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A board game of cooperative card-driven tactical combat in a persistent, ever-changing campaign world. 1-4 players, 30 min. per player.
A board game of cooperative card-driven tactical combat in a persistent, ever-changing campaign world. 1-4 players, 30 min. per player.
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The polls are in, and the overwhelming majority of you did NOT think this was a great idea

Posted by Isaac Childres (Creator)
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Well, it looks like my proposal tanked

I could wait until tomorrow to give it a full day, but I think it's time we put this dead horse to bed and resumed a state of being totally awesome.

Yeah, so it turns out that a lot of you didn't really like the idea, the vast majority of you were totally ambivalent about it and a very small number of you actually seemed excited about it.

Seriously, it was like I was proposing to give you a sweater at Christmas or something. Nobody wants to be the guy giving out sweaters at Christmas, especially when doing so would end up costing a significant amount in time, money and headaches.

So, just to be clear, the Bandit Commander miniature is not happening. The proposal got shot down big time, and I sincerely apologize to those of you who were excited about it. It was definitely not my intention to shatter your dreams of monster miniatures.

In the end, though, in the face of all that apathy, I realized that the time and energy could certainly be put towards making the game actually better instead of just including a mini that you will only put out on the board once.

It was silly. I'm sorry for leaning over and staring into the abyss, but you all have pulled me back from the edge, and I know now never to go near it again.

I retain my original stance on no exclusives and I would kindly ask that we all move on from this experience and continue knocking out these stretch goals in prime wrecking crew style.

I am over discussions of Kickstarter exclusives. Officially.

Except

You guys still need a decoder ring. I mean, I still really want to thank you in some way for joining me on this adventure. Some way that is sincere and tangible but can't be construed as "exclusive" or "not available at retail," however cosmetic it may be.

There were a lot of really great suggestions of how to just say, "Thanks." A lot of people mentioned something minimal like stickers, but I think I can do better than that. I will include a postcard-sized note in each Kickstarter box with an alternate version of the box cover art along with my most heartfelt proclamations of thanks.

And on the back will be a decoder ring.

No, no, I am totally serious this time. I mean, it won't be a ring, but there will be a written key for decoding a set of mysterious symbols that you may or may not find in some ancient ruin when you sit down to play the game.

I think this reward is so much cooler and more fulfilling than a miniature anyway. I mean, this world is just begging for some ancient lost languages to be included somewhere in the game, and now I can send secret messages to you like we're in an awesome club.

Of course, non-Kickstarter backers will surely be able to find the code once it's released - that's kind of the whole point of it being not exclusive - but they'll feel just a little bit dirty about using it.

And that's how we'll know we're special.

So now that that's done

On to our regularly scheduled Kickstarter! We are so close to that next stretch goal - the town records - so let's bust that down and tomorrow I'll tell you more about Versus Mode!

I'm serious about being over discussion of exclusives, though. You are free to talk among yourselves, of course, but I wouldn't expect me to chime in on the discussion.

Kirk Grentzenberg, Tserofal, and 71 more people like this update.

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    1. Andrew Helton
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      Sweet. Very thematic in game and meta-game both. Cheers!

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      Arne Thomi on

      This is a very classy alternative to a mini that would have been totally out of context (well, not totally but at least it would have felt "pasted on") Immersion for the victory, victory for the immersion! Thank you

    3. Matt Drake
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      What a cool idea. Very clever, and I'm even more excited about this game now.

    4. Alexander Simbürger on

      That's is totally awesome! Really a great idea, I am super excited about this.

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      Nathan Smith on

      Fantastic idea! Super excited about the postcard, especially the decoder ring. Funny that the idea began as an offhand joke...everyone ran with it because it's such a great idea. Anyway, thanks for making this game so awesome, I am truly excited to get my hands on it. Big fan of Forge War here (bought retail). Love the daily posts. I can't wait to see what's coming next!

    6. Jedra7609
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      @ionas - he didn't run a poll, he just polled opinion from the comments.

    7. Ravendas on

      Well, this is a good idea everyone can enjoy, and doesn't require having gotten the kickstarter edition to use it, or cost extra money afterwards, as well as not bumping up the cost of creating the game very much.
      It's win/win.

    8. Spencer Buda on

      I love it. Thanks for being awesome!

    9. Simon on

      Please continue to consider boss and/or monster miniatures. Even if done separately at a later date.

    10. Isaac Childres 4-time creator on

      See? These are the kinds of comments I was expecting from my last post. I'm glad we did the right thing in the end.

    11. Ravendas on

      I love tuckboxes, it's just that they're rather fiddly to make, and most people opening up a box don't want to invest that energy and time into making something like that.

      I really hope someone posts tuckboxes for the starting classes skills, the monster battle cards, and some other stuff though. They really add a bit of nicety to the game.

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      Sarah Ovenall
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      I think this is the right call. I'd much rather you put your time and energy into things that improve the game, and a secret code/cipher could be really fun. It could be like, the cipher is used often enough that retail buyers can figure it out on their own, but Kickstarter backers get the key and don't have to. But we can still choose to do it the hard way if we like solving ciphers.

      I was "meh" on the miniature, but am excited about the cipher!

    13. aron aka jello on

      @Chris Hemmerich - I think ambivalent is appropriate.. we don't *not* want free stuff, but probably not worth the tradeoffs.

      @Ukko Kaarto - Oooo... art laden tuckboxes, now that's an exclusive I could get behind!

    14. Iconography on

      It could be a postcard or note with ancient hieroglyphics or...it could translate into a powerful in-game message or warning when folded into a piece of origami or other shape...

      Just saying. :)

    15. Alex Dingle on

      This is a great idea, really looking forward to this game now!

    16. Shyvax on

      I didnt mind the mini. maybe there will be a way to get some of the bosses as a mini in the future. it always makes the board looks better and more dramatic.

    17. Tyler Martin
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      Wooo. Decoder ring. I'm so looking forward to reading ancient runes without having to take a shower afterwards.

    18. johnvbennett
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      Awesome! So much better then a mini!

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      Falchonon on

      This is totally awesome. Thanks so much for your energy and innovation.

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      Pol Michiels on

      I love it. Just the sort of Kickstarter benefit I like!

    21. Aaron Bedard on

      Proud of you, man. Sometimes you gotta stare into the abyss to remind yourself that it's not where you wanna wind up. Good job.
      Hopefully this will tell you a little something about following your gut with this project. It's going great and there is simply no way you're going to be able to please everyone. Make a game that YOU will love. That YOU will feel proud to have your name attached to and if you're able to do that with even just a smidge of real integrity, then you will have pulled off something rare and worthwhile indeed.

    22. Bitstream on

      Is there a chance to turn the post card with the code into a code wheel like in old adventure games?

      http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/9784/375768-bt3_0087.jpg

    23. Peter Cox on

      Thank god. And let's never hear of this nonsense again

    24. Ukko Kaarto on

      Sounds cool. One suggestion though: Could you make that postcard a bit Bigger and foldable as a deck box? It wouldn't cost much more and it would have a function instead of being a piece of box clutter. Sized for sleeved cards please...

    25. Robert Bowers
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      I think that's an awesome idea! Eff yeah, ciphers!

    26. Benjamin Tieman
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      BOOM! That's what I'm talking about. Beautiful idea. This is why you're awesome Isaac. Now get to writing us secret dirty messages! Or something like that...

    27. Kris Wiggins
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      I'm relatively new to this KS, haven't followed previous updates and comments, but based on this update I'm really glad im here. The designer sounds like a real solid dude, and he's hilarious. I'm glad to be a part of it! This game looks and sounds amazing, I love all the secrets to uncover, etc. This might be my most anticipated KS yet. Thanks for being awesome.

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      NancyNM
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      Great plan!

    29. Paul Gaffney on

      I can live with this.

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      Tom on

      This is MUCH cooler =)

    31. Jon Sharp
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      Good call. And the decoder ring sounds awesome.

      As long as it doesn't tell me to drink my ovaltine.

    32. Duncan A. Doherty
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      I'm going to refrain from commenting on how I feel this played out, since some of what I would say wouldn't be very pleasant at all, and instead focus on the positives:

      HOORAY decoder ring!
      HOORAY hidden lost languages in the game!
      HOORAY town records goal being smashed!
      HOORAY for teasing versus mode in tomorrow's update!
      HOORAY decoder ring! (no seriously, it bore repeating :D)

    33. Isaac Childres 4-time creator on

      Chris, I think you're right about ambivalent. I may have been using that wrong my whole life...

    34. Inustar on

      Totally ok with this. It's a great idea!

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      ChiefofCows
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      Oh well, don't worry Isaac, I'm still excited for the game and I'm sure we all feel the same. I tell you what, personally I don't care about "exclusive"..... I do like the idea of "Deluxe Version" though... but again, I'm just excited for the project.

    36. Ravendas on

      Yay!
      Focus your time on improving the gameplay, that's what we're here for.
      This isn't a kickstarter for a set of minis. This is a kickstarter for a seemingly amazing game.

    37. Bruno V. on

      I giggled too, at "they'll feel just a little bit dirty about using it." I like this idea.

      And hey, don't kick yourself for considering options to please (potential) backers. It shows that you care, and you made the right call after asking for everyone's opinion.

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      Chris Hemmerich
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      I don't think ambivalent is the word you were looking for. Indifferent maybe? Ambivalent means torn between the positive and negative aspects of something - unable to decide. I don't think many backers had trouble deciding how they felt about this. ;)

      P.S. - I love the new idea.

    39. Byron Campbell
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      I like this idea MUCH better. Mini looks cool but does nothing for gameplay, while this enhances the gameplay for us without taking anything away from retail purchasers.

    40. Gem Abed on

      This proposal is elegant ... and TOTALLY BADASS. Love it. I wish there were a way to send you a digital high five.

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      Mike Daneman on

      Good choice on the decoder-ring exclusive. However, is there still any chance of non-exclusive stretch goal or add-on for boss minis. I still think those would be awesome.

    42. Tserofal
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      Truly amazing and EXCELLENT!!! Great "reward" feels like beeing part of the superhero reserve squad back in the early 80s.... Love it!

    43. Benjamin on

      Oh my word... I LOVE that decoder ring idea. I'm giggling with glee right now, no joke!

    44. Anthony B
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      Decoder postcard, sweet!

    45. aron aka jello on

      Huzzah! Glad to hear it, now on to more *content*!