Use this space to cheer the creator along, and talk to your fellow backers.
Have a question?
So many years in, you've gone so far past pitiful that it's just tragic.
"Am I just missing something or is the gameplay intended to be this shallow?"
Oh DeusX you over for FX17? Would be great to catch up buddy
You guys are still here?
"And If you've invested £10,000 in FDEV two weeks ago you'd have lost around £3000 as of today."
...on paper, only, OS.
If that hypothetical £10,000 investment from 2 weeks ago is held until the SP is £30 or £100 that's £30,000 or £100,000 respectively.
... and the hypothetical investment of £10,000 at £1.06, well, that's £283,000 or £943,000 respectively.
'Buy Low, Sell High'
Did Elite '84 teach you nothing? %^]
Frontier shareholder Theta Sigma wrote: "Analysts are confidently predicting £30 to £100 per share within 2-5 years."
Didn't they notice the share price has lost nearly 30% over the last two weeks?
> If you'd invested £10,000 in FDEV on November 29th 2013 you'd now have £112,052
And If you've invested £10,000 in FDEV two weeks ago you'd have lost around £3000 as of today.
"I've been playing this game for months on and off and I've never felt that I've had any actual fun. There's just no substance to the gameplay. I've asked many people and they say I need to have "patience". Like wtf does that even mean. Grinding Quince scan missions for six hours straight? I'm not sure how anybody has fun playing this game, it's just one massive grind. Anyway, if anybody can tell me the secret to enjoying this game then that'd be great."
@theta u ok bud? how did i get mixed in with @wazzok and @os?
Another gameplay-free trailer from Frontier. https://youtu.be/38bHNSB4cDM
"I gotta say Fdev are very good at "tone setting" it's a pity the gameplay is never close to the tone."
"Hey FD how about less cinematic videos and more "get the tail end of your very delayed season out the door already"."
@Oldschool Shadowrunner @deusx_ophc
If you'd invested £10,000 in FDEV on November 29th 2013 you'd now have £112,052
Analysts are confidently predicting £30 to £100 per share within 2-5 years.
Just think, you've wasted the last 4 years of your lives spreading lies, rumour and hearsay, when you could both have been millionaires before the decade is out.
Don't give up your day jobs %^]
A demand to Frontier Developments to change the emphasis of development on Elite Dangerous
We, a community of Elite Dangerous players, are making a call for a change of emphasis of project development towards faster correction of existing problems, expanding the game mechanics, more effective work of the QA-department and more open project development and informing the community about the current state of work.
"The only thing that will make Frontier change is if everyone stopped playing. But that will most likely result in the game getting cancelled."
"This fucking update better be fucking good and full of shit to do because all the teasing of teasings of announcements of excitements are getting old really quick. This has to be the only season pass I've ever been unhappy with, from the lack of content to the lack of clear communication, all the way through the doubled delay to deliver features that were sold. ED's development cycle is a fucking joke. Put a bit of all the damn money FDev makes into a bigger, faster, team. Change your management ways, your designers, change something for fuck's sake, you can't just be slow as fuck, under-deliver all the time and when one of the few patches release, only deliver some messed up, crappy, random script and 20 strings of lore, here are there, for that 2% of the community that masturbates to spectrographs and spreadsheets. Deliver content, deliver gameplay, deliver mechanics. Power play is dead, multicrew was dead on arrival, the guardians were bugged and lasted days, weeks tops, CQC is dead and forgotten, the engineers needed you to cheat by giving 3 materials for each one picked up just to make the grind bearable, your new heatsink synthesis "for explorers" need bubble bound manufactured materials, making it useless for explorers but fucking up a somewhat balanced pvp : what more do you need, to see that something is terribly wrong in the design department?
This game terribly needs competition, because without a wake-up call, Braben's driving ED straight into the wall"
"Frontier, the developers of Elite Dangerous, has a big problem. They are not listening to their player community. They have a game with unfair mechanics by design to create the illusion of challenge on top of critical bugs that cause players to lose hours of progress and millions in in-game currency for a mistake. This shouldn't be a thing but it is, it makes for a game that isn't fun but it shouldn't be that way. If Frontier would only listen to their community this wouldn't be an issue, but it isn't and I have to make videos like this. Joining me is a special guest Tygra Kahn who co-hosts my Elite Dangerous live streams on Zorch Central. Live Streams that might end because of this if we don't continue playing the game due to these constantly reoccurring issues."
How is Oldschool's #vinvestment looking these days?
"I stopped playing too because I slowly came to realize that this game is done on the cheap. Every update is a skeleton of what it could be. Multicrew was the absolute last straw as the only actual new content was an arcade-y gunner role that, from what I hear has been a nightmare with networking. Like, come on guys, I was playing stable games of C&C red alert or warcraft 2 about 20 YEARS AGO! This is 2017, how can a game constantly have networking problems today? Every new feature feels about as developed as a smart phone game. This idea that "you are just a small part of a large galaxy and your actions are meaningless" is just an excuse to make a boring game with little actual content. They hook people into the idea that it's a game unlike all other games, and you can be whatever you want in this vast galaxy, but what it ends up being is "you can do the same stupid activity 1000 times and it actually has no lasting impact on the galaxy or you as a character"."
Fancy gambling on another Frontier Kickstarter?
Join the discussion here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/372956-Would-you-kickstart-Space-Leg
@joseph pilkus banter? what banter ^^
as you can tell, maybe time & reason has finally caught up with the last few standing. i can only hope that @os kills his bot at some stage =)
@Harbinger: thanks! I visit infrequently, but I have this bizarre curiosity about the handful of guys who continue posting. I'll probably not return, as there's nothing all that new with their respective tirades.
@Joseph Pilkus, Most of us learned long ago it's a complete waste of time continuing to post here. It's not like anyone outside of a handful of people actually visit this comments section. I personally only visit maybe once a month these days as quite frankly OS has become an utter bore by posting random forum/reddit links.
Nice to see somebody different posting for a change.
Wow! It's been a few months so I had to check-in...
Theta, OS, and deusx, I have to hand it to you. If this were a protest, you three would have remained on-site long after everyone had gone home. I guess the question remains, why do you continue the banter when you're not going to change anyone's mind?
Hi Oldschool, I spoke with security and they've let me in to check on how you're doing.
Hopefully the restraints aren't too uncomfortable and you've managed to stop banging your head? They tell me if you cease shouting for a week they'll let you have your crayons back - so that's something to look forward to, isn't it?
I'll check back in a month or so.
What's that? Yes, I agree, the original Jurassic Park was the best one.
Till next time.
An open letter to Frontier Developments
"I write this letter with a heavy heart, for I too belived in a dream of yours that we know as Elite: Dangerous."
"right now it's microtransaction hell with nothing, but NOTHING to look forward to"
"@PlanetCoaster has now passed 1M players"
When Steam says they've only sold 830,000 copies of this game which can only be bought on Steam.
> "2.75M ED & Horizons sales"
A rise of about ten times the sales reported by their biggest outlet Steam.
Frontier telling porky pies again?
Bought Subnautica this week - utterly amazing. Whilst it is underwater and not space, and a much smaller game map - you really could cry that Elite didn't follow this model. Easy to pick up, wonderfully crafted game world, able to walk around the submarine you can craft and every second playing feels worthwhile....even just watching the alien fish go about there business.
4.24x float price of 165p (324% increase)
6.6x lowest price of 106p (560% increase)
...over 4 years.
Liberum Capital just set target price of 850p
"Great news! @PlanetCoaster has now passed 1M players & @EliteDangerous 2.75M ED & Horizons sales - Thank you so much for your support!"
"The endgame for FD in terms of Elite development is finally abandoning the "season model" for Elite because they quite simply have no financial incentive to put anything more than minimal resources into the game at this point. They've realized that there isn't enough trust or goodwill left in the community to pay for content in advance, so they're going to do what they can with ridiculously overpriced cosmetic DLC and the occasional OP "feature" DLC that they hope will get more money out of existing players for as little effort as possible.
There is no "10 year plan" for Elite. There isn't even a "5 year plan". There was a 3 year plan, and we're reaching the end of it. They will keep their inexpensive BGS servers running, which require very little resources due to the game's P2P architecture, probably develop a few OP features and cosmetic DLC over the next few years, but we will not be seeing all of those impressive and immersive features that Braben told everyone about. It quite simply would not be financially viable for them to do so given their focus is on making money for their shareholders.
The really amusing part here is that I identified this problem last year after looking at FD's financial reports and seeing how they were neglecting Horizons and funneling revenue from Elite to develop Planet Coaster instead. I could clearly see where things were headed and now that even the most optimistic Elite players are finally arriving at the same conclusions there's very little FD can do to spin the situation.
Braben, who owns 51% of FD, and the company's shareholders could care less about the situation. They aren't in the business of making Elite into a good game, they simply want to make as much money as possible in as short a time period as possible. Elite quite simply is not going to be seen as worthwhile for FD to invest more than the minimum amount of resources in at this point."
Someone posts ED PS4 sales figures .... aaaand Frontier locks the thread.
Someone posts news of Sony refunding ED PS4... aaaand Frontier locks the thread.
"Good news for ps4 players
If you purchased via digital download sony is giving refunds on request for this game. Normally its the old buyer beware but due to large amounts of complaints they caved. I know there will be blah blah best game ever, but this is to help other players who bought the poorly done buggy ps4 port."
What a shame Frontier doesn't put as much effort in to fixing its game.
After a share sale that reduces Braben's holding to 45.6%, a Frontier spokesperson claims he "still owns the majority of the company".
"The degree to which David Braben has lost touch with this project cannot be overstated. Every time.e he talks about, it's like he just came off a long nap daydreaming about his game after a long stint playing, say, EVE."
Business as usual with Elite Incompetant.
"Came back after months away to find whole new bugs, menus slow as hell, surface scan mission bugged so that I was sat looking at an empty space where the outpost should have been for 5 minutes until it suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
This is progress apparently.""
"Just to say after a few days of average stability, the crashes are worse than ever today. All recommended changes done, but as it stands the game is close to unplayable. Nearly every interaction with the game causes a crash. FSD, landing, take off, Mission Board. Res. Combat. When it doesn't lose network connection, I get the blue screen error pop up once in a while too. Sadly, going to have to just give up on it as this isn't entertainment, it's painful. "
"Disconnections are worse than ever after the so called hotfix!
5 disconnects in about 20 minutes since the update. 3 'could not connect to the adjudication server' & 2 'could not connect to the transaction server' errors.
Seriously guys, you're taking the now!
This is becoming seriously unplayable."
@os so now what?! cry FDEV a river some more?!
i hate to break it to you @od but...
....FDEV are #doomed
614,00 GBX Price increase89,00 (16,95 %) today
"Elite Dangerous is one of the most inexplicably horribly managed games I have ever seen in my life. Literally every single decision Frontier makes is incomprehensibly stupid and half-assed. I wish it were fun, believe me. But they actually managed to suck all the fun out of a game where you pilot a spaceship with the entire Milky Way galaxy at your fingertips."
always at hand for a friendly meet & greet ^^ let's make it a date boys!
>> disingenuous marketing, over hyping, ever dreaming and completely disconnected from the reality of his own game CEO
@deusx_ophc @Wyzak @Oldschool Shadowrunner
Yous all in for a meet-up at the Frontier Expo?
FDEV on the future of their games and more importantly on their communities
say was saying what again mr. oldschool?!
ED's most famous player, CMDR Harry Potter, on the future of the game.
"As much as I would like to see this game still going in 10 years, I that is almost guaranteed not going to happen with the current rate of development...
Hell I can list just a few things that will prevent this game going for another 3 years never mind 10.
Little to no content
Minimal impact on the game world
Poor Crime and Punishment system
Some of the worst networking in gaming history
Poor developer attitudes towards exploits
Half baked features
Features riddled with bugs and not fixed
Story content cannot be completed in-game
No MMO social features
Grind on top of grind
This is just what I could think of right now and there are plenty more, again I would love to see this game continue since I enjoy it, but come on Fdev get your act together... you are missing critical features and have yet to address critical bugs. the space MMO scene is starting to ramp up and its looking great for us space fans. but right now I feel like I am in a sinking boat, hoping for another to pass by when I would prefer to stay in this boat afloat."
Is that you projecting again, Oldschool? %^]
Frontier will now let you change the color of your lasers to white. For £1. Desperate, or what??
"one of the reasons I`m not ever supporting this company again
disingenuous marketing, over hyping, ever dreaming and completely disconnected from the reality of his own game CEO, high price, allays on-line DRM with very low quality servers, playing the "we so poor, we cannot give you what we advertised, give us money" card than buying a Hollywood franchise and a new building... Yeah that`s frontier for you.
Where is my orrery? soon in the store too?"
Sony agrees first refund for Elite: Defective on PS4
"I purchased ED via PlayStation as a digital copy, I requested a refund which was initially refused. However, after explaining the situation further PlayStations agreed based on proof of correspondence with Frontier, which I have. I've given Frontier a deadline of 5th August as I feel this is ample time to fix or attempt to fix the issue.
As it stands for many PS4 ED players, the game isn't fit for purpose. I can't believe these issues have only just occurred without some form of testing being performed using a variety of Broadband providers, also in hindsight maybe Frontier should have allowed Beta testing for a week - The problem would've arisen and some folks may have waited for a fix to be provided be spending their hard earned cash.
The gaming industry appears to have this attitude where we, the consumer are bottomless money pits, where our views and concerns don't matter. Regular updates on this issue would be nice, given the amount of users impacted, I know Frontier can't give an answer right now but at least this might ease users frustrations - It's called good PR. "
"Why has the Community Manager virtually abandoned the forums?"
(Discussion now blocked by Frontier mods.)
"First of all, I would like to just like to reiterate that singling out an individual within Frontier directly and questioning their work isn't something we support." -- Frontier
"How does FDev continually introduce bugs they've fixed before?
Frontier roll a 6 sided dice, this is what each number means:
IF we roll 142 drives, fix it
We didn't know
Its on the list(tm)
"FDev were very cunning when they started Elite Dangerous - or they thought they were. They thought that they could not only outsource the QA process for the game. but they also thought they could also charge actual money, to have their own customers act as Quality Assurance staff.
Of course, the customers are not even slightly competent to do that job, and as a result the game is always filled with egregious examples of bugs which even the Most Incompetent actual QA person would never allow through."
"It's what I call a cashcow-stairwell. Let me explain:
A skeleton of a game is sold at full price, but advertised with the promise of constant improvement and development until it's fleshed out.
The developers don't tell you anything specific about these improvements, so you feel entitled to nothing, even though you paid for literally "anything".
Because of that, the developer is free to put your money in a new, completely different project.
They repeat steps 1-3 with the new project, be it a new game or something unrelated.
The old projects become frozen and stuck in development-hell (like Elite), just strong enough to sustain the requirements of being called a "WIP" while neither making the developers a profit nor financial losses (here's where microtransactions are used for balance).
To sustain this permanent cycle of cashflow none of the single projects must be "finished", no goal must be "achieved", but everything left unfinished by design.
The real goal is to make money, not satisfy customers.
This design is successfully used in business all the time, because it's so nontransparent to the buyers."
"Just me or is anyone else finding the PS4 version a bit buggy?
I used to play on the PC but got PS4 version as most of my pals are on PS4.
Only played a few hours and game has crashed about 5 times.
Tried to land in the station and the pad I was assigned had a ship sitting there.
Tried to leave the station and immediately destroyed - cops just started firing on me.
Getting a bit annoyed"
"Constant disconnects in open at quince (self.EliteDangerous)
what gives. its pretty much unplayable for me this weekend. Never been this bad.
Just me? have gone back to upnp and turned port forwarding off in desperation but still just as bad.
starting to fuck me off."
"Welcome to Elite:Connection error
Hopefully a hot fix soon?
Hahahahahaha lol you think the devs actually fix things
I live in hope :)"