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Rocky and siltech
i am a poor guy and my stereo is vintage pioneer equipment from 70's and 80's no digital and speakers inside house BSR, Pioneer and AR's and outside home made from Pyle speakers converted landscape rocks like you see in parks driven by about 1000 watts from the days when watts where watts. The outdoor speakers are out in my six acres of forest behind my house.
my prize amp was made by koss in the early days when they were starting their headphone business they only made a few for demo purposes and dont think they ever sold any cant say i have heard anything better.
dont use my reel to reels much anymore as raw tape is to expensive and good stuff hard to find and mostly used them to record live music in clubs
headphone are esp9's and others and earpieces tops are etymotics and i got suckered into getting those ears 1964 that kickstarter had earlier this year Adel u12's quite over rated.
and the pono player mostly sits in the drawer main portable music player is still the PJB100 one of the first mp3 players made by Compaq computer company may not be the hi rez of the pono but the sound i like and that is what matters. not so much what the other guy likes. when you get old you dont hear much anyhow. to many days of playing in the band when younger.
Rocky Mountain Way
I hear what you are saying about your sons friend. but i am thinking your sons friends are young maybe twenty or thirty or younger? and have not listened to good music just the junk released these days
the internet archive is not mine however i know a lot of low quality stuff is out on it. and i looked and could not find any Bowie but personally the only thing he sang that i like was with Bing Crosby that x mass song he sang
so when you look in the archive you will see the way it was recorded example
Grateful Dead Live at Boston Garden on 1994-10-02
here is the link
recorded fromm grateful dead soundboards
Source SBD -> Dat -> Cassette Master -> Dat (48k)
Lineage Dat (Tascam DA-20) -> Tascam DA-3000 -> Samplitude Professional v11.2.1 -> FLAC/
take a listen to crazy fingers on your stereo and let us know what you think.
THEN listen to the same concert here
recorded by guy in audience with a microphone
Source Audience: PMB Microphones
Lineage PMB Mics (FOB) > Sony D7 > Sony PCM-R300 > Monster S/PDIF digital cable > RMEdigi96/8PAD > SoundForge 6.0 (rec, resample) > CD Wave (splits) > shntool > mkwACT > SHN (seekable)
so if you take a few minutes you can find a wide range of quality much i think you will enjoy some not so much.
Siltech try it and see since the pono store wont deliver to you this may help.
Rocky Mountain Way, what you say about cassettes and recording quality is true. However, sometimes it is thrilling to hear those archived performances anyway possible. It is a sonic time capsule. We are lucky to have those records no matter how they sound. All music is worth while.
What if only a portable cassete recording captured when Bob Dylan went electric the first time? Or the first time Dave Brubeck performed Take 5. They would still be transformative.
Bandcamp also has some great up and coming new artists that don't have a record contract yet. They offer flac (at least 16/44.1 some are hi res). Learned this on the PonoMusic site. One of the Pono members has a band called Cody Lee. Bought that from Bandcamp in hi res 24/88 sound. It is a very nice performance with great sound. If you like pop/rock give it a try.
That is what is great about Pono. No proprietary format. We can cherry pick music from anywhere and it plays on the PonoPlayer. If PonoMusic disappeared tomorrow, we would still have full use of the PonoPlayer.
PonoMusic hasn't disappeared and I believe we will be seeing it reappear very soon.
Hey Jerry. Welcome back!
I checked out your website archive.org and was quite frankly underwhelmed. I downloaded a bootleg of David Bowie circa 1974. Think about it - in 1974 it would have been recorded on a portable cassette player with a built in microphone from the back row stalls and it sounded no better than that.
Compared to Pono - Mate you must be dreamin.
Like Siltech I have some pretty good gear - Hegel H160 Amp, Usher Diamond X Speakers & Pono with balanced mode. To have my son's friend come around to visit while Derek & the Dominos is playing and having him listen along uttering 'sweet' without me saying anything- priceless !
Check this site don't just listen to me
Come in man Pono will never reopen they took your money and are sitting back laughing thier butts off.
Payroll three months thier is nobody to pay no employees no music no comunication no nothing!
Fingers Crossed. Cool
@Siltech, understand your thinking. Wouldn't give up yet. I firmly believe the PonoMusic Store will be back. Why keep the forums, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram all running if they aren't going to return? What does that gain them? At best, Pono has very little physical stock to clear out. Some PonoPlayers and T shirts. No company would spend 3 months liquidating that. The payroll would cost more than it is worth. PonoMusic is coming back. I am betting on it.
Well its quite obvious that the Clown Executive Officer was going to screw all of the project backers so sad that he was more interested in ripping us off than delivering his promise. fortunately i have most everything in the line of Music i want and as most of the music in the past 10 or so is not really music anyhow or so it seems then i wont miss it.
the pono site was just a way to milk more money out of people.
sounds like you have a real nice system and hope you find a source for your music that makes you happy. i find that their is still a lot of hi res music on the internet check out the internet archive. many groups you may not recognize the names but quite good if you get a chance check it out.
As far as Neil i wouldn't buy a thing from him. hope he ends up homeless and ends up living in a gutter.
nobody is even buying Pono on Ebay what a waste
@Doug. Let be realistic. Someone takes over three months ago, and no more info. I'm 99% convinced, Pono download site is done. I can still copy CDs and transfer to Pono. So now my Pono basically is a CD player. Very Depressing. I'm patient, but realistically is Over. No company would do this, and not inform customers. No Delays, Gone. Anyway, take care. Siltech
Can someone on the Pono management team, contact Neil Young and ask him if the down site is permanent. I think is may be done. Thanks. Siltech
@Siltech moving even higher up the Wilson ladder. That is impressive. Love the red finish! Enjoy the music!
Glad you are still playing the PonoPlayer. Bet the Bryston will be great sounding. Once you get all this equipment hooked up, don't forget to let us know how it sounds.
No idea when the Pono store will reopen. Should be soon. I definitely need some new hi res albums.
I'm switching the Wilson Sabrina for the new Wilson Yvette speakers. Why, because they are full range, higher end drivers, S material, more X material, no HDF board, and cost more. I'll switch with dealer, when they come in a month. I ordered them today in Titan Red. Pono should sound dandy on these. The Sabrina blows away my old Guarneri mementos. The Yvette with 20 to 20k response should sound incredible. The Yvette's are the replacements for the Sophia 3. Also, I'm still waiting for my Bryston BCD-3, which I ordered a couple months ago. I think there waiting till the Taves audio show, coming at the end of this month. Long Live Pono. Siltech
I exercise the Pono player a lot, and sounds incredible. Is the new site opening soon, or again. Take Care.
Great looking speakers @Siltech. Bet they sound fabulous. You will have to listen to all your music again. So many new things to hear with the new equipment.
Don't forget to exercise the PonoPlayer once in awhile.
My New Wilson Sabrina. They are one week old, and I may be upgrading to Wilson Yvette Speakers. Can't get enough. Below is a picture of my Wilson Sabrina.
Open below link.
Glad to hear it @Siltech. Just wait until they break in all the way! Enjoy.
@ Doug Adams
I received my new Wilson Sabrina yesterday, and they sound incredible. The sound more richer, full, 3D, depth, soundstage, natural, more bass, efficiency, and effortless than my Sonus Faber Guarneri Mementos. This is out of box. I can't wait when there fully broken in. ( 200-300 hrs. )
@siltech, wow. That will be some sound quality. What will be the 1st music you play?
PonoMusic store will reopen. Just taking a little longer. Neil and Phil Baker both posted explanations yesterday.
Rocky Mountain Way perhaps Pono is dropping the black ( don't think it is as popular as the yellow). They might bring out a new color. There was a blue prototype once. It is seen in some early ads.
Might have been Apple, Spotify, or someone else. 7D isn't heavy into hi res. You are looking at their inventory. Pono has their own inventory. My understanding is 7D stores and distributes Pono's music. It is taking Pono longer than they expected to handle the transition.
It will happen.
Is Pono ever going to reopen?
Also, I'm suppose to be getting my new Wilson Sabrina, in Titan Red this week. Cheers. Siltech
Worrying times for Pono. I note there are no longer Pono players for sale on the website and Amazon is selling out of the black players. Will they be replaced?
I love my Pono player and I really hope it can succeed. I have probably spend $K15 on top end equipment for 2 systems ( Hegel Amp, Usher Diamond X Speakers) and the sound is jaw dropping. Everyone who hears it comments on how great it sounds.
I believe the Pono edge is with the balanced cables.
I was never able to access the music purchases site but suspect the original provider was bought out by Apple. Think about it. They don't want anyone questioning music quality and want to sell their wireless headphones.
Pay the $20 million or whatever and cut Pono off at the knees.
Pono has been totally shafted by a globally dominant player where the buck is the only song playing.
There is a whole generation of music listeners who don't even know that music comes in different quality. Plus they don't want to pay for music or movies.
Rent them poor quality music and make them pay forever.
The next target will be the CD and vinyl factories. It is more than possible.
The 7Digital website doesn't seem to have much HiRes and the Pono construction site no longer mentions them as the new partner.
The breakthrough for the Pono site will not come until they are able to sell music globally as this is the only way they will achieve a viable critical mass of sales.
We all really hope Pono can make it.
On Tuesday, September 13 AXS TV will air the season premiere of The Big Interview, a news program hosted by Dan Rather. Iconic singer-songwriter Neil Young will be featured on the first episode of the upcoming season.
Neil’s candid chat with Dan Rather includes talk of his most recent album Earth, Young’s Pono digital music system, his childhood bout with polio, his thoughts on Prince’s death and the role drugs and drug companies played in it. Young also discusses his time with Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young as well as his current band, Promise Of The Real.
Love that Neil is doing this and wearing a Pono shirt.
I'm open to any brand for turntable. Have to find that Synergy.
@siltech, I have little doubt the Wilson will be better sounding. That is Dave Wilsons expertise. Has been since he wrote for HP at The Absolute Sound, many years ago. You will love them. Red? Wow, that should be spectcular.
Bryson turntable or something else?
Two different dealers, Bryston a month and Wilson 3 weeks. Your correct, Sonus Faber makes incredible looking speakers. Bottom line, I'm going with sound this time. The Wilson Sabrina, in my Titan Red colour look pretty good. With these speakers I don't need the separate powered sub I was using with my Sonus Faber. I'm now looking to add a turntable to the mix. Thanks, and take care. Siltech
@siltech how long will delivery take.
That is exciting news @siltech. I am sure the Wilson won't disappoint sound wise, but Sonus Faber sure has made some beautiful speakers to look at. I will pick sound every time! Wilsons are amazing sounding. Bryston should be super! Enjoy.
Just sold my Krell Chipher, and Sonus Faber Guarneri Mementos. I just purchased new Bryston BCD-3 player and new Wilson Audio Sabrina speakers. I'm waiting for delivery of the Bryson and Wilson. Cool. Siltech
@siltech, when Pono first opened they they had to set up just the US store. That took a month maybe longer. The Canadian store came about a year later. Now Pono has to set up the US and Canadian stores. Plus there is a lot more music than in the beginning. They also added a bunch of indie labels and artists. They are also making improvements to the store. It could be awhile yet.
@siltech new site is on the way. Just don't know when it will open. This was a big job when they originally opened. Now they have even more music to load. Plus two stores!
Is the new site coming, and when?
@siltech, the M&J do one thing more than any headphone I have heard. They have a huge soundstage. It is almost like not wearing headphones. It is amazing. It is out of the head sounding.
Frequency response is very smooth, especially in the high frequencies. My Sennheiser HD600 have less refined highs. M&J have less distortion in highs - like comparing a Pass amp to standard transistor amp.
The M&J have a very linear frequency response - but it isn't flat. The bass is a little pumped up, midrange is more center of the concert hall, highs are even with midrange.
These phones have to be played a week or two to break in. Break in made more difference on these earphones than any I have heard. At first they were very raspy in the highs and the bass had an annoying 1 note droning sound. The PonoPlayer really struggled to play them. There was no decay to instruments. Sounded like 1980's digital.
After almost 2 weeks hooked to a Nakamichi receiver (designed by Nelson Pass) they sound great. There are two areas the Sennheiser HD600 win. 1. The HD600 are more pinpoint focused. The M&J are a little more diffused sounding with a much larger soundstage bloom and "floaty" highs. They are kings at sound decay. 2. Instruments are more forward on the HD600 and have a little more color. The M&J sound a little more greyish. To be fair the M&J are closed back while the Sennheiser are open. Usually open performs best, but everyone hears your music and you hear everyone in the room.
I don't know any headphone for $200 that can do what the M&J do. With break in they sound great on the PonoPlayer. I do wish they were balanced. Not even sure they can be modified for balanced mode. They have a transformer in both earcups that might rule out balanced modifications. Hope this helps.
I may get something with AKM Dacs, ie- 4490, 4495, or latest 4497. These seem to be the premiere Dacs out there. Still, 9018 in Pono is great. Cheers.
Hi Doug, I just read your views on the GL2 headphones. This is the first time I heard about them. I see them. In your opinion, are they worth buying for $215.00, includes delivery on line?
I just sold my Krell Cipher player. The synergy just wasn't there with my new Pass Labs. Not sure what'll replace it. Long Live Pono. Siltech
Listening to the PonoPlayer with the new Mitchell & Johnson Electrostatz GL2 hybrid headphones. They feature both an electret mid and high frequency transducer and a 40mm dynamic bass driver in each earcup. No external amp or adapter box required. There is a transformer in each ear cup.
These sound really nice on the PonoPlayer. Very balanced and natural tonal balance.
Thank you @Doug Adams ;-)
@Doug Adams: I missed Graham Nash's post on the Pono Forum (and I actually did not even know he was a member). If you can find some time to tag me on the said post, I'd really appreciate it ;-)
Listening to Graham Nash - This Path Tonight on the PonoPlayer. Graham's comments on Pono forums about current digital were interesting. He recorded This Path Tonight in digital and said it now sounds warmer like analog. Science has made progress with digital sound quality. PonoPlayer is sounding great.
Hello @kingsley Burton. What is it you are waiting to receive? We need more details. Don't see posts from you in March or June.
This is my third message checking in and wanted to let you know that I haven't received anything yet. My previous messages were in March and early June. Can you advise me of the status please? Cheers
E. MICHAEL SHINE, did you get the problems solved?
Thanks Doug!. I found a Pono retail store in Verona ,NJ., that may be able to fix my issues. I'll see what they can do and let you know. Appreciate your time !!!!!!!, Michael.
@E Michael Shine sorry you are having trouble. Did you ever get the firmware updated for PMW? New update may not be as big a deal as Pono makes it sound. One of the community members mentioned he used older versions of PMW long after the expiration date with no problems. There is a glitch with the newe update. The blue icon spins all the time. There will be a new update to fix it.
Saw that you posted in the community. They should get you going. You might have to totally remove PMW from your computer. Then reload it.
Also see your PonoPlayer has an older firmware. Mine wouldn't update at all. Finally Eggert, Dougie, Slimpants, and others got it to upgrade to "5". Eggert had the firmware update on another site. Later on the PonoPlayer updated to "6" without a hitch using PMW.
Hope you get every thing straightened out soon.
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