Funding Suspended Funding for this project was suspended on September 6, 2013.
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      Creator Chris Angelico 7 days ago

      I wonder does anyone else want to pick up this idea and make a real game out of it? The concept itself is a good one. It'd be a lot of fun, I reckon!

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      Creator Paskarl (k0SH) on October 25

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      Creator Goat on September 13, 2013

      Personally, as from today, I can only trust information coming straight from KS. Sam has been twisting the truth too much over the time for me to still have trust in what he says.

      It's always his word against all the contradicting facts.

      He says he doesn't know why KS shut down the campaign, but acknowledges many accounts were created with the same IP as his office. Why would you even be saying that if there no one showing proof of this happening in the first place?

      They know exactly why KS shut them down and not Gridiron. This is their confession even though they tried to make it look like they are the victims once again.

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      Creator Pogopuschel on September 13, 2013

      @Goat:
      as always, thanks for the information. That explains a lot...

      Though, it would have been nice to hear it from the devs themselves.

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      Creator Dean Thrasher on September 12, 2013

      @Bob, Thanks for posting the link to Sam's message. What a mess. I can only imagine what the team there is feeling. I hope VSG finds a way to make the game anyway, despite all the controversy.

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      Creator Goat on September 12, 2013

      Wow, this is completely new to me! I wonder why you did not share this info with us earlier. So basically you knew a great number of accounts were created from your office (despite denying it may times), but you still say it was all an evil plan from someone else to make you look bad?

      I'm speechless. Really.

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      Victory Square Games insists that it did not donate money to its own campaign, but acknowledges that a very high number of newly created Kickstarter accounts with the same IP address as the Victory Square Games office donated money to its campaign.

      “I myself informed Kickstarter and Amazon Payments about the discrepancy in accounts when they were first brought up,” Elementary, My Dear Holmes! representative Sam Chandola told WIRED in an email. “My hope had been that Kickstarter would investigate the matter and cancel any pledges from accounts that were deemed suspicious.”

      Instead, Chandola says, “I got a generic mail from Kickstarter telling us to keep promoting the project. And then a few weeks later, the plug was suddenly pulled.”

      Chandola admits that his company did use its office network to register many friends and family members on Kickstarter so they could donate, and says that he coaxed “a lot of people” in his shared office space, which houses around nine other companies, to sign up as well.

      “Not everybody who shares our Internet connection and IP address is a direct full-time employee of Victory Square Games,” he said. “I cannot imagine the number of accounts coming from our building’s IP to be more than 30 or 40.”

      On Monday, Chandola posted a message about the controversy, saying that the campaign was sabotaged by “vile sorcery” from an antagonistic party, but one that he was unwilling to name.

      “Do I know who tried to make us look like shit and succeeded?” Chandola wrote. “No, I don’t. I wish I did. Do I have my suspicions on whom I think did it? Yes, I do. But they are suspicions. Strong suspicions, but suspicions nonetheless. And I will not make claims based purely on suspicions.”

      http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/09/kickstarter-scandal-ouya/

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      Creator Cerity "Legendary Bottlejak" Silverhawk on September 11, 2013

      Bob, thanks for passing along Sam's message

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      Creator Naz on September 9, 2013

      I stand by my earlier comments, I'd buy the game at retail. Whoever it was who gamed the system and sabotaged this KS campaign will probably never come out - despite all this, Elementary looks like an amazing concept.

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      Creator Pogopuschel on September 9, 2013

      It sucks that kickstarter doesn't comment on this. I really would like to know who is behind it...and why the Gridiron campaign for example is untouched.
      Well at least, KS acted. I did not believe they would care.

      Well and to you guys: Good luck with finishing the game!

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      Creator Paskarl (k0SH) on September 9, 2013

      Nothing new in his statement.
      It still stinks to high heaven.
      Who would sabotage a project in a such time-consuming way??

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      Creator Bob Edwards on September 9, 2013

      Dear backers,

      Sam wanted to send a personal message to you all to talk about our side of the situation. Unfortunately, suspended projects cannot do so. So he has released a statement for our backers on our website.

      http://victorysquaregames.com/elementary-my-dear-holmes

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      Creator Naz on September 7, 2013

      That's exactly what I'm talking about - Kickstarter needs to start being transparent where legally possible, without trust their whole business model of crowd-funding will fall apart. Currently they are making the creators solely responsible, with no commitment to transparency from the platform owners themselves.

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      Creator Cerity "Legendary Bottlejak" Silverhawk on September 7, 2013

      Naz, kickstarter doesn't comment on permanently suspended projects. IP questions pledge time gets paused, i.e. 12 days remaining, but I haven't actually seen it happen on a produced campaign. I have even seen projects get taken off them site months after successful funding. Needless to say datamining on those is difficult for independent verification. How does one guess who would have commented. Or where to get copies of the updates. Sites like kicktraq and kickspy are actually becoming an asset where kickstarter blocks data inquiry.

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      Creator Naz on September 7, 2013

      Kickstarter already has data for all their campaigns, and quite possibly mining kicktraq could reveal some insights into the various behaviours of backers and their relationship to projects. Maybe it's time the Kickstarter team got into analytics to monitor and question projects that go against the curve, and be transparent about the process just to maintain the integrity of the whole crowdfunding process - if the Video Games category simply becomes a venue for AAA producers to hawk their wares and get relatively cheap publicity by gaming the system, then this will impact the many hundreds of "real" indies trying to get funding off the ground.

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      Creator Dean Thrasher on September 7, 2013

      I think Kickstarter still has plenty of work to do. Clearly someone -- or multiple parties -- has figured out how to astroturf the account creation and pledge process. I hope that they fix that problem before too many projects get sabotaged.

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      Creator Goat on September 7, 2013

      @Riggo
      "I am starting to think Kickstarter is in don't care mode"

      Seems like KS proved us wrong. I'm glad they did.

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      Creator Paskarl (k0SH) on September 7, 2013

      Really? Hundreds of face accounts just to get some OUYA money?
      Holy shit!
      I knew why I disliked the OUYA exklusive thing from the beginning!!
      This is the second crowdfunding adventure scandal where the ( some of the ) creators didn't play fair, act fraudulently!!!
      Even if there will be an other crowdfunding approach or investor/ publisher money thing happen, this game is dead for me for all time!!!
      Shame on you!
      You're no Indie Developer at all. You don't have the spirit it takes!

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      Creator Cerity "Legendary Bottlejak" Silverhawk on September 6, 2013

      Pogo, Dean, kickstarter is big blue. Reported and suspended is the first level of attrition.
      The second level is when projects are removed for IP reasoning. Check out Game Salute project "Firefly into the black", presumably rupert murdoch's folks didn't like it. even though joss whedon was burned by Fox twice.
      The most extreme level is to be redacted off the site.

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      Creator Gavin Lambert - Tormented Dreamer on September 6, 2013

      If the private equity falls through, there's no reason why you couldn't do another KS. Just hopefully the suspicious backers don't show up next time.

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      Creator Naz on September 6, 2013

      Suspended. Huh. From "a *lot* of friends and family" to suspicious backers... With real backing from private equity will we see this as a non-exclusive in March?

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      Creator Dean Thrasher on September 6, 2013

      Ah, just got Bob's update. Comments seem to be posting out of order. I'm looking forward to the backer email.

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      Creator Pogopuschel on September 6, 2013

      Sooner than later sounds good :-)
      Will there still be a 6 month exclusivity for OUYA? I hope not :-)

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      Creator Dean Thrasher on September 6, 2013

      Just got the Kickstarter notice about the suspension. I wish I knew more about what's going on.

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      Creator Bob Edwards on September 6, 2013

      Hi folks (This is Sam from Bob's account):

      First of all, a big, big thanks to all our backers who put their trust in us. The response we received for Elementary, My Dear Holmes was tremendous and it touched us all deeply. Who would have thought that a crazy idea that reversed John Watson and Sherlock Holmes in their roles could receive so much love and affection around it! You guys are all awesome.

      When the uproar against Elementary, My Dear Holmes was brought up, we contacted Kickstarter and Amazon, asking them to investigate the accounts and take action accordingly. We wanted to get on top of this and did not want anything to do with any of what was happening as it was an extremely negative campaign for us. Strong personal accusations were going up against us, and it was a huge drain on our time, energy and resources.

      We had been hoping that the suspicious accounts would have been suspended so that we could keep on going strong and without controversy, but instead it was the project that got so. We are, naturally, deeply saddened by this. But if this is what it takes to put an end to the negativity, so be it.

      We love point-and-click adventure games and this will, by no means, stop us from pursuing Elementary, My Dear Holmes. We are devoted towards the project and will be seeking private equity to finish this up. And I'm happy to say that based on the initial traction that we got here, we are already in talks with some Venture Capitalists who are willing to back this project privately. Elementary, My Dear Holmes will see the light of day - and will see the light of day sooner than later.

      I will be following this up with a personal message to all our backers. Until next time, John Watson and Sherlock Holmes lovers.

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      Creator Pogopuschel on September 6, 2013

      Hey, what is the reason for supending the project?
      Did kickstarter tell you? I am sorry it ended this way.
      What are your plans for the future?

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      Creator Aaron on September 6, 2013

      Wow. Well, that was fun while it lasted.

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      Creator Porcupine on September 6, 2013

      Interestingly, Gridiron still seems to be going.

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      Creator Porcupine on September 6, 2013

      Hmmm, that's new...

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      Creator Dean Thrasher on September 6, 2013

      Yikes! I hadn't checked in since EMDH met its funding goal. Only to find... a bit of a mess.

      I don't know what's going on here with the suspicious backers, but I don't actually care. One of two things will happen when the campaign ends: 1) The accounts will get charged, the funds will go to the devs, and it won't matter if the profiles are fakes or not, because Victory Square Games will get to make an awesome game. 2) The accounts will get charged, but the funds won't materialize because they were fakes, and Victory Square Games will get screwed out of money they were hoping to get to make the game.

      I hope #2 doesn't happen, because I want to see this game made. I like the concept, I like the art, I like the team, and I'm willing to take the risk.

      I've just raised my pledge.

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      Creator Riggo on September 5, 2013

      $5k, not $5...

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      Creator Riggo on September 5, 2013

      @Goat... I am starting to think Kickstarter is in don't care mode, no matter how hard Sam pushes the issue. Kickstarter gets their 5% whether the pledges go through or not... If the suspicious pledges all fall through in 8 days, KS will still collect (at this point) $2800... They are not going to break their legs investigating this... Look at Gridiron Thunder... KS is ignoring that big time because they get their $5 from that.

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      Creator Goat on September 5, 2013

      "If those pledges are removed"

      There is no "if", this decision rests entirely in your hands, don't make it look like it's KS that will do it, they won't lift a finger unless you ASK them to cancel these 200+ pledges amounting for $30,000.

      Stop pretending like you are not in control. You are and you don't want to see anything change. But it's logical, I would do the same in your place.

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      Creator Goat on September 5, 2013

      You have been anything but open and transparent. Yes you exchange PM with me, and it stops there. You have been evasive, diverting the attention from the heart of the matter, making promise that you can't keep otherwise you will lose your funding.
      All in all you pretend you want to be open, while at the same time you know you just have to wait 1 more week until it's too late.

      But I don't care about the scam or the fake profiles. I'm bothered by the fact that it's technically possible to do it without KS lifting one finger, so it will happen again, and by you who rather than simply remaining vague or silent like the Gridiron guy, embarked on a spiral of lies in which you are now stuck. Each time you have to invent more crazy excuses and imagine people are naive and stupid enough to believe everything you say.
      That's not very respectful of the KS crowd. I would prefer a silent, cynical Sam who knows exactly what's going on and doesn't need to find excuses about it, assuming the initial decision that was made at the start of this campaign.

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      Creator Goat on September 5, 2013

      "As always, we will continue to be open and transparent about the matter and report any and all discrepancies to amazon/ks"

      What are you going to do since it's been days since they ignore you? (or do they?)

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      Creator Goat on September 5, 2013

      "He was helping his family do the donation and was accidentally logged into their account. "

      Again, that's one of the most convoluted excuse I have ever seen. If I "accidentally" log into someone's else accounts, it doesn't change the screen name at all. Anyway, it's not even forbidden for you Sam to create an alt account for your project, so why even lying about this? This is ridiculous.

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      Creator Goat on September 5, 2013

      "The Samarth Chandola you talk about is from Sam's direct family"

      So Sam's family backed the same other projects as the fake accounts? How kind of them.

      Seriously, stop taking people for idiots. It would be much better if you stopped inventing excuses altogether.

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      Creator Brandon Reed on September 5, 2013

      The family thing makes sense. I've seen several campaigns where the creator accidentally posted on a different account because of login issues. Reaper Miniatures is a good example. That's not to say there aren't other issues here, but that one seems shaky.

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      Creator Sam Chandola (deleted) on September 5, 2013

      I can definitely corroborate on that. We had *a lot* of family and friends support us, including many who were not initially familiar with kickstarter and crowdfunding, but who still wanted to throw their hat in the ring to support us.

      But while it's true that a lot of our family and friends chipped in, I am by no means discounting the allegations brought up here. As always, we will continue to be open and transparent about the matter and report any and all discrepancies to amazon/ks. If those pledges are removed and it brings us below the goal and we don't make it, then so be it and that is fair and square. We did spend money marketing and promoting this project and it will be a very bad hit for us, but we want as little to do with all of this as anyone else.

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      Creator Bob Edwards on September 4, 2013

      He was helping his family do the donation and was accidentally logged into their account. Again, language barrier.

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      Creator Naz on September 4, 2013

      Bob - that last comment seems disingenuous ... it's a shame, this project looks great, but between reading the recent comments here and having to wait until Aug 2014 ... I guess I'll just wait to pick this up at retail.

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      Creator Riggo on September 4, 2013

      Not back their own account, their own project!!! My kingdom for an edit button!

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      Creator Riggo on September 4, 2013

      @Bob... I think the only restraint is that the Creator account can not back their own account. As Serena stated earlier, I don't know that secondary accounts face the same limits.

      It is really impressive that Sam's family knows so much about the game based on the account's only comment:


      Samarth Chandola on Aug 15
      I can answer that, Ocelot. Games that reference drugs, alcohol and tobacco are usually rated 12+, whereas games that focus on them are rated 17+. We have to be a bit mindful of our audience as we do want everyone 12+ to be able to play the game. Having said that, Holmes and his excessive tobacco and cocaine habits are a quintessential part of the Sherlock Holmes universe, and we do want to build upon that and pay homage to it.
      Will the game directly focus on Holmes and his drug use? Probably not. This game is more about John Watson trying his absolute best to best Sherlock Holmes. Will the game have a disgruntled Watson annoyingly muttering about how Sherlock is a bumbling idiot who will die because of his substance abuse, thus clearing the path for Watson for fame and glory? You betcha! ;-)

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      Creator Bob Edwards on September 4, 2013

      We've had a lot of friends and family sign up and donate. The Samarth Chandola you talk about is from Sam's direct family, and they used his name due to a slight language barrier, without realizing that the project leader is unable to back accounts and how it would look. Our friends and family have always been very supportive of our vision, and in some cases almost as enthusiastic as we are!

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      Creator Matthew Martino on September 4, 2013

      @Serena Nelson Thanks thats what I was wondering.

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      Creator Serena Nelson - Hero of the AGRM on September 4, 2013

      Regarding the project creator backing his/her/their own project: Kickstarter doesn't allow it. At all. If you want to put money into it you need to create a new account. This "Samarth Chandola" could very well be a second account of Sam's or it could be someone else entirely pretending to be him.

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      Creator Goat on September 4, 2013

      @Matthew:

      What Riggo said is that the fake accounts started to back other random and rather obscure projects to cover the fact that they were new and made for Holmes.

      And that by some coincidence, a profile named after Sam backed some of the same obscure and random projects.

      So basically it means that said profile can be classified among the long list of suspicious profiles because it had the same behaviour, meaning that either the faker used Sam's name for fun, either that Sam is somehow related to the other accounts.

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      Creator Rembrandt Q. Einstein on September 4, 2013

      Anyway, I hope that this fraud is uncovered and this game is great!! Any word on Benedict Cumberbatch? :)

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      Creator Rembrandt Q. Einstein on September 4, 2013

      Of course a creator can back his own project. But if you click on the creator's profile in the sidebar, he has not backed this project. Are we to believe that a different Samarth Chandola backed this project and also (and only) the other projects which the fraudulent backers also backed? Seems pretty fishy to me..........

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      Creator Matthew Martino on September 4, 2013

      @Rembrandt Q. Einstein Yeah it is pretty fishy especially if you consider that it is his name exactly lol. Nothing close to the creators name at all. That is his name... why are creators not allowed to pledge to there own campaign?

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      Creator Rembrandt Q. Einstein on September 4, 2013

      "Another amazing fact is that there is a backer named Samarth Chandola (seems awfully close to the creator's name) that has backed 3 other questionable projects that the new accounts swarmed to! Hmmm....."

      Wow. Pretty fishy. Considering withdrawing my pledge too......

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