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So, decided to check in on this kickstarter after just leaving for most of the year and surprise surprise the delivery date is going to be missed again, taking this kickstarter into the realms of the "Over a year late" club. I'm almost sorry I bothered backing it. It seems I would have been better off just waiting for the commercial release.
@Ryan It's our logistic partner that sets the tariffs, and we are not making a profit on shipping (if that is what you are implying). Shipping to Sweden is quite expense compared to many other countries.
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It's our logistic partner that sets the tariffs, and we are not making a profit on shipping (if that is what you are implying). Shipping to Sweden is quite expense compared to many other countries.
Have the postage rates changed since the early pledge manager? Note it is open now till December, but the main thing stopping me adding more items before was the postage, has it changed at all? Just adding dice or a tarot deck seemed to really push the postage up, let alone adding a few items.
@helmghast I didn`t get an answer on my pm so I`m sorry to repost the question here but before closing my pledgemenager I would need to know. How come the shipping for the tarotcards is something like 160 kr to sweden? That seems very high compared both to other projects and the core shipping. And a carddeck for 430 kr is expensive. Is a refund possible on the 250 kr for the cards? Good luck on the final strech:)
@Brian Bjerregaard Bergh: We are doing everything to speed the project up, and as mentioned in the latest update we have added resources in some fields to avoid bottlenecks (e.g. Art Director). We are trying to be as communicative as possible, and hence why we are doing the weekly updates (again, the updates do not occur on a set weekday, why it might be that it's more than 7 days between the updates). Happy to hear suggestions for what improvement in communication we can do, besides the weekly updates and the Tracker.
These guys need to speed up now, why don't they communicate more when they really needs to?
its now nearly 2 weeks since the last update - what happened to weekly communication?
@carl - I don't mind the delay as long as they actually stick to this one, although it is worth noting that another backer did predict this
So in the July 31st update you stated the core rulebook would be released in December at the latest. That prediction lasted just over three months before we once again stand with a pushed back release. I find it confusing that the missed deadlines are due to an overwhelming response to the kickstarter. In what way did backer numbers impact translation, editing and art direction?
All in all, I still believe this will be a good RPG once released but Helmgast needs to improve their project management skills before they embark on future projects.
Som det ser ut nu handlar det alltså "bara" om åtminstone 14 månaders försening sen spelet egentligen skulle ha släppts...
Thanks. Looking you just post it on the forum.
When exactly will be published the final chapters on the KDL forum during this week? Already Thursday
i hope that all will be good.....february is ok. My party is waiting for the printed books ;)
@Francesco Shipping of the printed books is now scheduled for February. PDFs will be available in following order: Black Madonna in November, Core Rule Book prior to Christmas, and Taroticum and other tales in January.
@Stephen The Bible Edition will be printed and released with the Core Rule Book.
@francesco nuzzi email suggests early 2018 for print editions
@helmgast what about the Bible edition? Any word on development/delivery of it?
February 2018 is the delivery date for phisics book?
Christmas for core PDF and late january for the other PDF. And for the books?? Next Summer ???
@helmgast isnt chrismus late 2017... its the freking last week before newyear :) I want it under the tree ffs ;)
All jokes aside - if you need to keep it a few weeks to get it all nice and shiny (or as it is Kult, greasy and grimey) take the time
@Francesco Nuzzi: Release is still contemplated for late 2017 as announced in August. Hope no update says anything else, if it does, that's a typo.
ok sorry but i did not read the update. So the book will arrive late 2018?
i have only one question. We will wait after christmas for the book or is possible a delivery BEFORE Christmas? Thank you
@Ronny Hansson: Hi Ronny,
Thank you for supporting us in this KS!
Printing is unfortunately delayed until late this year with expected release in December 2017. Visit the campaign page here at Kickstarter for the latest updates :)
will the timeline hold as it seems like now - so we will have it to X-mas?
The only thing I didn't like about the Oakwood Heights adventure is the horrible layout of some pages, specially 12-13 with the cone paragraphs, the effect was so exaggerated that it was more difficult to read and at the same time ugly.
Page 15 has a typo, contin-ually should be conti-nually
@Kristian Karlsson In our latest update you'll find some samples of layout with text, artwork etc from the Black Madonna. More sneek peeks will follow once we progress more on the Core Rule Book, but a production of this sort is a moving target in the sense that it's not produced or finalised chapter by chapter - layout, text, artwork is affected by work elsewhere.
Are there a few spreads you guys could share, with text and full graphics? So far we haven't really seen anything complete, bits and pieces here and there. I for one would love to see some of the art direction. I am sure you have some stuff that is pretty much ready to go.
I just read some of the released stuff on the forum - and can say that this project is looking very promising. I love the updated mythos chapters! Take your time!
Taroticum will be included in the PDF version, as they said in update 68.
A long time ago I asked for Taroticum as PDF, and in a reply you said you were considering it. Then – nothing. So, what did you decide?
@Sebastian thank you for your answer. I understand, but i have a lot of doubts. Probably when i will receive the final products most of doubts will be solved. For now i m a little bit confused but is not a problem. I wait for the final book
Gosh! Those scenarios are sounding great. I'm eager to read them.
@Francesco Nuzzi: Reading the Player Moves (Last Update) and from my own AW experience I can understand your concerns. But it might work, because the MC makes the decisions what consequences will follow from a move. So when playing Oakwood Heights the players make a move the MC knows the possible outcomes. You have to be more narrow minded than in a classical pbtA game.
thanks for your feedback. I am an old scholl player and i began my experience in 1997 with Kult beyond the veil. I am very glad about this reboot because the old game was, in my opinion, too much difficult and often quiet unplayable. The old school games has a written scenario and the master known the begin and the end of the adventure. In a pbta this is not possible because when a trigger of a move is activeted, the move can completely change the game and his conclusion. Im very glad that KDL is not a survival horror but an athmosphere horror game. I will wait for the final version to have a complete and correct idea. Good Work to you and your staff
I am glad you like the scenario Oakwood Heights. In KULT: Divinity Lost the main idea is for the GM to create a campaign and build it around the player characters. Just the way you seem to have done with the Quick Start Rules.
When it comes to the Quick Play Scenarios we sometimes chose a different approach which is more “traditional” and this is for a number of reasons. First of all, they are supposed to be picked up and be played with not too much time or preparation and with a clear story and goal. Also, when it comes to new game masters or those that are more used to non-PbtA systems we want something that is easy to follow and with a very clear direction.
Oakwood Heights is a straight forward scenario but I tried to shape it so the structure feels like a logical element in the story where the characters move from (crime)scene to (crime)scene. In this case the characters are also strongly connected to the theme of the scenario.
You will find that our Quick Play Scenarios are all very different in nature from each other. (Minor spoilers ahead, so if you are a would-be player of the QPS, skip the rest.) One for example almost entirely revolves around one single dinner scene where the roleplaying and the things you say and the ways you react leads to the conclusion, another is survival horror, a third is focused on action, a fourth is a “haunted house” story where you are trapped in an erotic nightmare with an insane angel.
It has been the idea to create a wide palette of different types of Quick Play Scenarios and that none of them should feel too similar to each other.
The reason Oakwood Heights was the first scenario to be published is because in many ways it is a “classic” Kult scenario and it is also quite beginner friendly.
/Petter Nallo (Writer of Oakwood Heights)
I read the scenario. Ok is very good but i dont understand why is so full of details. In a pbta usually moves changes what happens in game. I understand that Kdl is not a Classic pbta but in my opinion is not necessary a scenario so full of details. The risk is that the character become actor of a written Story and for me the most important thing is character cotribution in the Story development. I played kult three times with quickstart rules but i wrote a very "open" scenario full of blank spaces and the game worked really well
Just a tip for my fellow backers: Check out the KS for Xas Irkalla, it's finishing in a few days. Seems like a really promising dark (very dark) fantasy RPG that'll fit nicely next to my Kult books on the shelf.
Started reading through Oakwood Heights. This is really good, guys.
glad to see these updates. REALLY stark contrast to what we saw before. Keep up the good work!
For the record, I'm not worried - at least not yet. I've been on dysfunctional kickstarter projects before . . . but Kult doesn't seem to be one of them. They had a problem (being understaffed), and they're implementing a plan to solve it.
Helmgast is new, and they're undertaking a big project. A change to the corebook could easily necessitate changes to Black Madonna, Taroticum, and the other adventures. Glitches and delays are to be expected.
Now, if they had pulled an Onyx Path, I'd be upset. But as long as they're upfront with us, and try to fix the problems, I'm more than willing to be patient.
Best wishes on the project, and here's hoping it turns out great
@James Patterson We are using PledgeManager to manage your order, shipping details and other. The system is still open - we will announce when it is closed (which will be closer to delivery, expected in December 2017). You can read more on how to log on to PledgeManager in this update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1037361623/kult-divinity-lost-horror-roleplaying-game-rpg/posts/1677033
Let us know if any further questions.
I haven't been here in a while. Can I get any information on the pledge manager?
@Søren Berthelsen Holm You'll reach the forum through forum.kultdivinitylost.com. You just register a new user there.
In an earlier update made here on Kickstarter you can also read more on the forum and the launch.
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Sory for asking, but where do i find the KDL Forum ?
New update just posted!
@helmgast fair enough thanks for response
@Stephen Mulligan We are preparing an update for all backers, which you will get today or tmr - so it will be weekly as we've said. We are though not committing to a specific weekday for updates. For instance, this weekend the core team is meeting up physically so wanted to catch up with them this afternoon prior to sending out the update, so we can include the latest and greatest! I know we've broken estimates in the past but keeping you updated is something we are highly committed to now - as well as completing a high quality superb game asap of course!
All the best
The KDL team through Paul
I see weekly updates lasted a real long time...
@Kacper and Christopher; Christopher is right, a lot of the material needs to be more or less done before it's worth sending anything to layout. Now with almost all artwork done and a lot of the text translated and edited for Core Rule Book and the Black Madonna, the Art Director can start his work with these products. That's why it was put in pending mode in the Tracker. However, as you've seen with the QuickStart Rules, templates for layout were made before summer, so it's not a blank sheet the AD is starting with now.
We are preparing an update for you, which will e.g. include more details on the layout piece and when more beta material is to be expected. We're also looking into presenting you with more artwork the coming two weeks or so. Main focus for the KDL core team is wrapping up what's outstanding in terms of texts though, that's priority now.
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Pending means they haven't actually gotten significantly (or even slightly) started on that aspect. Usually for layout, this takes a while to get out of Pending due to needing all of the editing, translation, and artwork to be *completed* before it can really progress (it is quite literally putting it together like a puzzle as a Layout on each of the individual pages, including scaling art, font, and margins).