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    1. Creator Theta Sigma about 1 hour ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      I think you'll find that everyone is more than happy and capable of discussing the objective realities of how this project is doing in a friendly, rational manner.

      That involves discussing the known, objective facts regarding things like Steamchart statistics, chart position, number of Owners, median playtime, Steam reviews from registered owners/players, public reception, communities springing up around the game, Lavecon2015, XBoxOne E:D Facebook and so on.

      The issue of how well this Kickstarted project is doing with the game-playing public and target audience does not particularly include guesswork and conjecture surrounding potential reasons for mistakes/errors/discrepancies in financial documentation.

    2. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 2 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma - You are once again turning this into a personal attack.
      .
      _____
      Go for a walk dude and get some fresh air.
      _____

      drop offline mode _extremely_ personally indeed, one might say almost to the point of an unhealthy obsession
      .
      Yes, you temporarily dragged me down to your subterranean level after weeks of your relentless trolling and abuse
      .
      Your desperation is becoming more and more apparent as time ticks on.
      .
      “It is truly amazing how you and Oldschool fail to grasp the subtlety of the point(s) being made.”
      .
      So, can we take this to mean that you've missed the subtleties, _yet again_?
      .
      Have you always had trust issues with everyone you encounter
      ______
      .
      You need to log off and clear your head for few days. It is obvious that you are taking this WAY to personal.
      .
      ______

    3. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 2 hours ago

      @Harbinger - Your explanation makes perfect sense. I didn't click on the screen pic till after. Also, I would have done the same in Wyzak shoes. This is a friendly and fun discussion and not place to assassinate personalities and level of peoples intelligence.

    4. Creator Theta Sigma about 2 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      What is clear to most people still bothering to read this long-forgotten comments section is that you yourself have taken Frontier's decision to drop offline mode _extremely_ personally indeed, one might say almost to the point of an unhealthy obsession. You received your refund months ago, yet you're still here, attempting to discredit anything and everything you can regarding E:D/Frontier/Braben.

    5. Creator Harbinger about 2 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner:
      --------------------------
      "Here's a copy of the post that was deleted by Kickstarter for breaching kickstarter rules - [link removed], and that was just after I asked that the personal insults be toned down."
      ----
      Wyzak clearly identifies it as a personal insult after calling for them to be "toned down" otherwise he wouldn't refer to it at all, it's pretty obvious who reported it.
      -
      But please feel free to make up outlandish explanations, it is what you excel at after all.

    6. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 2 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma
      ______
      Let us look at some more of your friendly comments
      ______
      .
      Yes, you temporarily dragged me down to your subterranean level after weeks of your relentless trolling and abuse
      .
      Your desperation is becoming more and more apparent as time ticks on.
      .
      “It is truly amazing how you and Oldschool fail to grasp the subtlety of the point(s) being made.”
      .
      So, can we take this to mean that you've missed the subtleties, _yet again_?
      .
      Have you always had trust issues with everyone you encounter
      ______
      .
      You need to log off and clear your head for few days. It is obvious that you are taking this WAY to personal.
      .
      ______

    7. Creator Theta Sigma about 2 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner:

      The key-phrase there being: "Your arguments"

      Addressing the shortcomings in someone's arguments is quite a different thing to addressing the person behind the argument.

      BTW be sparing with the double-posts, Wyzak might get tetchy that you're breaching "etiquette" (...although Wyzak didn't seem too bothered when you attacked, "excused" your language, and questioned whether @tarasis was Braben :)

    8. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 2 hours ago

      .WOW!. Talk about an outburst! What I find funny is that you been ridding me since your first post here about being abusive, insulting, and vitriol. You remember that comment? I am sure you do, you post about it every couple of days.
      _____________
      Let us revisit it anyways
      _____________
      "@tarasis - excuse my language but where the hell have you been living for last 2-3 months? ...you want us to swallow that you just randomly decide to check kickstarter comments section months after the game was released and then post how you are shocked about legal actions and how happy you are with what you got?!?! Smells Fishy...Is that you Braben?"
      _______________

    9. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 3 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma – (i am not done yet) Really, are you for real?!?!? Did you really post this? “Your arguments are vapid, pig-ignorant, and stultifyingly ill-informed? They are repeatedly devoid of even a modicum of common-sense or the most basic of critical-thinking…etc…etc…etc”

    10. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 3 hours ago

      @Theta Sigma - If you ever posted things that FD doesn't agree with, on their forum, you would know that taking a screen shot for later reference is smart. Off-topic: I am discussed by your comment directed to "DA Pretorius"... you been crying abuse, harassment, and bullying for a while now. I don't remember ever reading insults of that type directed at you.

    11. Creator Theta Sigma about 3 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Really? :)

      Quite coincidental that Wyzak just happened to take a screenshot prior to the post being reported/deleted.

      Ironically, it's exactly the kind of "coincidence" that ex-backers would immediately assume to be the result of ulterior motive or conspiracy :)

      However, I'm almost certain it's just a coincidence, and Wyzak simply takes a screenshot of every post for his records. Yes, that'll be it.

    12. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 3 hours ago

      @Harbinger - Only person lobbying the admins is Theta Sigma, you may want to talk to your boy, because it obviously backfired this time around.

    13. Creator Harbinger about 4 hours ago

      @Wyzak:
      "Here's a copy of the post that was deleted by Kickstarter for breaching kickstarter rules"
      ------------------------------------------
      You realise in sharing this screenshot after Kickstarter deleted the comment you open up the possibility for your very own post to be deleted right? You can't have it both ways, if you wanted to refer to the comment then you shouldn't have lobbied the Kickstarter admins for it's removal in the first place.
      -
      And no I'm not going to report your post, I'm merely pointing out the irony.

    14. Creator Theta Sigma about 5 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      Your desperation is becoming more and more apparent as time ticks on.

      Rather than addressing the objective facts that posters are making regarding the continuing success of this project you are increasingly tending to focus in a somewhat touchy manner on the specifics of how things are put across to you, referring repeatedly to etiquette rather than the main issues being raised. It seems as though you are employing diversionary tactics since your predictions regarding E:D don't appear to be coming true.

      Are you still "ecstatic" about the objective performance of E:D in the Steamcharts? Would you care to discuss the Steam reviews from an "independently verifiable" and "representative sample of the whole community"? Remember, I don't need to put words in your mouth since the evidence of your previous predictions that have failed to transpire are there for anyone to check. You don't really want me to list them all for everyone do you?

    15. Creator Wyzak about 5 hours ago

      Another double post.

      You keep on referring to me by that alias. It's no different to you responding to pocketboy or Oldschool to oldtool (insult aside). It's obvious who the intended recipient was whether it's accurate or not.

      You also know full well that "drag down to your subterranean level" means more than you are now letting on. Are you now afraid to take responsibility for your insult?

      Somehow Kickstarter moderators decided that your intentional response specifically addressing my arguments needed to be moderated ie deleted.

      Where did I say that all other explanations were invalid and that the only possible answer was that FD was selling copies for 13pence? How many times have we mentioned to you that you are putting words in our mouths?

    16. Creator Theta Sigma about 11 hours ago

      @Wyzak @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Similarly, "your subterranean level" addresses the "level" (a description of a completely metaphorical 'location') regarding "your" arguments/statements.

    17. Creator Theta Sigma about 11 hours ago

      @Wyzak

      ...the irony here, is that my post (the one you informed KS about :) was an intentional response to your general request to everyone. If you read it carefully, in fact you'll find that it specifically addressed your arguments, not you as a person. I'm sure you're a really decent person, but your arguments, powers of reasoning and logic leave a lot to be desired. For instance, your post about 37,000 backers raising £5000 clearly implies £0.13/unit.
      Multiple people had already pointed out to you that the Backers' app was probably only reporting net 'Raised' by Frontier via their web-store, whilst the 'Backers' figure was incrementing with every unit sold either on Steam or via Frontier web-store. You flatly disputed this, many times, and yet now you agree with this since the absurdity of your original claim has been shown for what it is: absurd (note, this is a view of your claim, not you as a person)

      PS my original post was to DA Pretorius - is your previous post therefore a tacit admission that this is in fact your pseudonym from the disgraced 'Elite Dangerous Refunds Group'?

    18. Creator Wyzak about 17 hours ago

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - "temporarily dragged me down to your subterranean level" he says (another personal insult by the way). Seems like personal insults is standard for him. Here's a copy of the post that was deleted by Kickstarter for breaching kickstarter rules - http://i.imgur.com/ZhPB68M.png, and that was just after I asked that the personal insults be toned down. See https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… nice catch. It seems all wasn't well under the hood after all.

      Here's another example spotted by Frank:
      http://www.lse.co.uk/share-regulatory-news.asp…
      http://www.lse.co.uk/share-regulatory-news.asp…

      Two (almost) identical notifications hours apart. Can you spot the difference? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 50+ times?

      @deusx_ophc - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "well yes you are right for us chosen few still making a living here." - so you were instructed (chosen) to post here, and you are making a living from being here (being paid). Gotcha.

      Another fallacy from Theta Sigma - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - you just love putting words in our mouths don't you?

      I raised the issue that for the last 37,000 of claims sales that the revenue received only increased by £5000. Implying that there is an issue with either the sales figures being inflated, double-accounting, or as you keep on saying that some funds aren't being allocated. Nowhere did I say that they are selling the game for only 13pence.

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments… - Harbinger isn't the one spamming this forum with his excessive posting.

    19. Creator Theta Sigma about 20 hours ago

      'ere, @Oldschool Shadowrunner...

      If all your anecdotal evidence [that people are hacked off with Elite:Dangerous] is such a truism, can you please (please?) explain the following chart from SteamSpy harvested from Steam data?

      http://i.imgur.com/ny82LNh.jpg

      In (objective) fact, positive reviews _exceed_ negative reviews in the ratio ~4:1

      ..and to save you the effort of harping on endlessly that "SteamSpy is in alpha so expect major bugs" etc. etc.

      ...corroborating this data (exactly) direct from the Steam Store:

      http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320

      "User reviews: Mostly Positive (4,663 reviews)"

      "78% of the 4,663 user reviews for this game are positive."

      Now, please cast your mind back to when the Steam release was announced, and a certain ex-backer proclaimed that they were "ecstatic" that this was happening:

      Wyzak on April 4:

      "Oh and Theta Sigma, I'm ecstatic about the steamcharts. Finally we now have independently verifiable information showing game time. So sure, the game has a massive surge just after it was released on Steam. But let's see how long they can keep up that momentum. That would be a far more accurate metric than anything else and would also give an indication of how the non-steam backers are sticking or dropping out of supercruise? Or will you find some excuse to deny that it is a representative sample of the whole community when the results end up not being in your favour?"
      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      Yep, for once I agree with Wyzak:

      The "independently verifiable information" from a "representative sample of the whole community" tells us all we need to know.

      %^]

    20. Creator deusx_ophc about 20 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner "As expected given forum has been closed to member since long before the game's release. The rising number of complaints about this rip-off game are to be found in newer forums like Reddit and Steam. He's a good example."

      the rising number of complaints? so how many complaints on ED reddit in the last month then? and how many on the 30 day average?

      you have noticed the ED reddit is near 50k subs right? it is a growing community for a growing game and serviced by FDEVs too ^^

      plus the FDEV main forum is still by far the best (fun, respectful and creative) gaming community i have had the pleasure to be part of. just look at community events like lavecon 2015 http://laveradio.com/lavecon-2015/ frikking awesome !

      yeah but keep taking that bitter pill of armchair game developer =)

    21. Creator el_tel about 20 hours ago

      @Michael Taylor

      I was away at the weekend, but tonight had the opportunity to run a test:
      I chose Lave station because I know it's a busy one.
      I did this all in Open.

      I started at Lave station, launched and hyperspaced away to another system, then jumped back and using FSD, returned to the station.
      I did this 10 times.
      I didn't get 'docking request denied' at all.

      I saw other commanders about, so I wasn't in an instance on my own.
      There are two things that may result in getting different results from you:

      1 - I'm on a pretty fast net connection (50Mb fire in London).
      2 - I was doing it in a Sidewinder, which can take any available docking bay.

      I was going to repeat the test in Solo, but as I didn't get any 'access denied' messages, didn't think it was worth it.

      How does your setup compare to mine?

    22. Creator Theta Sigma about 21 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Incidentally, do you have anything more to add to your £0.13/unit "What on earth are you going on about?" comment? (or have you already given us your 13 pence-worth on the matter? :)

    23. Creator Theta Sigma about 21 hours ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      I reckon you should go into games development and/or production.
      You clearly know so much more than those who have been in the business their entire lives (...oh, you know, those whose company is netting £1.4 million per month, from Steam sales alone, for example :)

      ...or is it the case that you are simply an aggrieved-ex-fanboy-arm-chair-critic?
      #AEFBACC

      %^]

    24. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner about 22 hours ago

      @deusx_ophc
      "obviously FDEV did what they said they would - or should i phrase more carefully?"
      .
      No. Just stop telling lies. :-)
      .
      "there seems to be an imbalance between the numbers of disgruntled posters on this comments section compared to the numbers of players in Elite:Dangerous. also i noticed that only one of these figures is still growing."
      .
      As expected given forum has been closed to member since long before the game's release. The rising number of complaints about this rip-off game are to be found in newer forums like Reddit and Steam. He's a good example.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3e3jge/when_did_this_community_turn_into_rdayz/ctb96it
      I'll tell you the exact problems -
      One of the biggest problems, FDev has betrayed its consumer base time and time again and treats it like shit. For instance, in the kickstarter, they promised that "if Elite: Dangerous expands to any other platform, PC will always remain our top priority, and all future expansions and content will be released on PC first". And yet, the first chance they get from microsoft, they reneg on that and choose to release 1.4/cqc first on XB1 just to make an extra quick dollar. A few months back they said they were looking for a way to incentivize open play, to "give benefits to CMDRs who stick it out in open". In the last dev q&a they decided to throw out that idea too. There's countless other things as well, such as Michael Brookes saying it was an accident custom weapons (overcharged, scattershot) were removed permanently, and we would see them in a couple weeks. Months have passed and they aren't back. They said back in 1.0 they were planning on adding FSD inhibition secondary functions to interdictors, hopefully released by 1.1, "definitely released by 1.2 at the latest". 1.4 is around the corner and there's still no word on it.
      FDev ignores most complaints from players until the problem is way out of hand. Look at all the different people who went around open play, blatantly hacking, even streaming their hacks over twitch and taunting Frontier. In one case, after 2 months of hacking, FDev finally took action. They gave him a stern warning. A week later he was back at it again, and they finally shadowbanned him.... for a week.
      FDev is so focused on their next big patch/content that they fail to see how broken and unstable the stuff they already have released is. It's like continuing to build a bridge ignoring the fact that the parts of the bridge you already built behind you are on fire. Bugged interdictions, instancing after interdiction/in general, combat logging, various wing exploits, etc are still about and rampant.
      Continuing with the last point, it seems FDev has no real intention of fixing the bugs in their games. Every single beta test for major releases so far has been treated like a "super secret exclusive early access vip experience" rather than an actual beta test. During the tests thousands of people report many different bugs, hundreds of them reporting the same ones, and yet a great deal of them still get ignored, even some of the most gamebreaking ones, and aren't fixed by release. I don't think there's been a single major release to date that didn't require multiple hotfixes within hours of release to keep the game from imploding in on itself.
      One of the last issues, but definitely not the least. As another person on this sub said a couple days ago, you can either build an engine, or a game, but not both. FDev is currently going for an engine it seems. Outside of hours upon hours of npc-whacking "fun", there's little to nothing to do after you complete the grind for an end game ship. Player-created content is what drives a game at this stage; it's what you're supposed to do in a game like this after you've put in the time to grind. And yet, the multiplayer aspect of this game is more broken than literally any other game that advertises multiplayer I've ever seen, even including indie games. Due to the lack of support for multiplayer and end-game content, people are bailing in droves, and those that are left are finally starting to lose hope if they haven't already. 1.3 was the last straw for many people; half a year without any major fixes for glaring multiplayer issues; they see it's still broken as hell and decide to move on.

    25. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner said...

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "What on earth are you going on about? Nobody ever claimed Frontier was earning just 13 pence from ED."

      Au contraire, Oldschool.

      It was, in fact, your fellow ex-backer, the now-legendary Wyzak:

      Wyzak said... [20th July, 2015]

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments…

      "@Harbinger - It did not cease to update. The amount raised continue to increase every single day until the very last day when it was removed from the website -

      https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php…

      On the last day the added 37000 backers for only £5000."

      Wyzak's naïve implication being:

      £5000 / 37,000 = £0.13 = 13 pence/unit

      Oh dear.

      (unless of course by your use of the word, "Nobody" I am to assume this was meant to be some derogatory comment aimed at Wyzak :)

    26. Creator deusx_ophc 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      "If FD did what they said they would do - we wouldn't be here right now.
      If FD refunded money when players asked - we wouldn't be here right now. "

      well yes you are right for us chosen few still making a living here.

      and obviously FDEV did what they said they would - or should i phrase more carefully?

      there seems to be an imbalance between the numbers of disgruntled posters on this comments section compared to the numbers of players in Elite:Dangerous. also i noticed that only one of these figures is still growing.

      care to guess which one?

      @Theta Sigma hehe, loved that news bulletin!

    27. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner

      Yes, you temporarily dragged me down to your subterranean level after weeks of your relentless trolling and abuse. Well done. What you achieved must surely be the pinnacle of aspiration for any troll.

      Also, there's that logical conundrum again:

      Would Frontier Developments, or an employee of Frontier, resort to such comments on their own Kickstarter comments page?

      Come on Oldschool, you're not thinking clearly (again :)

    28. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      @Theta Sigma - Do you remember this post?
      ________________________

      @Theta Sigma: Did you just try to insult me by calling me oldtool? HAHAHAHHAHA!
      .
      What happened to "Be respectful and Considered?
      .
      Also where do you see "bullying"? I can see aggressive response but what do you expect when someone steals your money? Not sure how brits do it but here in N.A we get angry and pissed! Don't hate us for being different!
      etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc....etc.
      ________________________
      I know you like to think of yourself as hero, a modern mother Teresa coming to peoples rescues but let me remind you something:
      .
      If FD did what they said they would do - we wouldn't be here right now.
      If FD refunded money when players asked - we wouldn't be here right now.
      .

    29. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      "successfully refuted (using third-party data from Valve) the bizarre claims regarding the supposed net revenue to Frontier of just 13 pence per copy of Elite:Dangerous sold."
      .
      What on earth are you going on about? Nobody ever claimed Frontier was earning just 13 pence from ED. And there's Valve hasn't given any sales figures for ED. Valve do not give out game sales figures.

    30. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Love it :)

      'Kickstarter Section Comments News Exclusive'

      Last week, over on the long-forgotten Kickstarter page, continuing Supporters and Backers of the Elite:Dangerous Kickstarter project successfully refuted (using third-party data from Valve) the bizarre claims regarding the supposed net revenue to Frontier of just 13 pence per copy of Elite:Dangerous sold.

      This week, we'll be handing over a full list of the Kickstarter backers who received refunds for Elite:Dangerous to the KS admin team who will then be removing the ex-backers and their "right" to comment/troll this project.

      Fly Safe CMDRs!

    31. Creator deusx_ophc 1 day ago

      Oldschool Shadowrunner strikes me as the type of person that would argue with his own sockpuppet on a kickstarter comments section ^^

    32. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      @Harbinger
      "I merely researched Wyzak's accusation and highlighted an error on Frontier's web page. "
      .
      Funny that. You didn't say it was an error at the time https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments….

      But now Frontier have changed it, you claim it was an error.
      .
      If you have any evidence that is was an error, let's see it. Until then, all we know is Frontier made a false declaration in breach of stock market rules.

    33. Creator Harbinger 1 day ago

      Oldschool Shadowrunner: I didn't "accuse" anything. I merely researched Wyzak's accusation and highlighted an error on Frontier's web page. One which has since been resolved thanks to our discussion and Big Brother (AKA Frontier) watching this never ending car crash.

    34. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      @harbinger
      "Only Wyzak stated they filed an incorrect report, not myself. "
      .
      You accused David Gammon of transferring the ownership 5000 shares to his family "which no longer show up on his main share holdings". That's a breach of the rules.
      .
      "Frontier's share holdings page (previously) made a distinction between his family holdings."
      .
      Frontier's share holdings page previously made no mention of his family holdings and CONCEALED those 5000 shares by removing them from the total shown earlier. Are you saying that's NOT a breach of the stock market rules?

    35. Creator deusx_ophc 1 day ago

      @harbringer oh look, big brother is watching us /dance

      and since we have your attention FDEVs - how about a kickstarter-comments-section-news- exclusive? it doesn't need to a big announcment, maybe just something fun to share ;p

      go on FDEVs be cool ^^

    36. Creator Harbinger 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner: Only Wyzak stated they filed an incorrect report, not myself.
      -
      LSE's Directors Dealings page (http://www.lse.co.uk/DirectorsDeals.asp…) clearly shows that they received that info on the same date (February 20th 2015):
      http://i.imgur.com/f7qirtY.png
      -
      The only real point of contention is that LSE showed this as being no net change in David Gammon's holdings whereby Frontier's share holdings page (previously) made a distinction between his family holdings.
      -
      The fact that they have since changed their share holdings page to clarify this issue is actually quite amusing to me. It shows that Frontier are in fact monitoring this Kickstarter comments section but merely choose to sit in the background watching it all unfold. ;)

    37. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      @Theta Sigma a.k.a. Frontier Developments
      "Your immediate assumption, with everything, it seems, is that discrepancies, errors or mistake are _always_ ulterior or conspiratorial in nature. You should really ask yourselves: Is that healthy, or even remotely likely?"
      .
      Yes I think it is remotely likely that Frontier's repeated inaccurate filings are something more than errors or mistakes.
      .
      If my memory serves me correctly, backers have discovered about forty or fifty false filings by Frontier so far. I don't think anyone has disputed that these filing were false, even you. Now this is a regulated public limited company quoted on the London Stock Exchange. They are supposed to know the rules are and they are supposed to act within the rules. You might expect a few discrepancies to be explicable by error. But we've have far more than a few. And some of those were concealing share issues worth millions of pounds.
      .
      Some of those shares Braben issued to cover the purchase of Elite rights that the company discovered he didn't actually own. Do you think his false claim to own Elite was also just an innocent error?

    38. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @Oldschool Shadowrunner @Wyzak

      Have you always had trust issues with everyone you encounter, or does it all stem back to the dropping of offline mode? (suggestion: wipe your tears away, and get on with your lives)

      Your immediate assumption, with everything, it seems, is that discrepancies, errors or mistake are _always_ ulterior or conspiratorial in nature. You should really ask yourselves: Is that healthy, or even remotely likely?

    39. Creator Oldschool Shadowrunner 1 day ago

      Well done Wyzak and Harbinger for catching Frontier filing a false report of the company chairmans shareholding. Concealing shareholdings squirrelled away as family holdings is breach of stock market rules.
      .
      And look here, Frontier have just now 'fessed up on an update to that page: https://archive.is/oVbU4 . They've put David Gammons shareholding back to the original figure and added a note "David Gammons shares include family holdings".
      .
      You've got to wonder how they expected to get away with it.

    40. Creator el_tel 1 day ago

      Note to all - When it's published in print (such as an internet posting), it's libel. Slander is word-of-mouth.

    41. Creator Theta Sigma 1 day ago

      @deusx_ophc

      Croeso! I hope you had a great holiday.
      Good to have you back as a regular.

      @Wyzak

      I've got some odds for you:

      95% chance that your next attempt at FDEV slander will be shown to be false (...just using past performance as a guide to future events :)

    42. Creator deusx_ophc 1 day ago

      somehow, quite peversely, this comments sections is getting better all the time.

      @Wyzak and the very latest attempt to smear FDEVs, this time about share dealings and their reporting is just brilliant.

      a great start into the week and a pretty accomplished monday morning LOL - thanks ^^

    43. Creator Wyzak 1 day ago

      Thanks for the link Harbinger, that does actually explain what happened to the 5000 shares. The large gap in dates made me miss that article, but it does take time for a bond to be registered.

    44. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Wyzak

      To be frank, it certainly seems as though Harbinger has reamed your latest "analysis", destroyed it with a good 'aim' from his spam javelin.

    45. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Harbinger

      That's (yet another) strike on the tally-chart of erroneous conjecture/misinformation from Wyzak et al.

      The list is quite long now.
      It's probably about time I updated it and reposted it for those who either don't know their history, or have simply forgotten because Wyzak et al. tend not to discuss their proven-to-be-false conjectures once the passage of time confirms the reality of the situation.

    46. Creator Harbinger 2 days ago

      @Wyzak: It seems pretty clear from the link I provided below (which was shared with the LSE some 5 months ago) that David Gammon transferred the ownership of those 5000 shares from his Unlimited Liability Company (Rockspring) to be jointly owned by himself and his wife in order to be able to use them as security for a mortgage. As long as the mortgage continues to be paid he still has full control over those 5000 shares although they no longer show up on his main share holdings being that they're 2 separate entities.
      -
      I couldn't give a damn about the shares myself, I just enjoy debunking your conspiracy theories. ;)

    47. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Wyzak

      Does this "Frank" tell you to do things?

    48. Creator Harbinger 2 days ago

      Wyzak: Who says the 5000 shares have been disposed of?
      http://frontier.co.uk/investor_relations/reports/news/…

    49. Creator Theta Sigma 2 days ago

      @Wyzak

      Is "Frank" an apparition that appears to you wearing a rabbit suit?

    50. Creator Wyzak 2 days ago

      Harbinger, did you even look at it at all?

      The change of ownership figures was sourced from the investor relations page of FDEV's own website, not from the LSE.

      Then there is no notification on either FDEV's website or the LSE's page of FDEV in relation to the disposal of shares. The notification isn't just some "if you feel like it" statement, it is a AIM rule and is one of the ways in which shareholders (fund managers etc) are notified of important matters for their consideration.

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