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>> disingenuous marketing, over hyping, ever dreaming and completely disconnected from the reality of his own game CEO
@deusx_ophc @Wyzak @Oldschool Shadowrunner
Yous all in for a meet-up at the Frontier Expo?
FDEV on the future of their games and more importantly on their communities
say was saying what again mr. oldschool?!
ED's most famous player, CMDR Harry Potter, on the future of the game.
"As much as I would like to see this game still going in 10 years, I that is almost guaranteed not going to happen with the current rate of development...
Hell I can list just a few things that will prevent this game going for another 3 years never mind 10.
Little to no content
Minimal impact on the game world
Poor Crime and Punishment system
Some of the worst networking in gaming history
Poor developer attitudes towards exploits
Half baked features
Features riddled with bugs and not fixed
Story content cannot be completed in-game
No MMO social features
Grind on top of grind
This is just what I could think of right now and there are plenty more, again I would love to see this game continue since I enjoy it, but come on Fdev get your act together... you are missing critical features and have yet to address critical bugs. the space MMO scene is starting to ramp up and its looking great for us space fans. but right now I feel like I am in a sinking boat, hoping for another to pass by when I would prefer to stay in this boat afloat."
Is that you projecting again, Oldschool? %^]
Frontier will now let you change the color of your lasers to white. For £1. Desperate, or what??
"one of the reasons I`m not ever supporting this company again
disingenuous marketing, over hyping, ever dreaming and completely disconnected from the reality of his own game CEO, high price, allays on-line DRM with very low quality servers, playing the "we so poor, we cannot give you what we advertised, give us money" card than buying a Hollywood franchise and a new building... Yeah that`s frontier for you.
Where is my orrery? soon in the store too?"
Sony agrees first refund for Elite: Defective on PS4
"I purchased ED via PlayStation as a digital copy, I requested a refund which was initially refused. However, after explaining the situation further PlayStations agreed based on proof of correspondence with Frontier, which I have. I've given Frontier a deadline of 5th August as I feel this is ample time to fix or attempt to fix the issue.
As it stands for many PS4 ED players, the game isn't fit for purpose. I can't believe these issues have only just occurred without some form of testing being performed using a variety of Broadband providers, also in hindsight maybe Frontier should have allowed Beta testing for a week - The problem would've arisen and some folks may have waited for a fix to be provided be spending their hard earned cash.
The gaming industry appears to have this attitude where we, the consumer are bottomless money pits, where our views and concerns don't matter. Regular updates on this issue would be nice, given the amount of users impacted, I know Frontier can't give an answer right now but at least this might ease users frustrations - It's called good PR. "
"Why has the Community Manager virtually abandoned the forums?"
(Discussion now blocked by Frontier mods.)
"First of all, I would like to just like to reiterate that singling out an individual within Frontier directly and questioning their work isn't something we support." -- Frontier
"How does FDev continually introduce bugs they've fixed before?
Frontier roll a 6 sided dice, this is what each number means:
IF we roll 142 drives, fix it
We didn't know
Its on the list(tm)
"FDev were very cunning when they started Elite Dangerous - or they thought they were. They thought that they could not only outsource the QA process for the game. but they also thought they could also charge actual money, to have their own customers act as Quality Assurance staff.
Of course, the customers are not even slightly competent to do that job, and as a result the game is always filled with egregious examples of bugs which even the Most Incompetent actual QA person would never allow through."
"It's what I call a cashcow-stairwell. Let me explain:
A skeleton of a game is sold at full price, but advertised with the promise of constant improvement and development until it's fleshed out.
The developers don't tell you anything specific about these improvements, so you feel entitled to nothing, even though you paid for literally "anything".
Because of that, the developer is free to put your money in a new, completely different project.
They repeat steps 1-3 with the new project, be it a new game or something unrelated.
The old projects become frozen and stuck in development-hell (like Elite), just strong enough to sustain the requirements of being called a "WIP" while neither making the developers a profit nor financial losses (here's where microtransactions are used for balance).
To sustain this permanent cycle of cashflow none of the single projects must be "finished", no goal must be "achieved", but everything left unfinished by design.
The real goal is to make money, not satisfy customers.
This design is successfully used in business all the time, because it's so nontransparent to the buyers."
"Just me or is anyone else finding the PS4 version a bit buggy?
I used to play on the PC but got PS4 version as most of my pals are on PS4.
Only played a few hours and game has crashed about 5 times.
Tried to land in the station and the pad I was assigned had a ship sitting there.
Tried to leave the station and immediately destroyed - cops just started firing on me.
Getting a bit annoyed"
"Constant disconnects in open at quince (self.EliteDangerous)
what gives. its pretty much unplayable for me this weekend. Never been this bad.
Just me? have gone back to upnp and turned port forwarding off in desperation but still just as bad.
starting to fuck me off."
"Welcome to Elite:Connection error
Hopefully a hot fix soon?
Hahahahahaha lol you think the devs actually fix things
I live in hope :)"
"FDev is the wrong company for this game.
First they screwed up Arena by not having any incentive to play it except "fun", and had to cancel the 100k competition shortly after. Tried to compensate with Icarus Cup, obviously trying to rush it at first (with under a weeks notice originally!!!!) and having to delay it twice only to go _completely quiet_ (like with many other things) about it few months later. And then they apparently just gave up on it alienating 90% of the PvP community _for good_. My guess is they got tired or run out of resources trying to please both sides of the "griefer vs. carebear" fence and chose to run with the latter, larger group of players."
Wyzak on 28th June 2016
"Let's revisit the factual game scoring:
Game, objective URL, recent score, overall score
E:D http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/#app_reviews_hash, 58%, 65%
ED:H http://store.steampowered.com/app/441340/#app_reviews_hash, 65%, 66%
Clearly it's a masterpiece!"
Yes indeed, let's revisit the factual game scoring, a year hence:
Game, objective URL, recent score (delta), overall score (delta)
E:D http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/#app_reviews_hash, 68% (+10), 68% (+3)
ED:H http://store.steampowered.com/app/441340/#app_reviews_hash, 87% (+22), 77% (+11)
Clearly it's becoming a masterpiece! %^]
last few shares sold today (1.000 gbx 530 and 4.000 gbx 515 at 200,86% - no fx involved)
so really not a shareholder anymore ( i did fib at some point)
thank you db & team. looking forward to what comes next =)
and thank you @Theta Sigma for the most marvelous entertainment /bow
right on commander !
Oldschool and Wyzak as sick as a parrot?
...or are they just sick of parroting out the same old deluded garbage? %^]
FDEV GBX 517.00 Var % (+/-) +8.84% (Up +42.00)
> PS4 Elite: Dangerous now Live
Alive, but sick as a parrot, due to bugs, as you'd expect.
Crashes and kicks to menu with extreme regularity.
Accessing any part of the game causes kicks to main screen.
Excess frame rate drop the rest of the time and mileage and time eta's not showing correctly.
Have also experienced this all with the starter ship and the hauler. Landing at a station is nearly a guaranteed kick.
Crashes more regularly after selecting the launch option then accelerating away causes crashes.
Frontier's response reflects the fact that the game is borked, they know it and they can't fix it.
Sorry for the frustration.
If this continues to be an issue for you please contact our customer support team: [Customer support]"
"We took money for something, spent it on other stuff, failed to deliver quality content for the money we took and we know we can't pull the same stunt twice as most people aren't that stupid"
"I would say, without a shadow of a doubt that Horizons so far has not been value for money.
If you compare the quality and content of Horizons to something like The Witcher 3's Blood and Wine, an expansion that cost significantly less than Horizons and delivered so much more.
I'm not just talking by a bit, but a lot. It's got 10 times the content of Horizons (and that's conservative) at less than half the price.
The developer is roughly the same size as FD before anyone plays the "But FD is a small company" card.
In a vacuum I can see why some people would think Horizons was good value but compared to other games it's expansion has been pretty crappy value for money IMO
FD knew people wouldn't fall for the same trick twice and that's the reason they ditched that model, nothing else. There was no altruism in the choice to ditch that model it was "We took money for something, spent it on other stuff, failed to deliver quality content for the money we took and we know we can't pull the same stunt twice as most people aren't that stupid" .
P.s. It wasn't a few quid, it cost £40 at launch did it not?"
"Story is the one thing in this game for which my interest has reached zero and has been keeping going down really. Unless you're part of the few people who somehow have inordinate amounts of free time to spend on plodding through ARG after ARG and staring at nothingness, reading Galnet and the occasional Twitter spam is really all there is.
Getting to see Thargoids? Apparently the way to do that was to check out the exact path some lucky dude was jumping; derping around the Pleiades sector for hours without luck? Yeah, turns out watching that stuff on Youtube is more fun. Barnacles? *yawn*. The most "gameplay" from the whole Thargoid "storyline" so far was the occasional UA bombing (one of the dumbest mechanisms in this game to date IMAO).
So yeah, I'll stick to running a CG every now and then and maybe get my behind out exploring again, but as long as things keep like this, the story can get stuffed."
Keep tryin' son %^]
PS4 Elite: Dangerous now Live
"there is no 10 year plan... and during/after KS we were constantly being told how the game would look at launch, and when they were talking about future after-release content like planetary landings, they were always clear about that (very clearly visible in the DDF posts for instance) so its more of "we are 3 years after launch and we still don`t have what was advertised to be at launch"
where is my orrery map? where is my procedural damage, where is my BGS as described by DB, where are my market analysis tools, where are my multiple station clusters....
oh... on the cutting room floor"
"What hasn't been delivered that was promised with Horizons?
landable planets with active volcanism including ice volcanism (don`t even start with the F`in fumaroles)
multiple SRV types
non-combat multicrew roles
new playable ships including very large trading ships...
that`s for starters... there is a whole list here on the forums with quotes"
New update, new bugs
You still lurking Wyzak?
"I have over 5,100 hours in Elite and one of the biggest lessons I have learned in that time is that FD doesn't fix bugs, they only make more. If they would just take a moment to polish up the quality of their product before moving ahead. Let's be honest here many updates that have came out have been so low quality at release (2.3: The Trainwreck in particular) that if it were an actual product you purchased in the store like a coffee maker you would have already returned it by throwing it angrily at the head of the store manager for selling you a coffee pot with no pot and no power cord because they forgot to give the thing a power switch at the factory. The "it's just a game argument" is a very silly one in this regard as it's still a business producing a product for consumers. Quality matters."
also "some other game" = the next stellar franchise in FDEVs portfolio ^^
ED is on a 10 year dev cycle... so that leaves how many years of active development?!
you can count @os yes?
and in related news: FDEV reports Revenue up 75%, operating profit up 500% with cash reserves 12,7 mio GBP up 4,0 mio GBP anually
>> Elite Dangerous Executive Producer Michael Brookes leaves the project.
> nothing better could happen to FDEV.
Nothing better?? How about FDEV:
* Moves all the other ED people too on to some other game
* Ceases ED development
* Confesses to backers and players that they are never going to deliver the ED that they were paid for.
* Turns off the servers and released the code as Braben promised, so fans can have a go at fixing it up.
* Issue refunds.
"Dear Frontier Developments,
for the love of fucking god, stop releasing your game completely bugged and especially if it affects major "quests". Every other game gets shit on for bullcrap like this, which is completely unacceptable in this day and age.
Get some fucking QA going and stop bananawaring us. Your software should never need to ripen with the customer, for fucks sake.
"This is the most honest video of Elite Dangerous I have come across. You're right. The developers have taken this game straight into the Free-to-Play zone. Everything happens by RNG, a pointless grind for money, to a pointless grind for ships you're going to have to RNG grind to RNG upgrade. Ya, they've really cheated us on gameplay. It's a Free-to-Play game model that's go sooo, sooo, much wasted potential. They just keep taking away from that potential every update."
"There is still nothing to do. After years. The biggest piece of content in the game is the Thargoid storyline and you don't even need to play to enjoy it.
I don't think I have ever even seen FDev address it either. It's been years if half baked content with no reason to play. Here's a list of things the game should have had indeed of wasting time on planet landing and multucrew:
player faction and corporations in game
play owned stations and housing
raid/dungeon style missions
Literally ANY type of progression besides just getting more money. Ships, ship kits, special paint jobs, special variations of existing ships that are only obtainable by doing special in game things
something that resembles a story mode. Either being a trucker or serving in the military
actual Co-op content and a reason to wing up with friends and take on missions together
But no, I'd much rather play loading screen simulator on space.
and in related news: FDEV reports Revenue up 75%, operating profit up 500% with cash reserves 12,7 mio GBP up 4,0 mio GBP anually
@os michael leaves ED to head up franchise no.3 - nothing better could happen to FDEV. even you will in time (about 3 months away) understand ^^
Elite Dangerous Executive Producer Michael Brookes leaves the project.
No replacement announced.
" its more of "we are 3 years after launch and we still don`t have what was advertised to be at launch"
"What im really hating is that Frontier is acting like a company that sold us a full product. If youre going to sell us promises of content and an unfinished product, then you have to be more open in your communication. Elite Dangerous was funded by early access and kickstarters. Whatever people say, Seasons = early access. That means that the early money you have received for an unfinished product has a price"
your sense of timing is pure comedy, as it should be for a clown ^^
FDEV GBX 456.50 Var % (+/-) +8.95% (Up +37.50)
looks like an all time high to me~ oh and i was able to move most of my shares this year (GBX 156 vs GBX 409) what volumes you ask? hmmm, i think i leave that to your imagination
Heyy FDEV stockholders, you're slacking. Post some good news about ED! :-)
"This ; Braben has turned out to be a class A snake oil salesman."
"I would rather buy a fried racoon on a stick and eat it than buying anything else from Frontier."
"Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice...
Nope, not buying anything Frontier related until E : D starts resembling the game that was pitched on KS."
"I paid life time pass and I expect 8 seasons and a full game. Any move to another Elite game in the next 5 years I will disown Frontier/Elite and go SC."
hey buddy, how is your public therapy going? juding by the numbers of your recent posts, you seem to be on another downer.
well, cheer up and enjoy this awesome summer ^^
"I'll appreciate they delivered a fun game that I thoroughly enjoyed.
I will not appreciate that I paid for much more than I got (Beta backer + Lifetime Pass) and the development slowed down to a crawl. And the fact than not even 20% of what was outlined in the Design Documents (yes, some of us still remember those, FD) actually made it into the game."
"Everything we've received sinze Horizons started has been watered down, broken or at least half-assed implementation - sprinkle on some grind for flavor.
i look forward to these core gameplay improvements you're talking about, but you show a bad track record so far, as far as i'm concerned and i'll hold my praises until we see some actual results that don't involve RNG-based CG's and 20s CGI movies.
Sorry /u/EdwardLewis_Frontier , i've no hate for you guyes, and the base game you made was pretty good, but i've received little i can appreciate over the course of Horizons and no addition of grindy RNG-based "content", blanded out planets or lousy co-op mechanics will fix these things. we recieve time and again this message that we have to use the features before they'll get worked on additionally, and at the core i find this philosophy backwards - it is your responsibility as a company to deliver features we love, not our responsibility to love the halfbaked features you make in hopes you'll finish them.
Sorry if i come off salty, but i really wished this game to be something more than the regular MMO-waste-of-time in new clothes - so far i believe only exploration fits that bill, and i'll be a happy man when i can say i'm done with your mission system and your engineering slot machines and head back out in my cutter."
"I'm amazed at how everyone keeps complaining about the lack of development on a game they bought years ago for the same price as any other AAA title, when every other game they own has no more than any other 4-6 hour campaign with no replay potential.
People need to chill out and try to enjoy things. If you don't like the game mechanics anymore then just go on to the next game. I think we've all had enough of the hostility from other commanders."
"There is no other game out there where I can relax and fly a spaceship doing whatever it is I want to do. I'm a proud Elite:Dangerous player and toxic assholes can fuck off."
"Its just gone guys and gals. I have never seen such a bull arc in storytelling in my life. Such an utter disappointment. And a complete waste of time. Ill come back in two years after FD have hopefully learnt not to wind people up with crap storylines while they fraff with content.
DB is the same man as always. A businessman jumping ahead of himself in order to satisfy all the markets. The money spent on opening those markets prematurely could have been well spent on a exclusively PC game only. We would be light years ahead with consumer addiction, and have a rich and varied storyline. NOPE. ED is going to go nowhere. Its a disaster. I cant commit any more time to this cluster. "
"Elite dangerous is nothing more than a disaster of game design and content menagement, and, to be completely fair, I seriously doubt there will be any elite dangerous in 2 years time, especially with the competition being so far ahead."
"Let's take a moment to see what happened tonight:
We watched Ed follow the instructions to an enigma solved by the Canonn in .4 secondes, go to a beacon with dead ships and listened to some coded message. Fade to black, teaser, and a 2 minute speech about how 2.4 is all about narrative.
If the update is on par with what we've seen tonight in terms of storytelling then I have no hopes for Elite any more."
ohh lala ^^
Frontier forced to confess to a huge Engineers exploit they had concealed for months.
"Open PvP has been ruined. I see no reason whatsoever to play this game anymore, given the fact that all I had left to accomplish in the game was to "get good" at combat. That pool has been poisoned, probably irrevocably. At this point it doesn't matter what 2.4 is, what future content is planned, my love affair with ED is on the rocks. The only thing left is to hope that Fdev does something to restore integrity, but I have 0% faith in that at this point, seeing as all they've seen fit to do is close the loop and forever separate the have's from the have not's.
This is a truly dreadful state of affairs."
"Frontier puts in hundreds of exploits delibratly in the game , crashed alien ships with replenishing ua and fragments,
community goals where the valuable materials float in space and are never removed .
mechanics that are broken , like the mision stacking and scan misions , instance switching . etc
Bugs in community goals that are broken , or so bugged they become exploits .
and BGS where you can ruin an entire system with in a day.
Dont blame the community for finding and using the broken mechanics in the game , this is just poor design and the ones that designed it should be punished .
Not to mention encouraging the commanders to pick apart every aspect of the game in search of hidden clues riddles mechanics.
Punishing the ones for these internal bugs is ludicrous , as grievers and harasment still goes unpunished."
"they have not banned a single person , they dont even recognise their own mistakes , steve the cg writer screwed up so much he practically seeded the bubble with exploits . this also counts for sanmarco his poor designing brought more exploits to the game any one can count for"
"Exploits are just a name devs invented to excuse their own incompetence."
Are you psyched for the PS4 release of Elite: Dangerous?
"I get the feeling that this game is running on a skeleton crew. How many developers are assigned to elite right now? 5... 7? It can't be more than 10."
"FDEV have always said they're 'making the game they want to play'.
Which at the moment seems to be a bug-ridden shallow Galaxy Arena arcade shoot-em-up with some sim-like aspects.
So if FDEV are enjoying this game they're making, then who are we to complain?"