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    1. Francesco Peeters just now

      Hmmmmzzz... Seems that the enthusiasm has subsided now it looks like the campaign will fail... :(

    2. Francesco Peeters 2 days ago

      Also the Z speed of 20-40cc/h seems extremely low? And more importantly (since this is a per-layer projection system and not a laser) what is the effective mm/h?

    3. Francesco Peeters 2 days ago

      What's the effective resolution in X and Y? Z is 5um or more, but the tablet is 'Full HD' resolution which is 1920*1080 (or more), but what's the X/Y resolution in um?

    4. visionsforge Creator 5 days ago

      *Lollipop

    5. visionsforge Creator 5 days ago

      You also have normal USB and HDMI port.
      The OS is android Lollipo 5.1
      Bluetooth is 4.0
      Aluminum Case

    6. visionsforge Creator 5 days ago

      Yes, Forge 1 and a Tablet with those characteristics:13,3″-IPS-Display (33,8 cm) mit Full HD Auflösung
      Octa-Core-Prozessor (8 Kerne) mit schneller 1,3-GHz-Taktung (Rockchip RK3368)
      2GB RAM
      8GB erweiterbarer Speicher
      WLAN mit 2,4 GHz, bis zu 150 Mbit/s schnell
      Aktive Laufzeit bis zu 12 Stunden mit 3,7-V-Akku (10.000 mAh)
      Anschlüsse: Micro-USB, microSD, 3,5-mm-Audioklinke
      Maße: 335 x 216 x 10,5 mm
      Gewicht: 1,8 kg

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      sean casey 5 days ago

      You say for 999 we will get a table.
      Can you give us the specification for the tablet, like OS, memory, storage, USB, HDMI,

    8. visionsforge Creator on January 4

      Hallo Frank, entschuldige die späte Antwort, wir werden in den nächsten tagen Fotos hochladen.

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      Frank Michalski on December 25

      Fabrizio, danke für deine ausführliche Antwort und den Kältetest LOL.
      Das mit dem 2. Resin ist ja otional und hat keine Eile, kann man mal später testen,
      wenn dafür mehr Zeit über ist.
      Frage zu den Farben vom Forge 1. Gesehen habe ich auf Fotos das coole orange, weiß und schwarz. Gibt es von den anderen Farben auch Fotos, ich bin mir immer noch nicht sicher, welche Farben mir gefallen ... (Auf jeden Fall orange und schwarz)

    10. visionsforge Creator on December 25

      Hallo Frank,
      der Vorgang der Pause hat keine Auswirkungen Auf die Isotropie, die Polymerisation der Schicht hat schon stattgefunden und die 20-30 zusätzliche Sekunden um den Vat auszutauschen spielen keine grosse Rolle in Forge 1, weil die architektur geschlossen ist, es sind nur die vorderen Türen offen. Bei Machinen mit einer Acryl Kappe bekommt die Schicht wesentlich mehr Licht, wenn dieser abgenommen wird) und dies könnte die Isotropie des Objektes negitv beeinflussen. Die chemische Bindung wäre dann etwas schwächer,aber sicher noch akzeptabel. (vergleichbar mit FDM Druckern)
      Der Teil deiner Frage des gleichen Vorgangs mit unterschiedlichen Resins kann ich dir nicht Jetzt beantworten, wir haben bisher nur mit einem Harz- Typus gearbeitet und wie oben erwähnt, in diesem Falle, bleibt die Isotropie erhalten.
      Ein Chemiker sollte die Begebenheit eingehend Studieren oder wie im Falle der Temperatur, wir könnten das einfach mal ausprobieren. Und das werden wir bei Gelegenheit tun und werde dir sagen was passiert ist.
      P.S: hab zwei Teile im Gefrierfach (-25 Grad Celsius mehrere Tage liegen lassen und es hat waren keine Veränderungen festzustellen, weder optisch noch Strukturell.

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      Frank Michalski on December 25

      Hallo Fabrizio,
      das sind schöne neue Aussichten. Besonders wenn man dann wie du schon in Aussicht gestellt hast später, direkt aus dem Resin Gebinde das Harz einsaugen kann.
      SLA Print soll über 97% Isotrop sein, würde es bei einer Pause des Druckes oder beim Wechsel zu einem anderen Resin vermutlich so bleiben?

      Laut diesem Artikel:
      https://formlabs.com/blog/isotropy-in-SLA-3D-printing/
      Sind noch nicht ausgehärtete polymere vorhanden, sodass eine weitere chemische Verbindung stattfinden kann ...

    12. visionsforge Creator on December 25

      Visionsforge wishes a merry Christmas to you all!

    13. visionsforge Creator on December 25

      you can print in two colors that way and in future even with different resins characteristics, (some parts of the objects being hard and other flexible. we never tried this option, but it should not be a problem,the only difficulty consisting in the adhesion between the two type of resin and the potential different curing time.it will be easy to tune those resin, so that they stick together and need the same curing time).

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      Frank Michalski on December 24

      Yes, a pause function might be useful. Maybe that's how you could print in two colors!?
      I wish you all a merry christmas,

    15. visionsforge Creator on December 24

      Hi Francesco, there is no swiss vat to pay, because the goods leave Switzerland, but customers will have to pay the importing taxes of their respective lands.
      The EVA Agreement, now efta is composed of Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland.
      The customers living in other countries will have to pay import taxes.

      Dear Francesco, we wish you and all your family and friends a merry Christmas with much love and joy.

    16. Francesco Peeters on December 24

      Oh, and a very merry Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, or just have a great time with friends and family!!!

    17. Francesco Peeters on December 24

      (IOW: Are these taxable or free import under the EVA agreement?)

    18. Francesco Peeters on December 23

      BTW, are these prices in or ex Swiss VAT? (And what about importing these into the EU?)

    19. Francesco Peeters on December 23

      Pause, View, Resume... NICE!!!

    20. visionsforge Creator on December 23

      Yes, i forgot to mention that forge 1 has the lowest electricity consumption maybe of all 3d printers in the world.
      Against FDM printer anyway, their motors are in x and y ALWAYS in movement and the hotend is 180 degrees celsius hot (all that is electricity consumption)
      Forge 1 has only one motor which does not move 99,9999999 percent of the time and when it moves,it is for a fraction of a second)

      But also Compared to other sla and dlp printer the power consumption is less, because of the intrinsic simplicity of Forge 1, since a lot of components needed for printing are in the tablet, not only the display, but also the processors for the z axis coordination with the display.
      The 4duino (the interface with two mini processors) consumes practically nothing...smile
      is really negletcatable.

      Imagine that our transformator mesures only 8 cm by 4,5 cm and it is always cold...smile

      Yesterday you asked about mounting a camera inside for controlling if everything is ok, in my answer i did not mention that you can pause the print process, the display turns black, on the 4duino interface you have a button especially for that: once pushed the platform goes up 5 cm, you look if is everything ok and when you push it again, the platform returns where it was before Pausing

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      Frank Michalski on December 23

      This means that more is produced during laser curing
      thermal energy compared to curing with the tablet?
      Does the Forge 1 also consume less electricity?

    22. Francesco Peeters on December 23

      Thanks!... Not all systems allow you to change the position, so that definitely helps... :)

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      Frank Michalski on December 23

      Hallo Fabrizio,
      Danke für deine ausführliche Darstellung. (Geht doch!)
      Visionsforge bietet hier auf Kickstarter bekanterweise keinen herkömmlichen SLA Drucker an, sondern den "Forge 1".
      Ich wollte mit meinen Kommentar anregen, diese Killer Features oben zu der Beschreibung
      eventuell als Gegenüberstellung zu schreiben. ...

    24. visionsforge Creator on December 23

      Answering to Frank, yes, sla printers have massive disadvantages compared to Forge 1.

      1) The price is 3 to 12 times higher by a smaller build volume.

      2) Total absence of flexibility, the machine you buy cannot be upgraded (when new components come out, and they will, you cannot mount them at all or never so easily as with Forge 1, because Forge1 was
      from the first second,conceived to be future proof. (wikipedia:"Future-proofing is the process of anticipating the future and developing methods of minimizing the effects of shocks and stresses of future events")
      The future events in our case are new, components coming up.
      The flexibility of Forge 1 does not end there: you can just throw in (almost litterally...smile)a new tablet, which promises better print quality.
      You can use different VATs in different formats with different platforms. (we are now working on them)

      3) conventional sla printers using UV light needs to be cooled and the finishing process is more complicated. With Forge 1 you just wash the printed objects with water, thats all.
      UV printed objects can have problems in the sun, because they are sensible to uv light and the resin can continue curing in the sunlight, UV light has more energy than other wavelenghts and can modify the object in an unwanted manner...smile

      P.S: the Dobot M1 support, after the campaign.

    25. visionsforge Creator on December 23

      As Yann from 3DVS correctly says, you can print on average 4, at least 3,max 5 times on the same spot.If you print small objects, you can print on the same spot 4 times and then change place on the platform.The costs for small objects, regarding the film, can drop dawn drastically. (10 cents is realistic for small objects)

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      3DVS on December 23

      Regarding the printing sheet, I think that you can print at different places each time and with the large print surface that could increase quite a lot the lifespan of one sheet.

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      Frank Michalski on December 23

      In my opinion, conventional SLA printers have considerable disadvantages, especially when it comes to finishing with alcohol and subsequent curing using UVA lamps.

      The Forge 1 is different, maybe Fabrizio would like to explain this handling here.

      And yes I know it is annoying, but since you are now on Kickstarter, I would like to remind you of the Dobot M1 support.

    28. Francesco Peeters on December 23

      Thanks... Is 4 prints the max, min or average? $1.50 starting price is quite high if you just have a small print to do...

    29. visionsforge Creator on December 22

      at the moment, it is not possible, because the VAT is not semitransparent, and the positionning of the camera is also a problem, the platform is just some mm smaller than the VAT, it would touch it at some point travelling up.

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      Frank Michalski on December 22

      LOL Fabrizio, i'm looking forward to the result.

    31. visionsforge Creator on December 22

      Hi Frank, 80 shore D objects are very resistant, much more than expected.
      Depending on the geometry of the object they can fall dawn to the floor, without any damage.
      If you 3d printed a tree with a lot of leaves and brunches,this will not be the case...smile
      Sunlight is much less a problem than for 3d printers utilizing UV light for curing the resin;
      Temperatures near zero are not a problem.
      This night we will put some objects in the freezer and tomorrow i will tell you what happened by -25 degrees celsius.

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      Frank Michalski on December 22

      When a print job runs for several hours,
      the printing may already have failed.
      Can we use an IR night vision camera in the printer to monitor the print?
      For example, the Dericam 1080P Full HD Wlan camera.

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      Frank Michalski on December 22

      Hi Fabrizio,
      your resin has a value of 80 ShoreD, what exactly does this mean?
      Can such printed objects fall to the ground without breaking directly?
      Is it susceptible to cold or sunlight?

    34. visionsforge Creator on December 22

      Hi Francesco,thanks again for your support!
      The anti-stick foil will last for 4 prints.
      It will cost around 6 dollars per foil;it makes $ 1.5 per print.
      The rein management is simple to explain:
      You fill the 4 Liters resin-tank, the pipelines lead to the VAT, the sensor mesures the height of the resin,when the minimum height is riched,it activates a pump the transfers the resin from the tank to the VAT.
      At the moment the system of the resin management is at prototype stadium and does not look very nice, we will publish videos, when we have the final version.

    35. Francesco Peeters on December 22

      Also, can you provide more information (and perhaps a demo video) on the resin management/autofil system?

    36. Francesco Peeters on December 22

      How long will the anti-stick foil last?

    37. visionsforge Creator on December 22

      Hi Frank, the lifetime of the VAT depends on how carefully you handle it. Its difficult to break it, but if the resin stickst on the internal walls, becoming hard from the daylight,during the washing process and you remove it with cutting tools,it can be damaged. if the damage is on the upper part of the VAT, it has no relevance, but if the lower part is damaged,the part coming in contact with the anti-stick foil, you should not continue using it.
      First rule: washing the VAT before the resin sticks on it, never use cutting tools if you didn t follow the first rule...smile
      But if a new VAT is needed, it will cost only around 20 dollars.

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      Frank Michalski on December 22

      Hi Fabrizio,
      oh yes practical.
      What is the life expectancy of such a VAT.
      And what does it depend on?

    39. visionsforge Creator on December 21

      Hi Frank,The automatic resin management is always monitoring the resin level in the VAT and it transfers resin from the 4 liters tank into the VAT,when it is required.

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      Frank Michalski on December 21

      What is the secret of Automatic resin management?