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Cool, I thought I was missing something in the audiophile world. I hope us Lev Audio people get our turntable soon. Long Live Pono. Thanks for clarifying. Siltecky
Sorry for being unclear. I'm just just referring to that balanced Pono setup can't be connected to an unbalanced amplifier.
I wasn't aware of any balanced issues, nor do I think I had any. I think balanced is better than RCA signal boosting, because you may be boosting noise too. What are the balanced issues,
Thanks - I'm aware of the issues with balanced equipment. I will try the "booster" solution.
It is tempting @Rocky Mountain Way. But I already have a Sota, new AR, and a Linn LP12. Don't really have a need. Though one doesn't end up with 3 tables because of need.
That is some serious gear! I bet it sounds great. I upgraded because my Usher Diamond X Speakers require a lot of power and I felt the quiet end was a little flat. Much better with the extra power. Especially vocals & acoustic guitar.
My favourite music was all recorded in a garage somewhere so sound quality is all !
I don't think the Mag Lev will arrive before Christmas but that's OK.
It is really great value - they have really upgraded from the original specs. It's a lot of fun.
Tempted Doug ?
@Siltech glad you got something you liked. Always thought the Pass might be minimal power wise for your Wilson speakers. Not that they wouldn't play together. Just not a match made in heaven.
Hope you get the Mag_Lev soon.
Wrong letter J, sorry.
Forgot, Hi Gerry
Hey Rock @ Doug
I just sold my Pass Labs INT-60. For some reason, never really liked it. My two replacement choices were Gryphon Diablo 300 and Vitus SIA-025 MKII. I decided to go and buy the best Vitus SIA-025 MKII. Now I'm a very happy camper.
Also, hope Mag Lev for Christmas. Siltech
You don't need a Pono interface. Side loading to SD is much easier. Personally I only play albums, but if you want playlists you would need jriver.
Good to see you are still on Pono time.
I have just bought a new amp (Hegel H360) - Audiophiles are never truly happy .
As part of the demo process at the high end store I took the Pono with balanced cables and did the Pono challenge on 30K worth of gear. The Pono was up against wireless spotify and a disbelieving owner.
The Pono grin was strong. It was clearly no contest. Colour vs black and white.
Hey Siltech - MagLev for Christmas ?
Yeah Nah as we say in New Zealand.
Cheers to you all.
is their any software that works with pono my computer died and trying to get pono interface on new computer seems any links i had are dead other than just putting music on the sd card
@Torben Schmidt sorry I accidentally hit enter to soon. The small "booster" would have to be of good quality so as to not hinder the Pono.
@Torben Schmidt, Siltech is correct. Can't use the PonoPlayer in balanced mode if the preamp doesn't have balanced input. I don't know what components you are using?
I will offer a few possible work arounds.
1. If your amp takes balanced inputs you could hook the PonoPlayer directly to it and use
variable out. Not the most convenient way to play music. Might not have more
2. You could hook a small component between the PonoPlayer and preamp to boost the
in single ended mode.
@Siltech - You are right I think - thanks for your assistance. Thanks Doug too.
With your components, no solution. Only way is to replace your pre with XLR inputs. Sorry
@Siltech - I think you are right about this issue. I can hear the same lift in quality - I guess - when I use my headphone balanced compared to unbalanced with the Pono. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility of trying the Pono line out balanced since I don't have a balanced preamp. Any suggestions for a work around? Thanks
Most stereo source components have a 2volts RCA outputs and 4volts balanced outputs. The Pono players line outputs that are restricted by its size and 3.7volts lithium battery. Therefore, the maximum line out capabilities of Pono are 1volt for RCA, and 2volts in balanced mode. This low output may be your dynamics problem. If you switch your connections from RCA to balanced, may solve problem. You can only do this if your preamp section has XLR inputs. This is how mine is connected, and sounds Great. HI Doug
@Siltech & Doug Adams Thanks for your feed-back. I'm using the single ended connection - the stereo mini-plug analog output - for line out. My cable is a cardas about 3ft (1m) long - splitting up into 2 RCA's. I have no problems at all using this cable together with other equipment. I have tried it with several amplifiers low-cost and high-cost using mainly the AUX input. For my headphones I'm using both the single headphone connection and the balanced setup using both Pono output connections - both works fine with cardas and non-cardas. Maybe the input at the amplifier should fulfill a certain specification?
@Torben Schmidt, also forgot to ask if you were using single ended or balanced connection?
@Torben Schmidt, what component are you running the Pono into and how long of a cable are you using?
I use line out with Cardas Parsec XLR balanced cables. The line out is set to balanced in Pono players settings. The sound is very good.
Perhaps your cables aren't good enough. I originally bought Surf Cables online, as suggested on Pono forum. I didn't like them, and returned them for Cardas Parsec XLR balanced cables. Siltech
Has anyone experience with the Pono line out? I feel it rolls off very quickly after the mid tone and that the sound lacks some "body".
Thanks in advance
@Siltech let us know which one you end up with. I like the no negative feedback spec. Enjoy.
Gryphon website say Diablo has
Zero Negative Feedback, which they say means No Negative Feedback.
I've been working on two separate deals on Vitus SIA-25. Obviously, I'll do lower price. That's if I go this way. Take Care.
-LONG LIVE PONO-
@Siltech surprised the Pass uses nf. Hmm. The ones I built don't. It is possible the Gryphon would be a beautiful match with your Wilson speakers. I say go for it.
The Pass Labs, also uses negative feedback. At 20 hertz, output impedance is 0.16 ohms on the Pass Labs. Many people with Vitus SIA-25, are switching to Diablo 300. They say the Diablo sounds better than Vitus SIA-25. The Vitus SIA-25 is incredible, and definitely has better sound and micros than Pass Labs INT-60. To Be Or Not To Be. SILTECH
No idea Siltech. You are probably asking the wrong guy. I have 30 watt per channel Pass. Also built Pass Son of Zenn monoblocks from scratch. They are huge. Each monoblock is 3 ft tall by 2.5 foot deep.
The Gryphon's extra power may really rock with the Wilson's. Not sure how efficient they are. But the Pass have a beautiful purity that may be tough to beat. The Gryphon worry me with the ultra low output impedance of Output Impedance: 0.019 Ohm! Often that means negative feedback. They may get around that using lots of output transistors to lower the impedance. Don't know.
Is there no way to audition it in your system first? I like to hear things before making a move. All of your equipment is so good it is hard to make judgements. Good luck either way.
I'm thinking of replacing my Pass Labs INT-60, with Gryphon Diablo 300. I have everything ready to go. What do you think?
I text the guy and bailed out. I told him it's not worth 4K. Thanks, and take care. Siltech
Know CD can sound good. Just saying if I were spending $5K plus it would have to do more than CD. I have over 200 SACD/DVD-A hi res discs and about 150 hi res downloads.
This is why I went with the Oppo 105. Doesn't sound nearly as good as either of your choices, but it plays all my discs and downloads ( have external hard drive hooked to it). Phase 2 will hook a much better sounding dac to it. I have a lot of CDs.
Doug I forgot to mention. The Vitus has 2 digital inputs ( max 96/24 ). Also, Vitus can be connected directly to amp without pre, if you want. Bryston has no digital inputs, and can only be connected by pre. Still 6 years old. Thanks
Your probably right. I sold my PS Audio P10 regenerator, 10 days ago, because over 6 years old. They have big capacitors, and eventually need replacement. When service is needed, expensive shipping to Colorado, plus service. I sold it at a very good price. My stereo sounds louder without P10, at same volume setting. (Weird) - Still, stereo sounds great without P10.
As for a mechanically driven Vitus SCD-010, which is 6 year old. If it needs service, I have to ship to Denmark. Too risky I suppose. Your right Doug.
I own a lot of CDs. A really good CD player sounds great, and may surprise you. Some of my friends, can't believe the sound I get with CDs. -SYNERGY- Thanks Doug
@Siltech I haven't heard either machine. From Art Dudley's review of the Bryston it seems to be a very good player. My worry about the Bryston would be that it might sound a little mechanical. But Art hates that kind of sound and really liked the Bryston. So I think it plays pretty much what was recorded on the disc.
The Vitus may be prettier sounding. That can get old after a while.
Personally I would keep the Bryston. If I were buying something more expensive it would have to play SACD and DVD-A. Also a 6 year transport, even lightly used is worrisome. Materials can degrade even though they weren't played.
Good luck on which ever you decide.
continued---Vitus new retail was 20K US. What Do You
think Doug? I have to decide this on this weekend. Siltech
Hi Doug. I have the new Bryston BCD-3 dedicated CD player in my stereo setup. I have a opportunity to buy a mint, very little used 2012 Vitus SCD-010 dedicated CD player. Not cheap, but for 20% of the original retail, which is 80% off. Very good deal. Now, do you think it will blow away my Bryston BCD-3? If I buy Vitus and sell Bryston, it'll still cost me $2700 difference. Vitus new retail
Thanks very much Doug.
My wife currently has 9.1GB from Cd's compared with my 100GB so this will help.
@Rocky Mountain Way here is a list of hi res download stores in the world. Not sure how many work for you. I put this together for the Pono For Music Facebook page. Also try using findhdmusic.com to locate which, if any store has the classical piece in hi res.
List of companies selling hi res music downloads. Different stores serve different countries. You must determine which work for your country. Use findhdmusic.com to quickly find what hi res albums are available. FindHD doesn’t monitor every download store. If you strike out with FindHDMusic, search sites manually. This list will be updated when more download retailers are located. Also check the artist’s website. Sometimes they sell their albums in hi res. Sometimes they only sell standard resolution, while other sites sell the album in hi res. The music industry is a strange business. Be persistant. Good luck.
http://www.hdmusicstore.it/it/ the first Italian hi res download store! Yay!
Hope this helps feed the PonoPlayer.
I had forgotten about those specialized classical websites.
Yes I have been to a lot of classical concerts. The best are the intimate string quartets in a small club where the musicians are right in front of you. Live music is always the best.The amusing thing is I often see people I know by association at the classical shows and never at the rock shows!
I'm from New Zealand and access the websites using HOLA VPN on google which makes me appear as being from the US.
Sometimes I get a 'big brother is watching you' alert ( it's also used for illegal streaming ).
You have to behave like a criminal to get Hi Res music!
@Rocky Mountain Way, cool news about your son. That has to be a rewarding job. Playing a musical instrument at that level is such a special accomplishment. Congratulations to you and him.
Not sure which country you reside in? My gut feeling was classical music is better represented than genres like rock. HDTracks seems more aimed at pop/rock music.There are a lot of classical music download stores. I know Bower & Wilkins Society Of Sound offers classical. Most of it is LSO recordings. The London Symphony Orchestra records all their repertoire in hi res SACD. There are other download stores that specialize in classical.
Sometimes I think the record labels intentionally cripple their product so we can't have a perfect archival copy. This gives them the ability to remaster and sell it again and again.
I'm only buying the old original LP's. I don't trust the remasters.Who knows what they were remastered from. Sometimes probably a CD!
The classical market is interesting. My son is a classical cellist ( he did the cello for the movie 6 Days which has just been released- it's a NZ production) and he believes the modern classical musicians have a better interpretation than the old ones.
Most have released in CD only so no vinyl is available and HDTracks only do the very popular so it is nearly impossible to get most new classical releases in Hi Res.
I take your point- why is it that we know all this stuff but the music execs don't seem to have a clue, or don't care beyond the bucks.
@Rocky Mountain Way good to hear your wife has taken up Pono listening. Bet the wait for the Mag➖Lev is just like the Pono Kickstarter wait. Every day hoping to get a shipping conirmation. It will happen. Can't wait to hear about it from you and @Siltech.
We are so lucky to have all the incredible sound equipment these days. Now if the record labels would do their part.
@Siltech and Doug. The MagLev sure can't come soon enough. I've been having a great time finding some real gems of second hand LP's from the early 70's - Little Feat & Leon Russell Live , a Nils Lofgren bootleg - It's been a real journey through the past.
Like the Pono team, the MagLev team are really going the extra mile.
My wife, who was totally uninterested in Pono, now has her own loaded with classical music.
She now has the Pono grin.
@Siltech, I know you can't wait to get the Mag➖Lev. It is so cool looking. Would rather wait a few extra months and get a better product.
Still play the PonoPlayers daily. Have a yellow (orig Kickstarter ) and added a black one later. Never know I might add a 3rd some day.
@Siltech are you on Facebook?
Will probably be a few more months. They decided to upgrade tonearm and cartridge, at no extra cost to us. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this venture. With Kickstarter, who no's. LONG LIVE PONO. Siltech
That is neat @Siltech. Be interesting to see what PS Audio improves upon.
Do you have much longer to wait for the Mag ➖ Lev? Kickstarters tend to run late. It is always exciting when campaigns ship.
Just sold my 6 year old PSAudio P10 regenerator. I got a great price, so couldn't refuse. This unit was 3 years over warranty. PS Audio is coming out with a new model called the P20. I may buy one. Still waiting for my Mag Lev turntable from Kickstarter.
@Siltech all I know reqarding Xstream is Neil has placed his music and other archival things there. Received a follow up email from Brio with home computer network set up help. Imagine this aspect is close to beginning. Other artist are supposed to launch later.
What's going on with Xstream streaming? WAITING STILL.