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Warrick how did you get your refund? Sadly I pledged for the hardcover and shirts. I have no doubt I’m never getting these at this point.
I ended up getting my money back from Simon and Bryan. It was like pulling teeth. I had to "play dirty" to get my money back.
last update was sept, these people have no intent of finishing this huh
OMG RW! Why are you attacking (stating facts) at Simon and Bryan like that! Have you no heart! They after all, building the next rocket to colonize Saturn and not drawing comics! HOW DARE YOU! I mean, why finish a project that's been paid for years ago when you can draw another comic instead and swindle another bunch of suckers!
So let's get this straight...and its unfortunate the series of events that have unfolded BUT....you raised over 18,000 for a project....took the money and basically spent it on a product that was not delivered....started a new project in the Oz game that was unsuccessful....now you have another project started BEFORE delivering on this project https://www.patreon.com/ajandmagnus which looks to have the same delays, excuses, and issues as this project......I understand you have hit a rough patch in life but a civil lawsuit against this situation would last less than 60 minutes....I would expect some refunds at this point.
thanks for the update!
Has anyone been able to get a refund?
Well it's about time for a class action lawsuit...
Can we get an update please Bryan.
Been waiting do long for this pledge, not even sure I want it anymore. I was excited 4-5 years ago, but now it's just like I threw money to the wind.
I hope this project does come out and I get the hardback and shirt I pledged for, but seeings how they are having financial problems I highly doubt they'll be able to afford pressing everything up for us.
Has it been almost 5 years? I've gotten engaged, married, completed a Master's Degree, done research and published, had a baby in that time, and worked two jobs all through that. Plus I perform and have traveled to perform. Effectively allocating tasks to get done also means maximum leisure time. Excuses only go so far. If you want to get something done, you can.
I understand you need to work to eat and live, but at like a page per month, you should've been able to finish up two standard issues. Sounds more like a time management issue.
I'm probably the only one still here but is there any update at all?
any chance of an update so I can pretend this might still happen
I think you might need the kind of help only Hair Metal can provide:
I'm sorry that you're getting so much animosity.
To be honest, I've backed over 50 projects and of those only 4 are to date massively behind schedule, including yours.
Of those, you are the only creator who has sincerely and consistently provided updates that explain the issues and give somesort of road map for completion.
The other creators all pretty much give a big "fuck you" to their backers and just don't care, disappear, and say nothing or worse dump obvious bullshit on us. The worst was one creator who glibbly babbled about limitations of getting the artist to complete his end but hey, he'll gve us all access to some unreated prose of his...that he hasn't even actually written yet.
At least you haven't disappeared and you're not ditching the project.
Also, while it's not something any of us may like, the harsh reality of Kickstarter is that it is not a guaranted service, in fact Kickstarter explicitly warns Backers in no uncertain terms each time one backs a project, that this is not an actual sale of anything.
I know people don't want to hear this, but frankly that is the reality of Kickstarter. No one has any real right to demand or expect rewards because that has never been how Kickstarter works.
Too many people get confused and start to conflate the rewards with their pledges and think that just because they made a pledge, they are entitled to the reward they expect under no uncertain terms.
In fact, Kickstarter is more like the world of startups, and actually, in many senses that's literally what Kickstarter is from the crowd-sourcing angle.
In startups, all investors should be aware that they might lose their entire investment, but that's the risk they take in making such investments, and no investor has any legal basis for recouping their investment should the starup collapse because hey, that's the nature of startups.
So again, it actually irritates me when people start losing their shit about not receiving rewards or whatever because they're obviously ignoring or don't understand the actual nature of Kickstarter.
If you want to "buy" something, then go somewhere else and then when you don't get what you "bought" you can bitch to the merchant about their failure to. deliver.
No one is "buying" anything on Kickstarter, though lots of members seem to get confused in this respect.
We're just "investing" in project for which all we can hope is to get whatever it is that we hope to get out of it, be that X reward or just knowing the project succeded.
So props to you for keeping the lines of communication open, and I hope you don't let the morons get to you because that's exactly what they are. They're ignorant of Kickstater's core purpose, and worse, in my opinion they're stupid becausee Kickstarter blatantly communicates the limitations of rewards and warns that such should never be expected as certain.
Alright, so Nick has been pretending to be an understanding supporter but apparently felt he needed to lash out today despite our personal, private messages and exchanges where he told us he "understood" our situation. In 2015 we made a whopping $9,100 and as I said in today's update; we live in a garage. We're working HARD to make a living and right now, we have ONE project that's making some money to get by on. I've said over and over we're committed to completing TRQOO and we are, however, we can't do it if we can't live. I know we live in the day where people don't like facts and people love drama but after I responded to Nick privately to discuss his frustration, he chose not to answer and come here to stir up trouble instead. As I said before, I understand the frustration but things like this aren't going to make thing suddenly turn for the better. I can only say we remain committed and I remain optimistic things will change and we'll keep to our promise, that isn't going to change.
LOL We've been had.... They are on to another project....
Still no update and no sign of ever getting anything :-(
Three years now, I feel like I wasted my money...
I just sincerely hope it'll be out. One day. Eventually.
Did the t-shirts ever ship or is there an update on this?
3 months since the last update....
@John D Kennedy, No, we shipped the miniatures as not to risk damaging them in yet another move and as an effort to get something out to backers since the production has taken so long. The remaining physical rewards will ship with the finished book.
Did the plush animals ship?
@ranmadoctor: Yes, one is coming, sorry. Last update I let everyone know we were moving and it's been a case of anything that could have gone wrong did. But we're set back up and working. I'll provide an update soon. Sorry for the delay.
@Ian Bergin: Was not trying to be snarky at all. I was only trying to point out that the feature is built right into Kickstarter.
Can w get an update? Eric
@Brian & Simon, wow - simple question didn't need a snarky response. I get you guys have come under alot of unnecessary & over-the-top hate during this (none of which I support), but being snarky to backers who've been patient & stood by who ask simple questions is not cool. This space says to 'remember to be respectful & considerate' - it's a two way street. Might be worth remembering that & that not all of us who post here are rude ignoramus keyboard warriors behaving like a-holes.
just got my statue/figurines...amazing stuff!
@ Ian Bergin: You send a message through kickstarter. It's what it's set up for. Also replying to emails you get where I contacted you through kickstarter works too.
How do we send you updated address information?
For everyone wondering about surveys, we will collect everyone's updated addresses and info. It's been a long time and we know people have moved. Thank you again for everyone staying positive and remaining patient. It'll be worth the wait!
David Carroll.. seriously? You've gone from wanting this amazing work to not caring just because you've had to wait a couple of years. What difference does it make to you when you get it if it's the same wonderful work that was promised?
The facts are: Mistakes were made and it had to delay.
The result of which was, instead of him rushing it to give impatient people a mediocre product (because apparently they care more about time than quality) he takes his time and it's done when it's done.
I appreciate people getting angry and impatient, but lashing out at a guy who is obviously suffering himself from the stresses of it is helping nobody. He's giving regular updates and showing the work and it looks wonderful.
Couldn't care less how long it takes as long as it's the promising work described in the campaign pitch.
Keep it up!
Hi - I can't remember if you sent out surveys for addresses etc, back around the original deadline, but if you did, will you be sending follow up emails closer to delivery to reconfirm old or get current addresses, as I know that mine has changed. Thanks!
Trying to be respectful and considerate. This is getting ridiculous, I am not happy. I am considering never helping anyone on kickstarter again because of this. I am really upset and feel as if this was a giant mistake, i would rather have my money back then actually get this project.
My comment below was not intended to be harsh, it was the truth about how I flet after reading the update about this project, basically frustrated. I apoligize for it sounding that way. Bryan, if you send me a message on Facebook about my coment, then block me, how exactly am I supposed to reply? That's a bit unprofessional.
I've always responded to email messages as quickly as possible. I'm sorry I've not visited the comments section as I believed the updates showed proof of what I was saying has happened. I can only provide you transparent updates with what's going on. If people want to fabricate intricate stories of what "could be" happening, I can't stop that, people are just going to make stuff up and run with it.
As for suspecting something is up because I ran multiple campaigns? I can explain this very simply. My background is game development and when you run a game development studio you need projects to build your company. The more projects you can run, the bigger you can build your team and the smoother things can run. For example, had we been successful with the Red Queen game, we would have been able to bring in additional artists to work on the game and contribute to the graphic novel (since the graphic novel art was going to be used in the game), This would have been a double win.
I've also explained in an entire update what happened to all of the money that was raised; it went to the rewards. People either didn't read this update or "forgot" about it when saying I'm being secretive about finances. The opposite, I've been as transparent as possible.
Why is the book taking so long? Easy, we had budgeted for more people to work on it. When the rewards came in at higher cost than estimated during the campaign, all of that money went out the window. We're now working on the book and paying out of pocket for additional artists to get this done as quickly as possible.
For me, going a month without an update means things are moving along. I get now some people want to take this as a negative thing and that's ok. We're going to finish this, get it out and be done with it. I know it's taken forever. I can only say it's frustrating to me as well so many times but I seem to be damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I don't make frequent updates, people start making up stories about how we're abandoning the project. If I do update and it's not what people want to hear, I get attacked with name calling and assaults on my character and even people going so far to look up my personal information and posting it online so they can make personal threats at me. All over delays.
The book will get done. I'm providing updates with proof it's being worked on. I can't let what people say anymore bother me because they're so stubborn they want to believe what they think over the facts I provide and there's nothing I can do about that. As I said before, everyone will get what they pledged for and then they can decide what they want about the project.
I can't believe how long this book is taking to get finished. I don't like hearing that another artist will be working on it either, if their art style is different than Simon's. There's nothing I hate more when reading a comic or graphic novel than when artwork suddenly looks different. Three years to finish this is rediculous.
It's not about people being haters, it's the lack of communication. It takes less than a minute to write a few words and just to hear anything is better than silence. Regardless of how over due a project is, as long as the backers are kept in contact with, there wouldn't be a problem. People can be very understanding, but if they are kept in the dark, what are they supposed to think?
Ignore the haters, take all the time you need :) Nobody wants a rushed product and I for one am happy to be part of your experience with understanding the realistic logistical nightmare that this process can be. How else do we learn - can't wait, my wife will be thrilled when she gets her hands on it.
Yeah, I'll take my refund now as well!! Two years to make a book is ridiculous. My daughter doesn't even want it anymore.
this is just ridiculous now, 2 years on and it appears from FB that Bryan has moved on to other projects and this project will never see the light of day. so disappointed I think refunds need to be made and very soon!
It's no wonder he can't find anyone to help him finish this project. Look how terribly it's been managed up until now.
TWO YEARS LATER - and we all have NOTHING. You have $18,000 - and we have NOTHING.
As investors we need communication wih Brian. When he does not respond to investors and the updates he puts dont even make scense and contradict each other, of course people would question if this project is legit and we have the right as investors to ask for a refund if we dont see any progress inside the time he said it would get done.
To the people who are questioning if the project is real... It is. I am Todd Kinsley... The music composer who created the custom soundtrack for the project. I was indeed paid, as Bryan stated in his last update. In fact, I have worked on many projects with Bryan over the years (primarily video games). Regarding this project, I have viewed in-progress versions of the book. They exist. In fact, I've read multiple in-progress rough versions of the complete book, with rough art in place. Each of the versions I received had progressed from the last, including a version that to me appears to be a complete graphic novel, with art, but in black-and-white, because it has not been colored yet. I am definitely not a graphic novel expert, but I do know what a comic book looks like, and the most current version I was sent (several months ago) is a PDF of a complete black-and-white comic book. It does exist, and has been progressing. It is also quite good.
My involvement with the project ended several weeks ago when the soundtrack was completed and released, however I have no reason to believe that work stopped on the book. I have seen Bryan do amazing things in the past with little budget, and I'm quite certain that is what he's doing now. I know he believes in this project 100%, and I'm certain he is doing all he can to complete it as quickly as possible under the circumstances, and up to the artistic standards everyone is expecting. I can understand your frustration with the timeline, as I am a backer too, and I am very much looking forward to the final project. However indie projects, and sometimes even huge multimillion dollar projects, run into snags that push timelines out further than expected. I can tell you that if Bryan has to spend time trying to defend the project, and deal with online personal attacks, that time is being directly subtracted from the time he is spending working on the book. The personal attacks are having the exact opposite effect you want them to have. They only slow progress on the books.
I'm not typically one for online sparring matches, but after reading some of the comments being posted here, I felt I had to step-in and say something in defense of the project and Bryan.