite has no respect for people's time.
I can't think of any other pursuit that yields so little for the time you invest.
I'd like to play more Elite; the ships are amazing and they sound and feel great.
However, that's not enough. I just can't justify spending hours looking for random named materials for random engineers, or trying broken missions, or broken powerplay, or driving around on bleak planets.
There are two places I know I can go to have fun; RESs and Conflict Zones. Wait, three; nav beacons. Because I know what I'm signing up for; I arrive, I fight for as long as I like, I go. But I've been playing Elite for over a thousand hours now, and you know what? I'm bored of these.
Since I bought the game nearly two years ago, FD has added nothing that entertains me save a few extra ships. Everything else they've added, I've tried to enjoy, but the game is so mean spirited and makes it so damn hard to get any enjoyment out of. I have a lot of things to do in my "free time", and try as I might (and I try pretty hard, people) I just can't justify spending the time on Elite when spending it any other way, any other way, is more enjoyable and productive.
Yes, I know. It's Elite Dangerous. It doesn't hold your hand or anything, it's a living Galaxy. But it has to offer enough enjoyment from time spent playing it to justify doing so, which, I'm sorry, I'm now aware that it simply does not.(this is subjective, of course, it simply does not for me - but my requirements are quite low compared to most gamers, and I'm lucky enough to have more time than many to spend playing).
FD are madly creating an amazing universe but they've forgotten that they need to make it something people want to spend time with. Scale and numbers mean nothing by themselves; you have to let people experience it in a way that they enjoy. You might argue that they're crafting the world's most amazing space sim, and that to expect a more "enjoyable" experience is at odds with the core of what Elite is.
And that's a fine argument. Unless you want to people to actually PLAY IT.
Elite is so damn disrespectful of people's time. So. Disrespectful. Doing anything takes so much time. SO much time spent "playing" is literally watching clocks count; distances, drives charging, fuel gauges charging, whatever. Elite always comes down to time, it's what the game asks of you, punishes you with, accidentally demands of you with it's archaic idiosyncrasies. And I can no longer justify this time because it is simply not enjoyable enough. I have other games that are just more rewarding to spend time with, not to mention other non-screen based pursuits.
Clearly I've had enough of Elite and need to take a very long break. But you know, I have no great hope that the game will ever become something that appeals to me, now that I understand why it is I feel I can't play it. I think it will never embrace the fact that people want to enjoy it, I think FD are locked on a crazy path and do not understand that their game is terribly neglecting the human element. Since I first bought it, they have spent so much time and effort on it yet added so, so very little that I actually enjoy.
And so it is with heavy heart that this Elite rated commander, who has spent so long playing this game, must condemn Elite, having realized it for what it is and knowing deep down that he can never justify the time to spend on something so cold, mean and boring when there are so much better things to do.
I'm sorry for the rant, please understand it comes from love.
Elite. You MUST learn to respect people's time. You. Must.
Thanks for the URLs. It appears as though those who were looking for intensive MMO type play are the most incensed by it all. I do hope you and the others finally get the game you expected to receive. As for the mods, a friend of mine gave my daughter access to more than 50 of them, so she'll be busy for awhile.
> Did they both say they were shareholders?
I think one of them, Harbinger, now works for Frontier as a moderator on the Elite Dangerous Steam forum.
By the way, anyone trying to make sense of the old conversations here, the reason you can't find the posts by FD #1 PR agent and FD shareholder Theta Sigma is that he changed his screen name to Doctor Doom when he left here a while ago. I guess that's the furthest distance he could put between him and his comments, since he can't delete his comments entirely.
Did they both say they were shareholders? I kinda recall one did, but I didn't really follow things enough on that.
@ Joseph Pikus
I think it's easier to link to things I've said before, if you're interested. It's just my view on things, for what such things are worth.
On top of current issues, an earlier brief summary [ well 'brief' for me :o) ] of where the issues began so long ago:
Longer summary (which still doesn't cover all the details):
Now, I would say, people are very divided as to the actual game itself, with a foundation of a lot of the previous issues bolstering things up. Such a shame. Hopefully you'll keep enjoying the game.
This is about how I thought Frontier Developments dealt with things via PR, which irked me:
Been a while since I looked, but I think Skyrim Mods are numerous, varied and yes, quite good (possibly better). I think there would be something(s) for anyone to find and include in a playthrough. Worth a look, maybe, unless of course one is strictly a vanilla player.
So, having read Harold_UK's entry, he's a long-time gamer with apparently a lot of time on his hands or he plays this one to the exclusion of all others. As my daughter and I will enjoy the solo mode it appears as though we'll avoid this nasty, brutish environment of ED players, but there's hours and hours of content for us.
Thanks for the response. Clearly, Chip Patton is quite livid about "something" but I'm not sure about what it is he's so incensed about. The game, by my limited estimation is beautifully rendered and I can take missions and fly a gorgeous ship which gets better via upgrades.
Canyon be a bit more specific as to the vitriol a vocal minority has about the game.
> I'm quite unfamiliar with the issues surrounding Frontier or Elite.
The user reports on Steam will fill you in. Start with the top-rated three reviews.
"This company, Frontier Developments is borderline fraudsters"
"Elite may look nice on the surface, it's just a shame that what lies underneath and in the background is nothing but poisonous and toxic in the extreme. An ill thought out, badly concieved mess."
"I can still dream they'll hire a talented game designer one day."
I'm quite unfamiliar with the issues surrounding Frontier or Elite. I finally downloaded the game and it is, as I expected, absolutely stunning. It appears to be, as promised. I'm curious about what I'm "missing" as the $40 USD by my estimation was well spent on a graphically stunning, richly immersive experience.
Yes, I heard the SkyRim mods are quite good.
Lets not forgot that the two strongest defenders of Frontier on this page by a country mile are both proven shareholders of Frontier. Talk about a conflict of interest.
@ Oldschool Shadowrunner [ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… ]
"If Frontier made the deduction, investors would immediately see the year's true result. A net loss of £2.9m..."
I should probably have been clearer :o) Yes, I can see why they would want to disguise a minus *£8.9 million* from investors. I was wondering what the 'official' line was to explain why they had decided to give the information in that way in a yearly trading update of all things. I'm guessing they're not going to be asked. Not that they would answer anyway.
The Eurogamer article thought is was... 'curious' I think their word was. I do wonder if this sort of thing means we're allowed to scribble a few extra earnings on the back page of a tax return in crayon: "£4,900 for doing stuff. Oh and £9,300 from my mate Dave." in the hope that the Inland Revenue won't notice :oD I wonder, but seriously this time, if such things ever get called out officially. Probably not.
The $100,000 tournament issue is additionally interesting though.
@ Joseph Pilkus
Possibly the same could be asked more of those who've relentlessly persisted in trying to defend Frontier Developments' behaviour, against all reason, even after all FD did (or didn't do as the case may be). Behaviour which is ultimately the route cause of any such discontent (deservedly so I think). Not sure if Oldschool is angry or hates Frontier Development/David Braben, but FD'/DB's behaviour is still something that they have failed to respond to, let alone taken any responsibility for, so some of us still post (some more that others). Some may be as unhappy as they are, as they actually care(d) about Elite and wanted it to be what was promised/advertised. Some didn't get their money back.
I'm not sure why the number of backed projects is relevant though? If Oldschool had backed 30, would that make a difference? 100? Oldschool backed *this* Project, which seems to be the only one that counts, even if it was the only one backed. Also, personally, I've played a lot of good games, but what does that have to do with how Frontier Development/Braben acted, or this Kickstarter, or Oldschool still posting here?
Hope you enjoy all the games with your daughter. Possibly mod Skyrim :o)
So, I rarely visit Comment threads long after the Kickstarter ends...but I came back out here and to my surprise...okay, I wasn't really surprised, Oldschool Shadowrunner is still out here spewing hate and discontent. I'm curious as to why you're so angry? I checked-out your profile and you have backed a meager nine items...surely there must be a game you actually enjoy playing...don't you.
Anyway, I'm finally back from a deployment and I hope to actually download the game...my daughter and I have been waiting for a few years and as we built ourselves a computer to accommodate Skyrim (her), StarCraft II (me), and ELITE Dangerous (us), we can't wait to play.
Frontier sets a new record for the the lowest Steam user review score??
Elite Dangerous: Commander Pack - 9%
Frontier reported for fraud over the $100,000 CQC tournament https://archive.is/pySYg
> 48% of the reviews in the last 30 days are positive...
And that's one of the better scores from the Elite Dangerous so-called franchise. Compare this:
Elite Dangerous: Commander Pack - 28% of the 14 user reviews for this game are positive.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/441340/#app_reviews_hash - 48% of the reviews in the last 30 days are positive...
> any news on that pitiful £30mio fundraising round
No news I've heard of. If Frontier does manage to raise any funds, hopefully they'll make a public announcement.
and getting back to a previous topic...any news on that pitiful £30mio fundraising round?!
So, after about 500 hours of playtime (I had 250+ hours on Horizons before it became DLC on steam) I think I can make a more educated review on what I think of Elite: Dangerous.
I started the game about a year ago, mindlessley flying around space with no real direction to go in. This notion can confuse some people as then, there was not a clear objective, it was just you're in space so go do something. The primary directive for me or drive was to generate income and work my way up towards bigger and better ships, and I believe this applies to a majority of players. Before the engineers update however, missions were considered bland and repetitivem, with the only real ways to make money being long distance smuggling or large ship trading. For me, I didn't know what to do, and promptly left the game for nearly a year. I then came back to elite dangerous about 3 months before horizons, having an urge to give it a go. I also had a friend with me which in my opinion made the experience much more enjoyable as you had another person to explore or bounty hunt with.
When planetary landing came out, me and my friend were playing all day from 10am to 2am for about a month or two. I think you have to simply enjoy the fun in flying to a planet, gliding down to the surface, deploying your SRV's and then surveying the brilliant terrain laid before you. Flying through canyons, landing in huge craters and taking hours to cross with your SRV. The game did a fantastic job of giving you a scope of just how big these planets are, and there are millions to explore, which to me was great.
However, after months of us playing and repeating the same act of landing on planets, doing the occasional planetary base mission, we became quite bored with the game. This is a huge defining point for a lot of players. "Endgame". This is the stage where you have a comfortable sum of money in your account, you have tried every mission and done your fair amount of bounty hunting. What drive is there now to continue playing the game. For me and my friend there was none, and we were thoroughly dissapointed in the engineers update for a number of reasons:
-We like many others did not like the random aspect to upgrades
-It adds more grind to the already grindy game
-It didn't feel like the wait was worth it
However recentley I have gone back to the engineers and I am having a much better time. Frontier have definitley made mission boards much better and more understandable. Missions pre-update seemed broken, when stacking 10 missions only increased the rep of a faction by 1%.
I believe that the engineers update tailors well for outfitting a smaller ship as you are able to collect materials much quicker and get to places a lot faster. Overall, I've had a brilliant time with this game, and I am thoroughly nostalgic towards the first time I landed on planets or explored a nebula. I really do hope frontier adds more content to planets but I think that engineers at it's core is a step in the right direction. For players who stop playing at end game, I have been there and have done so, however what kept me into the game was the brilliant feeling when exploring space and just marvelling at the brilliance of the graphics and sounds.
-Upcoming DLC which will hopefully make the game a lot more rich with content
-Huge planets with amazing terrain that you can explore for hours
-An extremely large and expansive game space which can occupy your entire day.
I'm glad that I discovered Elite and continued playing it and that's why I'd give it a reccomendation to those who would give it time.
P.S. I know this review is all over the place, it's my first proper one kek
i have an idea!!! let's just all post random stuff from the steam review pages!! @OS are you down with that buddy?!
Frontier backs down on in-game ban punishing criticism.
I now have access to the game. I thank all of those supporting this review and petitioning Fdev on the forums.
My access was restored to the game in steam after contacting steam support and they replied that my access was suspended by the developer. While steam restored my access, I still do not have access to my acct.
This may just seal my fate, but I think everyone has a right to know this:
I've seem some really bad moderation before in steam, but never to this level. One review I made on Life is Feudal had a helpful rating of 90% before it was banned by the LIF staff. That is pretty dirty, but that pales in comparison to getting salty with your customer because they are critical of your actions and claims stating that it is their opinion that you can't deliver on your promises (such as delivering 2.4 before December when their seasonal obligation expires, while it took them 6 months to deliver 2.1) and pulling their license and abily to play your game.
Obviously they're trying to burry any mention of them not being able to deliver 3 minor versions before December, including banning folks, and even pulling their licenses in-game against their OWN EULA, as I do not cheat and do not play in OP.
This was literally a YEARs worth of grinding, 2 anacondas, and 1.4billion credits lost because I stated my opinion.
I would advise extreme caution if you plan on approaching Frontier about their failed promises and false advertising, you might just end up like me with no way to play or even ask them "why". I advise against even contacting them with any sort of diffrential opinion of the game; in fact if you must speak out, do it on Reddit with an account that can't be traced to your Frontier or Steam account, else, welcome to the club.
Upon my first moderation action in their steam forums, I have received a 30-day ban for describing my experience with the game for the developers to read and then pointing out the thread was locked without reason after many others came in to talk about their bad experiences and showed a lot of support for the topic and my story. Apparently it is considered "excessive spamming and excessive harrassment to moderators" to point out that negative posts are disappearing from the forums without naming or pointing a finger at a single moderator (this is allowed in accordance with the steam community guidelines, so long as you do not call out any moderator, you are allow to express concern with posts disappearing, but not in the ED forums, especailly when you ask about release dates being removed from the steam store, and why the name changed from ED: Horizons Expansion to ED: Horizons Season Pass).
Both, their official forums, and their steam forums suffers badly from dirty moderation (but not from the volunteer moderators, from the developoers themselves in which the post that got me banned clearly pointed out) in which a post will be made soon on Reddit about it. The TL;DR version is simply this: If you make a post about their poor sales on steam, or their failed commitments from the kickstarter or the Horizons Pre-Order, your topic gets locked and you risk being banned. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that when a publisher begins to censor its community based on civil feedback, the game is a lost cause. I've written the game off as a lot of money wasted, so do yourself a favor and look elsewhere for your next space-sim fix.
But if you think maybe that is a hair overboard, consider this, this next bit is about Braiben, the CEO of this game telling his investors that he doesn't have to honor his commitments and promises with customers. He doesn't have to honor the commitments they make on steam, and they don't have to honor the commitments made in the kickstarter. This is who is running Elite: Dangerous; reflect on that.
YouTube™ Video: Amati VCTs' Investor Day (Part 3 of 5) Frontier Developments Presentation
Amati Global Investors hosted a successful Portfolio Showcase for Investors and advisers at Clare College, Cambridge on 7 March 2014 giving us the opportunity to explain how the investment team at...
"Non-recourse money" ~ Braiben
That is what the CEO thinks of your loyality. What does that mean you ask? That means you can take your money and laugh in your face -- so he thinks. Non-recourse means no obligations, no strings attatched like a one-night-stand.
So he said it, what exactly have they missed the mark on?
See the kickstarter page here:
Notice there are quite a few things promised on the kickstarter that is still not in the game. Also, notice in the FAQ that Planet landings hinted to be part of a free update after the initial beta release of the game.
Several forum users here on steam have gone to archive.org and have pulled their old marketing material for Horizons. Nowhere, not a single place prior to August did they state in any fashion that Horizons would be airless planets only or that it would be broken up into pieces and slowly released over the course of a year.
When Horizons was released, there was literally nothing to do but play Mario Carts on planets. Yet, the expansion sold for the the price of the main title itself which is what AAA titles sell for. One would expect the expansion to double the size and features of the game. Yet, again, Mario Carts only. In fact, the pre-order was so deceptively advertised and marketed, Valve, Inc, wanted nothing to do with it and denied it entry to the the store.
So Frontier got around this by changing the name to season pass. Imagine that, Valve, Inc, telling Frontier their listing is too deceptive is like a druglord calling his client a junky. The shere implications of this on its face should be enough to make smart buyers think twice.
The current "outstanding" commitments for Horizons is NPC ships and mutli-crew (players/npcs). In essence we were supposed to see 4 minor versions of Horizons in this "season" or "expansion", the expansion is only up to 2.1, yet they would have the community still believe they will deliver v2.2, v2.3, and v2.4 before December when their obligation to support the game expires.
This company, Frontier Developments is borderline fraudsters, in fact, I'm shocked that there has been no class-actions filed to-date that allows all players, not just backers to file claims against this company. It is only a matter of time as I'm exploring the possibilities of a class-action myself with my own lawyers being as they have opened an office in the United States.
These types of developers give the entire gaming industry a bad name and when they're given a free-pass for whatever reason, more and more publishers jump on the same wagon, because it is much more profitable to simply take your money for a finished product and deliver only 1/5 of a product. This has to stop.
This has gotten so out of hand, the moderators are looking for any reason to shut down critical topics in their forums. I just saw where another user posted SteamSpy statistics as a reply to someone else's post about population in the game. His post was deleted and he was warnned by a moderator that it was off-topic.
Therefor the user posted in a new thread, saying that being it was off-topic he was created a new topic. That topic was locked, the user was banned, and the moderator claimed he was attacking other moderators by saying, "I was told it was off-topic so I'm creating a new topic".
Discuss the game at your own risk or... peril.
The review was removed to make room.