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I saw Bruce last week in Sydney. Still amazing!! Enjoy
Whatever happens it has been a great journey. Some of us were not allowed into the kingdom of heaven anyway.
I only have two Hi-Res albums which came with the Pono - it seems to me the sound is softer. As Neil said at the start, the quality of the original recording is the most significant and it would be hard to improve on the sound I get with 44/16 recordings on the Pono with balanced mode - or if I feel the need to spend an extra $30 to achieve it.
I mainly listen to 60's & 70's rock - modern recordings like Blue & Lonesone are certainly much louder - recorded to maximise the sound for low quality listening devices.
We bought in for the player and the store concept only came later. A business model where most of the market don't care about quality and don't want to pay anything is a hard ask.
The sound from the Pono is something to enjoy - better only by the live concert.
I'm off to see Bruce Springsteen in a week - it's a perfect summer!
I still maintain the death knell will be in march. The new software was a stopgap as the Jriver licence had run out its all over bar the time of death
Sad really, I had the pono out playing this week and the soundly is a thing of beauty. The shape, UI and screen quality not so much
No idea when we will have a new download store, Siltech. Pono wants to start the streaming store first. Hope it is soon.
When can we buy downloads for pono?
Siltech, I'm jealous. Minutes would be so nice. Price I pay for living in the woods.
I can download a hi Rez album in minutes.
Siltech, I don't know what my internet speed is. It is fast compared to dial up, but still fast. Just don't think DSL is very quick. To download a 24/96 album it is normally about 3 hours. The plus of PonoMusic was a drop didn't mean starting the whole album over. I had that trouble with BandCamp. Took 5 or 6 times to get a complete album.
Correction - my upload speed isn't 10, but 20 Mbps with 250 Mbps download. Siltech
Cool. What's your broadband speed? My download speed is 250 Mbps with upload speed of 10 Mbps. We can go up to 1 Gbps with upload speed of 50 Mbps. Your setup has to be compatible on a AC router, too access these speeds.
Can't wait for my Mag Lev Turntable in black with gold feet.
Ha ha Siltech, you have lots of Siltech wire in your system. I missed all of it on your previous post. Thanks for the clarification. A fine set up.
Haven't done any streaming. My Oppo has a firmware update to make MQA possible. Living in the boonies limits my broad band speed so much. I doubt it is possible to stream hi res. Might try the free demo at a later date.
You have awhile before the Mag Lev arrives. Have patience.
Touch and open below link.
This is the same on previous post.
MQA now from Tidal streaming on desktop and MQA Certified Dac. As of now, they have over 30.000 tracks, and growing. This format may soon hurt a lot of companies. HI REZ STREAMING. Check It Out -
Mag Lev will be August or September 2017.
I mentioned my cables, along time ago on this form. I have a PS Audio AC12 plug into 20 amp dedicated line. The dedicated line cable to fuse panel is 8 gauge Cardas. Output of P10 to Pass Labs INT-60 connected via Siltech Royal Signature Ruby Mountain II power cable, output of P10 to Bryston BCD-3 connected via Siltech Royal Signature Ruby Hill II power cable, Bryston BCD-3 connected to Pass Labs INT-60 via Siltech Royal Signature Princess interconnect XLR to XLR, P10 output to Pono Player connected via Cardas Parsec interconnect two mini to XLR cables fully balanced, and output of Pass Labs INT-60 connected via Siltech Royal Signature Prince speaker cable-spade to spade to Wilson Audio Yvette speakers. Siltech
Siltech, guess you saw Sprint bought 33% of Tidal? That will be interesting to watch. Keep us updated on your Tidal experiences.
The Pass/Bryston/Wilson combo has to sound great. Killer equipment. How long do you have to wait for the Mag Lev turntable? Can't help noticing you didn't mention any Siltech cabling?
Great New Year to you!
I'm trying the Tidal HD audio, 16/24 uncompressed. It's a free 30 day trial period. I'm streaming Tidal from my iPhone, via Bluetooth to Marshall Acton powered amp. I'm blowed away. I can't believe this inexpensive setup sounds this good. I tried hard wire connecting Tidal output of iPhone ( using iPhone internal dac ), via iPhone mini jack to RCA plugs to Pass Labs. It sounds okay, but my mini to RCA cable isn't very good. If I decide to keep Tidal steaming, I'll definitely have to upgrade my mini to RCA plugs cable. Maybe a Cardas Parsec cable, as on my Pono. The cable for Tidal won't be balanced like on Pono, but RCA connectors.
I'm still breaking in my new Byston BCD-3 source player. So far it's sound is very impressive.
HAPPY NEW YEAR, MATE. Siltech
Just to be clear on this the Pono Vault only plays music that you bought from the Pono Site.
What is the point other than the clueless Clown Executive Orifice Neil's feeble attempt to get suckers to give him more money.
Glad i didn't install it and never installed PMW either.
using winamp for my music player works great and plays anything you throw at it. Rip great as well.
good thing the world has Lemmings what would Neil do without them.
@Robert Ryan, not sure there are screen shots. Magic_Randy does tell how to do what you want. Make sure you have the newest version of JRMC.
https://www.ponomusic.com/0D515000021aFXj if you have questions ask in this thread.
Good luck. Don't letthis get you down.
Would you mind posting the link to the jriver tutorial with the screen shots? I was unable to find it. Thanks very much.
Thank you, Doug, but it is not enough for me. I've been playing with it for a while today. It started downloading all the music on my pc automatically. I stopped it and tried again but could not find just the pono material in my files. I am seriously not good at these things. At least I used to be able to call Pono, when they picked up their phone, and have someone walk me through things. Now I don't think I even have that since I'm trying to work with the jriver program. The least they could have done was leave my library so I could rip cds to the player and download stuff from HD Tracks. Very disappointed.
@Robrrt Ryan, here you go: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,108680.msg752634.html#msg752634
Don't give up. You will be back to listening soon. "Same as it always was" - The Talking Heads. Hang in there.
@Robert Ryan, just download the JRiver Media program. It is a parent version of PMW. It works the same way. There are even different looks to pick. One is so close to PMW that many can't tell them apart.
Your PMW has been automatically updating itself the whole time you have used it. All of this will transition automatically into JRiver with a couple clicks. Do you visit the main Pono site forums? If so JRiver has posted an easy to follow tutorial (with screen shots) to do this. Also member Magic_Randy has been helping people. They can have you back to normal in minutes. Don't panic.
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate the help. I will probably try to work with jriver.
I think I am about done with Pono. I like the sound of the player but at what cost in money and time? I'm not a computer guy and I'm not keen on working through all these things. It's not fun for me. It's ridiculous that PMV can't play other hi res music and can't accommodate ripping cds. I had something that worked fine for me (after a not insignificant amount of time spent) and now I can't even access that. I'm tempted to call it a day and just use the player with the songs I have on it now.
@Siltech, I downloaded Pono Music Vault. It works to just play Pono bought music on the computer. It isn't able to play other hi res music yet.
PMV also won't do many of the other things PMW did. CD ripping isn't working correctly. This will be fixed. Don't know if it will ever be able to do format conversions. It is designed to be easier and simpler than PMW/JRiver Media.
@robert Ryan, all your PonoMusic Store downloaded music will be in a Pono folder. If you download JRiver Media there is a way to turn off auto import. This stops everything from being imported. Then you can point at the Pono folder and only that will be imported. I haven't done this with JRiver so can't tell the exact steps. There is a thread that shows how on ponomusic.com forums. I did do this with the new PonoMusic Vault and it worked fine.
What's the easiest way for me to get all my pono music in one place the same way that it was on pono music world? Do I have to individually select and move it into the new program? I've got thousands of songs on my pc. Most are in lower than cd quality, so I don't want to put those in the new pono program. And I'm not sure that I can differentiate between the 2 easily. If I install the new software will it automatically pull in what I had before?
Doug, what did you do?
If Pono Vault beta isn't your cup of tea, download the 30 day free JRiver Media (PMW was based on it). With the MYLITTLEPONY code it can be bought for $38. Anyway, the saved PMW data will load into JRiver. Playlists, everything.
Happy New Year to everyone.
Cat Has 9 Lives
I am guessing the Jriver licence expires on 31/12 and it was cheaper for them to pull together their own
I still think this is a dead cat bounce.
Pono vault? Really pono? How innovative...
PonoMusic Vault is now open!
A message from their site:
Randy Leasure (PonoMusic) (originally posted by Randy Leasure (PonoMusic))
Aloha! Pono is pleased to announce PonoMusic Vault, our own internally developed desktop software that's an upgrade over the JRiver software that has been previously available. PonoMusic Vault is absolutely free and will never expire. This software is what you need to manage your digital music library with rich features such as Playlist Creation, CD Ripping, Tag Editing and more!
Why did we develop Pono Vault? Because many of our users (as well as us) found the previous software to be difficult to use, and a challenge to our goal of making access to and listening to music easy for everyone. It served its purpose while we developed our own, and you can still purchase the product from JRiver if you want nothing else.
Our software, support, and quality teams spent weeks pouring over all of the feedback and support requests that came in, and, based on that information, set out to develop a product that would provide the necessary capabilities with a much improved user interface. After nearly a year of effort we are happy to announce its availability.
We are excited to be releasing a Beta version of PonoMusic Vault today. Follow the instructions below to download your free copy and get started with this improved experience. We have prepared a video tutorial and a list of answers to anticipated questions.
Because this is a Beta, we will be reviewing all of the tickets you submit, but may not get back to you on each one unless there are specific questions. You should assume that all feedback is being read and being addressed.
You can download PonoMusic Vault here:
Check out the video tutorials here:
We welcome your feedback and experience. Please let us know by clicking here: https://www.ponomusic.com/contactus and don’t forget to include your operating system and browser information.
Thanks to all of you for your support.
Mahalo, The PonoMusic Team
Mac: OS X 10.9 and higher
Windows: Windows Vista and higher
*The current version of PonoMusic World times out on 12/31/16.
@Rocky Mountain Way watch the video. Neil says they want to offer streaming and hi res downloading. Not move away from hi res downloading as this article insinuates.
From a Rolling Stone article :
The Future of Pono
Young is hoping to pivot his high-res music company – which had been focused on its Toblerone-shaped player and a download store – toward a hi-res streaming service. "We're pushing towards getting a presence in phones," says Young (though iPhones' internal chips are not currently compatible with higher-than-CD-quality sound). He's working with a Singaporean company on a method to "maintain our quality level when we go to streaming."
Sounds good Doug.
The Mag Lev turntable does look awesome. Interested to see what you guys think when they arrive. My funding went to the Mitchell & Johnson Electrostatz headphone campaign on Indiegogo. Already had GL2SE. Added their top of the line M&J MJ2. More detail with even more neutral tuning.
The new Pink Floyd re-issues are outstanding, albeit from digital sources, so worth considering for those buying new turntables
Not sure on cartridge, yet. Wait and see how it sounds. Mag Lev may upgrade cartridge for us. I may order a 2nd one like yours. So Very Cool. Your welcome for the link. A new Rolling Stones box set just came out on albums. This set was meticulously done, and reviews rate it ultra high. Cheers
Siltech - I went for the woodgrain. What cartridge upgrade would you suggest?
My unplayed for 20 years albums include a mint Beatles Boxed set - pre the awful CD remasters and Bowie Rare - with a song called Amsterdam - a Jacques Brel song translated from the French-check it out on Youtube - it's haunting .
Cheers again for the link.
Anyone can pre order a Mag Lev levitation turntable on following below link. Open link and type Mag Lev in search box.
You can upgrade cartridge at any time. Cool
Rocky, cool. I got the early bird in black. LONG LIVE PONO
Congratulations @Rocky Mountain Way. Looks to be a very exciting product. Let us know what you think after you get to audition it.
I just bought a MAG-LEV turntable ! It is pure theatre and so cool and I'm sure the quality will be fine. I have quite a few vinyl records that I haven't played for years and some of them have never been issued on CD . No one will sell me Hi Res anyway ! I missed the early bird price but hey - that's rock 'n' roll.
Thanks very much for the link. I now have the Pono & the Mag-Lev grin!
And now for something completely different..
Last night I went to a Last Waltz tribute concert in Auckland NZ featuring Garth Hudson and Sister Maud Hudson with the original movie music director John Simon. What an event. The Band covers were fantastic and Garth came out for a cameo with Sister Maud and played brilliantly. He is 79 and badly crippled with arthritis - his spine is quite curved and Maud sang from a wheelchair -both with dark glasses and cool hats.
We were all in awe - so much respect for a frail living legend playing with so much passion.
This is the essence of what music is all about.
How long before the whole project shuts down Jerry? I give it to March 2017 at best
I feel sorry for the people who invested 5k into this.