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Oops, my bad. I forgot, Min never updates us on time. Give it to end of month for that delay bomb. Hopefully we can reinstate some punishments from the French revolution this time...
Lol Yes Barry word for word I admit I took a little latitude with my version. Thank you for splitting that hair and holding MY feet to the fire!
Well played....lol
@Chalt2
Nothing about faith. I was simply pointing out that in your previous post you said "...in his October update he did say November 15 we will be updated again". I don't believe Min made any mention of a date for the next update.
Lol Barry
Keep the faith brother, I will certainly be man enough to say I am wrong if shipping starts by the 15th.
My point is that I am erring on the side of history with project and fully expect an update after the 15th on the reasons for the delay.
@Chalt
Really? I thought the last update said if the factory kept to their deadlines they should be ready to ship by the 15th. It didn't say anything about when the next update would be. If I've misread that I'm happy to be corrected.
To be fair, in his October update he did say November 15 we will be updated again. If this project continues to go as it has in the past we will be informed of the reasons behind the latest delay.
Other Kickstarter campaigns post tentative shipping dates, as in:
Pledge numbers 1 - 200 - shipping on so-and-so date
Pledge numbers 200-1000 - shipping on so-and-so date
Can we get a similar update here? I understand 98% of the products are packed and ready to ship.
So almost a month away till it's been a year for backing this project. I still can't wait for my dice but I forgot what color I even ordered and one thing for sure if I don't get my free dice bag I might snap....
I wish Min would prep all the finished ones and just ship them out instead of waiting for the 2% in gold to ship everything out at once. I pledged for 2 of the ones in the campaign picture (no anodize, just plain aluminum with black dots)
@David...
I hope your post was sarcasm, because if you're pleased with the level of communication Min has displayed (little to none, an update always a month later than anything that happens, never responses to comments, questions, or inquiries), I am just shocked.
Thanks for the update today. Love the flow of communication keeping us posted. Anyone an understand delays as long as there is thorough communication happening. I'd rather the time is taken to get it right than a rush to ship any day of the week.
@Forar
That's the key with me, as a professional whiner (some would call me at least).
I get upset only when promises are broken. Right now, I'm mad at Hawk Wargames for priotitizing retail over backers, not because I'm some entitled backer, but because three times they promised ALL backers would have their product before the first retail store did. A different project, Baby Beastiary, sold at a convention before backers started receiving. Not happy about that, but the creator never promised otherwise, so nobody made a stink about it.
What's promised or implied, that's what we hold creators to. And that includes deadlines and times of communication. When someone says "2 weeks", we expect an update in 15 days or less.
@Khell: Yeah, I actually like the use of Early Birds to get an advantage in shipping. I've seen too many projects undercut themselves and then complain later on that they're in the red on some aspect. Same price but an earlier shipping number can catch my interest, sorry to hear that there are campaigns failing to live up to that.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to assume "KIckstarter = Get It Before Retail", which is a nice advantage when we get it, but frustrating to see people whining and yelling about in comments sections for campaigns that made no such promise.
Since Spring, I've been waiting and waiting and in November I'm going to have to move and I still have yet to see my dice! Very disappointing in this company to say the least.
@Forar,
With TMG's Thiefs Guild, Early Bird was a promised first-to-ship. I realize that's not always the case, some times it's discounts, some times it's shipping priority. But in this case it was the latter, and then never followed through on it.
And again, on the us before retail, was a promise on the campaigns mentioned.
Re: Bones, the delays are growing with each project, not shrinking. There is a fundamental failure in Reaper's process if they aren't improving with further experience.
And what you say about communication is spot-on.
Almost every single project I've asked refund on, or backed out before funding close, was driven by poor communication. Like this project, being left in the dark when a project is delayed, that's what turns the milk sour. As of the minute you miss the deadline, communication needs to ramp up to levels beyond what was there during the funding period. Every day late is another failure, which can be forgiven, but not if concerns and issues are unaddressed, comments being shouted into the ether, or private messages unresponded to.
For all Reaper's continual failings, the reason I still back them is they get the communication bit, somewhat. Updates every two weeks once overdue. Not as good at responding to comments (but a damn sight better than these jagoffs).
@Khell: I'm not familiar with all the projects, but some things I'd like to point out in general;
- Early Bird doesn't always mean 'ships first'. Some projects do that, yes, but for some it's just an extra discount to draw in people and get that 'funded omg!' part out of the way.
- Many KS's promise "you guys before retail", but it's not a requirement of the platform. Some companies do indeed promise this and go back on it, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially for gigantic projects with dozens of elements; if it's going to take years (plural), sitting on potential revenue generating parts can be self-defeating. I agree, projects shouldn't make this promise if they aren't going to keep it, but I've seen plenty of people angry over something that was never promised in the first place.
- I wasn't in for Bones 1, but Bones 2 promised shipping in Sept-Dec, and shipped in Feb. I mean, yeah that's a 3-5 month delay for some, but they also intended to take 2-3 months to do it and managed to complete fulfillment in 1, meaning that for a good portion of the backer base with December targets (the earlier months were smaller numbers, using early shipping as a reward to attract backers rather than discounts), they were off more by a matter of weeks. It was still a delay, yes, but just saying 'they're always 6 months late' loses some nuance. Doubly so in that they have maintained solid communication for both of the campaigns I've been in.
Kingdom Death: Monster is a great example of this; massively delayed, huge overrun in costs that the creator ponied up himself (by my understanding, I didn't back that one), but regularly dropped giant novels worth of information on what was going on, how things were progressing, etc.
Spot on with Robotech Tactics though. Screw those guys. ~1/2 delivery in 3.5 years and no light at the end of the tunnel.
But there are also success stories. Dwarven Forge has run 4 campaigns in the multi-million dollar range (give or take a little, especially once one accounts for the pledge manager extra funds) and all 3 that were due thus far delivered on time.
It's a fine balance that not all projects pull off. Delays happen, backers need to be patient and understanding, but creators need to be forthcoming with information. In the end, we contribute to make their dream happen, and part of that journey (bumps and all) is supposed to include being kept up to date. That's a big part of what I find sours campaigns/communities in progress; a failure to communicate, which breeds fear, uncertainty, and anger. Some people are quicker to negativity than others, some never get there at all (Robotech Tactics still has staunch supporters who totally think that as long as they get their stuff sometime in the next decade it's all okay), some just forget or give up. Let's not overlook that in ~3/4 of a year with 4,444 backers we still aren't even close to 2,000 comments. This is a pretty chill place, with maybe a couple dozen regulars who swing by every so often and more who have spoken up once or not at all at some point.
Please note this isn't intended to be an argument against your points so much as another perspective, sharing my experiences with a variety of campaigns.
You know what the crap part is? It's been so GD long since I filled out that survey that I have no idea what color I ordered! Hell! All I know is I picked at least green ones. Ugh... Just get this over with already! 5 conventions I could have used these dice at, plus 4 different store parties that people often bring in cool dice to show off and play with.... And Yet, here we are... Still waiting... Gods, this is like Duke Nukem! Only with Dice!
@Steven, you'd be surprised how bad "established companies" can sh!t the bed.
Tasty Minstrel Games (TMG) kickstarts 100% of their product, and should be no stranger to the process. However, Eminent Domain: Battlecruisers and Exotica had the Exotica half on Amazon before backer shipping began. Think they'd learn their lesson? Nope. Thiefs Market also went full-retail before backers, and they had so little control over their fulfillment center that they couldn't even get estimates on how many shipped or not. Oh, and icing on that cake, Early Bird wasn't honored, they just shipped at random.
Hawk Wargames is in a similar boat. Established company, new to Kickstarter but clearly knowledgeable on how it works. Explicitly promised backers before retail, then went back on that. Also neglected to include the boxes for the two-player starter box. No retail packaging to keep the game in, just crap thrown in a shipping box.
Reaper Miniatures, a company I otherwise want to like, keeps missing their fulfillment windows six+ projects in. What's so crap about that, by now you'd think one person there would have the bright idea of adding six months to the estimate, since they all run at least that late. Big established company here and in meatspace, just can't get it right.
And let us never forget Robotech RPG Tactics. They had it all. A long-standing meatspace company behind the project (Palladium), design work contracted to a popular miniatures company (Ninja Division), and with the blessing and licenses from Harmony Gold. There's enough corporate clout there that nothing should go wrong...
I think Kickstarter can still be viable if you stick with more established companies launching new products.
However, I agree that they are failing in large. I think the only answer is to have a group like the SEC start doing oversight of these crowd funding platforms and forcing them too act more like traditional investment business models. While what you get back may just be a reward and not equity you are still getting to many people treating it like a store, and too little oversight of creators scamming their backers.
@Steven
I've just cut to the chase and started telling people not to bother with Kickstarter as a whole. Until the company behind all this starts putting better controls in place, it's gambling, plain an simple.
I love how they want us to promote these to friends and family. I have been telling EVERYONE in the circles I work and game in to avoid Luma Dice and the company behind them at all cost because the group is completely unprofessional.
Hoo-f'n-ray.
A different project just refunded me. One less disappointment in my life, one less project I have to pester to do the right thing. Now if I could just get my money back for this travesty, I'd be down to only one active disappointment.
..Well, at least one disappointment that pissed me off enough to refund.
Dammit! I really hate being right so often! It just means that I'm gonna be wrong sooner or later! I said Yule! That was back in September! I knew it! Dammit! I'm giving up! Min is more worried about their own backed projects than to let us know about a delay that they freaking knew about weeks ago! As for the coupon?!? I wouldn't tell another person about this product even if they begged me! You want to make us happy? IF you ever do the d20, and IF you ever decide to manufacture it yourselves, and IF there are crazier people than us that back it, IF you put it on Kickstarter, then you SHOULD give Every....Single.... One of the 4,444 backers a free die of their choosing! Hell, lets make it interesting, how about those of us who backed for 3 or more sets get 2! If you knew about these delays, then you should have been notifying us, the BACKERS, of these delays THE MOMENT YOU KNEW ABOUT THEM! Instead of backing other projects with our money!
How does this post lend any more credibility? The only way to regain credibility is to deliver, no more delays or lies. Anything else is just stringing folk along on this train of suck.
Don't care if it's a scam, legit, or something in between. I just want my damn money back. Even if this were the best thing on earth, I don't abide being jerked about like this, nor left in the dark as things go wrong only to be told about them weeks later. This is late, it's beyond reasonable, and I just want a refund.
Thanks for update Min! Count me among the people who thinks this project is legit and we'll have some awesome dice sooner or later. For all the delays, this is nowhere near the most disastrous kickstarter I've backed - there was one board game I picked up that shipped almost three years after projections, and literally had multiple people die in the course of making it. The biggest difference is the creator there let us know about every delay, kept us informed, and generally was great at communicating. Min, I believe in the product, but quicker communications would make a huge difference. As has said below, maybe a end of month update just to tell us "hey, we finished assembly on X% of the dice, things are still on target for mid-november ship date". I'm really excited to see these come to life, and would love to see the KS community get a bit less toxic (as understandable as the frustration is), and some more regular info to us would be a huge step in that direction.
Thanks for the update and discount code... I was wondering how long the discount will be in effect for? Because I'll most likely order a few more, but I first want to see the dice in-hand before I purchase more.
They may not have the dice in hand and are only getting pictures from the factory. It is frustrating but they may not be getting news as quickly from the manufacture either. Just breathe all and chill.
It took 12 weeks and multiple shipments for a deck of cards to be returned to me in an acceptable format when designing a card game. Then it is a shipment....waiting and waiting for it to clear customs....sending specifics back and then waiting and waiting. They may be honestly working on getting the color right but it is a slow and VERY tedious and frustrating process for all of them.
Perhaps it requires a more charitable read, but my take is more "we were told the brass was anodized, on second glance they don't look as good as we'd like, they're getting a bit more work done".
Hopefully this factory won't be the ones they work with for the D20 campaign. We were told 6 weeks ago that assembly would take 2-3 weeks, now we've been told it'll be another 4 weeks. 2-3 ballooning up to 10+ is kind of this campaign in a nutshell; dramatically underestimated time frames.
Saying "they've had monthly updates" is only true in the sense that they had an update in September, and one in October. Taking 6 weeks to tell us that the old 2-3 week estimate wasn't enough certainly doesn't curry any favour.
But we did get an update, so hooray for that. As I noted in the comments, they said that shipping should begin in mid November, and that an address update request will be sent out a week before shipping. Ergo, sometime in the next 3 weeks or so we should be getting that address update.
@Elizabeth but the thing about those brass dice is another. In the previous update Min said that all the dice were ready for the assembly, so i could guess that tere was some quality checking. But in this update Min said that now those 800 dice that were ok became suddenly "not ok" and are being polished again.. So, you were lying? Even this update has some lies min?
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Ältere Kommentare anzeigenKhell
Superbacker
vor rund 22 Stunden
Oops, my bad. I forgot, Min never updates us on time. Give it to end of month for that delay bomb. Hopefully we can reinstate some punishments from the French revolution this time...
Khell
Superbacker
vor rund 23 Stunden
Give it to mid-month when Min drops another delay bomb, and then people will be grabbing pitchforks.
Old Wookiee vor 1 Tag
Nice to see community has calmed down, at least for now; )
Andrea vor 1 Tag
Let's only hope that next update will (not) be in late novemebre and about readonizing a set of dice because they decided to.
Chalt2 vor 2 Tagen
Lol Yes Barry word for word I admit I took a little latitude with my version. Thank you for splitting that hair and holding MY feet to the fire!
Well played....lol
BarryBuc
Superbacker
vor 2 Tagen
@Chalt2
Nothing about faith. I was simply pointing out that in your previous post you said "...in his October update he did say November 15 we will be updated again". I don't believe Min made any mention of a date for the next update.
Chalt2 vor 2 Tagen
Lol Barry
Keep the faith brother, I will certainly be man enough to say I am wrong if shipping starts by the 15th.
My point is that I am erring on the side of history with project and fully expect an update after the 15th on the reasons for the delay.
Benedikt Koenebruch vor 2 Tagen
Perfect! The dice will be nice Christmas presents!!
BarryBuc
Superbacker
vor 2 Tagen
@Chalt
Really? I thought the last update said if the factory kept to their deadlines they should be ready to ship by the 15th. It didn't say anything about when the next update would be. If I've misread that I'm happy to be corrected.
Chalt2 vor 3 Tagen
To be fair, in his October update he did say November 15 we will be updated again. If this project continues to go as it has in the past we will be informed of the reasons behind the latest delay.
Khell
Superbacker
vor 3 Tagen
Eight months, Min.
You really suck at this.
And at communication.
And at probably a lot of things.
Alvin Helms
Superbacker
vor 3 Tagen
I wonder what will happen if we finally get our dice, but there's anything at all *wrong* with them.
Well… no, I don't really need to wonder, do I?
Derek vor 4 Tagen
:(
DARREN
Superbacker
vor 4 Tagen
Sigh
Khell
Superbacker
vor 5 Tagen
Two more days to the end of yet another month. November makes it 8 months past due.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 26
@Dhaval
Good luck getting any date, or even any communication from Min. This project's creator doesn't communicate or even check comments.
Dhaval S. Doshi am October 26
Other Kickstarter campaigns post tentative shipping dates, as in:
Pledge numbers 1 - 200 - shipping on so-and-so date
Pledge numbers 200-1000 - shipping on so-and-so date
Can we get a similar update here? I understand 98% of the products are packed and ready to ship.
Scott Patrie am October 25
Once upon a midnight dreary...
Tim am October 22
@James, they used Backerkit for the surveys. Just log on there (make a login if necessary) and you'll be able to review your original pledge.
James am October 22
So almost a month away till it's been a year for backing this project. I still can't wait for my dice but I forgot what color I even ordered and one thing for sure if I don't get my free dice bag I might snap....
Tim am October 22
I wish Min would prep all the finished ones and just ship them out instead of waiting for the 2% in gold to ship everything out at once. I pledged for 2 of the ones in the campaign picture (no anodize, just plain aluminum with black dots)
Khell
Superbacker
am October 22
@David...
I hope your post was sarcasm, because if you're pleased with the level of communication Min has displayed (little to none, an update always a month later than anything that happens, never responses to comments, questions, or inquiries), I am just shocked.
David Almond am October 21
Thanks for the update today. Love the flow of communication keeping us posted. Anyone an understand delays as long as there is thorough communication happening. I'd rather the time is taken to get it right than a rush to ship any day of the week.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 21
@Forar
That's the key with me, as a professional whiner (some would call me at least).
I get upset only when promises are broken. Right now, I'm mad at Hawk Wargames for priotitizing retail over backers, not because I'm some entitled backer, but because three times they promised ALL backers would have their product before the first retail store did. A different project, Baby Beastiary, sold at a convention before backers started receiving. Not happy about that, but the creator never promised otherwise, so nobody made a stink about it.
What's promised or implied, that's what we hold creators to. And that includes deadlines and times of communication. When someone says "2 weeks", we expect an update in 15 days or less.
Forar am October 21
@Khell: Yeah, I actually like the use of Early Birds to get an advantage in shipping. I've seen too many projects undercut themselves and then complain later on that they're in the red on some aspect. Same price but an earlier shipping number can catch my interest, sorry to hear that there are campaigns failing to live up to that.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to assume "KIckstarter = Get It Before Retail", which is a nice advantage when we get it, but frustrating to see people whining and yelling about in comments sections for campaigns that made no such promise.
Valeria K Kiss am October 20
Since Spring, I've been waiting and waiting and in November I'm going to have to move and I still have yet to see my dice! Very disappointing in this company to say the least.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 20
@Forar,
With TMG's Thiefs Guild, Early Bird was a promised first-to-ship. I realize that's not always the case, some times it's discounts, some times it's shipping priority. But in this case it was the latter, and then never followed through on it.
And again, on the us before retail, was a promise on the campaigns mentioned.
Re: Bones, the delays are growing with each project, not shrinking. There is a fundamental failure in Reaper's process if they aren't improving with further experience.
And what you say about communication is spot-on.
Almost every single project I've asked refund on, or backed out before funding close, was driven by poor communication. Like this project, being left in the dark when a project is delayed, that's what turns the milk sour. As of the minute you miss the deadline, communication needs to ramp up to levels beyond what was there during the funding period. Every day late is another failure, which can be forgiven, but not if concerns and issues are unaddressed, comments being shouted into the ether, or private messages unresponded to.
For all Reaper's continual failings, the reason I still back them is they get the communication bit, somewhat. Updates every two weeks once overdue. Not as good at responding to comments (but a damn sight better than these jagoffs).
Forar am October 20
@Khell: I'm not familiar with all the projects, but some things I'd like to point out in general;
- Early Bird doesn't always mean 'ships first'. Some projects do that, yes, but for some it's just an extra discount to draw in people and get that 'funded omg!' part out of the way.
- Many KS's promise "you guys before retail", but it's not a requirement of the platform. Some companies do indeed promise this and go back on it, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially for gigantic projects with dozens of elements; if it's going to take years (plural), sitting on potential revenue generating parts can be self-defeating. I agree, projects shouldn't make this promise if they aren't going to keep it, but I've seen plenty of people angry over something that was never promised in the first place.
- I wasn't in for Bones 1, but Bones 2 promised shipping in Sept-Dec, and shipped in Feb. I mean, yeah that's a 3-5 month delay for some, but they also intended to take 2-3 months to do it and managed to complete fulfillment in 1, meaning that for a good portion of the backer base with December targets (the earlier months were smaller numbers, using early shipping as a reward to attract backers rather than discounts), they were off more by a matter of weeks. It was still a delay, yes, but just saying 'they're always 6 months late' loses some nuance. Doubly so in that they have maintained solid communication for both of the campaigns I've been in.
Kingdom Death: Monster is a great example of this; massively delayed, huge overrun in costs that the creator ponied up himself (by my understanding, I didn't back that one), but regularly dropped giant novels worth of information on what was going on, how things were progressing, etc.
Spot on with Robotech Tactics though. Screw those guys. ~1/2 delivery in 3.5 years and no light at the end of the tunnel.
But there are also success stories. Dwarven Forge has run 4 campaigns in the multi-million dollar range (give or take a little, especially once one accounts for the pledge manager extra funds) and all 3 that were due thus far delivered on time.
It's a fine balance that not all projects pull off. Delays happen, backers need to be patient and understanding, but creators need to be forthcoming with information. In the end, we contribute to make their dream happen, and part of that journey (bumps and all) is supposed to include being kept up to date. That's a big part of what I find sours campaigns/communities in progress; a failure to communicate, which breeds fear, uncertainty, and anger. Some people are quicker to negativity than others, some never get there at all (Robotech Tactics still has staunch supporters who totally think that as long as they get their stuff sometime in the next decade it's all okay), some just forget or give up. Let's not overlook that in ~3/4 of a year with 4,444 backers we still aren't even close to 2,000 comments. This is a pretty chill place, with maybe a couple dozen regulars who swing by every so often and more who have spoken up once or not at all at some point.
Please note this isn't intended to be an argument against your points so much as another perspective, sharing my experiences with a variety of campaigns.
Padraic am October 20
You know what the crap part is? It's been so GD long since I filled out that survey that I have no idea what color I ordered! Hell! All I know is I picked at least green ones. Ugh... Just get this over with already! 5 conventions I could have used these dice at, plus 4 different store parties that people often bring in cool dice to show off and play with.... And Yet, here we are... Still waiting... Gods, this is like Duke Nukem! Only with Dice!
Khell
Superbacker
am October 20
@Steven, you'd be surprised how bad "established companies" can sh!t the bed.
Tasty Minstrel Games (TMG) kickstarts 100% of their product, and should be no stranger to the process. However, Eminent Domain: Battlecruisers and Exotica had the Exotica half on Amazon before backer shipping began. Think they'd learn their lesson? Nope. Thiefs Market also went full-retail before backers, and they had so little control over their fulfillment center that they couldn't even get estimates on how many shipped or not. Oh, and icing on that cake, Early Bird wasn't honored, they just shipped at random.
Hawk Wargames is in a similar boat. Established company, new to Kickstarter but clearly knowledgeable on how it works. Explicitly promised backers before retail, then went back on that. Also neglected to include the boxes for the two-player starter box. No retail packaging to keep the game in, just crap thrown in a shipping box.
Reaper Miniatures, a company I otherwise want to like, keeps missing their fulfillment windows six+ projects in. What's so crap about that, by now you'd think one person there would have the bright idea of adding six months to the estimate, since they all run at least that late. Big established company here and in meatspace, just can't get it right.
And let us never forget Robotech RPG Tactics. They had it all. A long-standing meatspace company behind the project (Palladium), design work contracted to a popular miniatures company (Ninja Division), and with the blessing and licenses from Harmony Gold. There's enough corporate clout there that nothing should go wrong...
...go look it up.
Steven Stanton am October 19
@Khell
I think Kickstarter can still be viable if you stick with more established companies launching new products.
However, I agree that they are failing in large. I think the only answer is to have a group like the SEC start doing oversight of these crowd funding platforms and forcing them too act more like traditional investment business models. While what you get back may just be a reward and not equity you are still getting to many people treating it like a store, and too little oversight of creators scamming their backers.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 19
@Steven
I've just cut to the chase and started telling people not to bother with Kickstarter as a whole. Until the company behind all this starts putting better controls in place, it's gambling, plain an simple.
Steven Stanton am October 19
I love how they want us to promote these to friends and family. I have been telling EVERYONE in the circles I work and game in to avoid Luma Dice and the company behind them at all cost because the group is completely unprofessional.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 19
Hoo-f'n-ray.
A different project just refunded me. One less disappointment in my life, one less project I have to pester to do the right thing. Now if I could just get my money back for this travesty, I'd be down to only one active disappointment.
..Well, at least one disappointment that pissed me off enough to refund.
Larabic am October 19
Why the hell would i endorse something i don't have yet?
Padraic am October 19
Dammit! I really hate being right so often! It just means that I'm gonna be wrong sooner or later! I said Yule! That was back in September! I knew it! Dammit! I'm giving up! Min is more worried about their own backed projects than to let us know about a delay that they freaking knew about weeks ago! As for the coupon?!? I wouldn't tell another person about this product even if they begged me! You want to make us happy? IF you ever do the d20, and IF you ever decide to manufacture it yourselves, and IF there are crazier people than us that back it, IF you put it on Kickstarter, then you SHOULD give Every....Single.... One of the 4,444 backers a free die of their choosing! Hell, lets make it interesting, how about those of us who backed for 3 or more sets get 2! If you knew about these delays, then you should have been notifying us, the BACKERS, of these delays THE MOMENT YOU KNEW ABOUT THEM! Instead of backing other projects with our money!
Khell
Superbacker
am October 19
Sorry, should have said "this update", not post.
Khell
Superbacker
am October 19
How does this post lend any more credibility? The only way to regain credibility is to deliver, no more delays or lies. Anything else is just stringing folk along on this train of suck.
Daver... !!!(⊙.⊙(☉o☉)⊙.⊙)!!!
Superbacker
am October 19
Min, thank you for the update.
I wish that you would post here more often to lend more credibility to your campaign.
Chalt2 am October 19
+1 Forar
Same old same old, another expectation unfulfilled. Another date set and even Min knows it won't be met and pored it anyway!
Lol
We may yet see something in early 2017, I doubt it will be anything like the set expectations
Khell
Superbacker
am October 19
Don't care if it's a scam, legit, or something in between. I just want my damn money back. Even if this were the best thing on earth, I don't abide being jerked about like this, nor left in the dark as things go wrong only to be told about them weeks later. This is late, it's beyond reasonable, and I just want a refund.
Wil Jordan am October 19
Thanks for update Min! Count me among the people who thinks this project is legit and we'll have some awesome dice sooner or later. For all the delays, this is nowhere near the most disastrous kickstarter I've backed - there was one board game I picked up that shipped almost three years after projections, and literally had multiple people die in the course of making it. The biggest difference is the creator there let us know about every delay, kept us informed, and generally was great at communicating. Min, I believe in the product, but quicker communications would make a huge difference. As has said below, maybe a end of month update just to tell us "hey, we finished assembly on X% of the dice, things are still on target for mid-november ship date". I'm really excited to see these come to life, and would love to see the KS community get a bit less toxic (as understandable as the frustration is), and some more regular info to us would be a huge step in that direction.
Stewart MacLean am October 19
Thanks for the update and discount code... I was wondering how long the discount will be in effect for? Because I'll most likely order a few more, but I first want to see the dice in-hand before I purchase more.
Tim am October 19
@Forar, probably start to ship mid December with delivery to the States just after the holidays.
elizabeth strickland am October 19
They may not have the dice in hand and are only getting pictures from the factory. It is frustrating but they may not be getting news as quickly from the manufacture either. Just breathe all and chill.
It took 12 weeks and multiple shipments for a deck of cards to be returned to me in an acceptable format when designing a card game. Then it is a shipment....waiting and waiting for it to clear customs....sending specifics back and then waiting and waiting. They may be honestly working on getting the color right but it is a slow and VERY tedious and frustrating process for all of them.
Forar am October 19
Perhaps it requires a more charitable read, but my take is more "we were told the brass was anodized, on second glance they don't look as good as we'd like, they're getting a bit more work done".
Hopefully this factory won't be the ones they work with for the D20 campaign. We were told 6 weeks ago that assembly would take 2-3 weeks, now we've been told it'll be another 4 weeks. 2-3 ballooning up to 10+ is kind of this campaign in a nutshell; dramatically underestimated time frames.
Saying "they've had monthly updates" is only true in the sense that they had an update in September, and one in October. Taking 6 weeks to tell us that the old 2-3 week estimate wasn't enough certainly doesn't curry any favour.
But we did get an update, so hooray for that. As I noted in the comments, they said that shipping should begin in mid November, and that an address update request will be sent out a week before shipping. Ergo, sometime in the next 3 weeks or so we should be getting that address update.
Unless things slip again.
Honestly I'm expecting things to slip again.
Andrea am October 19
Also, in upfate 17 the update status was in "assembly" with all the dices manufactured. This update seems that things hasnt moved at all.
Andrea am October 19
@Elizabeth but the thing about those brass dice is another. In the previous update Min said that all the dice were ready for the assembly, so i could guess that tere was some quality checking. But in this update Min said that now those 800 dice that were ok became suddenly "not ok" and are being polished again.. So, you were lying? Even this update has some lies min?
elizabeth strickland am October 19
@láslzó.... they have had monthly updates.
elizabeth strickland am October 19
@scott "Although this will not stop the other ones from shipping. Brass is only 800 of the 23,000 units we are making."