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@Siltech all I know reqarding Xstream is Neil has placed his music and other archival things there. Received a follow up email from Brio with home computer network set up help. Imagine this aspect is close to beginning. Other artist are supposed to launch later.
What's going on with Xstream streaming? WAITING STILL.
I'm certain Bluetooth can't stream Hi Rez resolution music. It's format isn't capable. Therefore, Pono will sound way better. This is assuming car has mini jack input, and stereo is fairly good. In my car I have HD radio, Sirius XM Satellite radio, Pono via minijack, and use Bluetooth streaming with iPhone Music App. Siltech
@ Rocky Mountain Way. So many better hi-res options out there (that stream, bluetooth, much better UI while in car) than Pono.
My wife has just bought a new car. No CD Player. What to do but buy her a Pono player of her own. Surfcables.com have black only left if anyone is looking . Otherwise it's second hand only on Amazon.
@Henrik Hammer it could go on ebay, but that doesn't necessarily target the right buyers. You could offer it on the official Pono community site. There is also a group on Facebook called Pono For Music Lovers. Last two groups are dedicated Pono lovers.
Fellow backers :-D
Though I find the PonoPlayer an awesome piece of fine crafted work - I haven't really used mine. I got the Metallica chrome limited edition, and are interested in selling it. What or where would be the best place to put it op for sale? Anyone here interested?
@TMH I believe a different name will be used. If Ayre brings it out, they will most likely use their name. The Ayre name has a better reputation than Pono.
Haven't seen very many good reviews of Chinese DAPs. Most of the people I have seen comparing their PonoPlayer to them seem to be unimpressed with the sonics. They use their Chinese DAP for things they don't want to subject the PonoPlayer too. Like mowing the lawn etc.
Until the Chinese get serious and stop using opamps they will never attain the sonic quality of a PonoPlayer. That isn't even considering the special non ringing digital filter, etc. The Chinese are kings at low price, entry level equipment. They haven't risen above that very often in highend home or portable electronics. That includes, perhaps to a lesser degree earphones. Perhaps in the future.
(Cont) with better UI and form factor
These things can be picked up for $200 or less on alibaba
I think that, and great quality, cheap Chinese iems are the future for hi Res
I get ya Doug. But I think the Pono name has a stink about it now (like Zune) the technology may reappear. But not the name
I backed a once reputable Kickstarter name for IEMs and with continued delays and lies their reputation is in tatters. But in following their thread on head fi what I have seen is a world of cheap, chi-fi daps that appear to have flooded the market. And some of these users are Pono backers who say these cheap Chinese daps are as good in sound quality as Pono,
@Aaron M Williams sorry you are having trouble. Two suggestions.
1. Forget the PonoVault program. It is buggy and will never be updated. Download JRiver Media. It is the program that PonoMusic World was based on minus the handling of video. There are skin choices that make it look very, very close to the Pono. There is a 30 day free trial.
2. Forget PonoVault and all other programs. I have never used any Pono program to move music from computer to PonoPlayer. Sideload! Hook the PonoPlayer to your computer. It and the memory card will show up as 2 seperate drives. Just copy/paste your music from the computer to PonoPlayer. It is easy and faster!
@TMH I always try to be positive. Believe we will see the PonoPlayer circuitry again. Ayre sold a lot of their Codex headphone amp/dacs to PonoPlayer owners. The player introduced a lot of people into highend sound. There is no stopping the truth. Now more people know there is better sound than a cell phone with cheap, throw away earbuds.
The PonoPlayer easily achieved something that highend stereo systems struggle with. A beginner can fill a PonoPlayer with hi res files, add some decent earphones, and get incredible sound quality. It is almost impossible to screw up the sound. On the other hand highend stereo systems require lots of set up to achieve amazing sound. Proper speaker placement, proper speaker wiring - not out of phase, and on and on. Beginners rarely get it all correct. They miss the first aha moment.
I will ask here since i get answers nowhere else:
the new pono software just hangs when it searches for music. Does anyone have a fix for this? I like my player, but since the new software i just have a paperweight, and its getting extremely frustrating...
Doug. I love your optimism!
Rocky Mountain Way congrats on the new PonoPlayer! Never hurts to have extras. I have 2 and a third might be a possibility.
Still wouldn't be surprised to see a new PonoPlayer one day under the Ayre name.
I think Mag Lev is considering given us a better tonearm and cartridge for no extra money. Below is a part I copied and pasted here from Mags last update.
From Mag--As you all know, we have mechanisms connected to our tonearm, but are seriously considering of giving you guys a better quality tonearm to begin with as well as a better cartridge. The specifics are yet to be determined with our suppliers.
Can't wait for the Mag Lev turntable.
Siltech - Win Win!
My new black Pono is now all loaded and ready to go. I have just ordered some more balanced cables from surfcables.com. They are in limited supply so I thought I would just future proof my options as they won't be making any more.
It looks like our MagLev turntable will have the option of an arm and cartridge upgrade - Perfect.
I have just scored an original LP of 'Get yer ya-ya's out' - the CD was a compressed remaster & sounded terrible so the LP is the only way to go for this one.
I just bought another new black Pono player. This one I'm going to use in my new BMW X1. I bought the last one the store had, and my cost was only $262 USD.
I'm still using my limited edition Pono player on home unit in XLR balanced mode. Siltech
Congrats @Rocky Mountain Way. There are so many counterfeit cards!!! I keep getting ads for a place offering a 512GB mSD card for only $59.95. But wait I also get w free 64GB card. What a crock. Be careful everyone.
The Micro SD problem solved! 4 counterfeit disks ! What fooled me was that the computer read it as high capacity when it wasn't there.
I used a SanDisk Extreme Pro which was really fast to load.
Thanks for all your help.
@TMH. Firewalled? is it a P2P? can you default for d/l only?
these weren't even my concerns, initially. was mainly put off by the unsecured site for c/c transaction to pay for premium d/l speed. but an unsecured P2P site is far worse. I'd say you have been very lucky. so far.
I wonder how much of the 6 million went up Neil Young's nose?
Herb Hesse. Agree it is not secure. I just make sure it is firewalled. But I can tell you all the stuff I have got is virus free and awesome. Yes, it appears to good to be true (and if you don't pay to be a member of datashare it can take a long time to download the rat files) but so far I have had no problems
@Rocky ∈ http://www.filehungry.com/product/windows_software/utilities/file_manager/crystaldiskinfo_portable/
also btw.....Datafile.com as recommended by user @ TMH in an earlier post http://24bit.pw/ IS NOT A SECURE SITE. Buyer Beware. Just Say'n. If it looks too good to be true.......
btw - you should NOT have to format/re-format newer (larger) micro sd cards. +32 gb are all exfat by default.
@Rocky Mountain Way: you did not mention the flava (manufacturer of the micro sd card?) If they are Sandisk they are warrantied, FOR LIFE. as Doug mentioned there are ALOT of counterfeits out there, so be prepared to jump thru hoops @ Sandisk to verify. BUT, I can tell you from experience they stand behind their product. I've had 2 separate 200 gb card fails. similar scenarios. turnaround time is approx 3wks, depending on how quickly you/they respond. biggest P.I.T.A. (to me) was re-loading cards. good luck.
@Rocky Mountain Way, wow. Never had any problems side loading. I'm no computer expert. Have a few ideas.
1. Have you formatted the mSD card with the official SD Association format tool? There are security features that must be retained for the card to work properly. https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
2. Have you tried doing the sideload in smaller than 50gb steps? I usually do an album at a time.
3. Did the cards ever work properly? There are a lot of fake hi capacity cards. Counterfeits are every where.
4. You aren't using PonoMusic World, PonoMusic Vault, or any other proprietary program for side loading ?
I just did a new 64gb card. Wanted one for super sound quality so all albums were hi res and in WAV. Used W7 i5 Dell laptop. Used a mSD card adapter into SD slot. Some albums came from laptop's internal hard drive. Most from external hard drives. Took less than 4 hours to make card. Could have been a little quicker if I weren't futzing around to make sure I didn't have same song on PonoPlayer's internal memory. I always leave 10% memory blank. It is supoosed to help computer and Pono work properly.
If none of this works try the Pono community . Also Computer Audiophile or AudioAsylum forums.
Let us know what works,
I am having real issues side loading my FLAC files onto a MicroSD card. I thought it was a Pono issue but the same happens without Pono.
I have 2 computers Mac OSX 10.11.6 & Windows 7.
128GB Micro SD Card - Format exFAT.
I adjusted both computer settings so that they never sleep.
MAC: Files on USB Stick . Insert Micro SD via adaptor & Copy & paste 50GB file - takes 12 hours.
Then I immediately copy & paste file to desktop from SD File. 50GB.
The SD file only has 30GB of data - All the albums are there but for 2/3 of them opening the album shows there are no songs. I have tried copying and pasting missing songs from 1 album and it worked. Then I remove the SD card from the computer and re-insert. Now there is 10GB of data and it will not allow me to copy & paste any more songs. Reinserting the SD card again and it is on longer recognised by the computer.
PC: Same as the Mac. I have tried cmd & chkdsk d/f but no joy. Recovery software is to recover the data to a different device, not the same one. The PC recognised the SD card in the drive but access is now denied.
I can reformat the disk .All the data is now lost. Repeat the process and same result. I have tried numerous cards ( 64 GB & 128GB )and 2 computers.
I am now totally lost . Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
@Neil Young, I like $ money ;) if you have a moment you may want to search eBay under "Pono player" you will arrive on listings with no buyers / when you do a deeper search on "items sold" you will find the Pono player selling for pennies on the dollar ... Seems to me you have still have some inventory of Pono players ( psssst ya know releasing the OS will only boost the Pono Player VALUE$ since releasing the OS will immediately create a entirely New Market of tinkering programming coders hungry to best each other faster than shit through a goose ;) Ju$t $saying ...
@Doug Adams - wonder full of info comment Mahalo for your take on open OS. After posting it was apparent to me than this "StreamingHigh" is almost the paradigm of early "Transistor Radios" everyone had to have one & everyone did just that !!! This Pono Player has limitations - I'll grant you that hands down - interesting to read your comments here since all your comments would advance ( should open OS release gifted to every one ) & yes the Pono is headed in the right direction to become the Classic Neil Young paperweight / door-stop !!! I can not help but think "the time is now" to release the OS if for no other reason than Neil's support of the community "he" started here Aloha ;)
@TravisStyle you are probably correct about a portable being the streaming solution. Don't see how providing the PonoPlayer OS helps. The Pono has no wi fi or Bluetooth receiver built in. It might be possible to hook something through the USB, but I think that requires the Pono to have a renderer built in. Don't think it has one.
Playing with the OS might bring us all kind of new features. But they have to be things the unit is physically able to do. All the OS updates in the world can't turn a laptop into a farm tractor.
I would love to add lower volume settings and the ability to play from a portable external hard drive to the Pono. Volume settings are possible according to Charles Hansen. Think we need a renderer for hard drive playback. Would also love a very precise EQ for fixing headphone faults. + - half a db at 20 - 40khz. No idea if the Sabre dac chip can do EQ. The Pono analog section can't.
So in answer to "Why release to Pono Player OS NOW?" I am of the opinion the ONLY viable "cash flow to the MAX" delivery system to deliver High Rez Streaming & the one to beat will be FREAKING PORTABLE PLAYER ! ! !
Study Chapter 5 & 6; Oh and outline the subtext in Chapter 7 because there will be a Quiz next week! No I am not telling you the day of the QUIZ ! Just be ready for it !!!
Pono Community Aloha from Kona HI ;)
Would it be "short-sighted" to hold onto the Pono Player OS? Ya know this is a really good question & thinking about where Mr NY is heading "downstream" from the original kickstarter offering here; can't help but think Mr NY found kickstarter to be the viable new venture capital tool he had been seeking for years and as the Pono Player is a "proven platform" now or at the very least and viable test bed when looking for better ways to deliver on his newest venture; down-streaming... why isn't the Pono Player still in (pardon the pun) PLAY? OK so will the OS remain locked in some old Nike shoebox with old stinky socks and busted laces which Mr NY will simply throw away along with his Pono Player dream?
I believe when it comes to the "unique" delivery of his latest streaming dream (it ain't wet yet) which he seems just as dedicated to now as he was when he launched the kickstarter Pono Music Player here and not offering the Pono Player OS as simply some super-ego-interrupt-us or passing over the golden opportunity now to make available his Pono OS to the collective open source community & inviting a good hacking of the Pono Player to the MAX as yet another "test-bed" platform; the better play !
Now here is where it gets interesting, at least the potential looks interesting enough to call for the Pono Player OS release;
(1) Adaptive Bluetooth technology (plug-in) has a wider bandwidth than a few years back.
(2) The Pono Player is already setup to process the high-razz REZ.
(3) The streaming REZ pie-up-in-da-sky promise to deliver in real time; ya think? - however without a viable test-bed platform [ well da thing won't really get the traction necessary to catch on & generate the cash flow to do any better than Pono Music did... ]
In my heart you know I am right Mr NY. A word of hindsight advice here from the guy who gave his entire company to his employees after they dedicated themselves to making him a success "STACK THE ODDS IN YOUR FAVOR" from Bob's Red Mill ! Aloha
Jerry ... You're a class act dude or dude-et Aloha
open source would bring life to the Pono and if the Clown Executive Officer Young cared about Pono he would put the code out now. But bottom line is that putting out the code does not get him any money and that is all he care about its never been about the music its only been how can an old washed up musician that nobody cares for anymore get more money.
i still have several of the original PJB-100's that Compaq computer introduced it had several limitations that open sourcing worked out limited to mp3's at320kbbit rate and software that needs xp to use
but it still plays and sounds good and easier to use that the pono doorstop
Think pono community... Neil should welcome & invite the original Neil Young Pono Player gaining some new updated reputation of "HackenPono" contribution to the open source community. What has he got to loose here ? So I ask you ? Has the OS or "source code" to power the pono player been released yet?
Steal it if you have to only "Release The Kracken" Release the Code pono
Long Live Pono
( in whatever "who knew?" form that new life may take ;)
Not my accomplishment ( all of those future coders ideas ) hell this thing could be completely unknown if only ? Just saying GitHub Aloha
@TravisStyle, so you get the codes. What do you hope to accomplish?
Charles Hansen said more volume settings could be added on the lower end of the scale. That would be nice for IEM users.
Mr Young, you have butt ... Excuse me let me start this over again... You have but one very wonderful inspired option ( if this has already been done than Emile Latella ) kindly drop off the source code so the open community's band of future pono lovers can redesign the pono's software as open source ( ops did I do that moment ? Or gosh someone stole the code !!! Or I know I put that code stuff some software Aloha folks it's been downhill from the very first days we all met here on slick-starter ... Yours truly the humble Travis ;)
Download the Chrome extension Hola VPN . It tells Hdtracks that you are from the US and they are happy to take your money. As posted by Doug previously NY Hi Res is available to us all from the NY website much cheaper.
The end is nigh
I get all that, Ever since i got my ponos I have downloaded all my music from other sites, because being in Australia NO-ONE sells me hi-res music, whether i want to pay or not, and they wonder why piracy flourishers..............
Service may appear available, but it wont last (and i would say will fall off a cliff now Time of Death has been called)
Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my ponos as a player, but they wont last forever, I commented below i saw three in a japanese store last week and the owner said they had been there for years wiht no interest. This is a Beta VCR now.
I will keep it going, but there are equally good players out there (and product of the year doesn't necessarily mean that much). I have used Astell and Kern and their sound is just as good, and my friends sony was amazing. Even my oppo HA2 Dac/Amp that attaches to my phone is awesome, and all of them are easier to use than the pono. I do love the toblerone shape and see through electronics though.
This site is worth checking out for those geo-blocked from the hi-res stores
You can download from many sites, transfer to micro sd card to play on Pono. Now as Doug mentioned, service appears available, if needed. It may be a little annoying getting the music on the Pono player, but the sonics are 2nd to none. Voted and named "Product Of The Year" by Stereophile. I love Sony but doubt the sonics will be anywhere Pono player. Pono and Ayre together, make Sonic Bliss, and all the nayers no it. If your not happy and think Sony is sonically better, then why not sell your player.
DOUG, YOUR THE BEST.
Pono downloading still lives! From Phil Baker on the official Pono community:
Phil Baker (PonoMusic)
Just wanted to add a couple of comments based on some of the responses. The Xstream service includes the ability to buy hi-res downloads. And service for players continues to be available by contacting me at email@example.com. Thanks.
I have nothing against him for closing it all down, as some of us have said for a while it has been dead for quite some time (some may say DOA), but it is not apples fault, and his hypocrisy in jumping back into the iTunes Store and other Low res formats is breathtaking
Apple didn't invent MP3s as suggested above. And Pono/omniPhone was so insignificant to apples operation to suggest they bought it just to eliminate the competition is crazy. They bought the tech out of insolvency as that is what tech companies do
There is probably more credence in what the Jriver guy said, that NY trying to put lipstick on the pig. And it used to really piss me off having to reinstall the pono software every few months, but clearly that was a very strategic move on jRivers part so bravo
I will continue to use my ponos until they die, and will buy something better. My friend just bought the new Sony player. Great machine, balanced out, solid amplification, user friendly UI and great sound. Pono was a stepping stone
No PoNo For You! @siltech
Take care Herb Hesse, or should I say JERRYYYYYYY