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Are you sure about that timing? I thought I read somewhere 3250 which would put it around the time of FFE?
If you have any spare money to pledge, please check out my Writer's Pack Kickstarter- ledges seem to have slowed down significantly which would be a shame, as it's a win-win-win-win situation (You get to read an Elite gamebook, I get to *write* an Elite gamebook, the "Elite" universe expands and gets richer, and FD get £1.50 for every £1 pledged, up to the first £3000) if the Kickstarter gets funded.
Details are here:
If you'd like to see something else to pledge or jump in, please let me know. :)
Good time to be popping in Michael, some people here have some honest and important questions here. Some should be easy to answer. Others will likely go in the 'too hard' basket, but nevertheless we'd be interested in what you have to say
A £70 (or £80) digital only tier with free expansions is something I would also recommend. Probably gives about the same money to FD since no physical goods needs to be made/shipped and it's also close enough to the next tier so people might jump up another step. Needs to be clear though that NO boxed edition will be included in this.
@JHewett Exactly. Frontier need to make something for permanent upgrades :-)
@Alex I don't see that happening. If you're paying hundreds or thousands already you won't drop back to £55.
@Frontier Dev: whilst I appreciate the ideology behind "getting it right" before release, I do hope that the roll-out for seamless planet landing is rapid once you pass launch. You're quite right about the fact that this time around the surface needs to be more than a coloured height map. And anyone who has managed to wrestle the controls from Ars Astra will appreciate the appeal of planet falling only to discover winged creatures flying around the landscape (which I shot immediately ha ha) - the promise of it's scope is enticing. As is the promise to be able to walk around ships/space station/planet surface (hell yes please!!) But I do have to say that having discovered these games through FE2, seamless planet landing is inseparable from the Elite brand to me... Not having it from day will mean for me I won't really start to play the game till its there (no SLP is why I didn't back SC or that one the kid did) ... So can guys you please in a future update talk about the speed for updates past version 1.0? Are we talking months , 6 months , a year before we can fly down to the surface? Also would it be possible to see a tech demo of a planet fall - even if the planet is lifeless & barren height map - would be good to see too please. Proof that the foundations are there already. The infinity engine tech demo from 2010 looks pretty good for example but 2 years later it's still unreleased (can't wait for their Kickstarter vid soon) so we know SLP takes time. Therefore even if it's alpha as f##k, I think it would be important to your investors to demo some proof that the work is in progress with this. That and a rough update schedule would be good I think at this stage, it would make pledging to a promise a little more palatable. Thanks
@ Charlie - they should be very worn out or they are doing it wrong!
As I understand it, the actual payment side of things takes at least 2 weeks to resolve with KS, so they should have a small break before the real hard work begins. just long enough to take a deep breath and dive straight back in :)
Info for lurkers and backers:
Will I have to pay for updates, or expansions, or new content?
Some new features and content will be paid for, especially those that build
significantly on the game. If you have pledged to £90 tier or higher then any
expansions or updates are free.
I suspect Michael and the rest of the FD team are going to have a very busy next 19 days......
The SC team said they were worn out at the end of their campaign...
@Keith, because they don't want people dropping pledges.
Given that ED is set a century after FE(?), the Thargoids have evolved some immunity to the virus, so are making tentative explorations into federation space with scouts and battle fleets -- particularly unexplored areas or Anarchic systems with little or no Galcorp/Naval presence, for example.
I know I would be prepared to go to, say, £70 ($110 aud) for digital only with expansions. Essentially saving £20 from the £90 tier and a further £15 for international shipping.
Or perhaps a pledge level where people can get the game and SPL (when released) but need to pay for other expansions.
Why limit it to 500? The more the merrier surely?
heh yeah i neglected to mention the lower price thing.
@Kevin, No I'm suggesting a lower priced digital only version, I may have put it badly though, too early for a sunday morning. strictly limited run, perhaps 500 tops to get the £20 pledgers to jump up.
Morning Michael. Do you get a weekend? You always seem to be on here.
@Michael: Good morning :) We are as usual in the middle of a discussion here :)
Oooh - an official person - Hello there! (haven't been on when you guys have been before)
@Alex You are suggesting a £90 digital only option? How is that different from the current £90 pledge if you then ask for no physical goods?
Good morning everyone! And a big thanks and welcome to all backers new and old.
@Styggron - True and I have friends who swear by ozgameshop, but the BL2 ULCE was only available via EB and in VERY limited numbers.
I use that game as an example because it is the only limited edition I have ever bought. Mostly I shop online and wait for sales (steam) etc. I just thought the comparison was fairly appropriate ($180/£120 for collectors edition + 4 DLC campaigns vs $80/£50 purely digital game + 4 DLC campaigns).
You make quite a convincing case for the £90 though :P
@Satan of course there are lots of £20 it is the cheapest level and you hit the nail on the head...."free" expansions are going to cost a lot so it needs to be at a higher level :-) and they have done EXACTLY that. :-)
Gotta pop out...Just bookmarking :)
Have fun cya later
@Keith you need to encourage lower levels to increase as you say but also not so the higher ones will all drop. It is a tricky situation really.
i agree re pure digital, it wont cost pledge money as there are only a couple of hundred 90 backers, yet 10,000 20 backers! besides, think most those on 90 will stay and enjoy the other benefits. The only issue i have is that if it costs 1.25m to make the basic game, and everyone goes for the free downloads, how will FD afford to develop the downloads?
@Keith Incorrect it would cost Frontier aorund £40 per person for the free upgrade so you need to look at it from their end not just yours. Of course you are trying to get as much as you can for as little as possible payment that is the duty of the consumer, the goal of the business is to offer you some middleground :-)
Also you run the risk of £90 pledges all dropping to £55 so.......nope...not a good idea.... :-)
@Keith, I get where you are coming from but agree that based on new retail prices £90 is a good price. See my last comment for what i think FD could try.
@styggron it is coming from savings (kids don't need university education any more do they?) not my pay. I just think this one game is so vast and detailed that playing it will remove the need for me to get at least 3 others as I am not sure why I would stop.
@Keith Mac: At some point i am sure FD will release more tiers. I am sure they want as many as possible to up their pledge.
I think a small limited run on digital only version of the £90 think would be good, but a really small amount to test the water.
@JHewett Y0u know it's worth it overall. It will cost you £105 total :-) I used to be on thayt level before I Jontied. :-)
@Styggron : I am quite sure it will be a lot more expensive not to go for the £90 tier. Take WOW as an example,that is a ever growing world,or Sims 3 that will put you back atleast £200(probably a lot more) for all the expansions.
@Kevin. Goodness £1500 is like a month of pay.....sorry MORE than a month of pay way more.
Still at the 'pricing' row I see?
@JHewett that is because you should not buy any game locally you should get them from ozgameshop then it is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar cheaper AND guranteed to work in Australia. :-)
@Styggron You are right. Xmas presents for 3 children being top of the list right now! Elite comes way after that. I am just expressing a point of view and I hope everyone realises that I have tried to be honest and constructive on here these last 4 weeks. I have not liked a few of the answers from FD lately but so what. It's their game to make and I wish it all the best. The gaming world certainly needs some ambition these days.
But at least you aren't paying postage
@Kevin Yes they have but they also said you won't get charged "less" if you are on a lhysical pledge level and choose not to receive it.
@Lars "Free updagrades forever" is going to cost Frontier..... a LOT. They need to recoup.
@Keith Mac: I do agree with your point. A pure digital copy of the game,would be a hit i think. I can imagine a lot of the £20 tiers would go for it.
@Keith I certainly understand some want digital only and some want physical but the £90 tier is to "reward" those at high level because giving out free permanent upgrades is going to cost frontier a lot so they need to recoup hence the £90. Also it is clear you want the free upgrades but at the moment you have no choice but to go to 90 but you have already said no game will allow that so I guess it is a moot point. You will have the £20 and when the paid upgrades come you will need to choose whether you want them or not. However you might end up paying more than £90 overall which would be ironic. :-)
@JHewett You can. Order the £90 and don't give them your address. They have already said you can ask not to recieve the physical goods.
Small caveat: Styggron has almost convinced me to go to £90 if I can swing it :)
I kinda agree with Keith on the pricing thing.
I am Australia so bear with me on the prices, but:
1) I bought Borderlands 2 Ultimate loot chest for $150 Aud and the season pass for $30 - so I got a bunch of physical items and expansions for $180 total. I see this as equivalent of the £90 tier,
2) Had I just bought BL2 digital, with the season pass it would have been $50 (depending on where I got it etc) + $30 (season pass) = $80 (which Google tells me is approx £50).
Currently I back at the £20 level and am really pushing to get the extra £70 (+ £15 for international) for the expansions, but if they said you can add another £40-£50 and get the expansions (digital) only, I would be MUCH more likely to increase my pledge.
I am on the £1500 pledge level. Would i pay that for a game? No. But getting the game is a reward, the money is to help the game be made in the first place. I see this as being The Game. When you start to get bored you change the way you are playing, trader, pirate, missions, developer, bounty hunter, assasin.
£90 for what is inessence 5/6 games with all the awesome features of Elite, that will scale with technology is incredible value.
And yes £20 for a mug is dear, but it has to be done!
'88 on the Atari ST for me. I was 6 at the time. Played Elite until the extra ram dad had installed blew up. Then once Dad fixed it I kept playing.
Thrashed FE2 and FFE, then moved onto cars and girls, then uni, then babies. have dabbled in Oolite and Pioneer, got involved in the story / plot of Pioneer but haven't done any serious game playing for years and years
Well based on yesterday it seems like a lot of people agree with you so I think this Kickstarter is a done deal but I don't think FD have anything to lose offering a Complete Digital Tier in that obvious £55 slot which will cost them NOTHING to do and might bring in a lot of money. Even if a few of the £90 folks drop down to it FD will save money on Boxes, Discs, T-Shirts and postage etc.