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Foxtales Studios LTDBy Foxtales Studios LTD
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Foxtales Studios LTDBy Foxtales Studios LTD
First created
CA$ 150,795
pledged of CA$ 45,000pledged of CA$ 45,000 goal
1,093
backers
Funding Suspended
Funding for this project was suspended by Kickstarter 9 months ago

The Alpha Version of the Rule-book's issue and our side of the story

Posted by Foxtales Studios LTD (Creator)
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Dear Backers:

During the last few days the campaign took a drastic turn after some of our backers pointed out that the rule-book we had shared was plagiarized from Massive Darkness. 

Some harsh words have been said about our integrity and authenticity of this project and we would like to share our side of the story and then leave the matter in your hand. 

Most backers may have realized that not being native speakers, we showed certain language related issues in the game as well as the campaign. Typos, grammatical and syntax errors were constantly pointed out which we admit were made by us. 

The game when it was conceived by Humayun had detailed rules but they were written in textual form in the language Humayun is comfortable with. They were detailed, step by step and at points rather complex. We admit that when we had prepared the campaign, a coherent rulebook should have been prepared alongside the content of the campaign and we paid the price for that. When the campaign initiated we tried to create the content asked by our backers along the way since everything was ready but when the majority clamored for the rule-book we realized our folly. 

We had to deliver the backers a rule-book so that they could believe that game is not just a pretty diorama but playable. Humayun resorted to the free-lancer who had drafted the content of the campaign to turn our textual rulebook into something coherent. We knew that we were sharing a very small part of the rule-book so released it as an alpha version to pacify our eager backers and boy did it back fired. When analogies were drawn, we were shocked as well and freaked out. 

We apologize to all our dear backers who had such high hopes and interests vested in our project. However our inability to handle this disaster complicated this issue further. We also apologize for anything harsh that we may have said to our backers who were only looking out for this close knit community and just wanted what was best for all the backers. We apologize that we released the alpha-version without quality testing it and leaving a lot of our dedicated backers in dark without coming up with a formal statement from our own side.  

Our actions have painted us in a negative light and we understand the consequences of the course we followed in the wake of this scandal but we assure and promise our backers that THIS IS NOT THE RULEBOOK THEY WILL BE GETTING WITH THE GAME. WE WILL NOT BE USING THIS BOOK AT ALL.  

We apologize once again for this huge blunder on our part and own it.  

Last but not the least, we would want to thank a lot of backers who showed faith in us and encouraged us not to give up. Their faith in us has served as a beacon for us during these dark days and we can’t thank them enough.  

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    1. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,
      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      ONLY YOU can decide if it is worth the RISK!
      **All of which may be possible to be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      **************************************************************************************

    2. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,
      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      ONLY YOU can decide if it is worth the RISK!
      **All of which may be possible to be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      **************************************************************************************

    3. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,
      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      ONLY YOU can decide if it is worth the RISK!
      **All of which may be possible to be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      **************************************************************************************

    4. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,
      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      ONLY YOU can decide if it is worth the RISK!
      **All of which may be possible to be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      **************************************************************************************

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      Leif Stensson
      Superbacker
      on

      @Prime All wrote:

      > You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,

      Actually, that's not true. You can cancel later as well. It's only if the funding level has dropped so the campaign is barely funded, and your cancellation would take the campaign from funded to unfunded, that you can't cancel. (And even in that case, you can cancel by contacting Kickstarter customer support, but that make take a few hours, so if you wait too long, it may be too late.)

      Still, if you plan on cancelling, sooner is probably better than later.

    6. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,
      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      ONLY YOU can decide if it is worth the RISK!
      **All of which may be possible to be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      **************************************************************************************

    7. Missing avatar

      Ian Pollard
      Superbacker
      on

      RE-pledged $1 just to be able to comment on this... even the excuse in the update above is blatant plagiarism. This was exactly the same excuse that the creators of "LOAD" used when they were found to have copied their rule book almost word for word from "Rum and Bones" - that they used a third party and never realised it was copied.

      Now, this worked for them and they delivered a successful project eventually - I'm guessing these guys are hoping that using the same excuse will work again. Sorry, too many other red flags.

    8. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      --------------------------------How to cancel your pledge-----------------------------------
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****.
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, and unfortunately unless kickstarter stops this , it WILL fund.
      That means project creators will see:
      -your profile name, - pledge amount, AND YOUR-email address linked to your KS account,

      1. On completion Kickstarter will forward email contact details. Valid emails with attached data of a mark is useful for phishers.
      2. Monies are also forwarded from Kickstarter minus their fee.
      3. The developer then sets up a pledge manager which can directly mine financial details and full addresses. What data is collected varies from pledge manager to pledge manager.
      All this can occur long before the project is confirmed to be a scam the hard way.
      A message of your personal contact details and financial details being at risk is factually correct, but the process is simplified to fit the warning text.
      **All which might be sold on to scammers.

      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane . @Tom Jones , so many others-That wish to protect other backers -Thank you, on behalf of all of us :)
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      *************************************************************************************

    9. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.

      -------------------------------HOW TO CANCEL YOUR PLEDGE----------------------------------

      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is LOCKED IN,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****,
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      *************************************************************************************

    10. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------
      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.

      -------------------------------HOW TO CANCEL YOUR PLEDGE----------------------------------

      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is LOCKED IN,
      If you have any pledge of *****ANY AMOUNT *****amount,
      Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      *************************************************************************************
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste
      *************************************************************************************

    11. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      LINK:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Overturn: Rising Sands Controversy. BY TWO OFF THE TOP POSTED ON JULY 16, 2018
      I rarely if ever get to see board game controversies occur in real-time. The Kickstarter for Overturn: Rising Sands has been a complete and utter train-wreck the past week as allegations have emerged that the Kickstarter is possibly a sham. As I’ve been following along on Reddit, BGG, and social media, I wanted to compile everything in one place so it’s easier to follow.
      Regarding the backers of the game, they are speaking with their words and their wallets as the campaign has dropped nearly $100,000 in the last few days. But what are the reasons for the uproar?
      This is the creators first time making a miniatures game of this scale;
      The creators hid the fact that they are stationed out of Pakistan, which is a country that is not Kickstarter approved for launching products;
      When compared to other miniature heavy games (like those made by CMON), the prices seem exorbitantly lower than they should for all of the items the pledge levels promise;
      Playthrough videos have not been released;
      The miniatures on the Kickstarter page appear to be renders as opposed to sculpted models;
      The creators of Overturn: Rising Sands have not answered questions regarding the above claims (Edit: On 7/17/18 an Update was provided by the creators); and
      The biggest red flag is that the rulebook appears to be heavily plagiarized from CMON’s Massive Darkness game. If you have time to look through it, this is a great side-by-side comparison of the plagiarism.
      If you are a backer of Overturn and wish to release yourself of your pledge, make sure to do so before the final 24 hours as Kickstarter policy has pledges locked-in during the final day of a funded project.
      CMON’s CEO has filed for a DMCA takedown request as well concerning the project.
      This allegation of blatant plagiarism hurts the legitimacy of not just Overturn and Foxtales Studios, but other projects and Kickstarter as a whole through association. If Kickstarter can’t patrol what could be fraudulent activity, what happens when the next time it happens that possible forgery is hidden better and backers find out after the project is funded?
      It will be interesting to see what, if anything, plays out from this tale.

    12. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      ----------------------------------ALL BACKERS, OLD & NEW--------------------------------------

      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands

      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.

      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

    13. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================

      Examples of blatant plagiarism PLEASE READ!!! these media links:
      (1) http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      (2) https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      Tracking sites:
      (3) https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands/#chart-daily
      (4) https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands

      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.

      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

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      Darren Mangan on

      @Prime All you need to fix the spacing on your links mate, you have to links merged together

    15. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      Media links: Please READ!!
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sandshttp://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

    16. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================
      Media links: Please READ!!
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sandshttp://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

    17. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      @Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton
      Great work !!!

    18. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      Community Manage your pledge
      Use this space to cheer the creator along, and talk to your fellow backers.

      Have a question?
      Check out the FAQ

      Leave a comment

      Post comment
      Be respectful and considerate.

      Prime All Superbacker just now
      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================

      Media links: Please READ!!
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sandshttp://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.

      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

    19. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      Community Manage your pledge
      Use this space to cheer the creator along, and talk to your fellow backers.

      Have a question?
      Check out the FAQ

      Leave a comment

      Post comment
      Be respectful and considerate.

      Prime All Superbacker just now
      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      ============================HIGH RISK PROJECT===============================

      Media links: Please READ!!
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sandshttp://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      -There is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      -There is NO shipping details for this campaign.

      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      *re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      GREAT JOB GUYS, protect the backers !
      Let's keep re-posting your warning messages, near the top :) Feel free to copy & paste !

    20. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands

      -Thers is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      ****WARNING****
      HIGH RISK PROJECT
      Media links:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      GREAT JOB GUYS ! protecting the backers
      Please keep reposing your warning messages, near the top :)

    21. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands

      -Thers is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      ****WARNING****
      HIGH RISK PROJECT
      Media links:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      GREAT JOB GUYS ! protecting the backers
      Please keep reposing your warning messages, near the top :)

    22. Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton on

      ************************************ WARNING!***************************************
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      https://www.backerkit.com/projects/1412544049/overturn-rising-sands

      -Thers is NO pledge manager- CrowdOx has rescinded their platform for this campaign.
      re-post from @Shane -Thanks
      ****WARNING****
      HIGH RISK PROJECT
      Media links:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/
      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.
      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.
      GREAT JOB GUYS ! protecting the backers
      Please keep reposing your warning messages, near the top :)

    23. Bannister
      Superbacker
      on

      Consider also, You've put the idea out there, and it looks great, Don't think for a second that its going to stay yours for long, Someone right now has likely seen your initial 3 days, and is talking to people, with the knowledge that $300-$500k+ of KS backers were waiting for an Arabian Knights/Persian Princes style mini board game, this is a market, a decent sized market, and someone will start today to put that together.. they will have learnt from watching your mistakes, so you'd likely have 6 months before they are ready to start something and take that market that you created.

    24. Bannister
      Superbacker
      on

      Yet, Given the speed of your losses, I've done the math, I doubt you'll hit 100k by the 24 hour cancel cut off, several backers who don't know this rule will try via KS email and you'll still likely lose another 25k behind the scenes, Those of us, many superbackers who research how to do a successful KS, have reached out to you, because we want to see this game made, have asked you, please, please cancel it yourselves as a show of good faith, show us that you actually care about this project long term, that will gain some trust back that you are not scammers, that you will step back, write up your rules, your 'copy' for the campaign, set far more realistic goals, stretch goals, work out your costings and be open about these, If you need help for any of this, Ask any one of us Superbackers, send out a survey, like myself I'm sure a few people would volunteer to help you redo your campaign to prove you're legit.

    25. Bannister
      Superbacker
      on

      Lets say, that all you say is true, You guys were just so overwhealmed from this whole thing that kickstarter does to you (I get that, I have tried myself to put together a campaign, but its not easy by yourself)

      Can you please see that running the Kickstarter is only the 1st step in a large chain of steps you must get through to get to delivery. This isn't the hardest one, This isn't the cheapest one.

      You have lost 50% of your backing from 2 weeks ago, You can't possibly fund your stretch goals.

      You have *lost* a lot of trust, If you go ahead, forge through, to gain back that trust you'll need to pull of a miracle, I'm serious, a miracle. You'd need perfect timing, 100% effort for years, to get this product into the hands of those who still back you, and better than on-time. Earlier than promised. You'll make 0 profit, probably go into debt like many KSs, as much as you've gained I'd wager, just to gain back the trust,

      IF you did that, IF, then maybe you'd get your company off the group, and a 2nd printing might get you back half a mil from all of us that hoped your product was going to be real.

    26. Isaac Alexander
      Superbacker
      on

      If what you say is the truth, why did it take you days to say it? I don't hesitate when I defend myself, and i don't wait to think up pretty words when the moment calls for action. Here i am, writing the honest truth as fast as i can type.

      You passed off someone else's work as your own: that is fraud. If you want to demonstrate your integrity, cancel this campaign and come back when you have your own rules to show us. If you let this mess of a campaign reach the fund date, you will prove to us that you are more interested in money than honour.

    27. Balloongineer
      Superbacker
      on

      Also, Valen only joined KS recently and this is the only project he backed, and is the only one speaking in favor of Foxtales despite all the proof of plagiarism... so draw your own conclusions.

    28. Balloongineer
      Superbacker
      on

      One of their team messaged me on Facebook, and it appears he does not see anything wrong with what they are doing:

      https://www.dropbox.com/home/Foxtales%20facebook

    29. Missing avatar

      Rick H
      Superbacker
      on

      I had originally backed this game with a wait and see approach for more material. After the rule book came out and that whole debacle, I decided to no longer back it for a variety of reasons.

      If there was no rule book created and ready to be distributed to the backers of this campaign, how much of the game was actually tested and ready for production? This could cause huge delays that would definitely be pushing it out to a year or so late. Now there could have been "soft" rules written down and used during some playthroughs obviously, but if there are no solid rules that were ready to release immediately at campaign launch, that is a big concern to me.

      The other issue is obviously the plagiarism and that whole mess. I hope that a cancel and a re-launch to address these issues would be coming to build back some of that trust with the community at large. It seems like a cool game, but the issues and concerns are too big to ignore at this time. If there is a re-launch and the issues have been corrected, then I will look into it again and see what it has become at that point.

    30. Missing avatar

      Valen on

      Much gratitude for the update. Please do not allow the voice of a few to dismantle the work and time you have spent on this project. I look forward to learning and reading more about Drish Barahir

    31. Tom on

      ****WARNING****
      HIGH RISK PROJECT
      This Kickstarter project is considered likely to be a scam. Backers are advised to reconsider their pledges and cancel their pledges. Check comments section for details.

      Media links:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/

      How to cancel your pledge
      1. Click the 'Manage your pledge' button in BLUE or GREEN at top right of your page
      2. Click 'Cancel pledge' which is in faded text to the left of 'Change your pledge' in BLUE
      3. Click 'Cancel pledge' in BLUE, you can leave a reason if you wish but do not have to.

      You MUST cancel before the last 24 hours or your pledge is locked in, if you have any pledge of any amount Kickstarter will forward details of personal data, some financial and email contacts, which might be sold on to scammers.

    32. Jim Saxon
      Superbacker
      on

      Another link regarding the controversy over this game:
      https://twooffthetop.com/2018/07/16/overturn-rising-sands-controversy/

    33. Adam Dodge
      Superbacker
      on

      I thought Arafat was part of the team, not a “freelancer”

    34. Jim Saxon
      Superbacker
      on

      @ Overturn Mgt: Who's the freelancer that did all this without your knowledge or oversight?

    35. Missing avatar

      Keith Brandon on

      It takes someone brave to admit a mistake so well done for releasing this statement. This project will be a success down to your determination and drive :)

    36. Missing avatar

      Adriana
      Superbacker
      on

      I am reposting this message:
      FOR BACKERS AND EXISTING ONES, this project has a tons of red flags:
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/

      Their pledge manager also pulled support from them.

    37. Missing avatar

      Dave's Butt Dial on

      This is rich. They go silent for two days then come in with a BS "it was a freelancer" exccuse.

    38. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      Keep reposing this near the top message:
      FOR NEW BACKERS AND EXISTING ONES:
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/

    39. Balloongineer
      Superbacker
      on

      I am pulling my $1 pledge. Was staying in to warn everyone, but now I am done.

      This kickstarter is a sham, if not an outright scam. Take your money elsewhere, and don't give it to rude, plagiarizing criminals.

    40. Balloongineer
      Superbacker
      on

      Me to foxtales via facebook: "[links to allegations and proof of plagiarisms, called them out]"

      Foxtales: "Hi [my name], thanks a lot for the effort. Really appreciate you taking time to get through this"

      Me: "That was a non-response. You didn't reply to anything I wrote."

      Foxtales: "You didn't ask a question dear, just showed your comparative analysis."

      Not only are they rude AF, and have been to every backer they have replied to so far, they also tried throwing their English translator under the bus... who, if he is the same guy that has been posting to the comments already, has already called them out days ago and stopped working with them.

      Their pledge manager also pulled support from them. This isn't just about a plagiarized rulebook. There are tons of other red flags. It's like a sea of red flags.

    41. Francois Therrien on

      We don't need excuses. We need you to cancel this project. I'm canceling my 1$ pledge :P

    42. PK Levine
      Superbacker
      on

      You guys didn't JUST plagiarize your rulebook. You cut-and-pasted almost everything about this campaign AND about your company. This link sums it up better than I ever could, with side-by-side comparisons for proof:

      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/

    43. Robert Vicars on

      This project just needs to be canceled!

    44. Missing avatar

      Adrian Coombs-Hoar
      Superbacker
      on

      There are so many problems with this project and your latest update that I'm astonished people are still willing to give you their money.
      I think it's insulting to state some of the issues were down to language problems as I know from personal experience that most Pakistani people have English as a second language. Your statement about a 'Free Lancer' causing the problems is made all the more ludicrous as it contradicts your earlier comments about you guys designing the rule book ect.
      I'm all for helping out the small into companies and have taken financial risks on KS in the past to do so but in your case I'm taking my money and running while I still can!

    45. Neil Amswych on

      So, now release the beta rules. After all, you wouldn’t want a game to fund that didn’t have any rules, would you?

    46. Paul (my wallet hates KS) on

      So

      After you got the editor, did you not look and go "wow you didn't use a single of the things we actually wrote and replaced it with entirely different rules ".

      This makes no sense

    47. Justin Boehm
      Superbacker
      on

      While it's appreciated to get a response, if you are truly sorry for the things that have happened here up to this point, the ONLY OPTION is to cancel the campaign, clean it up, and launch again in a few months with full details, fully translated Rulebook, multiple prototypes, and multiple third party playthrough/reviews using those prototypes and rules.

    48. Missing avatar

      John B
      Superbacker
      on

      Deception about who you are, where you are, is not just a contractor error. Although, even with your apology and acceptance of theft of the rules, which counts for a lot, this isn't a way to do business. Funding a project is just the start of the hard work. How many more errors will backers face when you have to contract with actual rules writing, editing, production, approvals, proofs, samples, manufacturing, shipping, logistics, customs, taxes, customer service, support, and so forth?
      Too many points of failure.
      Realizing that backers for a board game project might want to see a rule book only midway through your funding campaign indicates you are not ready, nor have you reached a business maturity to run this project. Not yet anyway.
      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    49. Prime All
      Superbacker
      on

      Keep reposing this:
      FOR NEW BACKERS AND EXISTING ONES:
      http://atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickstarter-caught-plagiarising-still-track-funded/

      Kickstarter heroes!!
      @Paul Toderas- full respect ,
      @Impact! Miniatures- Total agreement.

    50. Impact! Miniatures on

      @Prime All ... even if the project funds ... KickStarter holds the money for two weeks so they can refund it all to the backers if they think anything has gone wrong. So we still have 15 days before they receive the money for KickStarter to get their act together and kill the project.

      As a side note ... even copying their logo from another company ... with everything copied ... it makes it almost impossible to believe that there is a Beta rulebook with a game worth staying a backer to receive.

      Even with the update ... the red flags are numerous and massive ... do not back this KickStarter ... if you are backer ... cancel before the project gets to the 24 hour point.