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I thought this was a Devo doco not a Sex Pistols 'Swindle' doco
Product or money back please
some information, please
Here's an interview from late 2012 (near the bottom). Seems like the tension was already there that far back. It would be nice if the very professional producer and filmmaker would weigh in on the matter...
Its been so long I almost forgot I'd foolishly gotten involved in the first place. I'm sure there is zero possibility of it ever happening, but I'd really like a refund..... which will of course be handled professionally like all everyone else's questions / concerning, ignored.
Bye bye hard earned.....
They've apparently already blamed Mark Mothersbaugh for the delay, but don't have the huevos to tell any of us that this is a matter of fact or why.
I posted this comment on the last update, and will repost here to let it be more widely visible:
Mr. Pemberton and Ms. Friedman:
And the February update is . . .?
Please process a refund of my contribution, thank you.
Hello. Still hoping this will happen. It is the oldest Kickstarter of the 90 projects that I've successfully backed that hasn't delivered yet.
I've been slightly vocal too, even though I didn't put in a great deal of money. I'm disappointed for the same reason, they totally disregarded the whole point of kickstarter. We paid money because we many people WANT to be in on the loop. I enjoy hearing all aspects of the documentary process especially because I have a RTF degree. Many of us practically begged for updates. How much time would it take to write one? 10 mins? 30 mins? You took our money. You to a significant amount of money. You ignored questions. You ignored requests for updates. You couldn't be bothered to give us the nitty gritty of the process. You couldn't be bothered to do anything except take our money. Is the band (or Mark) holding up the process? Is someone else? Nobody is mad because it's delayed as so much as you're not honest. You're not on the level with people who supported you. You don't deserve what you've been given. If the documentary shows the level of care about the subject as it does about the contributers, it's probably awful anyway. So take that to the bank (along with all our money).
The SxSW 2015 Line-Up was announced earlier in the month: http://sxsw.com/film/screenings/2015-lineup
As could be guessed, Are We Not Men? The Devo Documentary was not on the list. The reason I've been posting these links is a demonstration that there have been multiple opportunities to post updates to the project that would have kept us, the pledgers, informed. None of those opportunities were used.
Now, I have probably been the most vocal person here when it comes to the level of feedback we have received. I understand that as creators you don't want negative press, and so Tony and crew have chosen to remain silent rather than post an update that essentially puts their plans on hold.
This seems to be the main reason the project is late. They seem to have a very inflexible plan for release. They want the documentary to have as wide an audience as it can for maximum impact. This means making the circuit of film festivals. The problem with this approach is that the festivals only happen once a year, and not getting into them means waiting a whole other year before the established plan can be tried again. A whole other year with no updates.
Maybe what Tony hinted at February 5th is the producers finally agreeing they can't meet the debut plan they have set for themselves and have restructured their release tactics. Maybe a cable network has shown interest in airing it? That would be a hopeful turn of events. While I found that heartening when Tony first posted a possible change in the near future, I am now forced resign myself that since February is now over (or will be in about five minutes as of writing this) and there is no new information, that the new plans have fallen through.
I keep coming back to Devo's song "Enough Said" from New Traditionalists:
None of you would help me when I baked my bread.
Now all of you would help me eat it.
I can see that you are very well fed.
This indicates that you don't need it.
We helped bake this bread. We're not even asking to be allowed to eat it. We don't even know if it's done yet. Bread eventually goes stale, and the longer we wait, the less likelihood there is that we'll see anything.
Cutting through the mental grease and grime,
William James Cuffe
Why isn't Kickstarter getting involved? Is it too late to withdraw and get my money back? Worst Kickstarter ever!
We hope to announce new updates about our film in the coming month of February, with some positive new twists. Please be patient, it will be worth it. The film is still happening.
—Tony Pemberton & Roberta Friedman
Any update? Even if it's bad news, we deserve to know.
I don't recall if I posted this, but here is a message from the director dated July of last year and my response I sent today. Because this was so long ago, this makes me think there is some serious issues with the bad about the film. Of course, how would we know because they will not tell us anything:
Currently are in negotiations with rights issues, and issues with the band. Hopefully to resolve this by end of the year for Sundance 2015.
Send me your phone number if you would like to further discuss and I will have Roberta Friedman the producer call you.
I appreciate the previous message, but why aren't you giving updates about the doc to the kickstarter supporters? Even when you do give updates, they are vague. I imagine we are adults and can be addressed as such. You really have to be honest with the supporters, even if it means that things are not going well with the project.
some info please
I've started using this project within the company I work for as an example of how NOT to run a project. It has all the elements; unrealistic deadlines, promises made that could never be kept, non-existent communication and a general panicked air of incompetence.
I'm having the feeling there is a problem with the band? Otherwise why wouldn't he give us updates and why wouldn't he post more clips? I'm just guessing at this point because of the lack of communication. I know it is their baby, but what they have done to those who contributed to kickstarter is really not right. The producer and director asked the contributors for help, and in return there should be an openness and frankness about the doc.
This is my first comment here. Like many of you, I am distressed at both the lack of progress on this project (was fully funded in August, 2012) and the lack of communication from the producers (a flurry of optimistic emails last August).
According to the Sundance link provided by William James Cuffe below, Are We Not Men was passed over by Sundance for this year.
I funded this project because I love the band. I know nothing about the production team, and I wonder if Mr. Pemberton either has some severe illness or personal issue, or if this is some sort of a con game. Has anyone been able to get a recent response from Mr. Pemberton?
In August of 2012 the film was 95% complete and needed editing.
January 2014 I got a tweet about a test audience.
A year after the test audience and nothing?!
July 2014 an update to "hang in there."
Six months later "still hanging."
Hi Tony! How are you and what has happened since the last update? //Magnus
Hoping that the new year brings us a release! Have had to go back and watch the The Conplete Truth About De-Evolution a few more times lately!
The Sundance 2015 entrant list was announced on December 3rd: http://www.sundance.org/blogs/news/us-world-and-next-films-announced-for-2015-festival
Wow! I am so excited about this film!!! Just like everyone else, I can't wait for it's release!! Having said that, I sure hope all you other folks take a moment to understand and appreciate how incredibly difficult getting this film done has been. The filmmakers have invested so much time and money to getting the very best DEVO documentary possible to us. The untimely deaths of past member Alan Meyers and current member (at the time of his passing) Bob (Bob 2) Casale created more than a few production delays. Also try to appreciate that because DEVO has continued performing and working on other projects, I'm sure that has also added to the length of time needed to get this film completed. I for one would rather wait how ever long it takes than get a film done just to meet some deadline. My sincere appreciation to the director and producers of this project for their compete dedication to getting it right for all of us who love DEVO. THANK YOU! ❤️ Mad props to you guys!!
I sent a note to the Producers on October 9, 2014 with no response yet.
Here it is:
I hope the new year finds you well.
I am looking for any information you may have on the Devo Documentary Film, and the Kickstarter rewards. The last concrete update was right around our conversation in February with a "hang in there" update in July.
In the February update stated that the film was 15 minutes too long for distribution and you expected the film's completion in August 2014. Where does the film stand now and what is your expected completion date?
2) You state above that your goal is Sundance 2015. Did you submit the film to Sundance for their consideration?
3) You state above that your goal is SXSW 2015. Are you still on track to submit the film for consideration? I know the deadline is coming up soon.
4) You state above that you will be sending T-Shirts and other non-movie rewards in advance of the film's completion? If so, is there a scheduled date for the posters, T-shirts and Limited Edition T-shirts?
Thanks in advance,
Is this project dead? Three months no action.
Sundance 2015 Early Deadline Aug 11
Sundance 2015 Official Deadline Aug 29
Sundance 2015 Late Deadline Sep 29
SXSW 2015 Early Deadline Oct 2
SXSW 2015 Official Deadline Oct 30
SXSW 2015 Late Deadline Nov 13
Sundance 2015 Notification of Acceptance: 1st week of Dec
SXSW 2015 Notification of Acceptance: Mid-to-late Jan, no later than Feb 13
Our backer Don Arntz suggested uploading another clip from our film — we thought that was a good idea, so here's a segment about the movie, "Human Highway."
You're funny, William James Cuffe! I'll see you back here next year for our 3rd anniversary--and many more to come I'm sure.
Maybe you could show us another actual clip or cut footage from the documentary?
Happy Second Anniversary, Everyone!
I mean garvy j...
Are you going to interview the new member (Josh)?
Tony ... this fucking great ... I can't wait to see the final film... thumbs up..
I agree take your time. Devo's collaboration is huge in this documentary. Rest in Peace Bob 2.
back in December on update #9, I said:
""too long" is not something I associate with a documentary about one of the best bands ever.
Take your time, get it right.
Fry up some happy spuds."
I stand by this statement.
The original Kickstarter said it was 95% shot and mostly needed to be edited. I am disappointed it is not out, but the producers seem to have missed a prime time to distribute during two tours and Mark getting publicity with the Lego Movie. I was excited when there seemed to be a test audience, but now it seems like it has lost all momentum. I bought one of the packages with the considerable extras, and should have at least received the Booji Boy shirt by now.
No worries. Make the best film.
Personally, I say take your time and do it right! I donated because I wanted to see it made and liked the makers vision. I am in no hurry. Seeing the little bit that has been shown makes me believe it is still going forward, just slowly...and not dropped. Things happen, we all know the risk of kickstarter, and anybody that has attempted to produce something (film or product) knows that there are always time sapping traps and hurdles along the way. That said, lack of communication is the worst thing a maker can do, people are infinitely more patient and willing to abide change and delay than when there is communication even if it is not news the maker wants to, or is embarrassed to deliver.
Video Tribute to Bob Casale & Alan Myers:
Dear Kickstarter folks:
We understand some of you are eager to see our film — we feel the same way, and are working hard to make it happen. We consider you all to be a huge part of our team, and appreciate your support and patience for the project. Independent filmmaking is a slow process, and the director and I are constantly being reminded of this as we move forward (i.e. finding further funding, cutting-down the film from almost 3 hours to a distributable length, and getting "guest" editors to work with us).
The unexpected deaths of both Alan Myers and Bob Casale have further slowed progress, as has the recent concert tour. We'd like to create a tribute to Alan and Bob. Should there be a coda? Should we dedicate the film to them? We're open to your suggestions.
Thanks again for hanging in there with us — you won't be sorry you waited! We’d prefer not to have delays, of course, but the good news is: the extra time has allowed us to improve and expand the film’s content. There are some gems you will love to see!
Here is a special video clip offered to our backers:
Stay tuned as we release more pieces and extras. Bob Casale and Alan Myers will truly be missed and we were fortunate enough to get to know them in the film.
To help Bob Casale's family with expenses related to his death, please check-out this link:
—Roberta & Tony
Orchestrate for the film to come out in the next year..........
This is gone way beyond tiring now. And when another year passes and we are all sat here, a year older and still without anything to show for our hard earned wondering what the hell has happened.
As much as it pains me, I want out now. I want my pledge money returned as there are plenty of things that deserve support that will actually respect the people who funded them in the first place.
Saying that, I know I'll never see my money back. These people don't have the style or class to answer or respond to anyone's concerns.
I emailed both the director and producer about a refund, no response from either. I contacted Devo's contact and he stated he doesn't know much of anything about the project.
Hi! I would like to have an update from Roberta Friedman, the producer of 'Are We Not Men?' Regards Magnus
It seems legal action may be possible.
Due to lack of transparency, updates and what appears to be a reneging on a promise of a digital copy, I respectfully request a refund of my (modest) contribution.
I applaud the call for transparency on this. Vague infrequent posts that neither help the people that funded this know whether or when they will receive what they've paid for is now beyond ridiculous. Hoping that people get to see it at a film festival is an insult to everyone who has patiently sat back expecting to finally hear some concrete news.
If it hadn't been for everyone's love for Devo people would have been demanding refunds ages ago. Can't imagine anyone being in a massive hurry to back your next project whoever it might be anytime soon.
Just let us know what is happening, when you anticipate the good people that have backed you to get what they have actually funded rewards delivered and let's all move on from this rather embarrassing episode.
I think the implication is getting it to the festivals is more important than delivering our digital copy. There really should be more transparency for the people who funded this.
Could we get some clarification as to when backers will be getting digital copies? As Don Arntz said below I assume we'll be getting it when the film is finished, but your last update seemed to imply that we might not get it until after SXSW 2015:
"We want all of our generous donors to get to see the film - to go to the festivals where it will be playing - to basically get what you paid for! At this point, our goal is SUNDANCE and SXSW in 2015."
I paid for a digital copy, not a ticket to see it at a film festival. While I applaud your effort to get the film into festivals, I think I speak for my fellow backers when I gently remind you who actually financed the film. Getting it to us, at least in digital form, should be a top priority.