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Kuckstarter can get fucked then untrudtworthy bunch of shits. And as for the cyberith lawyer reading this shame on you for defending low life scum
Thanks mate. At least you fought for what was right. I am official done with all forms of kickstarters.
doesn't stop people taking their own 'action' against this scum...
@Kamal, thanks for your effort and the update!
Result as expected. So Kickstarter over and out. Just kept the account to see this feedback.
@Kamal Thanks for the update, upsetting to hear but not surprising at all. To everyone, I recently played Acan's Call on the Virtualizer and my experience was terrible. First of all the game is supposed to be native to the virtualizer and at times was unresponsive and didn't match my pace at times. Hands down the worst part about my experience was the platform on which you walk on requires you to essentially moon walk/slip walk in order to move, this was making me sick while playing. There's a reason why the other VR treadmills have a bowl shaped platform, even more recently I played on the Omni and was a waaaay better experience! Having played on the virtualizer and then the omni a week later I could definitely tell the difference. Its upsetting that we've all essentially been conned out of our money but I assure everyone the product would only have disappointed us. As the omni is far too expensive to purchase let alone the high shipping costs the Kat walk VR seems to be the best option for price and quality. Can't say I can afford even the kat walk vr at this point but hopefully the costs will reduce if VR treadmills become more popular in the future :D
@Kamal that's terrible. Before this project I didn't believe that there can some firm so easily take money from backers without any responsibility to give backers what's they promise or give them money back.
Anyway I believe that they crash soon because in next mont Katvr will start to deliver their mini device, which is cheaper and probably better (at least for walking and running because they don't have that big ring around you). So chance that you will receive some money is minimal even if you win that case.
Hi everyone, I have some sad news. The sentence of the Court was against me.
The Court says that I should have known that there were only US-companies able to join Kickstarter.
Moreover, the Court says, that I didn't buy the virtualizers, but only pledged for them, so the Cyberith wasn't obligated to delivered it.
I consider making an appeal to the Court of the second instance.
I will not disclose all the details, because Cyberith's solicitor reads these comments and use it against me in the Court.
I absolutely regret to have paid money to a Company that has no plan to deliver our product, nor to give us our money back.
I am sorry guys. We have been cheated by Cyberith.
I actually tried to join. But my bank wasn't able to find the firm to pay them.
@Nadim Alam @Antonio Ochoa Nieto You can't - the time to bring a case has now expired. Should have joined the previous court action...
Yea I also want my money back. They got $1090 of my money too.
These guys have around $1k of mine, how can i prosecute them or get a refund?
Thanks Kamal, fingers crossed that the judge will decide in your favor.
@Kamal Taibi, thanks for the answer.
@Björn, @david loppion, no news from the Court yet.
Hey Kamal anything new about the case? It would be great to hear how the judge decided.
Good point Nadim! But I am afraid you gonna have to prosecute them...
Now when Kat Walk released Mini version they are going down motherfu...
BTW, can someone send out emails how the suit is going - have not heart anything for a bit...
I have not received my reward. Please refund .
"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
I demand a full refund for my pledge amount.
Anything nrw about court?
@LiMiT You paid 1500$ but this time you'll have what you paid for, do not hesitate to give feedback :)
i just ordered the KAT VR mini. :D
Lost all hope in Cyberith after that pathetic statement from Holger.
Ok thank you @Kamal, we will do what we're doing for years... Wait 🙄
I have got a feedback from my solicitor regarding the Court Hearing of April 4th. I did not travel to Austria this time for this second hearing.
The Judge spoke with the CEO of Cyberith.
I can not give any detail as everything has to remain confidential until the final judgement.
It will take a few weeks.
It's still half of the 6500€ cyberith is charging for their virtualizer nowadays
Prices for KatVR mini are in usd
and they say that 1499 is 50% off from final price, so it means that after 18.5 it will be 2998..
Shiping to EU is 300 usd
Price must be payed before delivery and delivery date is early July
And in my country there is 22% VAT, so that means that even if I order now, the final price will be 2194 usd :(
Kat VR mini 1500$ now ans 2500 $ on may....
sure.. last login here on KS: Sep 4 2017
I sent a mail to Cyberith, I got an answer today.
" Dear David,
we are working full steam ahead in order to become able to deliver the Virtualizers to you and the other Kickstarter Backers as soon as possible.
We are aware that the waiting has been very long already and we are sorry for all the unexpected delays. It has not been easy for us too...
Nevertheless, we are fully up for delivering the units and we hope, that we will be able to announce a proper schedule soon.
All the best,
Not THE answer we are waiting.
@Kamal Taibi, Any news?
I realized 10 minutes ago that Cyberith still exists, and they work, I saw it on fb. How can they ignore us like that. Cyberith and kickstarter don't accept their responsabilities. Still disgusted....
Nous news of the court?
Any news? @Kristoffer Pöpperling yes the katvr mini will have a kickstarter soon. They already deliver their last product, so they seem more honnest than Cyberith.
So any news on the Verdict also for the guy who paid for the sixense via the site. How's that going I also did that too. But it's been 4 years now. So not sure if I can even get my money back.
Did you see that?
So, what was the verdict today?
Thanks good to know what they thinking about KS. Good explanation to calm your self down, but worthless. I expect they still hope that the material cost drops so heavilly that they can produce our HW. At one point they could print our Virtualizer. 😂
Ok he is the CEO...
Hi @Tim, excuse me but who is Holger Hager exactly?
But how does je justifies the kickstarter itself? I mean we paid for something, for a physical product, not to allow them a fucking B2B.
I spoke to Holger Hager on the phone. In short, he justifies not delivering to KS backers because that was their consumer product and the one he is selling now is their B2B product. I told him that he re-branded as a formality to rip off the backers backed to be first to receive. He denies this, he says due to the Kickstarter terms and conditions he does not need to deliver by any fixed date or provide a refund, he is pretending that his company is currently selling a completely different product. He is a pathetic low life, who stole money to fund his company and is now blatantly selling the product. Kickstarter also needs to take responsibility for taking part in enabling a system that has stolen an un-unprecedented amount of money from people.
So next Week is the hearing. Good luck to all of you.
@Kamal Taibi - Best wishes for the last hearing ... fingers crossed :)
@procrash, there will be a last court hearing on April 4th. The Judge will make then a decision.
Are there any updates on the case already?
I asked really many attorneys, almost all told me the same...
We could cause a year-long legal battle but in the end we will not get the virtualizer neither the money back....
What else would have been if we had all ordered directly on the homepage?! I think because of the law that Cyberith gave a refund to those people or the product itself!
I bought the Stemsystem 2014 directly from the homepage of sixense and I am currently fighting to get my money back ... I'm just waiting for the answer from sixense before my attorney get active.
But here as a kickstarter backer the chance is very low to do something legal
They already knew why they opened a Kickstarter project for the virtualizer!
Young students who have no plan of a company or finances!
With best regards from Austria!
@kamal taibi. Man I really hope you get everything you have spent back and with interest. Pretty sure the rest of us our fu@k since day one.
I spoke with the judge this morning. My solicitor, Cyberith's solicitor and Holger Hager (CEO) were there as well. We had a translator who has helped us for the communication.
There will be another court hearing on April 4th.
I can not say more for the time being. This lawsuit is still ongoing.
good luck @ Kamal!
Best of luck for tomorrow @Kamal; Greatly admire your persistence and really impressive you're actually going to Austria to meet the judge - I really hope you get justice for all those involved in the legal case. Once all is done and dusted I think we all have the collective responsibility to ensure Tuncay Cakmak and Co never work in the industry (or work full stop, for that matter) again - very easily achieved.
@procrash, Laudrac, the court hearing is scheduled on February 16th.