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@Vlad Kytai/ Arshaluis Akhmedov/ Omenass
If you were telling the truth as you claimed, and therefore have nothing to hide, you should post an update with the list of dropped backers (post-campaign) & the amount each of them had pledged so that we can cross check it with KS. They would then be able to help us investigate and verify whether these backers' IPs are related to you in any way so that we can put this issue to rest. KS will not provide us with the list even if we had asked, so the onus is on you to prove that you're not a scammer and provide us with it.
Kickstarter should take a leaf out of Indiegogo's book to protect its users,
I received mine (approximately around $55) on 23rd of October.
Team Omenass (whom ever they are) and Kickstarter robbed money from the backers in this project. Kickstarer got paid their total fees and reportedly negotiated for a partial refund for the backers of a project Kickstarter reported was funded. They is how muck Kickstarter feels about backer that use their web site. Kickstarter is culpable for the thieves they put on their website, but Kickstarter is find with it as long as they get paid in full, at our cost.
Has anyone actually gotten a partial refund yet?
I concur with the previous posters, you have nothing to show us from day one of the post-funding period and since you enjoy selectively quoting from the T&A, you should know that you have failed to meet any of the obligations (to your backers) as outlined in the T&A too, and as such, you should be refunding us in full and that Kickstarter should do their utmost to assist their defrauded users instead of patting schmuck like you in the back and turning a blind eye. As mentioned by another backer earlier, the total pledged does not tally with the number of backers so that makes this whole project highly suspicious to begin with, and I find it ridiculous that you would consider taking a portion of whatever little that was collected to pay an 'agent' for a FAILED project when you knew damn well any payment to that person should've come out from your own pocket (know your priorities mate! you can't bloody have your cake and eat it too!). And since you claimed that the main reason this project tanked was due to some backers who chose not to honour their pledges, why not do yourself a favour by uploading the list of the KS ids and their dropped pledges so that we can check and confirm with Kickstarter on whether you were telling the truth. Heck, that might even salvage whatever reputation you have left and convince suckers like me to part with close to $100 again for omenass 2.0
Kickstarter will not help backers in our predicament, I strongly urge all backers to file a fraud non-receipt of goods claim with your bank/credit card provider. It’s the only way you may ever have to recoup your losses. If the creators really wanted to give back 60% of our pledges they would’ve done it by now or at the very least advised us they were in the process of doing that, as we’ve given them ample time. All we seem to be getting from them is the old poor us excuse followed by dead silence.
I would also add that Kickstarter no matter how much they say that they are not responsible, are becauce they took money and still report the prodject as "Funded". I got this message from Kickstarter:
Kickstarter Integrity (Kickstarter)
Oct 13, 4:21 PM EDT
Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. We've reviewed the information you've provided and it's helped in our investigation into this project. We took appropriate action with this creator.
Thanks again for your help
I have not seen on the prodject page, or the prodject creator's page that anything has been done and Kickstarter is starting to look like it will not help the backers take legal action.
To expand on what Christian Thielke wrote, paying someone for a rigged (failed) campaign is not making a reasonable effort to complete the project as promised, nor does it assist you to provide a project to your backers. As such, 100% of the funds should be returned to the backers who paid, because no one should be paid for a failed project.
"If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."
You should consider all these points in your next update about refunds. Otherwise there could be a second shitstor from your decent backers, I think....
I agree that this project smells of fraud has been committed on the part of Omenass Team and I am sorely disappointed in my second encounter with Kickstarter. Had I known that Kickstarter seems to not be capable to vet anything that is posted by the project creators and who and where the Creators are from then Kickstarter apparently and the Omenass Team are worthy of notice to US law enforcement for fraudulent activity. If I do not get a total refund I will be demanding information of the Omenass Team to be forwarded to US authorities for investigation of criminal fraud. I urge everyone who does not get a full refund to contact their local Attorney General's office and file a complaint with the BBB about Kickstarter and Omenass Team.
Yeah, ill yake the 60% refund, at least im getting something back
It’s our first project... please, sorry for any inconvenience. We’ll post an update about refunds.
You first pulled the disappearing act on your backers, then you chose to show us disrespect by remaining incommunicado for some time before resurfacing with a less than satisfactory reasoning, and now you expect us to accept a partial refund (a 40% less at that) after all the stunts you've pulled? That's bollocks, mate! In fact, none of your backers should be made to lose a single cent due to your failure to factor these 'unforeseeable events' into your plans, in the first place. You basically planned to fail from the get-go by not having any backup plans to fall back to. You've also failed to communicate with your backers at the earliest signs of trouble and had conveniently chosen to keep mum until the last second, and yet you readily expect us to forego our hard earned money because you messed up? You should at least have the decency to return most of your backers' money, if not all of it including the kickstarter fee as that is the right thing to do considering this project never got off the ground in the first place.
Here's the scam: $21,487 was raised by 150 backers, an average of $143 per backer, but the most expensive pledge was $69. They had a friend or family member make a big pledge to ensure they'd meet the funding goal and collect our money. Of course their accomplice didn't pay, so they can now claim that they never got the $21k. They lied and said they were in California, but of course they are in some other country where we have no recourse.
You were deceptive in your account by stating you were based out of California. You also knew long ago about the "Bad Pledges" and Kickstarter fees. You waited 2 months ... with our money in your account, to notify us of our bad luck with no updates inbetween. Now you say you are looking for investors. I have a difficult time believing any of this. Had this not been funded, nobody would have been out any funds. Who's to say that your friends didn't post bad pledges so you can get the money? Either way, I believe a full refund is in order.
@Omenass Team Here's how to give a refund:
To provide one of your backers with a refund, head to your Backer Report from the Creator Tools menu. Click on the individual backer's name and select "Issue a refund."
I'm also requesting a refund, though I would also be ok with receiving a prototype if that's an option, even if the quality is lower.
Sure, we can refund $3,300. You’ll get back about 60% of your pledge. We’ll ask Kickstarter support how to refund this amount to you.
Not our problem that you guys lost $18,000. As far as I can tell this is indeed a scam. I seriously doubt that these hopeless losers will make any attempt to refund backers. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.
Agree with the refund - you still pocketed $3300 - please refund those of us who did pay.
Ah ...okay guys. That sucks. So the rest of the money gets refunded back to us, right?
I believe this is his FB page;
Can a fellow backer with a FB account, try to reach out to him via the link above?
I rather doubt we are ever going to get any updates or for that matter anything from this campaign. The creator logged in yesterday but did nothing. I’ve now reported this to KS and encourage other backers to do the same.
Come on team, we need updates!
He hasn't responded to my dm too. I'll give the creator the benefit of the doubt and wait until the weekend before I press the panic button. Hopefully he's just busy with production.
In the meantime, for those who are anxious over this and would like to alert the kickstarter team, go to the campaign page, scroll to the bottom and click Report this project to Kickstarter, choose Post-funding Issues and click Report Project.
@Tim I do believe we got scammed, this campaign smelled from the beginning but I was willing to chuck in 30 bucks as it was a great idea, so it was either too big/too hard to finish or it was a scam from the beginning. The longer the silence the more I’m going with the latter...
Why have we gotten zero updates in over a month. And no pledge manger?! What's going on?
What is actually happening with this campaign? It’s October tomorrow, at least in my time zone, and your delivery was October, not that I think a KS will generally deliver on time, but we’ve heard zero from you since before this campaign ended.
Any updates on how the mass production phase is going?
Congratulations on a successful campaign!
Hey El Hassan!
Sorry for the late reply and for misunderstanding.
The Tabletop hand is still near 4,4 lbs, golden one is near 0,1 lbs and the pocket is 0,04 lbs
My mind was confused...Damn those Glendale witches.
Thanks for your question and...
Let the fortune rock your life again
Hey El Hassan!
Sorry for the late reply my friend.
The Tabletop hand is near 4,4 lbs, golden one is 0,25 lbs and the pocket is 0,2 lbs
Thanks for your question and...
Let the fortune rock your life
Very cool idea and can't wait to get mine! Can you please let us know how much do they weigh?
Thanks for your question.
We've kidnapped the "Prophet" ( that's how we call one of our friends) from the wood (the name of the nearby pub) and made the molding while she was unconscious.
We're cruel and ruthless.
Sorry for the late reply.
We had some crazy parties past days =)
Sorry, but the local pick would't be available...
Who is the owner of the hand that was cast?
I live in Marina Del Rey. Will you allow for local pick up so I can save on shipping? If you do, I will upgrade my pledge because of the savings.
Thank you ingenious gents!
Lol l love it
Welcome nice have you here
I am more familiar with Fishman most places...
Nicknames, funny things
Great story=) By the way we called our project OMENASS because while the hand is spinning the Omen of Ass is coming for someone.
It's stupid but funny
The name started because of a bet but l think after about 80 campaigns and 3000 comments more people know by War Wolf than my real name even the family call me Wolfe now lol
Hey War Wolf...)
I wish i could have such a cool name like yours! Sounds very powerful.
Thanks for your words man =)
We love to hear from you.
All of you are awesome!
I just love this what a fantastic idea good luck guys
Thanks for the kind words man...=)
Great video guys...
The tabletop spinner and the pocket one are made of plastic. The golden one is an alloy of brass and zinc.
Thanks for your question,
We're excited to know you'll use Omenass in your gaming experience! Hope the Destiny would be favorable...=)
What are these made of?
I'm backing one of the pocket sizes to keep in my board gaming bag to settle who goes first in games that don't have a first player in the ruleset. I'm excited :-) I think it will add excitement to playing games.
Thanks for your kind words =)